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papotex
12-04-2007, 10:10 PM
for those who just watched the episode of dogfights in the history channel......

what an incredible move that candelaria guy did on that 109 pilot and pumped some bullets while he was at it...... WOW

PenGs
12-04-2007, 10:17 PM
The one where he cut off his power and hit the rudder hard? That was awesome and I'd love to learn that in IL2.

berg417448
12-04-2007, 10:19 PM
He was losing the fight...Candelara even said "He was making a fool out of me." The 109 was out turning him and outmaneuvering him. A desperate time required a desperate move and it worked for him.

BSS_Vidar
12-04-2007, 10:31 PM
Don't bother trying to do that maneuver in-game. The Criticle AOA (Angle-of-Attack) modeled into the Pony is too narrow. You'll depart way before you'll be able to execute it. It's also the reason you can not turn inside a 109 like you're suppose to.

He was being out flown all right, but that manuever was not a piece of luck. In this episode, two pilots used it effectively.

Anyone wondering about the power of the 50's in-game now? Two Brownings with just over 100 rounds left in each side splinters a 109. There's no way you'll ever see that in-game... The API is missing - STILL.


NOTE: no wing shreding with the drastic high-speed G manuever either.

V

papotex
12-04-2007, 11:27 PM
i wonder if in BOB well be able to tweak the FM
with a fidelity such as that..... if only for offliners

Swivet
12-05-2007, 12:54 AM
notice how the mustang pilot only squeezed off one burst and that 109 exploded in flames."overmodelled" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But i never knew that particular mustang had mirrors, that looked like lil ears/antennea on top of the canopy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

TC_Stele
12-05-2007, 01:34 AM
I've tried that maneuver with other planes without luck; I don't think IL2 can model something like that, as far as I know. I was blown away by that maneuver though. Never saw it coming.

horseback
12-05-2007, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by Swivet:
notice how the mustang pilot only squeezed off one burst and that 109 exploded in flames."overmodelled" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But i never knew that particular mustang had mirrors, that looked like lil ears/antennea on top of the canopy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif From your description, it sounds like the rearview mirrors were standard Spitfire rearview mirrors, which were highly prized by the 8th & 9th Fighter Commands' pilots. The practice appears to have started with P-47s from the 4th FG, which flew Spit Vbs before transitioning to Jugs in March-April of 1943.

Apparently a few guys snagged the mirrors off their former rides and replaced the rather mundane rearview mirrors on the razorback P-47s as a sort of fashion statement. The practice reached epidemic proportions with the introduction of the bubbletop ponies, when the dual mirror installation proved to be as practical as it was snazzy.

As a bonus, the trade in excess mirrors (and the superior British spark plugs) from 'pranged' Spits kept RAF fitters with decent American tobacco and their girlfriends in nylons...

Once again, Capitalism (properly applied) benefits everyone who uses it!

cheers

horseback

stansdds
12-05-2007, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by papotex:
i wonder if in BOB well be able to tweak the FM
with a fidelity such as that..... if only for offliners

No.

Bearcat99
12-05-2007, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by stansdds:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by papotex:
i wonder if in BOB well be able to tweak the FM
with a fidelity such as that..... if only for offliners

No. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope not.. since now there is no sim whose FMs are unalterable I would like to see there be at least one on the market where you can rest assured that the integrity of the individual FMs is not in question.

foxyboy1964
12-05-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I hope not.. since now there is no sim whose FMs are unalterable I would like to see there be at least one on the market where you can rest assured that the integrity of the individual FMs is not in question.

Didn't Oleg say the FM would be tweakable for offline play?

Sergio_101
12-05-2007, 10:49 AM
The power back and rudder slam trick was described
by more than those two
as a trick to shake a German off your tail.
It appears it was well known.
Trouble is you might have to do a spin recovery under enemy fire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As to the wing failures.
There were landing gear door up lock failures
known on P-51A through late P-51B aircraft.
At high G maneuvers the up lock could release
and cause an over stress tearing a wing off.
It did happen a few times untill the up lock was
re-designed and all P-51s were retrofitted.

P-51 wings were VERY strong.

So were P-80 wings.

That a .50 caliber hit could shatter an engine
is not modeled in IL-2.
Soviet 12.7MM are roughly a ballistic equal
of the US .50, and they are modeled VERY differently.
The soviet 12.7MM will devestate an enemy plane in IL-2.
It is NOT a limitation of the game engine.

US guns are modeled like BB guns.
US planes underperform and have weak airframes.

Soviet planes are super performers. Strong airframes.
Soviet guns are magical in their killing power.

Go figure.

Sergio

BSS_Vidar
12-05-2007, 12:53 PM
Ya gotta love the INTERESTING fact that he first engaged 2 Me-262's knocking one out and getting HIT by 30mmHE rounds by the wingman and didn't MAGICALY evaporate in a cloud of fire - but lived to down 4 Me-109s afterwards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I've allways said the German ammo was a bit over-zelous with it's hitting power in-game.

V

Luke5skywalker4
12-05-2007, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:
Ya gotta love the INTERESTING fact that he first engaged 2 Me-262's knocking one out and getting HIT by 30mmHE rounds by the wingman and didn't MAGICALY evaporate in a cloud of fire - but lived to down 4 Me-109s afterwards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I've allways said the German ammo was a bit over-zelous with it's hitting power in-game.

V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPWlYhfhLrI

British firing trial of german 30mm Mine-Geschoss round from Mk.108 cannon. Distance 100 yards, direct astern.


I had quite the opposite reaction when watching this episode. It was the one occasion I decided to view it, since I rarely watch Dogfights. That is all.

papotex
12-05-2007, 02:23 PM
yes, i thought i read oleg would allow FM tweaking for offline play only.

if in BoB they are gona add a rather complex FM to satisfy an acrobatic plane, one would assume these
kind of FMs would be possible heh>?

VW-IceFire
12-05-2007, 04:40 PM
The complex FM For the Su-26 is the same FM thats going to be used with the other planes. I think the idea was that since part of his team were engineers that worked on the Su-26 that they would take their knowledge and data and use that to fine tune the FM and use that to base the historical aircraft on. Sounds like a good idea to me.