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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:02 PM
Address is below:

http://dof.cn/bbs/php/download.php?s=2&lei=2&id=31650

What a fun and How about it?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope FW190A9 in FB new patch will as sharp as in FB1.11http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:02 PM
Address is below:

http://dof.cn/bbs/php/download.php?s=2&lei=2&id=31650

What a fun and How about it?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope FW190A9 in FB new patch will as sharp as in FB1.11http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zayets
10-24-2003, 02:05 PM
What's this?

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:10 PM
Its a FB 1.11 .NTRK file, just download it and unzip it to your FB/records directory, and Use "play tracks" to replayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 07:17 PM
Nice deflection shooting. But this track actually bummed me a little, since it looks exactly like the way I used to be able to fly Me-262, before they botched the flight model.
The 262 was more accurate in Fb V1.0 and it had energy more like it did in real life. Now it's only advantage is pure speed only. Also the late 109s used to be more able to fly
like you did in your track, but they killed them too. But the Soviet crowd whined too much about German planes that were actually able to compete. We are lucky to have a FW that can still fly like a fighter.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 12:44 AM
OKsince this is a fight against stupid AIs, so its no meaning of real online combating in FW190A9 or la7's FM,DM.

Men use La7 can easy shot down a FW190A9.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:17 AM
Online Fw-190A9's can easily down La-7's. The fight is actually very even. Both planes have a set of advantages and disadvantages that cancel each other out. A noobie La-7 is an easy kill for an Fw-190A9 and a noobie Fw-190A9 is an easy kill for an La-7.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:23 AM
Maj_Death wrote:
- Online Fw-190A9's can easily down La-7's. The fight
- is actually very even. Both planes have a set of
- advantages and disadvantages that cancel each other
- out. A noobie La-7 is an easy kill for an Fw-190A9
- and a noobie Fw-190A9 is an easy kill for an La-7.

Thats true!

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:43 AM
Excellent shooting dude. I wonder how the tactics required in FB compare to what was used IRL on Eastern front. Hammer heading seems to be the only way (for me) to conterract LA7 AI Aces in FB, although I sure as heck haven't taken on 6 before.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 02:16 AM
ucanfly wrote:
- Excellent shooting dude. I wonder how the tactics
- required in FB compare to what was used IRL on
- Eastern front. Hammer heading seems to be the only
- way (for me) to conterract LA7 AI Aces in FB,
- although I sure as heck haven't taken on 6 before.

Thxhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 190A9 and 109s must use BNZ tac to defeat ACE La Yak AIs.

But when Use 190A5 or A9/D9, I found come time can use basic TNB tac to down 2~3 ACE AI la5(F)s.
Indeed, The A5 or A9's turn are not very bad. And they keep energy's ability is good.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 04:56 AM
Nice flying and good use of your views HotWind. I noticed that you really kept your bird steady, my I ask what joystick are you using?

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 06:44 AM
I use Microsoft Presision2 stick. A good stick, Quick responce, Smooth control, and nicety. But its spring design is a sh~t. I intenerate it for more smooth and steady control.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 07:56 AM
I cannot but to comment how effective yourguns seem to be. What convergence do you use ?

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:14 AM
FW190A9 with outer-wing 2xMK108, My convergence setting is all to 220m.

In FW190A5 with 20mm canons,
For mostly BNZ kill tac, My setting is all to 180m,
For mostly TNB kill tac, My setting is all to 120~150m,

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:18 AM
Thanks to AFJ team they teach me thathttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 10:15 AM
Did you stay in the cockpit to make that track?

I'am just wondering how you know when the enemy is in the correct position if you cant see them?

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:41 PM
pourshot wrote:
- Did you stay in the cockpit to make that track?
-
- I'am just wondering how you know when the enemy is
- in the correct position if you cant see them?
-
- No1RAAF_Pourshot

Yes! offcause! realmode but Icon on.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 02:32 PM
Hotwind you are one bad mutha ACE/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Can you give me a clue as to how long you practice.Right now I do about 1/2 hr a day but its not everyday.

Just last night I noticed how I was recently making these really good deflection shots.I am getting better with holding my plane steady and leading targets and feeling like I am "becoming"/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Then I load your track and whoops Im still a fneb/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Soon brother man soon but I need lots more stick time to "become"!!Right now I can take an ace in many planes except those dam I16.For them I neeed lots of time and just run for the hills and turn,do a head-on and run again.They trully are the best plane for close area fighting imo.

I am just starting to "feel" where my bulllets will go in relation to ALL the other factors and of course the so important fact of when to pull the trigger.Its almost as if I have these genuis moments when all of a suden something clicks in my head and I just KNOW where to fly to,how to angle my plane,where my bullets will fall to and when to let the lead rip.Its almost a mystical feeling as it cant be explained.Sorta like if you ask a F1 race driver how he gets the last seconds out of a car,he will not be able to tell you since its very subconsciously controlled and hence his consicous mind has no clue/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 03:30 PM
Hotwind,are you sure your running 1.11.The reason I ask is that you are extending at same speed as I am ....420 to 430 and you pull straight up as I do,yet my speed drops way too fast compared to your speed which seems to drop slower in speedbar.

The reason I ask is because i had read that 1.2 beta was giving the 190's a much needed energy bleed fix even having the person say that theres too little now.How are you supposed to BandZ an LA7 if you scrub all your speed off as your pulling up.This game has me so frustrated due to all these weird effects that never seem to synch.Just now I was diving at 800KPH and the la's followed me all the way down from4000M and as I pulled up the tore my back half off/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 03:59 PM
To be good in a Fw 190, use Fw 190A-8 as your training plane and fight contemporary enemy planes (Yak 9U, Lame-7 and P-51). This will teach you E preservation in most effective way /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I never found it possible to stay above those Lame-7s thoroughout the fight in any other than A-9 or D-9. In A-8, as in 1.11, they close the E gap quickly and now it is up to me to think of something else to make them bleed it away again.

Generally, I don't like to use 190 as 109 should be used (constant nose up manuvers at low speed). This leaves you wide open to other intruders who can make a pass at you at the top of your loops. Granted, this tactic keeps you safe from stupid AI, but a bright human player would leave that gaggle and come back with alt and speed.

Those AIs are Aces in game difficulty settings, which probably means they hit accurately and fly the plane to the limits, but they have zero tactical knowledge (except sometimes covering each other).

Instead, I always try to have speed with me, as it keeps me safe not only from opponets I fight, but also from opponents I am not aware they are there.

TnB Ai type is fairly predictable. BnZ Ai, as found in Yak 9U or P51 is much more interesting, as it doesn't always follow you like it is on a string. IMHO, this is more like humans you'd find online. Lame-7 AI is more like kiddies you fight over the net /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

I posted a track about it, vs P-51s, in Fw 190A-8.

http://free-kc.htnet.hr/hristo/s3.zip


P.S. I know of TrackIR back view, but it is a small compensation for 190s forward view /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .


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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 04:03 PM
What Death said.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 04:33 PM
HotWind

That's an incredible track which makes me feel like all my time behind the joystick has been wasted...

Could you send us a track of the same scenario with those awesome hammerheads with the option for external viewing set so that we can admire your expertise from outside the aircraft? It's difficult to see what angle of climb you're using in cockpit view only, and how the A9 handles when you flip'er over at 50 kmh at the top of the climb. How the heck do you prevent her from stalling and spiralling uncontrollably from that speed, much less maneuver for a deflection shot! And it seemed to me that your deflection shots at times didn't have enough lead angle, yet you certainly downed most La7's in the first pass!

These kind of tracks are what we newbies need to learn from the pros! We sure could use the help.



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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 05:20 PM
pourshot wrote:
- Did you stay in the cockpit to make that track?
-
- I'am just wondering how you know when the enemy is
- in the correct position if you cant see them?


It seems to me those La's flew in a nice, tight pack directly below him for most of the fight.
He'd have to fall asleep in his cockpit to not know where they were at all times.
Man, AI is dumb.

My compliments on the very nice deflection shooting!
Quick kills using minimal ammo.
Very nice, indeed.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 05:32 PM
Lufbery_Boy wrote:
- HotWind
-
-
- Could you send us a track of the same scenario with
- those awesome hammerheads with the option for
- external viewing set so that we can admire your
- expertise from outside the aircraft?

You can have external views in any track. All you have to do is enable "Manual View Control" in the menu.

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ZG77_Nagual
10-25-2003, 05:36 PM
good to combine la7s with yak3s - the las climb better - but the yaks are hard to hit - I usually do four of each. They are toast if you fly vertically and manage your e. Some of the earlier types are actually more difficult - a5s, yak9ds, i16s and p51s tend to split into wingman pairs - one set will separate and climb while you engage the others - makes sit awareness more difficult. For some reason the la7s and yak3s tend to try and follow your zoom - which makes setting them up pretty easy and keeps them grouped up alot.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 05:50 PM
Nice shooting indeed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Two questions. Why you don't seem to use wep? And how much fuel carried the La7s?
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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 06:03 PM
???? that I have is WHY the LAs are not shooting at you when they are in range ????
i dont believe I saw a single shot fired by any LAS in that trk

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 08:09 PM
If you are interested in such matchups, you can check this mission:

http://free-kc.htnet.hr/hristo/beat_that.quick

download it to your Quicks folder and try it yourself



you can post the results into this thread


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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 10:51 PM
AVG_HotWind wrote:

- pourshot wrote:
-- Did you stay in the cockpit to make that track?
--
-- I'am just wondering how you know when the enemy is
-- in the correct position if you cant see them?
--
-- No1RAAF_Pourshot
-

AVG_HotWind wrote:

- Yes! offcause! realmode but Icon on.

So if you are in the cockpit at all times how did you know when to start your first climb looking at that track I cant see any enemy until you make your first hamerhead /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Edit: I still think thats some nice shooting by the way.



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Message Edited on 10/26/0307:52AM by pourshot

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 01:20 AM
Wolfstriked wrote:
- Hotwind you are one bad mutha ACE/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Can you give me a clue as to how
- long you practice.Right now I do about 1/2 hr a day
- but its not everyday.
-
- Just last night I noticed how I was recently making
- these really good deflection shots.I am getting
- better with holding my plane steady and leading
- targets and feeling like I am "becoming"/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Then I load your track and
- whoops Im still a fneb/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Soon brother man soon but I need
- lots more stick time to "become"!!Right now I can
- take an ace in many planes except those dam I16.For
- them I neeed lots of time and just run for the hills
- and turn,do a head-on and run again.They trully are
- the best plane for close area fighting imo.
-
- I am just starting to "feel" where my bulllets will
- go in relation to ALL the other factors and of
- course the so important fact of when to pull the
- trigger.Its almost as if I have these genuis moments
- when all of a suden something clicks in my head and
- I just KNOW where to fly to,how to angle my
- plane,where my bullets will fall to and when to let
- the lead rip.Its almost a mystical feeling as it
- cant be explained.Sorta like if you ask a F1 race
- driver how he gets the last seconds out of a car,he
- will not be able to tell you since its very
- subconsciously controlled and hence his consicous
- mind has no clue

I had Practic Fw190 when OLEG's 1.1b patch is out. Before that time My favorate plane is IL2 or FB 1.0's P39Q1, I use 37mm BrowningM4 good. Allmost every day in the night, I try 190s to down 4~12 ACE AIs(almost all kind), or just dogfight in our TEAM HOST-(TEAM CHN), the average time is one day 3 hourshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And I have some idea of deflection shots and BNZ AIs tac:
Below is write in Chinese wordhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gifMy english is very poor, guess someone can translate it)
http://dof.cn/bbs/php/viewtopic.php?s=2&bbsid=1&forumid=4789

And some tips is FW190's View. Every one said it is bad. But I found I can make use of the right side of FW190's window. when enimy closing(right to left), put it into right-side-window, and its very easy to let it pass the crossairhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thats allhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 01:27 AM
Wolfstriked wrote:
- Hotwind,are you sure your running 1.11.The reason I
- ask is that you are extending at same speed as I am
- ....420 to 430 and you pull straight up as I do,yet
- my speed drops way too fast compared to your speed
- which seems to drop slower in speedbar.
-
- The reason I ask is because i had read that 1.2 beta
- was giving the 190's a much needed energy bleed fix
- even having the person say that theres too little
- now.How are you supposed to BandZ an LA7 if you
- scrub all your speed off as your pulling up.This
- game has me so frustrated due to all these weird
- effects that never seem to synch.Just now I was
- diving at 800KPH and the la's followed me all the
- way down from4000M and as I pulled up the tore my
- back half off

I must agree your feeling. I have the same. I think all the things the 1.1 later patch good at, is only the FW190. OLEG , please give more fun of flying FW190http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif dont let me down in Patch 1.2...

BTW, my track is made in FB 1.11. Please notice that the AUTO radiator means open. So men must close it for more speed and ZOOM abilitys.

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 01:43 AM
Hristos's post are very good! S! Same feeling about that.

I will try your mission If I sucess , I will posthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW, dont suspicion my track. I do that with no more difficult. I had almost 700M bytes of NTRKs of that 190 BNZ things. If any one need it, tell me a NET space, I will upload themhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Those all in realisticmode and ICON ON.

There are FW190A5,A8,A9,D9s against 4~12 ACE AIs in Yak3s,La5La7s,P39N,Q1s,MIG3Us,P40s,P51s.
I use 25% fuel, but AI use 100% fuel.
But I must say I could not do that against P39Q10s, the only type in FB.

25% fuel against 100% fuel ACE AIs is not very difficult.Our teammate(CHN,AVG or III/JG2) almost all can finish same trackshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW And I must say those are not hammer-head. I only use joystick(no rudder apply) to finish it. Its all depend on my own feelings.





Message Edited on 10/26/0302:11AM by AVG_HotWind

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 02:06 AM
Verry nice. Can you try that now vs Yak 9U. This plane has the best AI in game IMHO.

Unlimited ammo right?


Message Edited on 10/25/0308:45PM by Jaws2002

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 02:25 AM
I practice more and more and starting to see your point about 190 too good.I really like the 190's and find them my favorite in FB.I keep rad at auto and it still is very good at climb zoom.

Cant wait for the TA to appear/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 02:50 AM
I had tried ever, But I failed all the times. Those Yak9U and P39Q10s, I cant use simple BNZ tac to down themhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 03:35 AM
Your so right about keeping the enemy plane coming across your path in corner window.Set it to enter the corner and it comes out right in Revi...thanks for that/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 03:42 AM
pourshot wrote:
- AVG_HotWind wrote:
-
-- pourshot wrote:
--- Did you stay in the cockpit to make that track?
---
--- I'am just wondering how you know when the enemy is
--- in the correct position if you cant see them?
---
--- No1RAAF_Pourshot
--
-
- AVG_HotWind wrote:
-
-- Yes! offcause! realmode but Icon on.
-
- So if you are in the cockpit at all times how did
- you know when to start your first climb looking at
- that track I cant see any enemy until you make your
- first hamerhead

haha, If you had play this tac over 500 times, of couse you will know when,where and what the AI will responcehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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