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crazyivan1970
01-31-2007, 09:55 AM
I would like to know your opinion guys on this one. We can close Pacific Fighters forum and replace it with Storm of War forum, which is needed in my opinion. So... vote away.

AWL_Spinner
01-31-2007, 09:59 AM
We still have a Pacific Fighters forum?

Yes, ditch it. SimHQ are showing us up, they've been flaunting a SoW forum for months.

Regards, Spinner

Sharpe26
01-31-2007, 10:27 AM
I hate to point this out, Ivan, but shouldn't such a forum have been up the moment SOW was announced?

crazyivan1970
01-31-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Sharpe26:
I hate to point this out, Ivan, but shouldn't such a forum have been up the moment SOW was announced?

I agree, it should...

avimimus
01-31-2007, 10:41 AM
IT is time for Bob's SOW to get a forum!

I am not so sure about ditching the PF forum though...

I am worried about it becoming slightly harder to avoid those few "Ameriwhiners":

The whole "who cares about Russia's first jet aircraft, the Pe-2 etc." but "I want "X" late war American prototype"... thing I find offensive.

I know it is only a small minority, but it doesn't take more than a couple of people with a sense of entitlement to act very disrespectfully.

Especially considering Eastern European casualties in WWII they have a right to their own sim (after all it is Oleg's team that built it!)

Let's live in peace and give each other some room? Or is it better for us to be forced to listen?

My 1.78 cents U.S.

avimimus
01-31-2007, 10:46 AM
Oh, and the thing I find offensive is saying "who cares about..." it is fine to ask for F9Fs etc., I am for that, we should all dream (and it often comes true with Oleg and crew)...

Maybe we should have a PTO forum and an Eastern Front forum (and add an ETO and an MTO forum as SOW is developed)?

FritzGryphon
01-31-2007, 11:08 AM
Few play PF anymore, and it has the same kind of topics as in general discussion. Totally redundant.

Whiners aren't confined to one forum, despite how we all might want that.

On that topic, I wish mods would hold everyone to higher standards of behavior. I understand you don't have all day to preen the forum, but too many argumentative, abusive or deliberately misleading posts are allowed.

strider1
01-31-2007, 11:28 AM
I have found much info in the PF forum on Pacific aircraft, match-ups, etc. that doesn't appear in other forums. May we not have both PF and SOW? Cheers, Gents. Strider1

BrewsterPilot
01-31-2007, 01:27 PM
Just keep the new SoW:BoB forum locked away from Bremsie... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

TheGozr
01-31-2007, 01:57 PM
Time to quit PF lets merge.

Monty_Thrud
01-31-2007, 02:51 PM
I still feel there should be an Axis and Allies forum for SOW but yes merge PF and IL2 when the final patch comes out.


...oh and give Josf his own forum too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-31-2007, 03:02 PM
I don't understand why some posters feel they can't post in the GD forum because they're some sort of self-proclaimed purist and that without a PTO-specific forum, they'd be losing out on something.

I go to both and post freely regarding all aspects relevant to the thread. I see no need for seperate forums myself, but voted "I don't care" because I'll look at them all either way.


TB

carguy_
01-31-2007, 04:56 PM
YES,and I`d like to have my posts back from that forum.My post was like 6th in it DON`T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME!

ElAurens
01-31-2007, 05:04 PM
Merge PF with GD and give SoW:BoB it's own home.

BTW, I want every plane that ever flew in WW2, no matter the side.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DHC2Pilot
01-31-2007, 05:22 PM
I say close the forum to any further posts, but keep it available for reference. There is quite a bit of useful information tucked away in there amongst the whining. It certainly isn't hurting anything by being there IMHO (Unless UbiSoft is running short on server space, which I can guarantee they are not).

RCAF_Irish_403
01-31-2007, 06:54 PM
merge the two forums

LEBillfish
01-31-2007, 08:32 PM
Sure, dump it..............Just start controlling General Discussion as well as here please.

Between the two forums of GD & PF, this one by FAR has been the better of the two to hold discussions where deliberately disruptive antics were not tolerated by the members.....There are a LOT of good informative threads here, sadly some like the various plane threads, discussion on area's and such will be lost, (my fav's Ki-61 fact myth/4th Koukuugun vs. 5th AF/Quiz thread) yet the quiz thread is already 1/10th what it was from the crash.

So go for it, just please silence those in GP that will either trounce on any Pacific discussion as it's not their thing, or deliberately disrupt threads for their all important fool/post/attention post counts.

Beuf_Ninja
01-31-2007, 08:34 PM
I never understood the PF forum. In terms of sales and marketing it would have been better to expose PF_standalone customers to the fact that PF was a small part of a rich heritage thus drawing them to purchase FB&AEP. Now with 46 available a Grand Unified Theory of IL2 is more appropriate. Unite the clans.

Beuf_Ninja
01-31-2007, 08:36 PM
OMG I lost 450 worthless comments in the crash.

Nimits
01-31-2007, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by avimimus:
I am not so sure about ditching the PF forum though...

I am worried about it becoming slightly harder to avoid those few "Ameriwhiners":

The whole "who cares about Russia's first jet aircraft, the Pe-2 etc." but "I want "X" late war American prototype"... thing I find offensive.

I know it is only a small minority, but it doesn't take more than a couple of people with a sense of entitlement to act very disrespectfully.

Especially considering Eastern European casualties in WWII they have a right to their own sim (after all it is Oleg's team that built it!)


I would like to keep the Pacific Fighters forum open for the mirror image of the reasons above. Too many posters in GD talk endlessly about Luftwaffe and VVS aircraft, but mention problems with American or Japanese aircraft or gaping holes in the plane and ship set, and you are met with cries of "no one's interested in the Pacific War," "the Russian Front is the only part of the war that mattered" and "who cares about American planes, I only fly La-5s and Bf-109s."

PS. I am not aware of any widely accepted computer game-to-casualty ratio . . . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Feathered_IV
01-31-2007, 11:45 PM
And add an off-liners forum, as recently suggested in another thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

JG52Uther
02-01-2007, 02:33 AM
Yes we are long overdue for a SoW forum.

Akronnick
02-01-2007, 03:57 AM
Pacific Fighters is so 2004. seeing as how it is now 2007, merge it into GD.

stansdds
02-01-2007, 04:24 AM
Since development of the Pacific side of this sim stopped a long time ago and the focus is again on the Eastern Front, I think the Pacific forum should be locked and archived so it can be viewed, but no further posts added.

leitmotiv
02-01-2007, 04:52 AM
PAC FIGHTERS was not Oleg's finest hour---best to forget it---bung the forum, bring on one for BOB, and, at least, have a sticky for off-liners. It's a new day!

koivis
02-01-2007, 05:25 AM
Just delete it, but move the "PTO/S.E. Asia WWII AirCombat Quiz Thread" first into somewhere safe place please. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
02-01-2007, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Sure, dump it..............Just start controlling General Discussion as well as here please.

Between the two forums of GD & PF, this one by FAR has been the better of the two to hold discussions where deliberately disruptive antics were not tolerated by the members.....There are a LOT of good informative threads here, sadly some like the various plane threads, discussion on area's and such will be lost, (my fav's Ki-61 fact myth/4th Koukuugun vs. 5th AF/Quiz thread) yet the quiz thread is already 1/10th what it was from the crash.

So go for it, just please silence those in GP that will either trounce on any Pacific discussion as it's not their thing, or deliberately disrupt threads for their all important fool/post/attention post counts.

Thats because a lot of the trouble makers just don't stir the pot over here. The same mods who moderate the GD moderate this one.

BrotherVoodoo
02-01-2007, 09:21 AM
Ditch the PF forum is my vote also. However....will the existing PF posts be rolled into the GF? Would hate to loose good information...again.

SeaFireLIV
02-01-2007, 09:48 AM
I`ll probabaly get a few slaps around the face for this, but I think it`s quite important for the meaning of the word in your question:

"Would you like to get read of Pacific Fighters forum and replace it with Storm of War forum?"

It should be `rid` instead of `read`.

As to the question, yes. We should get rid of it, but I think we should wait and see what our US brothers think since they probably frequent the Pf forum more...

FritzGryphon
02-01-2007, 09:52 AM
The people have spoken. Kill it, kill it now, before it's too late!

crazyivan1970
02-01-2007, 11:10 AM
Ty heads-up SeaFire, but "get read" cannot be corrected. It will reset the poll results.

p.s. Keep in mind, english my second language http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Diablo310th
02-01-2007, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Merge PF with GD and give SoW:BoB it's own home.

BTW, I want every plane that ever flew in WW2, no matter the side.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

BrewsterPilot
02-01-2007, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
p.s. Keep in mind, english my second language http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tut tut, that ain't an excuse... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif
English is my third language. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-01-2007, 01:30 PM
I keep wondering, why does UBI drop the forums one after another and bring them back online? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Willey
02-01-2007, 03:32 PM
Merge GD & PF, add SoW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Spinnetti
02-01-2007, 06:54 PM
I think there should be ONE forum for the IL-2 series combined, or one for everthing up to BOB, and a separate one for that... any further fragmentation is just confusing. I've been trying to get friends into this, and just all the add-ons have them baffled much less the messy UBI site.

Snootles
02-01-2007, 08:22 PM
It's about time for a BoB forum. I'll miss the PF forum, but no harm at all in just making that part of GD, eh?

Polyperhon
02-02-2007, 05:09 AM
I wonder why a new forum is necessary, apart from the fact like UBI highlights that PF is the past and BOB the future.Is such problem to just add new logos to the existing forum? I wonder why they have this fixation with breaking up with they had built up so far. The continuity and the gradual built-up of the IL-2 series has always been its strongest point.Creating a successor that will put in the recycle bin the IL-2 might sound a good idea to the minds of the UBI Management, but my opinion is that it will be a commercial boomerang.
FritzGryphon wrote that few play PF anymore,I am not so sure if he meant just the original unmerged PF, or all the IL-2 series.Well I still see online servers of 1.22 version!If out there are still people that are happy with 1.22,then be sure that you do something wrong.Remember that when IL-2 appeared it needed a "strong" computer for its time and there are people out there that are still complaining the 4.071m can push their computers on their limits on some missions.Computer technology hasn't advanced that much to offer a flying sim that would be significantly better than IL-2,unless you go into the very upper scale of today's home systems.
I think you took the wrong way after 4.04m.There is so flight sim today that covers the exciting 1945-1970 years (wings over vietnam the only exception)and there was a market which you could exploit with a lot of success(=sales).You could have wait for another couple of years until present a real successor for the IL-2, which by that it will be really dated and as far as I know from hardware developments, you will be able to other something much better that what actual BOB is meant to be if you go for a two-year delay.

joeap
02-02-2007, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Merge PF with GD and give SoW:BoB it's own home.

BTW, I want every plane that ever flew in WW2, no matter the side.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I have a merged install, oh and people talk about the PF forum as if it were only for US planes and why they don't want more Amiwhines here, what about the Japanese? Everyone forgets that. I hope to see more Japanese plane threads in the GD.

x6BL_Brando
02-02-2007, 06:35 AM
I don't see the scramble to put down the PF forum - unless it's not possible to have a SoW forum without removing the PF one. I'm a long-termer, having started with Sturmo and carried on right up to '46, but I can still see that there are a fair number of PF-standaloners around. Why should we be denying them their very own backyard after such a relativvely short time. So that we can have a forum for a sim that hasn't even arrived yet? I don't see the logic.

The other issue, more important imo, is post exposure. The front-page of each forum has only a limited number of slots, so combining forae is only going to push peoples' questions off the front page more quickly. People who don't understand the arcane art of 'bumpage' will be missing out on help. Regulars in the GD may find the same irritating situation comes up.

While I'd recommend everyone to upgrade to the merged version (just because it is way better), not everyone will want to do that. So we'd be cutting off PF-only fans from their unique slot after only a couple of years - does that seem fair?

Let's face it, SoW:BoB is going to be a very different sim, if only because it's a new engine and so on, and will deserve a whole new set of forae when it comes. Or do you think that the FB forae should be closed down after the release of BoB? Of course not, and it's only fair to respect the Pacific crowd in the same way.

If it's not possible to wedge in another forum - so that people here can go and rabbit about something they dont even have - then that lack is the REAL problem.

B.

triad773
02-02-2007, 11:53 AM
Yeah there are some good ideas here: seperate threads for off- or onliners, PTO and ETO threads.

Maybe have PacFighters as some sort of unpostable, but searchable archive?

Since getting my 46' from GoGamer, I heven't had any reason to crank up PF.

My .02

Cheers

Triad

TheGozr
02-02-2007, 01:06 PM
So you'll merge in "Two weeks" ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Markku38
02-04-2007, 05:52 AM
Put GD + PF forums together and open SoW:BoB forum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

lowfighter
02-04-2007, 12:54 PM
I would say: keep it or create a PTO forum. And yes, this forum is less dynamic than the GD, but also orders of magnitude more civil. You feel here more the things which unite us than those which divide us.

Ah I see, it's either PF or SoW. Is it hard to have both?

VFS-214_Hawk
02-04-2007, 03:12 PM
Why is there a General Discussion forum and a Pacific Fighters forum? I seldom visit the General Forum since it mostly caters to the ETO. There is nothing wrong with that. I just don't have an interests in the ETO right now.

I myself would like to see an ETO forum and a PTO forum but identified as the European Theater of Operations Forum and the Pacific Theater of Operations Forum.

furyan65
02-04-2007, 07:03 PM
First of all whats Storms of War?? and No PF forums awesome, leave it already. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

toastfrenzy
02-05-2007, 01:47 AM
Let it go.....

Heavy_Weather
02-05-2007, 03:10 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Tuba2004
02-05-2007, 09:32 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif That was what I was wondering. How do you have much discussion about something that is months away from release? Other than requests and wishing lists.

DarkWingDuck...
02-06-2007, 02:34 AM
Argh wassup

DarkWingDuck...
02-06-2007, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by DarkWingDuck...:
I have no interest in american-japenese stuff, but
I agree with brando........seems silly to can a current sub-forum just to fit in a forum for an upcoming sim, though I appreciate that UBI would like it that way (creating interest/hysteria for an upcoming product is good marketing)

DarkWingDuck...
02-06-2007, 02:35 AM
fecking forum glitch got me

RxMan
02-06-2007, 06:57 AM
Leave it and ADD a 1946 Forum, stat

Rab03
02-06-2007, 09:50 AM
I voted Yes, but have to explain my opinion (Ivan, please read).
I never understood the reason for Pacific fighters forum, because all other forums dealt with Pacific Fighters (which is logical if you co9nsider it as an expansion of an original Il-2FB, which most visitors do). Maybe it would be best if it's renamed to PF stand alone forum and if it deals with specific issues that owners of stand alone installation of PF have.

Regards!

VPF_Jetdoc
02-06-2007, 12:32 PM
I am worried about it becoming slightly harder to avoid those few "Ameriwhiners":
I am so sorry that us few Americans have to be called "Ameriwhiners" I for one am Proud to be American if it was not for the Americans coming to the aid to alot of Allies before we entered the War and suppied men,equipment,planes,ships and tons of raw material I guess no one remenbers that but you are quick to kick us in teeth with comments like that

major_setback
02-06-2007, 03:20 PM
Dump it. Time to push ahead, and SoW:Bob needs some pushing!
BoB: Less than a year to release; and badly in need of some high grade promotion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

FA_Retro-Burn
02-07-2007, 08:14 AM
Maybe rename the forum to Pacific Theater and add a European one. We can strip the ready room down to official messages. I see IL2 to be around for many more years. You can tell there is a split between theaters. Means more moderation though...

Bearcat99
02-07-2007, 02:21 PM
I say close the PF forum and archive the files in it.... keep the GD forum. That would encompass the entire series. This ETO PTO stuff is a waste of time. Open up a BoB forum 30 days prior too release.... after all... to open up a forum on a product that hasnt even been released yet.... and wont be for another 10 months or so at least is a waste of resources and modpower.

furyan65
02-07-2007, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by VPF_Jetdoc:

I am so sorry that us few Americans have to be called "Ameriwhiners" I for one am Proud to be American if it was not for the Americans coming to the aid to alot of Allies before we entered the War and suppied men,equipment,planes,ships and tons of raw material I guess no one remenbers that but you are quick to kick us in teeth with comments like that

---Well seeing the yanks turned up late for the last two major wars.. maybe theyre now making up for it by starting the rest!!??
Anyway, I have a deep respect for all those poor sods storming Omaha (and all the other guys that day, paras, Canadians, Brits..) and always will. But the U.S. did have it 'easy' in WW2 as in not having their loved ones at home bombed, tortured, missing never to be seen again.. U.S. factories intact to help the world out.. its just the way it was at that time. You were very lucky. Peace.

sakai2005
02-07-2007, 05:21 PM
crazyivan1970

Ivan the
*Terrible*
Moderator


Posted Wed August 02 2006 11:47 Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by sakai2005:
sounds like a years worth of work yet to be done to me.


Not that long. November of 2006 sounded un-realistic and IMO anouncement was rushed. Me thinks that BOB will see teh daylight in mid 2007.

V!
Regards,


do you still think mid 2007? I think its still early to drop the pf forum.

MEGILE
02-07-2007, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
and wont be for another 10 months or so at least is a waste of resources and modpower.

Disagree 100%

Organisations always open forums when a new product is announced, regardless of the time to release. SOW is an exception.

It allows users, especially new users to find a place where they can discuss the new product.

UBI has a history of this... the LOMAC forums were open around a year before the game was released.

FritzGryphon
02-07-2007, 11:45 PM
There's already plenty of BoB material to talk about. Planeset and feature list has been described in quite some detail, and lots of pictures.

But with no BoB forum, these threads drop off the page in a day.

Clannsman
02-09-2007, 01:08 AM
Am i missing something?
I cant find a SOW forum anywhere on the net!

F19_Orheim
02-09-2007, 03:07 AM
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=91&page=1

blankenship
02-09-2007, 08:08 AM
The pole numbers speak for themselves. PF is yesterday's news...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. It's all about SOW.

Crash_Moses
02-09-2007, 02:41 PM
Merge PF and GD but don't get rid of PF. It'll be a looooooooooong time before I give up my SBD...

S!

VFS-214_Hawk
02-09-2007, 05:48 PM
blooper

Xiolablu3
02-09-2007, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by avimimus:
I am not so sure about ditching the PF forum though...

I am worried about it becoming slightly harder to avoid those few "Ameriwhiners":

The whole "who cares about Russia's first jet aircraft, the Pe-2 etc." but "I want "X" late war American prototype"... thing I find offensive.

I know it is only a small minority, but it doesn't take more than a couple of people with a sense of entitlement to act very disrespectfully.

Especially considering Eastern European casualties in WWII they have a right to their own sim (after all it is Oleg's team that built it!)


I would like to keep the Pacific Fighters forum open for the mirror image of the reasons above. Too many posters in GD talk endlessly about Luftwaffe and VVS aircraft, but mention problems with American or Japanese aircraft or gaping holes in the plane and ship set, and you are met with cries of "no one's interested in the Pacific War," "the Russian Front is the only part of the war that mattered" and "who cares about American planes, I only fly La-5s and Bf-109s."
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have NEVER EVER seen this said in General Discussion, and I have visted for years.

I HAVE seen lots of 'Who cares about the PE-2' posts

LEBillfish
02-10-2007, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I have NEVER EVER seen this said in General Discussion, and I have visted for years.

I HAVE seen lots of 'Who cares about the PE-2' posts

I have, in fact, mention anything Pacific in there for the longest time and 80% of the responses were "go back to your forum we don't want it here"......

See, I've been around too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DuxCorvan
02-11-2007, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Open up a BoB forum 30 days prior too release.... after all... to open up a forum on a product that hasnt even been released yet.... and wont be for another 10 months or so at least is a waste of resources and modpower.

Agreed. No BOB forum. Open a section in the main page for SoW:BoB updates... and give us our weekly Friday update, like in the good ol' times. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

major_setback
02-11-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I have NEVER EVER seen this said in General Discussion, and I have visted for years.

I HAVE seen lots of 'Who cares about the PE-2' posts

I have, in fact, mention anything Pacific in there for the longest time and 80% of the responses were "go back to your forum we don't want it here"......

See, I've been around too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You do realise what forum you're in don't you? now go back to where you belong!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

shinden1974
02-11-2007, 11:05 PM
Why even ask this, just do what you want and declare it. That's how everything else around here works.

If it were my way I'd close GD. Every relevant general thread having to with Il-2 is on simHQ anyway. GD is a spamfest.

Woodstock_69
02-12-2007, 02:24 AM
I think it's time for the official SOW BoB site with it's own forum. Take a look at fighterops.com their site is online although that sim is not ready before the end of this year...
Keep il-2 and Pacific Fighters site/ forum the way it is and start the official Sow BoB site.
Why not? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Chief1942
02-13-2007, 01:11 PM
Not sure why those who STILL enjoy PF standalone have to wade through so much IL2 stuff to get info relative to their sim? I do believe it is called Pacific fighters Forum for a reason.

crazyivan1970
02-13-2007, 05:39 PM
I am really puzzled here guys. Some of you almost sound like there is no place to go for those who owns PF stand alone or didnt go beyond 4.04m. Have you even looked at your "own" forum? I see less Pacific related stuff there then in GD. Needless to say there are tons of double posts, people post same topic in GD and PF so they will be heard. I still dont know WHY pacific fighters forum was EVEN created. This is one sim, 1 community and should be one forum. That simple. Please dont make it sound like someone is destroying the only home you have http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BrewsterPilot
02-13-2007, 09:43 PM
Why not just stop whining and press the delete button eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Those who only posted there, welcome to GD! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

klosmos
02-14-2007, 04:54 AM
so long suckers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

F19_Orheim
02-14-2007, 09:42 AM
just put us down.. with a syringe... so we don't know what happened http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chief1942
02-14-2007, 02:04 PM
OKay,
Did I make a mistake here? I have ubi.com/Forums/1C:Maddox Games/Pacific Fighters. I see a proposal to eliminate this forum on this forum in favor of BOB or 1946, both of which I have not a clue about. I do own IL2FB Gold Pack but it is on the shelf and never been on my hard drive. Were I to install it, I then would go to the forums specifically for that sim, not PF's forum.
Hey. I don't set up the forums. I simply purchased PF some time back and have been using it "standalone" ever since. I do appreciate the PF forums on the web in which I can get further info on this sim, especially the company that released it. Whether this forum or the one at SimHq, there is some redundancy but there is also some different info on each. Guess once we've become an "old sim" we don't warrant a forum.

VFS-214_Hawk
02-14-2007, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Chief1942:
......Guess once we've become an "old sim" we don't warrant a forum.

Thats the sound of it!

Most buyers of this sim dislike the Pacific anyway.

Tuba2004
02-14-2007, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chief1942:
......Guess once we've become an "old sim" we don't warrant a forum.

Thats the sound of it!

Most buyers of this sim dislike the Pacific anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well while I like, have learned and have enjoyed flying the Russian vs. German front my major interest is with the Pacific. I purchased Pacific Fighters to be able to land on carrier decks, experience the Japanese vs. U.S., English, etc. plane types, and do torpedo runs. This was to be the replacement for PAW and AOP with improved graphics and improvements that modern computer power would allow. While it is lamentable that only the first two of the above objectives have been possible I still am interested in this sim and its further development. To me it has often seemed that Pacific Fighters was treated as a bastard child of the IL2 family. One they wished had never seen the light of day. Therefore, they never had total interest in fully finishing or further expanding. Perhaps in the future some other group will be able to correct this.
The other thing I have never quite understood is if the European Theater only group found this form so distasteful why didn't they post on the other form. If that form contains too much back biting, etc. then clean it up so it is acceptable. Why would the Pacific Group be interested in being merged into a form whose own members even choose not to spend time with?

stansdds
02-15-2007, 04:09 AM
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VFS-214_Hawk
02-15-2007, 03:31 PM
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Monty_Thrud
02-15-2007, 03:57 PM
Well i believe PF was a fantastic Sim that i have, and am still enjoying( i love the carriers and ships and maps) its time to merge when the final patch comes out and the forum for BoB is ready, the traffic in GD is slowing, it will be very slow in PF.


...if people feel so strongly about a seperate forum and theres enough interest, maybe its time to set up your own, like on CWOS.

sentonal
02-15-2007, 07:02 PM
I fail to understand why an elimination of this forum is necessary to make room for an upcoming title.
Certainly a company with the server infrastructure of UBI can keep the small amount of storage required for this forum on a server. After all, hard disk space is CHEAP. Understanding bandwidth costs however, I can understand that only registered users would/should be able to view the content (thus making the marketing folks happy with Ad space). And not storing images on server is understandable.

Just seems to me, that for the overall cost, keeping the forum online KEEPS business, because UBI shows its loyalty to the customers that bought and actively use their previous title offerings. PLUS, People who just buy a dusty off a REAL old shelf copy Can do a search and can often find the answer to their question WITHOUT troubling the Help Desk. THAT REDUSES COSTS!!!!

MEGILE
02-17-2007, 03:17 PM
any word?

VFS-214_Hawk
02-17-2007, 03:56 PM
Here is where is gets interesting:

5,712 views

332 votes

217 against
115 for it or doesn't care either way

heywooood
02-17-2007, 09:10 PM
Hopefully in the next few years- there will be a real genuine PTO modeled in the SoW series.

One that will include the one or two little things that were missing in PF.

I guess an abreviated sim deserves an abreviated forum.

If you're going to close it, UBI then close it. Time to move on....besides all of us that bought the whole package (including PF)are in here so we might as well learn to get along.

Besides - the sooner its done - the sooner we will see a lisenced SoW: BoB forum begin, yes?

TAW_Oilburner
02-17-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Sure, dump it..............Just start controlling General Discussion as well as here please.

Between the two forums of GD & PF, this one by FAR has been the better of the two to hold discussions where deliberately disruptive antics were not tolerated by the members.....There are a LOT of good informative threads here, sadly some like the various plane threads, discussion on area's and such will be lost, (my fav's Ki-61 fact myth/4th Koukuugun vs. 5th AF/Quiz thread) yet the quiz thread is already 1/10th what it was from the crash.

So go for it, just please silence those in GP that will either trounce on any Pacific discussion as it's not their thing, or deliberately disrupt threads for their all important fool/post/attention post counts.

I agree. Those of us who's primary interest lies in the PTO are the red headed stepchildren in GD.

Chivas
02-18-2007, 12:07 AM
Looking at the content of each forum, I can see little difference between the Pacific Fighters and General FB forums. You could transfer questions from one forum to the other and nobody would notice the difference.
Its the same game engine with a small percentage of players having fewer aircraft and maps than the full merged game. I say combine them and lets move on to the SOW series, where FB and Pacific fighters will become just a fond memory. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

T_O_A_D
02-18-2007, 07:10 AM
Get rid of it, never saw the need for it.

But it should be merged over to the GD though, no since in loosing all the post.

VFS-214_Hawk
02-18-2007, 07:22 AM
As of this post, the first top ten post in the PF forum...5 are directly related to the PTO. Of the remaining 5, participants mostly relate to PTO subjects.

In the General Discussion, the first top ten posts..7 are directly related to the ETO. Of the remaining 3, participants of those threads mostly relate to the ETO subjects.

Statistics can be manipulated to go either way.

Leave the PF forum alone!

Enthor1
02-18-2007, 08:14 AM
So, is this an official, Ubisoft asked me to take this poll, poll?

If not the result is meaningless, if so it should be a sticky in PF only, not in GD because the people it affects most look and post in PF.

The people who inhabit the GDF have been generally hostile to having a seperate PF forum since PF got one and asking there automatically tilts the poll against PF.

As for having an SOW forum, fine, although it is 8 months to a year away.
When SOW is released it should and probably will, get its own web site, it will be in no way related to anything in the IL2 series.

There is a "Buy Pacific Fighters now" button on each forum main page here."

Will Ubisoft amend it to read: "Buy Pacific Fighters now but there is no forum for it so you must ask any questions about it in the General Discussion Forum and wear your thickest skin."?

Let PF have its little corner.

VFS-214_Hawk
02-18-2007, 08:20 AM
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Let us have our little corner! I ain't proud! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BrewsterPilot
02-18-2007, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
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Let us have our little corner! I ain't proud! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Burn them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

clepsydra
02-18-2007, 09:47 AM
Just had a look at this thread and quite shocked. Why is PF treated as such an outcast. I thought this was one big sim for us all to enjoy how we choose. Saying that though, PF having it's own forum could of contributed to its annexing. I think when SOW comes out then it will undoubtedly take over the main slot anyway so why not carry on as we are till then. It seems a bit late in the day to change things now anyway.

Reading some of these threads though perhaps there should be just two forums, one for people who want to behave like adults and one for the spoilt children!!

ElAurens
02-18-2007, 09:53 AM
Frankly I have never seen Pacific Fighters as anything but a big Add On for Forgotten Battles. And as I have said before, I am a fan of the Pacific/Asian areas of operations, but seeing PF as seperate from FB has never been possible. Frankly, flying any one theater for too long is boring. There is an entire world of combat operations to explore, why limit yourself?

Merge now and move along.

In another year this will be only a fond memory.

Be sure.

BrewsterPilot
02-18-2007, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Frankly I have never seen Pacific Fighters as anything but a big Add On for Forgotten Battles. And as I have said before, I am a fan of the Pacific/Asian areas of operations, but seeing PF as seperate from FB has never been possible. Frankly, flying any one theater for too long is boring. There is an entire world of combat operations to explore, why limit yourself?

Merge now and move along.

In another year this will be only a fond memory.

Be sure.

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VFS-214_Hawk
02-18-2007, 11:04 AM
I kinda like it myself!

I wonder why IL-2 Sturmovick 1946 is not listed on the left!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f36/CurtissHawk/PF.jpg

BrewsterPilot
02-18-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
I kinda like it myself!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f36/CurtissHawk/PF.jpg

--->So do I...<--- (http://pacific-fighters.com/en/home.php?skin=S2)
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Monty_Thrud
02-18-2007, 01:59 PM
Look at all these PTO guys in here with their red hair and healthy tan and a good looking native girl on each arm they'll be breaking into a song next (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Bv10YwXSw)..make ya wanna puke.

BURN THEM!

screaminbytes
02-18-2007, 09:29 PM
Seeing how I just purchased Pacific Fighters, I just might be annoyed enough to return it. :P

-HH-Quazi
02-19-2007, 02:03 AM
Put the 44 m8s that say they don't care with the 222 m8s that say get rid of it. That is 266 m8s for getting rid of it against 82 die hard m8s that want to keep it. I never was interested in PF as a stand alone sim & never really consider it should have a forum of its own to start with. Thought it was kind of useless.

One thing it has done that is a good thing though, it has given a break to the GD forums. Could you imagine all this content mixing in with the GD forums? It would be a mess. It might be a good idea to keep it around if only for that purpose. Just add a BOB-SoW forum like you added the PF forum way back when.

major_setback
02-19-2007, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by screaminbytes:
Seeing how I just purchased Pacific Fighters, I just might be annoyed enough to return it. :P

No need to worry, any Pacific Fighters information would be incorporated in the General Discussion forum which now has information on ex Forgotten Battles and the Sturmovk 1946 releases. You will actually find lots more relevant information on the Pacific Fighters game there.

General Discussion forum:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/23110283

major_setback
02-19-2007, 02:24 AM
It might be an idea to have a forum re. questions directly referring to the games (PF, FB, Sturmovik 1946 etc.) and one for the general stuff (ex "How many like ice cream? *poll*").

PFflyer
02-19-2007, 07:40 AM
It would be a bad Idea to get rid of the PF forum, because it does it's part in keeping that many more idiots and d umbasses off of the other forums for this series of sims.

major_setback
02-19-2007, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
It would be a bad Idea to get rid of the PF forum, because it does it's part in keeping that many more idiots and d umbasses off of the other forums for this series of sims.

I thought that was what the General Discussion forum was for?
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screaminbytes
02-19-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by major_setback:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PFflyer:
It would be a bad Idea to get rid of the PF forum, because it does it's part in keeping that many more idiots and d umbasses off of the other forums for this series of sims.

I thought that was what the General Discussion forum was for?
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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These kind of statements are not what I'm here for. If you are going to eliminate further interest in the game with this sort of treatment, perhaps it would be kinder to take the product off the market before unsuspecting buyers waste time, money and effort. Maybe everyone should look at the company name before purchase anyway.

stansdds
02-20-2007, 04:16 AM
Well guys, looks like we Pacific flyers have been outvoted by 3 to 1. It's been nice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

screaminbytes
02-20-2007, 08:23 AM
*Suggested New Slogan*
UBISOFT - Eliminating customers one at a time.

VFS-214_Hawk
02-20-2007, 09:48 AM
ouch!

crazyivan1970
02-20-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
It would be a bad Idea to get rid of the PF forum, because it does it's part in keeping that many more idiots and d umbasses off of the other forums for this series of sims.

Bad call, consider my reply as a warning. Unless you were talking about yourself.

ElAurens
02-20-2007, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by screaminbytes:
*Suggested New Slogan*
UBISOFT - Eliminating customers one at a time.

Actually sales of 1946 are reported to be quite good, even in areas where it was not officially released.

What I don't understand are the few who steadfastly refuse to get the whole enchilada.

The merged total package opens up so many avenues. Why limit yourself?

crazyivan1970
02-20-2007, 10:37 AM
Let me sum it up for you guys, maybe we will get on the same page:

Pacific Fighters forum in reality is no different then General Discussion. It`s the same General Discussion with Pacific title on it. That was the main reason this poll has been started. People as i see, taking it like i am burning their house hehe. I actually was watching it closely for several months and this is what i noticed:

1) 90% of the posts there are NOT pacific fighters or pacific theater related. General Discussion has more Pacific related stuff then PF forum - as funny as it sounds hehe.

2) every 3rd post in PF forum is duplicated in General discussion.

That pretty much summed it all up for me and majority of the mods. At this point PF forum is nothing but a waste of space and our time. Dont you agree? We are one community, we have one flight simulation 'insert version here', needless to say that probably less then 0,0001% of this forum population has Pacific Fighters stand alone. There is no PTO group, there is no ETO group.... it`s IL-2 community, any way you look at it. No? Yes?

SOW forum is needed badly, and more likely it will happen soon. Poll pretty much speaks for itself. And please, PTO guys, dont think that your home is being demolished... every forum under maddox games is yours... so dont single yourselves out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

koivis
02-20-2007, 11:13 AM
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Byebye PF forum... we will (not) miss you!
RIP

VF-17_DWolf
02-20-2007, 11:48 AM
VFC*Crazyivan, Maybe you can simply rename it to something like: <span class="ev_code_RED">FB-AEP-PF-IL2:46 / SOW:BoB Forum</span> and let it go from there.

That way all the titles are in the name. Everyone might be happy then.

VF-17_DWolf

Chivas
02-20-2007, 12:20 PM
Two different game engines =

FB/PF/46 Forum

SOW/BOB/Med/etc Forum

~Salute~
Chivas

WWSpinDry
02-20-2007, 01:19 PM
Definitely don't mix the IL-2 series and the SOW:BoB stuff, please. Apples and oranges.

VF-17_DWolf
02-20-2007, 01:52 PM
The General Forums renamed the <span class="ev_code_RED">FB-AEP-PF-IL2:46 Forums</span> and a new one for the Sow:BoB Forums.

There will probably be allot of people still playing the old FB-AEP-PF-IL2:46 game for a few years, even after SOW:BoB comes out.

VF-17_DWolf

Enthor1
02-20-2007, 02:08 PM
OK, I have PF merged and 1946 download installed so I am not a PF standaloner but I really think the moderators and the general population of these forums are looking more and more like villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Crazyivan, you said:
"That pretty much summed it all up for me and majority of the mods. At this point PF forum is nothing but a waste of space and our time. Dont you agree? We are one community, we have one flight simulation 'insert version here', needless to say that probably less then 0,0001% of this forum population has Pacific Fighters stand alone. There is no PTO group, there is no ETO group.... it`s IL-2 community, any way you look at it. No? Yes?"

The "No? Yes?" indicates the discussion is not over yet so....No.

There is most certainly a massive and one might think, eurocentric, ETO group here and a tiny and resented PTO group here

I have a question for you Crazyivan. Is it Ubisoft policy that the moderators of a set of forums determine the subdivision of same?

If the answer is yes, please post so, forget the poll and close PF Forum as it seems evident that moderator minds are already made up and the poll was a sure way to vindicate yourselves..

PF has always been derided by those who have little or no interest in the theater and the existance of the seperate PF Forum has been a thorn in their paws, you post a poll, they smell blood and are circling.
Not exactly the action of a unified community, eh?

Asking if PF should die on these forums is equal to going into Ford HQ and asking them if General Motors should be closed down.

One community....Cars with totaly differing opinions on which one should exist.

You also said:
"And please, PTO guys, dont think that your home is being demolished... every forum under maddox games is yours... so dont single yourselves out"

PTO guys did not single themselves out, they have been singled out by moderators and ETO guys and the bulldozers are inbound.

VFS-214_Hawk
02-20-2007, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Enthor1:
OK, I have PF merged and 1946 download installed so I am not a PF standaloner but I really think the moderators and the general population of these forums are looking more and more like villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Crazyivan, you said:
"That pretty much summed it all up for me and majority of the mods. At this point PF forum is nothing but a waste of space and our time. We are one community, we have one flight simulation 'insert version here', needless to say that probably less then 0,0001% of this forum population has Pacific Fighters stand alone.

The "No? Yes?" indicates the discussion is not over yet so....No.

There is most certainly a massive and one might think, eurocentric, ETO group here and a tiny and resented PTO group here

I have a question for you Crazyivan. Is it Ubisoft policy that the moderators of a set of forums determine the subdivision of same?

If the answer is yes, please post so, forget the poll and close PF Forum as it seems evident that moderator minds are already made up and the poll was a sure way to vindicate yourselves..

PF has always been derided by those who have little or no interest in the theater and the existance of the seperate PF Forum has been a thorn in their paws, you post a poll, they smell blood and are circling.
Not exactly the action of a unified community, eh?

Asking if PF should die on these forums is equal to going into Ford HQ and asking them if General Motors should be closed down.

One community....Cars with totaly differing opinions on which one should exist.

You also said:
"And please, PTO guys, dont think that your home is being demolished... every forum under maddox games is yours... so dont single yourselves out"

PTO guys did not single themselves out, they have been singled out by moderators and ETO guys and the bulldozers are inbound.

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Whether you meant it or not, the post you made Ivan, sounds like a sheep in wolves clothing.

I agree with Enthor1, most replies here from the ETO guys are just ready for the kill! Some are just down right hateful. This is not a merged community. There are those that like it, those that don't care and those that hate it. Your poll shows that along with your remarks.

Quote by Ivan
"That pretty much summed it all up for me and majority of the mods. At this point PF forum is nothing but a waste of space and our time. Dont you agree?"

As Enthor1 basically said, if this is from UBI, post it and delete the PF Forum. If not, back off and leave it alone! Give it to a mod that cares or find one that does, obviously you don't!

As far as room for a new forum, looks like UBI is just dead for space...yeah right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I sure this forum was not intended to be JUST for PF, I'm sure it was intended for the IL-2 series that, at the time, PF was the newer release thus the new title for the forum. The General Discussion forum basicly turned into an IL-2 forum from the "old school" fliers and the Pacific Fighters forum turned into a duplicate, as you call it, due to new guys running the game title on the box they purchased or just using the title of the forum correctly as well as those that enjoy the PTO. The community divided the forums because the community is divided.

Now we have an IL-2 forum (General Discussion), and a Pacific Fighters forum. That's not our fault! Or is it? Define General Discussion!


Now, the correct thing to do here, so much as I do not want to say it, would be to correctly rename the forums for the design intended not just post a poll ignoring what the true problem was/is.

1. General Discussion has become the intended "Pacific Fighters Discussion Forum"...Rename it "IL2 1946"

2. Leave PF alone (too late to change it now)

3. Create SOW/BoB forum

4. General Discussion forum. If it is not related to the game, should it even be here? To me...thats waisted space!

crazyivan1970
02-20-2007, 03:57 PM
Are you guys picking a fight? Cause it sure looks like it. Are you feeling violated? You know... we are trying to make these boards a better, centralized place...and after replies like yours i often question myself: Why bother?

Chivas
02-20-2007, 04:13 PM
Talk about making a mountain out of mole hill. Your not going to lose your right to post about PF. PF doesn't hold any special statues over the original IL-2 or FB disks,and should be in a combined forum. Just do it Ivan. There will be a few whines, but in few hours there will be something else to whine about.


~Salute~
Chivas

VFS-214_Hawk
02-20-2007, 04:49 PM
Its not our fault you guys post everything in the general discussion forum! I didn't separate the two, the community did. The community elected to post everything related to the IL-2 series in the General Discussion forum, not the Pacific Fighters 4.0 forum. Open up a third forum, rename the other one as indicated in my above post. Simple If UBI says change the PF, do it.

-HH-Quazi
02-20-2007, 04:59 PM
I removed my post. It seems I have offended a respected member of our community and that was not my intentions. My apologies to any that may have taken offense. Sometimes I just call it the way I see it and allow my fingers to go to the edges. I will try hard never to allow that to happen again.

Chief1942
02-20-2007, 05:14 PM
I love you all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

crazyivan1970
02-20-2007, 05:27 PM
Anyways.... i`m removing this thread from stikies. Community management pretty much made up its mind. So, hopefully soon we will see SOW forum and PF forum will be more likely deleted. Me and other mods will move as many valuable posts as we can into general discussion forum before it`s deleted.

screaminbytes
02-20-2007, 06:53 PM
Mom always did like you best... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

VFS-214_Hawk
02-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Its about time they just do what they want to do anyway!

Now lets get the names correct this time.

1. IL-2 1946
2. SoW/BoB?

Two different games.

remove the rest!

shinden1974
02-20-2007, 11:19 PM
I've deleted my posts here, they contribute nothing to the discussion other than being a smart-***. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thinking about it late at night here, It's time to look forward, and I think with a good attitude the PTO fans here can have a positive effect on SOW in the future. There's a lot of knowledge here, and it will become very useful in the future...so yes, let's merge and quit being petty about it. PF is the best pacific sim in existence...it also has glaring flaws...that can be corrected in SOW if we stick around and contribute to the...um...community of communities...

VFS-214_Hawk
02-21-2007, 04:55 AM
Yeap, I have been thinking about this myself. What they should do is rename Pacific Fighters forum to IL2-1946 forum since that was the change in the product name. Delete the General Discussion forum and create the SoW/BoB forum in its place.

-HH-Quazi
02-21-2007, 05:17 AM
Well, I kinda like the idea to have a place for all the OT threads. I like the idea of changing the PF forums' name to IL-2 1946 only because 1946 encompasses PF & FB & AEP along with the paid add-ons. We could discuss PTO & ETO here. And then keep the GD for all the riff-raff Off-Topic general stuff\discussions. I really like the thought of separating all the OT discussions with the more serious game related discussions. The only problem with just leaving the PF forum as is...is the name just isn't inviting to ETO discussions. Re-naming it to IL-2 1946 encompasses the entire series, PTO & ETO. Plus it brings the forums up to date with the latest & last release of the series.

Just another thought on the subject.