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FatBoyHK
03-15-2005, 07:56 AM
I have been using 200m on a Mustang since I start flying this game, and I think it suit me well. But recently I have a discussion with my squadmate on this matter, and they are suggesting me to try 150m, or even 100m.

Anyone have the experience of changing his convengence from a higher value to 150m or 100m? Is there any huge difference?

There are two factors I am thinking about. First, I am not a good shooter, especially bad in making tracking shot. But on the other hand, I am quite good in making high-deflection, close-range snapshot. Does a shorter convengence suit my style?

Second, because I live in Asia, inevitably I have high ping (250 - 300) and high packet loss when playing on WarClouds. Sometimes I think I have dealt a killing blow to my enemy, but a quick check with "<gunstats" show that I have landed just a couple of hits. Would a lower convengence help solving this probelm directly or indirectly?

PBNA-Boosher
03-15-2005, 08:00 AM
I'm 225m for mostly everything. I'm still experimenting to find my niche with the P-51D's .50's

WOLFMondo
03-15-2005, 08:08 AM
For early war dogfights I have mine set to 150, works very nicely in those close in fights.

SnapdLikeAMutha
03-15-2005, 08:21 AM
I set mine at 100m

I don't play online

Cippacometa
03-15-2005, 08:25 AM
I set 150 m for all kinds of MGs and for 30 mm cannons (MK108), and 200 m for 20 mm cannons (MG151/20, ShVAK, Hispano).
I also don't play anymore online.

Capt.LoneRanger
03-15-2005, 08:43 AM
I used to have my Cal50s on my P40E set to 120m. Never saw a more fatal effect in IL2FB. The planes unlucky ending in my cycle were shreddered.

With the P38 sniper guns I aim at 500-550m.

mynameisroland
03-15-2005, 09:06 AM
I set my Fw 190 guns to 400m. This is partly due to the characteristics of the plane. I like having my bullets fly as straight as possible - convergence is in the vertical as well as the horizontal plane. I dont have a problem hitting at higher ranges and with the Fw 190's weapons system you dont need 150m convergence to shred a target.

What I've found too is that pilots dont expect you to shoot from that distance so even when they know you are on their 6 they will wait until you close further until the try evasive action - by which time you already should have hit them.

3.JG51_BigBear
03-15-2005, 09:12 AM
I set mine at 150M on everything. I play online and off without icons and I have no ability to gauge range in a computer game so I just wait until I'm right on top of the target and fire. I don't do any long range gunnery or deflection shots.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-15-2005, 09:13 AM
I have mine set like this:

mg = 350m
cannon = 400m

I do this for a few reasons. first of all, I occassionally "snipe" at longer ranges when the conditions allow for a reasonable chance to hit. Ususally all it takes is one or two hits on that FW wing to slow them down enough for me to get closer. Also, if they're running away from me and I land a quick long-range strike the typical response it to start turning or at least a break to one side or the other again,allowing me to close.

My reasoning is also that if my guns are wing-mounted and set for any convergence at all then in some snap-shooting instances I stand a greater chance to have some strikes even though there may not be a concentrated cone of fire.

It really depends on your flying style and what "your rules of engagement are". There isn't a Magical setting for convergence that will allow you a higher strike %, rather you need to set your convergence to suit your style and accept lower hit % if you fly outside that style.


TB

AFJ_Skyghost
03-15-2005, 09:22 AM
I m a spit driver I use my machine guns set at 100 mtrs and my cannons 150 and works fine for me.
But I am slightly shortsighted so I need to get real close to get a kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <---- blind like a bat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fliegeroffizier
03-15-2005, 10:52 AM
MG=175 meters
Cannon 130 meters

Chivas
03-15-2005, 11:34 AM
In a 109 you gotta get close for a quick kill with the 108 or he will be able to outrun or outturn you depending on his aircraft. Once your out of 108's, run for home, because the 13mm will just wake your opponant up to your presence. You can get a kill with the 13mm but it will take far too long, giving his wingman a chance to set you up.

In a P51 and Spit you can set a longer convergence, just remember for best results not to shoot until you are exactly in your convergence distance . Most people fire to soon.

My only pet peeve with this game is the ability of aircraft with huge holes in their wings and a smoking engine can still do 500+k. So you must take your time and get a killing shot in the first burst.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-15-2005, 11:37 AM
200 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

73GIAP_Milan
03-15-2005, 12:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It depends a bit on what plane i'm driving..

if i take the LA5FN (my favo) i set it to 100M, 120M or 150M, where 100M was my absolute lowest but wanted to have it on 80M.. this also depended on my mood and style of the time i took into the air..
With 100M convergence you can shred stuff very well with nose mounted guns, i don't know on wing mounted guns though..

When i take the Fw190A5 i set it to 400 or even 500M as suggested by multiple ppl around here, and it works fine too - i hit alot!

Sometimes i put myself into the I-16 and P39 too and then set convergence for the MG's to 200M and the P39 cannon, well..dunno, i can't seem to hit anything with it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif with 100M i miss and the default makes me miss even more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GUARD4000
03-15-2005, 01:16 PM
FatboyHK,I have tried 200m,150m and 100m before.Those short convergence are really great when u shoot turning targets in convergence range.Sometimes u just feel that u are using a mk108.After a short burst u can see a 109 lose his tail or a 190 lose his wing.But soon i found something not so good.
1)if those targets dont turn,the result wont be that good.Sometimes the 190 can still flying after u put 100+ hits on him.
2)short convergences are good only when u open fire in close range.It means killing runners,bombers and ground targets are much more difficult.
3)some enemy will learn that u only open fire when u are close.That will give them many options when they see u on their 6.

After that i realised that i am limited by the convergence.This should not happen.I get 6 high rate of fire MGs and a lot ammo and what i should do is just shooting the enemy since i see their IDs and dont stop until they die.Now the enemy have a big problem,because they simply cant except that u wont open fire when u dont get a perfect chance.

And u know what?my current convergence is 1000m.It works.Doras get killed when they are outrunning me,and 109s lost their controlsurfaces BEFORE they begin a defensive move.Sometimes i can kill a He111 in one pass.And I learn one thing:it dosent matter how many hits u put on the enemy,or even it dosent matter how many hits u put on one spot.What matters is where u put those hits on.

NorrisMcWhirter
03-15-2005, 01:23 PM
Hi,

Never more than 250m. Typically, 175m or 200m.

I think Guard made a reasonable post, too. I know someone who uses 1000m for convergence and they do more than alright.

Cheers,
Norris

Billy_BigBoy
03-15-2005, 03:19 PM
Yes, I've used settings of 100 meters, they are a real blast, but useless against fast late-WWII aircraft. That's why I usually have these setings:
MG 250 meters
Cannon 150 meters

TriggerHappy57
03-15-2005, 03:40 PM
In my P47D

Air to air: 210&190
Air to Ground: 400&300

Sorta like a shotgun effect.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Aaron_GT
03-15-2005, 03:52 PM
Everything set AT 150 here.

geetarman
03-15-2005, 06:09 PM
on my mustang, i set convergence to match the default range of my acemaker sight - 160-170 meters.

ImpStarDuece
03-15-2005, 06:23 PM
On my P-47;

Low alt; 175 and 165
High Alt; 255 and 265
Ground attack; both at 275

On Spitfire with .303s
Cannon; 200
.303s; 155

On Spitfire with .50s
Cannon; 200
.50s; 250

On Hurricane IIb
175m

On Hurricane IIc
200/220 or 275m mostly depending on the speed of my enemy

I mostly fly B'n'Z so I like suprise and late firing times. I am also an appaling shot so I use close convergences and in your face distances to make sure I maximise lead on target.

Cannon armed aircraft I am more willing to increase convergence so that I can hit from further out and engage in E style fighting as I really can't get into turn and burn.

Philipscdrw
03-15-2005, 06:44 PM
Hmm, I've been flying at 300/400 - but that's because until recently I've only been flying offline, mainly QMB, which means bombers and tanks. And long-range fire is most effective against both. I'll play with shorter convergence next time on HL...

FatBoyHK
03-15-2005, 09:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GUARD4000:
FatboyHK,I have tried 200m,150m and 100m before.Those short convergence are really great when u shoot turning targets in convergence range.Sometimes u just feel that u are using a mk108.After a short burst u can see a 109 lose his tail or a 190 lose his wing.But soon i found something not so good.
1)if those targets dont turn,the result wont be that good.Sometimes the 190 can still flying after u put 100+ hits on him.
2)short convergences are good only when u open fire in close range.It means killing runners,bombers and ground targets are much more difficult.
3)some enemy will learn that u only open fire when u are close.That will give them many options when they see u on their 6.

After that i realised that i am limited by the convergence.This should not happen.I get 6 high rate of fire MGs and a lot ammo and what i should do is just shooting the enemy since i see their IDs and dont stop until they die.Now the enemy have a big problem,because they simply cant except that u wont open fire when u dont get a perfect chance.

And u know what?my current convergence is 1000m.It works.Doras get killed when they are outrunning me,and 109s lost their controlsurfaces BEFORE they begin a defensive move.Sometimes i can kill a He111 in one pass.And I learn one thing:it dosent matter how many hits u put on the enemy,or even it dosent matter how many hits u put on one spot.What matters is where u put those hits on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seem a longer convergence really suit your style..... If so, then I think a shorter convergence would suit my style better, because:

1. It won't open fire unless I am sure. I like to make the most out of an opporunity

2. I am really worried about attracting too much attention, no matter it is hostile or friendly, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif Seem that, everytime I shoot more than 2 seconds, planes from both sides would come in almost immediately, as if we are honey and they are bees http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

3. I don't go after runners

4. Against bomber I like the textbook high-side attack, instead of shooting at its six at max range. It is actually less risky IMO, and much more fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but, the ability to kill a bomber in one pass is very attractive.... may be I should give it a try when I see there are several bombers on the player list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

GUARD4000
03-16-2005, 05:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GUARD4000:
FatboyHK,I have tried 200m,150m and 100m before.Those short convergence are really great when u shoot turning targets in convergence range.Sometimes u just feel that u are using a mk108.After a short burst u can see a 109 lose his tail or a 190 lose his wing.But soon i found something not so good.
1)if those targets dont turn,the result wont be that good.Sometimes the 190 can still flying after u put 100+ hits on him.
2)short convergences are good only when u open fire in close range.It means killing runners,bombers and ground targets are much more difficult.
3)some enemy will learn that u only open fire when u are close.That will give them many options when they see u on their 6.

After that i realised that i am limited by the convergence.This should not happen.I get 6 high rate of fire MGs and a lot ammo and what i should do is just shooting the enemy since i see their IDs and dont stop until they die.Now the enemy have a big problem,because they simply cant except that u wont open fire when u dont get a perfect chance.

And u know what?my current convergence is 1000m.It works.Doras get killed when they are outrunning me,and 109s lost their controlsurfaces BEFORE they begin a defensive move.Sometimes i can kill a He111 in one pass.And I learn one thing:it dosent matter how many hits u put on the enemy,or even it dosent matter how many hits u put on one spot.What matters is where u put those hits on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seem a longer convergence really suit your style..... If so, then I think a shorter convergence would suit my style better, because:

1. It won't open fire unless I am sure. I like to make the most out of an opporunity

2. I am really worried about attracting too much attention, no matter it is hostile or friendly, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif Seem that, everytime I shoot more than 2 seconds, planes from both sides would come in almost immediately, as if we are honey and they are bees http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

3. I don't go after runners

4. Against bomber I like the textbook high-side attack, instead of shooting at its six at max range. It is actually less risky IMO, and much more fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but, the ability to kill a bomber in one pass is very attractive.... may be I should give it a try when I see there are several bombers on the player list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1)It is ok as long as u are not waiting for convergence range,or u are limited by that.

2)75 rounds per sec,with your current hitrate 6%,u can put about 9 hits on the target by 2 seconds burst.That is enough to give u a messege "enemy aircraft destroyed" after they rtb if they are shot down by someone else,but often not enough to bring them down unless u are lucky or very accurate(i mean u can hit the spot u want).But who knows?It is a problem about different tastes.I dont want that messege,I dont want that 100 points,I want the enemy die,because I am real aggressive.

3)Runners?I guess there are more runners on WC than any where else.It is ok,it is nothing wrong if people run for their lives.But if they think they can come and shoot someone unlucky(
for example those who dont check their six often enough or just are landing)and run away easily,they are wrong.They should prepare to die.They should even bail out before i open fire,because their chance to get killed when bailing out is huge after i start sending 75 rounds per second to them.Bullets have no eyes.

4)high-side-attack takes too long.The mission is to kill the bombers before they drop bombs.If they hit those targets,our mission is failed even if we kill those bomber later.

FatBoyHK
03-16-2005, 08:59 AM
I think I am not limited by the convergence setting. I make my judgement about what is the best time to shoot... range, angle, convergence, closure rate, relative energy, tactical situation, current reaction of my enemy, his opinions, etc etc, all are being taken into account.

I just did some serious testing offline, and I found that my shooting habbit has changed.... In my offline age I start shooting at 200m, and therefore I have been using it as my convergence setting till today.... But now, I start shooting at 175m in a BnZ attack, and as close as 100m in a high deflection snapshot (my favorite tactic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif)....Therefore I think I would give 150m a serious try http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes we are in different taste, You have no fear of whatsoever, haha, several time I wing with you, when I think you have already finished someone, and should disenegage back to altitute, you decided instead to keep shooting until he crash or hit the silk... haha, it is lucky for many of us that you are a red player :P and it is good for me too, because you can attract other unaware enemy to your six in no time, thus give me some instant fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

about the highside attack, I think it is a realistic way to do against bombers. If he doesn't evase, he will die soon enough. If he does evase, he can't hit his target. Therefore It is not a problem... It is also not a problem if I need to much time to kill it.... Usually more than a handful of buddies will pop on in no time once I initiated an attack on a bomber http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif IIRC I have only killed 5 bombers in my whole time on WC, only two of them are done all by myself http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

GUARD4000
03-16-2005, 01:47 PM
U can take all those things into account?Cool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifI dont have the ability.I need much to learn. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

And about offline testings,I really doubt how much they can tell.Those AIs' flying is far different from those guys on WC.But anyway I think u should try 150m since u open fire in close range.A try wont harm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Am I fearless? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No,I am always afraid of not getting better.I just started playing online a couple of months ago and right now i am not good.I really fear that one day I stop improving my skills.

high-side-attack can sometimes kill the pilots.But many bomber drivers know that they should hit "C" key to change their positions so they may avoid those bullets.Btw at least 10 He111s are victims of my one-pass-attacks on WC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

tagTaken2
03-16-2005, 04:34 PM
Huh.

Tried 100m last night, and think this might be the key, was flaming/tearing off wings almost every time. Lousy at close/mid/long range shooting, so if I get in one quick burst, I want it to count.

darkhorizon11
03-16-2005, 05:03 PM
If I'm flying bomber intercept in my 262 or Spitfire I set it high so I don't have to get too as close for max effectiveness.

If I'm going after fighters I set it too 100 meteres. As close as possible I don't mess around taking pot shots I get up real close and dont' givem a chance to react. Its ruthless but effective, just like war.

FatBoyHK
03-16-2005, 11:41 PM
ha, Guard, don't worry, the advantage you have is that you have a lot of spare time to fly, you can play almost every night (make my envy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif) practice made perfect you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jagdklinger
03-17-2005, 04:04 AM
I used to have everything set @150m. However, I found I was limiting myself in shooting opportunities - have recently upped it to 200mg/250cannon. Actually, I am doing worse, as I had learned to 'lob' cannon shells ahead, and now I am allowing waaay to much deflection.
Still, 75% of my kills come from under 150m snap shots (God bless the Mk108)....

JG54_Arnie
03-17-2005, 04:12 AM
Mine is set at 225 for a long time now and I use it with everthing. Works fine. Its just enough to be able to do a longer range shot sometimes, which for me is 300-400 meters, and close range anything is gonna die anyways. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dont really understand people thinking they can take out targets beyond 400 meters btw, sounds like a huge waste of ammo if you ask me. Its a pity this game encourages it somewhat though as bullets fly straight on for way too long? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Werre_Fsck
03-17-2005, 11:42 AM
For nose mounted it does not do much difference (109)

For wing mounted it seems that if you shoot from 100m it's better to have convergence at 200m. Heard this tip from a squadmate and it seems to hold water.

Plus the minor thing that when using high convergence you get tiny extra bit of lead in turnfights.

I keep mine at 200m now, all planes all weapons. I start shooting from close, OR try crazy deflection shots at every opportunity with MG only to preserve cannon ammo.

GAU-8
03-17-2005, 01:20 PM
I keep my convergance at 100 m on all guns/cannons. i like upclose. its nice and personal.