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trist007
02-01-2004, 02:27 PM
*puts head down*

trist007
02-01-2004, 02:27 PM
*puts head down*

Bill_Lester
02-01-2004, 02:45 PM
Great plane that it was I'd rather see the B-26 Marauder, Mosquito, A-20 and even the A-26 myself.

VW-IceFire
02-01-2004, 02:48 PM
Wait...where's the annoucement?

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DeBaer.534
02-01-2004, 02:50 PM
it would have made a great target http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

DONB3397
02-01-2004, 03:14 PM
Wonder if they'll miss the expansion pack, but get it into the Gold edition. If not, pray for an early pactch/upgrade.

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xTHRUDx
02-01-2004, 04:47 PM
WHAT?!!? NO B-25?!?! <runs to nearest window............thump>

Future-
02-01-2004, 06:05 PM
During the last days, many rumors have turned up that, together with a strange open fact, indicate that the B-25's interior won't be ready in time for the exp pack, so many people now expect that the B-25 will be ai only in the exp pack.

About the strange open fact: although we got to see the pics of the B-25's cockpit in the dev update, there were no pictures up to date from it's gunner positions or the bombsight.

Of course, just like the "110-question", I still wait for an official word on the "B-25 question", and as long as there doesn't any new info turn up, I regard both topics as "subject to change, whatever their status is/was". Along with a few other unclear things.

Rest assured, if anything new turns up, it'll be shared here.

S!, and remember, only a lil more than two weeks to go now

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Cajun76
02-01-2004, 06:17 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifLOL xTHRUDx! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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SodBuster43
02-01-2004, 08:21 PM
I am crossing my fingers that there may be a huge surpirse lurking in the expansion pack. This may be wishful thinking or another of my pipe dreams but I try to remain optimistic.

Regardless, I will buy the expansion pack simply because the other aircraft listed are also highly prized additions as well.

The ones I am looking forward to the most are the P-38 and the P-51B. Hope the P-51B has the Malcom Hood (spelling?) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Zeus-cat
02-01-2004, 08:48 PM
I really wish we would get an official announcement on what is in the expansion pack. Now that Ubisoft is taking advance orders I would think they could commit. Kind of sleazy to say place your order, but we won't tell you what you are getting til later.

Given the time it takes to produce and ship a product, they have to have the expansion pack completed by now.

I'm really pulling for the B-25. It would be so nice to have in this game.

Zeus-cat

IcarusXP
02-01-2004, 09:05 PM
I'm a Bomber fan. I would very much like to se more bombers added to this game.
Dose the FACT that we are not getting the long awaited B-25 mean I won't buy the ACE Expantion.......Hell no!

More planes, are more planes, and IL2 still rocks.

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Future-
02-01-2004, 09:48 PM
Well, I could live without a cockpit for the B-25, as long as they include the version with the pack of .50s in the nose.

Imagine that, a relatively fast 2 engine craft, capable of heavy frontal gun attacks as well as bombing the sh!t out of the enemy, while being protected by it's own defensive gunners. Kinda like a mix between a P-47, a Tu-2S and a half B-17. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

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Future-
02-01-2004, 09:50 PM
Btw, rumor has it if the 'pits for the B-25 won't be in the exp pack, they might be out sometime till summer.

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Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 01:16 AM
Who the hell cares about the B-25? It's a friggin BOMBER <<puke>>. I WANT MY SPITFIRE!!!

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GAU-8
02-02-2004, 01:29 AM
um.. i care, i care!

Future-
02-02-2004, 03:35 AM
"Who the hell cares about the B-25? It's a friggin BOMBER <<puke>>. I WANT MY SPITFIRE!!!"

PAH! Bad boy, no B-25 for us, no Spitfire for you! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Well, seriously now, it seems the closer we get to the release, especially the more complex and thus more (technically) interesting planes fall behind. First we lost the Fw-200 'pits, now the interior of the B-25 seems to be cut off for now, and the future of the Bf-110 is also uncertain.
And although it is pretty sure that at least the Spitfire MkV will be in the pack, there's, for example, no word on the possible loadouts for this plane.

Hell, even about the confirmed flyable planes such as the P-38 still is some info missing, as it recently turned out that even Gibbage himself who created the P-38 didn't know about at least one POSSIBLE loadout option...

To put this all in short, only a few minor things are certain right now, but most things about the add-on are probably, as they always say, "subject to change".
At least that's what I think.

S!

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Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 03:41 AM
Seriously, I have a bad feeling in my guts about this pack. What will it be? Seriously delayed full featured product, or half-bad product released on time? Whatever happens, we WILL WHINE!!!

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crazyivan1970
02-02-2004, 04:29 AM
"B-25s will be in add-on, but only AI for now. Cockpits are not ready and as soon as they are we`ll release them. There are dead-lines for this project that come with the contract and we have no rights to delay it. Contact is contract. So for some planes you will have to wait a bit."

MG-13 member of dev team.

So, what is the whole histeria about? What`s the big deal? Are you all feeling obligated to buy it? If it`s not good enough for you, then don`t. Wait till all planes that you need will be completed (Somewhere around summer time) and buy it then.

= ducking =

V!
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Aaron_GT
02-02-2004, 05:27 AM
It's a shame if there is no B25 as it would
be a bomber the VVS used that goes more than
100mph! Plus it would be good for the RAF
and USAAF, of course.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-02-2004, 05:47 AM
sad news,but im willing to wait for a B25 pit as long if there will be a
Bf-110
Ta-152
P-38
SPITFIRE

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Future-
02-02-2004, 06:20 AM
Well, these news just leave the Bf-110 in the dust...

According to last heard rumors, the 110 was planned as flyable, but hasn't been confirmed yet.

Curse the developers for not putting enough effort into the multicrew multiengine planes. It seems they're a lot more comfortable with doing some experimental SINGLESEATERS like the Go-229 instead of completing some medium and/or heavy bombers in time. I'd gladly give the flying wing the finger if the Bf-110 and the B-25 would be in the exp pack FLYABLE.

We already have more than enough fighters, but there still are only a few ground attack planes / bombers available; plus some more or less famous aircraft are also still missing.

He-177, Ju-188, Avro Lancaster, DeHavilland Mosquito, B-24 Liberator, A-26 Marauder, Tupolev Tu-2S, Pe-8 - just to name a few. Some are being developed by 3rd party modellers, but I doubt that we will really ever get to see a proper amount of "big" planes in FB. Too bad, 'cause this narrows FB down to a fighter sim, with only a slight ground/ship attack touch.

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SpinSpinSugar
02-02-2004, 06:27 AM
Agreed Future-, I'm hoping that Battle Of Britain will be more balanced from the outset with all included bomber types flyable. It increases popularity considerably (especially online) if multi-crew position aircraft are included. It takes many more manhours to complete such aircraft than single-seat fighters, but as BoB will have fewer aircraft in total, here's hoping they give equal weighting to the bombers.

Cheers, SSS

crazyivan1970
02-02-2004, 06:47 AM
Future and others not happy ones, i have a little advice for you... grab 3DMAX and shock us all with wonderfull models of twin engine bombers, outstanding cockpits and damage effects.

So?

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MiloMorai
02-02-2004, 06:59 AM
Well I have to agree with Future, for this game was to be a ground pounding game originly. That seems to have been pushed to the side.

Any a/c added, though, are greatly appreciated.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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US_8th_Dosiere
02-02-2004, 07:16 AM
I am sure, as with every other product from Oleg, that we will get lots of goodies for free long after the retail release of the expansion pack.

Heck, the "patches" for FB amount to at least one expansion pack already that they could released.

Concerning both the Bf-110 and B-25 - they seem to be in the works for sure and so will turn up sometime if not in the retail relese of the expansion.

No worries, we already have something like 100+ high quality flyables to play with until then. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2004, 07:33 AM
...there's an add-on/expansion pack coming?

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p1ngu666
02-02-2004, 10:21 AM
tons of fighters, and no new bombers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

adlabs6
02-02-2004, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
Well I have to agree with Future, for this game was to be a ground pounding game originly. That seems to have been pushed to the side.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thoughts exactly. Dogfighting has taken over as the main priority in this sim, far and wide.

That said, I still have to recognize the somewhat odd situation that the addon freeware and payware planes are built under for IL2/FB. They are basically freeware projects for the most part, yet these projects are added by mandate of the developer like a payware product.

On the front of freeware, of course I have all the support in the world for these authors. Given a more flexible addon system, we would only profit more from their great works.

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Korolov
02-02-2004, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Future and others not happy ones, i have a little advice for you... grab 3DMAX and shock us all with wonderfull models of twin engine bombers, outstanding cockpits and damage effects.

So?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if I hear right, you can make models in Gmax, but you need someone with 3DS to make it Oleg-proof. I also hear there might be a rental program for 3DS out soon as well, so it just might be possible.

But honestly, how many of you have ACTUALLY made a 3d model? Much less a airplane with multiple LODs, DMs, and a cockpit.

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adlabs6
02-02-2004, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
But honestly, how many of you have ACTUALLY made a 3d model? Much less a airplane with multiple LODs, DMs, and a cockpit.

Ain't easy stuff! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My brother and I started in the mid 90's with 3D modeling, and indeed, it takes no only patience and skill, but also proper tools. Since then, I have given up the 3D for 2D, though my brother still enjoys 3D as a hobby, he mostly builds scenes for 2D renders, not games however. An La7 he built...

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He made that with a freeware program called Blender, though he recently moved on to better software, trueSpace 5.2, which has much better modeling tools.

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p1ngu666
02-02-2004, 05:23 PM
adlabs, want me to create a account for u on my webspace? or/and i can put u in touch with my friend who i got it from http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i think its 5-6quid for a year now for a different package, still bargin tho

buz13
02-02-2004, 06:07 PM
It would be good to have an offical list of what is flyable and what is AI in the Addon since you can already pre-order it, but if you do you won't know what you're getting for sure.

rbstr44
02-02-2004, 06:50 PM
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At least it will probably make it to the community some day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

jenikovtaw
02-02-2004, 09:16 PM
I'd rather see Pe2 or Tu2...an EASTERN front plane. But 25 would be awesome, lend lease.

fluke39
02-03-2004, 12:42 AM
dang

i don't think it's out of order to be a bit pissed at not getting the B25 - especially as it seemed from the dev updates that it was finally going to arrive - i had been hoping for a B25 for ages. Having a go at the developers however is another thing entirely. Although i would much rather see planes that actually had some impact on the war rather than "fantasy" planes such as the flying wing, but that's just my opinion.

o yeah - where does it give this info about b25 or not b25 as case may be, anyway?

Future-
02-03-2004, 02:49 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote: ""B-25s will be in add-on, but only AI for now. Cockpits are not ready and as soon as they are we`ll release them. There are dead-lines for this project that come with the contract and we have no rights to delay it. Contact is contract. So for some planes you will have to wait a bit."

MG-13 member of dev team"

Look at the last postings on page 1 of this thread. There you will find ivan's entire comment.

S!

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