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negus1
03-13-2005, 03:10 PM
Well I decided not to buy SHIII but to wait for the first patches.

Reasons:

1. Resolution (1024x768): I have a 21" monitor and 1024x768 is unbearable for my eyes.

2. UZO-bug: I have a 6800GT and can not attack with the UZO although this was the standard attack maneuver for u-boats until 1943.

3. No wolfpacks: I just read that there are no wolfpack operations in the game. However this was the attack tactics that made german u-boats that successful. A single u-boat against a whole convoy is simply ridiculous and ... not realistic.

4. No Resupply: the lack of resupply excludes big parts of the map from being accessed. I have no understanding for such a flaw.


I hope that the Devteam will solve these issues.

Muppetts
03-13-2005, 03:14 PM
You have WolfPack in Multi Player NEVER seen before and you can wait for a patch at your peril!

I intend to be as educated on course navigation and fireing solutions as soon as I can be and become a long term member of the online subsim community! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Mon Pavion
03-13-2005, 03:14 PM
First of all, you cant say for sure that there even IS a 6800GT bug. It was reported by some beta tester somewhere...sometime, you just cant say for sure until it is released.

Second, where did you read that there is no wolfpack operations? Because I remember reading the exact opposite in interviews with the dev team.

negus1
03-13-2005, 03:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGeneral_D:
First of all, you cant say for sure that there even IS a 6800GT bug. It was reported by some beta tester somewhere...sometime, you just cant say for sure until it is released.

Second, where did you read that there is no wolfpack operations? Because I remember reading the exact opposite in interviews with the dev team. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

first, the UZO-bug was admitted by the devteam (just search subsim.com a bit)

second, a few german clans have reviewed the game and noticed no other u-boats (and BdU does not reply when they report contacts).

BobV_07
03-13-2005, 03:20 PM
Well, with this sort of a thread in this forum you will be seeing a wolf pack allright, but just not in the way you would like! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
This Wed. cannot come fast enouph for me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



http://adjunct.diodon349.com/photopoint/0037/0046.jpg

stevenwhiting
03-13-2005, 03:22 PM
There is no reason not to bu it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif if you don't have the money, sell a Kidney http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Krycek1972
03-13-2005, 03:23 PM
Well the UZO bug is a driver flaw with nvidias drivers so im sure nvidia will sort that out in a new forceware release if it hasnt already been addressed in the latest ones out.

At least you have a monitor, what about people with TFT's running at 1024x768, still not confirmed if this can be over come with unsupported config file changes.

If you really dont like what you see in SH3 then sure dont buy it but I think most people here will try the game first before passing judgement.

Tomcat41
03-13-2005, 03:23 PM
honestly i could care less if you dont buy it...

your loss, not mine

Muppetts
03-13-2005, 03:38 PM
good point, if you don't want to buy it why even post on the forum??? Odd?

ashbery76
03-13-2005, 03:40 PM
No Wolfpacks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif is that for real.

Tomcat41
03-13-2005, 03:41 PM
unconfirmed...

Neal's review at subsim is due pretty soon within the next 24 hours. I'm sure that will say yes or no...

negus1
03-13-2005, 03:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muppetts:
good point, if you don't want to buy it why even post on the forum??? Odd? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

because i am interest in u-boat simulations, dude. and the devteam promised they would make a better AOD...

Antrodemus
03-13-2005, 03:42 PM
Same old, same old...

Toys... pram... out they go...

A.

ashbery76
03-13-2005, 03:44 PM
Well these are important parts of the game! once again a PC game thats been rushed out before completion.Ubi-suck.

Rockeye5
03-13-2005, 03:47 PM
If there are no wolfpacks then....well, what can be said?

Dominicrigg
03-13-2005, 03:48 PM
Cool i wondered what todays panic would be!!

Now any bets on tommorows panic?

alarmer
03-13-2005, 03:52 PM
Even if all those thing in the original post would be true I wouldnt go as far as not buying the game. Considering this is THE best subsim we have after AoD.

How old is that game, 10 years soon I guess. Every game has its flaws, none is perfect. In my mind SHIII looks more than solid to a subsimmer.

JCC2003
03-13-2005, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ashbery76:
Well these are important parts of the game! once again a PC game thats been rushed out before completion.Ubi-suck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder how much UbiSoft spends to keep these boards running so you can say things like that, instead of taking the "time" to check for yourself.

It took me all of 20 seconds to find the following...

"3. (HB73): During the dynamic campaign if we report by radio "convoy in sight" (I'm assuming we can do this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) can we expect other U-Boats to join us?
(Devteam): Convoy shadowing and radio reports were an important part of the wolfpack tactics, and this will be reflected in our game too."

Feel better now?

JCC

ashbery76
03-13-2005, 03:59 PM
No, that might have been cut to get the game out the door.

negus1
03-13-2005, 04:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JCC2003:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ashbery76:
Well these are important parts of the game! once again a PC game thats been rushed out before completion.Ubi-suck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder how much UbiSoft spends to keep these boards running so you can say things like that, instead of taking the "time" to check for yourself.

It took me all of 20 seconds to find the following...

"3. (HB73): During the dynamic campaign if we report by radio "convoy in sight" (I'm assuming we can do this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) can we expect other U-Boats to join us?
(Devteam): Convoy shadowing and radio reports were an important part of the wolfpack tactics, and this will be reflected in our game too."

Feel better now?

JCC <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darling, I do not care what the devteam said few months ago. The problems is that the reviewer could not find wolfpacks IN THE GAME!!!

Mix-Martes86
03-13-2005, 04:06 PM
And what? I've never seen wolfpacks in AOTD, but everybody still say it's a great game. If you're not going to buy the game just because of 4 little things that don't affect gameplay that much, then I must say that you are a rather impatient person. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Antrodemus
03-13-2005, 04:09 PM
Shouldn't we just let this one die? I mean, he's adamant he's not buying it, so why prolong his suffering?

A.

TASKFORCE1x1
03-13-2005, 04:10 PM
I pre-bought 3 copies. I guess I'm stuck with the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

negus1
03-13-2005, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mix-Martes86:
And what? I've never seen wolfpacks in AOTD, but everybody still say it's a great game. If you're not going to buy the game just because of 4 little things that don't affect gameplay that much, then I must say that you are a rather impatient person. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't believe what you said right now. Missing UZO and wolfpack attacks may not affect gameplay but the simulation ! That is enough for me not to buy.

And regarding AOD: Of course it was in and if you were patient enough to report contacts and to shadow the convoy for 24 or 48 hours then you could join a wolfpack attack (other u-boats were marked yellow in the map, I recall it exactly)

Frederf220
03-13-2005, 04:16 PM
1. It's a pretty big sign of a sub-top-quality game if they only offer one resolution (I think like Prisoner of War). Fortunately, 1024 is what I always run games at on my 19".

2. Bugs are bugs, they will be fixed.

3. I think it's a tremendous oversight for any sim not to model friendly forces. That's half the war! It's like how in Medal of Honor you take out the Germans by yourself. The line:

"3. (HB73): During the dynamic campaign if we report by radio "convoy in sight" (I'm assuming we can do this ) can we expect other U-Boats to join us?
(Devteam): Convoy shadowing and radio reports were an important part of the wolfpack tactics, and this will be reflected in our game too."

simply means that you will have to report enemy positions, no one is listening or cares. You won't recieve positions from friendly subs in the area. It's just a facade.

4. Less agrigieous, but annoying that if you want to make a historical mission that involves a resupply, how do you do it? You quickly run up against the notion that hey, this part of the game is plain missing.

The man has some valid points here.

negus1
03-13-2005, 04:22 PM
Just imagine you want to replay the movie "Das Boot":

No convoy battle together with other boats!

No meeting with Thomsen in the middle of the Atlantic!

No resupply in Vigo!

(What else will be missing???)

JCC2003
03-13-2005, 04:23 PM
Yeah... because this development team has such a notable history of ignoring it's customers.

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING

JCC

Tomcat41
03-13-2005, 04:26 PM
im so glad i have this thread to pass the time laughing till SH III comes out

KiwiVenge
03-13-2005, 04:27 PM
I see nothing wrong with someone not liking aspects of the game and not buying it because of those aspects. I would not try to show him what others see as an error in his ways.
It is a game, some people will like it, some won't. All each and everyone of us can do is decide for ourselves if we want it.
You will never talk someone into buying a game they have decided they don't want.
And why would you want to try? Each to their own.
Personally, I can't wait for it to show up at my door http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Antrodemus
03-13-2005, 04:28 PM
Feel free to ignore this post, but I for one am totally f*****g sick of this forum, and the game isn't even out yet... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Buh-bye guys... there's more to life than this pish.

A.

JG27_Arklight
03-13-2005, 04:29 PM
Honestly, I could care less if you buy it.

To each his own. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A., why are you leaving?

Osakajoe
03-13-2005, 04:33 PM
I've asked in seperate posts for the last few weeks here and on subsim.com if AI Boats join you and never had a reply to confirm so Negus may be right.

I will still buy the game'but one of the biggest parts of the game is having Allied Boats and Radio messages going back and forth.

I'll be pretty bummed if missing.

archer49d
03-13-2005, 04:33 PM
I think we're all missing the big picture...
Sinking Merchants.

It's JUST a GAME, not reality.

I'm surprised some people will still buy it after finding out they can't make the crew run to the torpedo room to dive quicker... Sheesh, it's things like that... that... don't make a difference in a game.

cherbert
03-13-2005, 04:44 PM
I've never known anyone to be so selfish in all my life. You talk as if the dev team owe you something. Until you buy the software they don't owe you anything!!!

If nobody buys the game who is gonna pay the dev team to make it even better??

The dev team have put in an INCREDIBLE amount of work into this game and negus is moaning about things that aren't even fact yet.

For your information the so called review on that German site is not a release version but a preview version. The first definitive review of the gold master is due very soon over at subsim.com

If you aren't happy - go somewhere else.

Tomcat41
03-13-2005, 04:51 PM
i cant wait till the expansion goes gold in 6 months!

main features:

- after much demand, more resolutions now also possible: - 320x240 640x480, and 800x600 in addition to existing 1024x768.

- multiple seagull species modelled, but the only seem to live near Brest harbor.

- friendly ships now roam around your harbor but only in Brest harbor... Other harbors deemed "unworthy" because of lack of different seagull species.

- wolfpack communications with other Uboats at sea. You can only ask them about the weather and talk about birds and bees though. no other commands modelled.

- UZO is now not left fixed on bridge when diving but screwed loose so that when u dive u lose it in the water. UZO powerup boosts may be found in secret areas to give u a new UZO if u lost your old one (ie: you dove!). Dev team is very proud of this gameplay innovation.

- Resupply feature added. Resupply subs are now available. You can find them off coast of france, but no farther than 100 km out from land because their captains get seasick often and need to be in reach of port to get new diapers.

- UZO spray bug fixed. Spray will no longer obscure your binocs and UZO on NVIDIA cards. However, for added realism, now your watch officer always jumps in front of you and obscures UZO and Binocs. This is to simulate his manic obsession with annoying you. Dev team feels this greatly enhances crew management.

- In addition to other convoys talking with u as mentioned above, Bdu now also responds to your radio messages. However, a random dice roll will be made before each communication determining wether Bdu will communicate in Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, Korean or Swahili for added encryption. Special language upgrades may or may not be found in secret areas to translate these messages to English.

- Allied Destroyers will now travel backwards and bump into convoy ships and each other most of the time when hunting you, to simulate their captains drinking too much Johnnie Walker.

Dev team hopes you will enjoy the new features as much as they do!

Frederf220
03-13-2005, 04:58 PM
Think you've had your head underwater a bit too long. Why can't you take some logical criticism without going into angy-mod-with-pitchforks mode?

The game looks fantastic and I will likely have fun playing it. It's just sad that it's endemic of games nowadays to have you lone wolf, when it's much more satisfying to feel part of the bigger picture.

Mjollnir111675
03-13-2005, 04:59 PM
^^ What!?^^

No:

cruise missiles?

Armor power ups?

Super torpedo upgrades?

Nuclear propulsion research fer REALLY good crews?

Vox comm in all the known languages?

uber life boats with bow mount single 20 mm's? with additinal hull,gun and speed power ups?

And LASTLY..

NO Caterpilar Drive??

BAH!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Mix-Martes86
03-13-2005, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
I can't believe what you said right now. Missing UZO and wolfpack attacks may not affect gameplay but the simulation ! That is enough for me not to buy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Buf, I still say that these things aren't that big problem, and will be fixed soon, at least that UZO thing. And about wolfpacks, the final version isn't out yet, and nobody has yet reported to have tried to find one of these missions (MP missions will be wolfpack missions), so, why do you complain? Complain when you've tried yourself the final game.

And about what you said of battle together with other boats, that just was the try of joining one single boat, and it wasn't really seen in the film how they both attacked any convoy.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JCC2003:
Yeah... because this development team has such a notable history of ignoring it's customers.

THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, they didn't listen us when we asked them a Dynamic Campaign. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DocMcCoy
03-13-2005, 05:19 PM
We should though hold on, that those guys played a PREVIEW. So there is still hope, that Wolfpacks ARE in the Game.

I want to believe!

SeminoleX
03-13-2005, 06:32 PM
If you aren't going to purchase any title until the initial release is declared 100% perfect maybe you had best take up another hobby unlesss you have the patience of Job.

In less than 48 hours most of us will be having a rolicking good time while you fret over trivials.

Are you really content with that prospect?...I seriously doubt it.

Col.Jimbo
03-13-2005, 06:33 PM
Wouldn't miss this game for the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stevenwhiting
03-13-2005, 06:44 PM
I don't know why everyone is getting angry at the guy for not wanting the game. Thats his choice, not ours and makes one more copy avalible for people who want it.

I think everyone is getting angry 'cause they can't wait for next week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

One thing I'll point out though. There are friendly planes, so you won't be totally aloud. I'm not sure if you call them in or not though. You might call them in via the radio if you spot a contact and if they are avalible.

So your not totally alone.

Plus with multiplayer there will be plenty of other friendly subs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll be in multiplayer but be warned, I'm totally new to subsims so your have to hold my hand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll probably keep my forum user name, seen as its my actual name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BobV_07
03-13-2005, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Cool i wondered what todays panic would be!!

Now any bets on tommorows panic? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, man! Exactly what I was thinking! LOL.



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JG27_Arklight
03-13-2005, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobV_07:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Cool i wondered what todays panic would be!!

Now any bets on tommorows panic? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, man! Exactly what I was thinking! LOL.



http://adjunct.diodon349.com/photopoint/0037/0046.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah...

Why is UBI sending out shipping messages when they aren't really shipping till Monday?

I'm guessing that'll be tommorrows "issue".

LOL

UBI pre-ordering, it's FAAAANTASTIC!

SDG73
03-13-2005, 06:57 PM
hehehe, I think they wanna just pump ya up that much more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif......bastards.

BobV_07
03-13-2005, 06:59 PM
Will starforce cause a total world wide computer crash thus freezing all deliveries of SH3? *Bob V bites his nails* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


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BobV_07
03-13-2005, 07:00 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif Sorry I wasn't suppose to mention............STARFORCE....hehehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


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carlinho1939
03-13-2005, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stevenwhiting:
I don't know why everyone is getting angry at the guy for not wanting the game. Thats his choice, not ours and makes one more copy avalible for people who want it.

I think everyone is getting angry 'cause they can't wait for next week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

One thing I'll point out though. There are friendly planes, so you won't be totally aloud. I'm not sure if you call them in or not though. You might call them in via the radio if you spot a contact and if they are avalible.

So your not totally alone.

Plus with multiplayer there will be plenty of other friendly subs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll be in multiplayer but be warned, I'm totally new to subsims so your have to hold my hand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll probably keep my forum user name, seen as its my actual name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are no friendly planes in the dynamic campaign. There`s no feature to call them in. They will only appear in the scripted single missions. This is one of the latest findings in the teamspeak-meeting from the German AOTD Clan. But they are not sure if they played the Gold version or a preview version. Hope it`s a preview version.

Chad4444
03-13-2005, 07:22 PM
IM buying This Game No Matter What!!! i love silent hunter games are sub game .

JG27_Arklight
03-13-2005, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ashbery76:
Well these are important parts of the game! once again a PC game thats been rushed out before completion.Ubi-suck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You haven't been following development have you?

If you had then you would know that this game was far from "rushed" out.

What an asanine comment.

wolfh2o
03-13-2005, 08:16 PM
I'm not out sell Ubi's game for them or convince anyone of anything but for me the reasons to buy it far outweigh the reasons not to. Nuff said on my part.

Mon Pavion
03-13-2005, 08:46 PM
Well, if there really arent any wolfpack operations in the game, the I will be dissapointed that the dev team overlooked such a huge part of uboat operations in the Atlantic. I would hardly call that trivial. But that being said, I still think the game is going to be great, and a long needed shot in the **** for a dying genre(sp?).

I still think we all should wait until we have the game in our greasy little hands before we go making statments like they are fact though.

MDK2582
03-13-2005, 08:48 PM
Silent Hunter III ownz. Negus1 should rip on Big Rigs. Now that's a game that has every reason in the world not to be bought. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

blue_76
03-13-2005, 10:20 PM
i'll buy the game, just from the screenshots and videos i've seen so far.. as for the wolfpacks.. i am dissapointed, but i wouldn't be surprised if they have that in a later patch or in the expansion pack.. hell, i'd buy the game just so that i can sit in the captain's cabin listening to marlene dietrich http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif while the boat rocks back and forth and i hear the sweet hum of the diesels..

Oak_Groove
03-13-2005, 11:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stevenwhiting:
I don't know why everyone is getting angry at the guy for not wanting the game. Thats his choice, not ours and makes one more copy avalible for people who want it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be informed that negus1 has dedicated much of his forum presense making inflaming comments on allegedly negative aspects of SH3, by theorizing and exaggerating them ad nauseum. In his posts you won't read anything about what has been achieved with SH3, only what hasn't. In a way, his modus operandi reminds me of Galen Thurber's disgruntled crusade against Hyperlobby.

negus1
03-14-2005, 12:57 AM
I am German. Thus I want things to be perfect. Why should I buy a Ford if I can have a Mercedes ...

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 01:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
I am German. Thus I want things to be perfect. Why should I buy a Ford if I can have a Mercedes ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy..

You can't have the Mercedes. Unless you know how to make a Mercedes.

You have no idea why certain decisions were made during development. None of us do.

There is no "perfect" in videogame software.

You can want perfect all you want but nothing will ever be perfect.

negus1
03-14-2005, 01:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
You can't have the Mercedes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If all mankind would be like this who invented the wheel?

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 01:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>JG27_Arklight:
You can't have the Mercedes. Unless you know how to make a Mercedes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The DevTeam do know how. They apparently just let the QC people look at it only for a second before shoving it out the factory door.

BaneMoonglum
03-14-2005, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If all mankind would be like this who invented the wheel? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some lazy guy who couldn't afford an elephant...

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 01:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
You can't have the Mercedes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If all mankind would be like this who invented the wheel? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a sad comparison not to mention a completely invalid one.

You stated "why should I buy a Ford if I CAN have a mercedes".

Since we are discussing a sub simulator, and one imparticualr, I would love to know of this "Mercedes" that you CAN have.

Dominicrigg
03-14-2005, 01:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaneMoonglum:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If all mankind would be like this who invented the wheel? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some lazy guy who couldn't afford an elephant... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Tomcat41
03-14-2005, 01:16 AM
well Ark i built a time machine and i offered himt o go back to 1939 and get signed up so thats his mercedes...

sorry to ruin your argument!!!!



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negus1
03-14-2005, 01:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Since we are discussing a sub simulator, and one imparticualr, I would love to know of this "Mercedes" that you CAN have. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Let's go and make one ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 01:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>JG27_Arklight:
You can't have the Mercedes. Unless you know how to make a Mercedes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The DevTeam do know how. They apparently just let the QC people look at it only for a second before shoving it out the factory door. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holding through the Christmas season hardly consitutes "shoving it out the door".

Since it isn't up to the development team when exactly anything is moved in the direction of the door then blaming them is really a pointless endeavour. They can't keep telling UBISoft...6 more months, 6 more months, 6 more months, just too appease the few. Development doesn't work that way.

Again, development decisions have to made in reference to time constraints, there is not an endless amount of time. There is always going to be something that somebody wanted to add, it just can't always be accomplished in the available time frame. Hence the reasoning behind patches and add-ons.

None of the limitations with this game are enough to "break the deal", so to speak, for a majority of the people. Sure, some may be disappointed with some of the games current limitations but a wider majority isn't. Since you can't please everybody, it is best to try and please the many.

Krycek1972
03-14-2005, 01:30 AM
Most development starts with a brain storming session where features are listed, nothing is discounted in such a session.

As the game is completed some features get cut due to time constraints, unfesibility to impliment, or that they are minor and dont had much to the game. Its the same for all games developed and not just sims.

Giving an unlimited bucket of money, unlimited time and no hardware constraints you might get the "perfect" sim. But such a product would never make it out the door with the constant tweaks and addons to satisfy every single whim of the players.

Lets be able to walk around the dock, lets turn it into a first person shooter where we can board escorts, lets change the outcome of the war in a single u-boat.

At the end of the day this sim will have some flaws and short comings for different peoples expectations but as it stands its going to be alot better then any other previous U-boat sim. If you dont like it then sure dont play or buy it and carry on playing the likes of AOTD or SH2.

I will reserve all my judgement of flaws and possible missing features till I have played the sim for awhile and found out anything that I personally feel is lacking from my own viewpoint (if anything). Then I will post suggestions and comments for any future patches or possible upgrades/expansions. Constructive critism always goes along way.

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
Do you know what QC means?
They didn't get it till late December. Considering how long the game has been in development, QC was undermanned or ultra-rushed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everything happens for a reason.

Inversely, I could "assume" that QC didn't begin till later because the Development Team was spending time working on the dynamic campaign that the majority of people here were asking for.

For every assumption somebody makes somebody else can post another assumption to counter it.

hauitsme
03-14-2005, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>JG27_Arklight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>hauitsme:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>JG27_Arklight:
You can't have the Mercedes. Unless you know how to make a Mercedes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The DevTeam do know how. They apparently just let the QC people look at it only for a second before shoving it out the factory door. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Holding through the Christmas season hardly consitutes "shoving it out the door". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They (QC) didn't get it till late December. Considering how long the car (game) has been in development, QC was undermanned or ultra-rushed. So now our Mercedes has dings and scratches, which happens a lot nowadays, but it seems to be missing the carpeting and the windows.

negus1
03-14-2005, 01:36 AM
I think most of the people here understand me wrong. I was not saying that I will never buy the game. I just want to wait for the first patches. So I can get the full excitement of a more perfect game then.

From my point of view the release could have delayed until all the features that the devteam wanted to include work propperly. Since they could not wait any longer to release the game I will just take over the "patience" part and wait untill the Ford was pimped and looks like a Mercedes.

That was my point.

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 01:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
I think most of the people here understand me wrong. I was not saying that I will never buy the game. I just want to wait for the first patches. So I can get the full excitement of a more perfect game then.

From my point of view the release could have delayed until all the features that the devteam wanted to include work propperly. Since they could not wait any longer to release the game I will just take over the "patience" part and wait untill the Ford was pimped and looks like a Mercedes.

That was my point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



"Release could have been delayed". I don't know that and neither do you. People seem to forget that this game was supposed to come out last year. The development team missed Christmas to add in the dynamic campaign that everybody wanted so badly. They can only delay things for so long before UBI looks at them and says "this needs to be done by XX,XX,XXX". Logic would say that the dev. team did as much as possible in the time they had hence the pre-planned patch. Kind of a "oh ****, we don't have time to add this in for release so we'll just add it in the first patch".

I think many here need to give the dev. team some credit for at least listening to the dynamic campaign pleas. They didn't have to do that. They could have just said "**** it" and told UBI it was ready and released it with hopes of selling more copies during the Christmas season.

EFileTahi-A
03-14-2005, 03:09 AM
In my opinion I am not even beginning to care if there are not milk cows or wolf packs. I played Silent Service II, Silent Hunter I, II and they did not had such thing, yet, it was truly fun to play those games.

Now we have crew management, moral system, Full 3D datalied submarine compartments as 3D crew, fantastic graphic engine capable of perform impressive storms, sub pens, DYNAMIC CAMPAIGN, I don't care about wolf packs or milk cows, of course it would be nicer to have it but...

Anyway, this is me, my reasons to buy the game, am not charging negus1 for his comments as it would be a pure stupid thing to do (to say the least) as he do not have to adapt his tastes to anyones tastes...

Freewill kick *ss!

Hans_Koenig
03-14-2005, 03:19 AM
I must tell I'm really disappointed if wolfpacks are not in the campaign.
Did I misunderstand or we were told by dev team they were in?

Wolfpacks were integral part of the German U-boat doctrine. To be clear beyond doubt: wolfpacks made patrol lines. When a boat sighted a convoy radioed the wolfpack its position and the 'wolves' gathered to attack the convoy together. Actually things were far more complicated than that, but that is the basics.
If we take on convoys alone we are not fighting the war as the Germans did.

It was a bad blow when I read resupply at sea was not to be in the game at first.
That was another important feature.

Frankly I'm much less determined to buy SH3 now...at least I want know if wolfpacks will be in the game in the future.
I still hope this is some sort of misunderstanding and friendly subs are actually in the game.

Redwine
03-14-2005, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
Well I decided not to buy SHIII but to wait for the first patches.

Reasons:

1. Resolution (1024x768): I have a 21" monitor and 1024x768 is unbearable for my eyes.

2. UZO-bug: I have a 6800GT and can not attack with the UZO although this was the standard attack maneuver for u-boats until 1943.

3. No wolfpacks: I just read that there are no wolfpack operations in the game. However this was the attack tactics that made german u-boats that successful. A single u-boat against a whole convoy is simply ridiculous and ... not realistic.

4. No Resupply: the lack of resupply excludes big parts of the map from being accessed. I have no understanding for such a flaw.


I hope that the Devteam will solve these issues. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Having respect for your opinion, i am not agree with your reasons......

The things which can make i do not buy the game may be the folowing........

1] The game is not sold a t stores, i will not put my credit card online.

2] The game has StarForce or similar wich enforce me to disasembly my computer or to have two computers to be able to install the game.
There are many reports of problems caused by Starforce in OS, and made back ups of my files two time at month is for me a "need", i have 5 DVD of back up, i need my DVD writer.

3]
No good manual shooting modelation.

4]
No Mission Editor.

i205
03-14-2005, 05:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tomcat41:
i cant wait till the expansion goes gold in 6 months!

main features:

- after much demand, more resolutions now also possible: - 320x240 640x480, and 800x600 in addition to existing 1024x768.

- multiple seagull species modelled, but the only seem to live near Brest harbor.

- friendly ships now roam around your harbor but only in Brest harbor... Other harbors deemed "unworthy" because of lack of different seagull species.

- wolfpack communications with other Uboats at sea. You can only ask them about the weather and talk about birds and bees though. no other commands modelled.

- UZO is now not left fixed on bridge when diving but screwed loose so that when u dive u lose it in the water. UZO powerup boosts may be found in secret areas to give u a new UZO if u lost your old one (ie: you dove!). Dev team is very proud of this gameplay innovation.

- Resupply feature added. Resupply subs are now available. You can find them off coast of france, but no farther than 100 km out from land because their captains get seasick often and need to be in reach of port to get new diapers.

- UZO spray bug fixed. Spray will no longer obscure your binocs and UZO on NVIDIA cards. However, for added realism, now your watch officer always jumps in front of you and obscures UZO and Binocs. This is to simulate his manic obsession with annoying you. Dev team feels this greatly enhances crew management.

- In addition to other convoys talking with u as mentioned above, Bdu now also responds to your radio messages. However, a random dice roll will be made before each communication determining wether Bdu will communicate in Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, Korean or Swahili for added encryption. Special language upgrades may or may not be found in secret areas to translate these messages to English.

- Allied Destroyers will now travel backwards and bump into convoy ships and each other most of the time when hunting you, to simulate their captains drinking too much Johnnie Walker.

Dev team hopes you will enjoy the new features as much as they do! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are f-ing killing ME! I've haven't laughed this hard in a long time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KaosxMeach
03-14-2005, 06:05 AM
The review at subsim.com said that the game installed with a sony DVD burner no problem at all.

The reviewer also stated that starforce gave him no probs.

Go check out the review and see if you still wish to delay purchasing a game that actually got 100% review score.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EFileTahi-A:
Anyway, this is me, my reasons to buy the game, am not charging negus1 for his comments as it would be a pure stupid thing to do (to say the least) as he do not have to adapt his tastes to anyones tastes... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said! I wish more people would respect the desires of others and let them play the game (or not in this case, I guess) as they want.

Personally, when I saw this thread's title "Reasons not to buy SHIII" the first thing that popped into my head was "Brain damage". But I suppose there are valid reasons and everyone has his own motivations and desires, so 'vive la difference!'

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans_Koenig:
I must tell I'm really disappointed if wolfpacks are not in the campaign. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, perhaps the reason they're not included is the same as why they usually didn't work in practice. They were too hard to set up. I'm a little disappointed too, but let's face it, even if Wolfpacks had been included, balancing their effectiveness would have been a challenge. Leaving them out hardly makes a difference to the actual gameplay, although it would have been nice to see how a Wolfpack breaks down in practice, from a well-coordinated mass attack in theory, to an uncoordinated mess once the boats get to the target area.

rappodon
03-14-2005, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
I am German. Thus I want things to be perfect. Why should I buy a Ford if I can have a Mercedes ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh mann, bis vor kurzem habe ich ja noch gedacht, dass Du zwar gerne provozierst aber doch ein ganz vernünftiger Kerl bist.

Aber mit diesem Beitrag hast Du echt den Vogel abgeschossen. Tststs...

Not all germans are like Negus1... And this is very good to know! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hans_Koenig
03-14-2005, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans_Koenig:
I must tell I'm really disappointed if wolfpacks are not in the campaign. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, perhaps the reason they're not included is the same as why they usually didn't work in practice. They were too hard to set up. I'm a little disappointed too, but let's face it, even if Wolfpacks had been included, balancing their effectiveness would have been a challenge. Leaving them out hardly makes a difference to the actual gameplay, although it would have been nice to see how a Wolfpack breaks down in practice, from a well-coordinated mass attack in theory, to an uncoordinated mess once the boats get to the target area. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably wolfpacks were never as cohordinated as Doeniz wished in his dreams but up to a certain extent they proved effective - at least until 1942.

Racing towards a contact to partecipate to a mass attack to a convoy would be great.
That is, seeing a far merchantman suddenly exploding in the night; exploiting a gap in the defences as escorts go after another U-boat; shadowing a convoy to allow other boats to join the hunt, being harassed by planes and escorts using Huff Duff...
Leaving wolfpacks out does make a difference in actual gameplay.
You'll always have all the defences centered on you: if this isn't a big factor...
If this game was in the Pacific wolfpack may have been less important - note that I sey less important, not un-important - but it can not be argued that they were the core of German submarine doctrine from the onset of the war.

Whether they can be effectively portraited in a sim - that's another question. But I thought they would try, at least.

Philipscdrw
03-14-2005, 08:11 AM
I can think of many reasons not to buy SH3:

- you don't own a computer

- you will only play games that don't require more patience than BF1942's sniper rifle

- you don't like naval simulators

- your grandfather was in the Merchant Navy and was killed by a U-boat...

- you cannot abide fighting on the Axis side of the War...

- you have a job/degree to study/family and cannot spare the hours to play.



If I was Negus, I would buy SH3 anyway, even if I wasn't 100% happy with it - it will still be worth playing (even without wolfpacks) and by buying it, you are proving to Ubi that this series is worth all the time and money they've spent on it. The Romanian team could have made several Playstation action games by now if they hadn't been on SH3, and made more money for Ubi that way...

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Philipscdrw
03-14-2005, 08:14 AM
Oh BTW. Hopefully Ubi will release an add-on in 6 months time, to really complete SH3, with wolfpacks, milk-cows, enemy ports full of ships and defenses, AI friendly aircraft in campaigns, English-speaking German voices, perhaps an Italian submarine...

That's just an idea I made up. But maybe, Ubi, maybe... but if sales are poor, then the upper management may well not bother, and get Ubi Romania to make PS2 games instead.

negus1
03-14-2005, 08:19 AM
Let us compromise on the following:

I will buy the game as soon as three of the four issues (resolution, uzo-bug, resupply, wolfpacks) are solved by a patch.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
Let us compromise on the following:

I will buy the game as soon as three of the four issues (resolution, uzo-bug, resupply, wolfpacks) are solved by a patch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure the UZO bug will be fixed soon, along with the resupply issue. As for resolution, that's a maybe, but I wouldn't hold your breath regarding the wolfpack issue. It's a lot of work, and in my experience such large gameplay issues don't get addressed unless the game gets a major expansion - and I don't just mean a tinkering expansion such as adding more boats, shipping lanes and populating harbours. This issue would need a serious development budget.

Anyway, given the fact that Wolfpack attacks were rare in practice, the exclusion of Wolfpacks takes away only a negligible part of the overall experience. You can boycott the game based on this aspect if you want, but in my view it's a mistake.

HeibgesU999
03-14-2005, 09:53 AM
It took the Germans a long time to get the Wolfpack system in place. They just didn't have the number of uboats available.

A Wolfpack was only a collection of submarines in the same area.

There was NO true cooperation between submarines in attacking convoys.

Not cooperation like you think of when, say, planes or tanks attack.

negus1
03-14-2005, 09:59 AM
of course there was no direct cooperation. but the wolfpack attack was stretching the escort cover. thus few boats could slip through and attack. in many convoy battles (esp. in 1942/1943) most of the wolfpack came not into attack position but they made the escorts busy enough to allow a few boats to get through and attack. this was the purpose of wolfpack tactics.

bertgang
03-14-2005, 10:00 AM
I think that Philipscdrw is right, add-on will come soon.

A bit strange not having wolfpacks since first release, but it's not my top priority, as I feel me better as lone hunter.

cherbert
03-14-2005, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by negus1:
Let us compromise on the following:

I will buy the game as soon as three of the four issues (resolution, uzo-bug, resupply, wolfpacks) are solved by a patch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

negus1.. Please use some common sense. The more copies of SH3 that are sold the closer we get to actually getting future patches and/or expansion packs!!

If everyone took your attitude of sitting ont he fence then there would be no patches!!

As somebody who is buying the game I feel like I'm SUBsidising future development of it for your benefit!

BUY THE GOD**** GAME!!!

Stuntcow
03-14-2005, 11:39 AM
I cant think of one reason not to buy the game. Will be playing the game and not reading someones complants about what "they" want in it.

Delfin1941
03-14-2005, 11:50 AM
If you are wrong about what you said, we can prove that to you after we get the game...perhaps you might reconsider and buy the game...but then again, you might not find it in stores anymore.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I think a few things on your list are in the game already - let's not judge yet.. and rest..the resulution issue can be corrected in patches after the game's release.

RustyTorpedo
03-14-2005, 12:22 PM
If only the DEVs decide to release part of the game code to the public. Depending on the complexity/flexibility on the AI library, I could hack you a wolfpack mod in a night or two....

Haze01
03-14-2005, 01:51 PM
I´m just curious, what games do you who is complaining actually buy? I mean, every game has it´s flaws, and are never they way one wants them to 100%. We should all be happy for having a computer in the first place. Think of the kids and youngster in Africa not even having the chance to play SH3. THAT`S missery for ya http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif...

Personally I buy at least 1 game/month. Some suck, some don´t... I can afford it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif! And this one is not gonna suck! I have not been so eager to get hold of a game since BF1942 (which was an revolution when it came out BTW)...

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Haze01:
Personally I buy at least 1 game/month. Some suck, some don´t... I can afford it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The fact that you can afford to do so doesn't mean everyone can. If someone has high expectations, that's their prerogative. Some people can only afford to buy a game for Christmas or a birthday, so they need to be choosy. Anyway, the fact that we're wealthier than most people in the world is no reason not to be discriminating in terms of how we choose to spend our money.

Personally, I'm like you - plenty of money to throw at games. Anyway, I think this game will rock. But I don't demand that everyone thinks like I do about it.