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HayateAce
10-23-2008, 09:54 PM
I had seen a clip from this awhile back, then stumbled on the source while poking around Hulu. I don't know what exactly this thing is, but it almost comes off like some kind of recruiting tool. Modern fighter training docu, wrapped in some odd Top Gun veneer. Something just seems "off" about it, although the flying footage is great. The F16 dude that yells "YEAH!" over his gun kill.....well I just can't take him seriously.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

http://www.hulu.com/watch/24197/fighter-pilot-operation-red-flag

HayateAce
10-23-2008, 10:13 PM
Ok, <STRIKE>maybe</STRIKE> this is an IMAX movie.

Enforcer572005
10-24-2008, 12:45 AM
This isn't a Hollywood production but more of a documentary to show what fighter pilots and particularly Red Flag are all about. There are no actors, just real USAF and other country's AF people.

Some of the best film work I've seen on combat AC, and I saw no cgi planes in it, other than maybe the under fuselage shots from an F-15E. I was also kinda bothered by the constant changing from and F-15E to a C, though I guess that was because they used a camera looking into the back cockpit alot at the "pilot". I woulda had the RIO figure in it and arranged that a bit better.

Some incredible shots there, and I've never seen what the consoles and cmputer representations look like on the E-3 AWACS. Some really great stuff here.

And I see nothing particularly wrong with recruitment stuff, as the US is currently a nation at war that needs warriors. But that's not what it is, it was made by Boeing, so it should be accepted for what it is. It is probably one of the films shown in the IMAX theatre at the USAF museum and ohter such places.

I thought it was very well done for a non holly wood military type production. I ordered the DVD.

Thanx for posting this.

HayateAce
10-24-2008, 07:09 AM
Agreed on the footage. I wonder if the AWACs displays really do look that good? Anyway, don't take my reaction wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed it myself. Still, the guy with the kill.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Oh heck, I'd probably do the same darn thing if I was sitting in that seat.

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Chris0382
10-24-2008, 08:15 AM
Is that the one were in one instance the F-16 owned the F-15 because the F-16 was being flown by some chubby pilot who was most likey and expert in flight controls. Glad he's on our side.

HayateAce
10-24-2008, 08:40 AM
No, you're thinking of Porkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFPI54fOWoo

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waffen-79
10-24-2008, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
I had seen a clip from this awhile back, then stumbled on the source while poking around Hulu. I don't know what exactly this thing is, but it almost comes off like some kind of recruiting tool. Modern fighter training docu, wrapped in some odd Top Gun veneer. Something just seems "off" about it, although the flying footage is great. The F16 dude that yells "YEAH!" over his gun kill.....well I just can't take him seriously.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

http://www.hulu.com/watch/24197/fighter-pilot-operation-red-flag

That's the problem, you can't take ANY F-16 seriously...sidemounted-stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gayest thing ever

HayateAce
10-24-2008, 01:57 PM
http://thekneeslider.com/images/sidesaddle2.jpg

LovroSL
10-24-2008, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Some incredible shots there, and I've never seen what the consoles and cmputer representations look like on the E-3 AWACS. Some really great stuff here.
I'm 99% shure that the AWACS screens were CGIed-
you have to take such semi-documentaries with a grain of salt. While the aerial footage is awsome and 100% real, the situations, procedures and actual hardcore accuracy arent there for the most part.
I take it a little more serious top gun with cool aerial shots.

In reality dogfights arent that close, AWACS screen is just a bunch of diagrams and radar screens that takes know-how to make sense of, A10 strafe runs dont look like that or an Mk 82 hit doest not equal to a giant gasoline fireball.

BUT footage of guys flipping switches and masive situational awarnes mindfvck that is modern aerial warfare isnt that fun to watch

Billy_BigBoy
10-24-2008, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
That's the problem, you can't take ANY F-16 seriously...sidemounted-stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gayest thing ever

Oh thanks, my IL-2 flight computer has a sidemounted-stick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

b2spirita
10-24-2008, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by LovroSL:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Some incredible shots there, and I've never seen what the consoles and cmputer representations look like on the E-3 AWACS. Some really great stuff here.
I'm 99% shure that the AWACS screens were CGIed-
you have to take such semi-documentaries with a grain of salt. While the aerial footage is awsome and 100% real, the situations, procedures and actual hardcore accuracy arent there for the most part.
I take it a little more serious top gun with cool aerial shots.

In reality dogfights arent that close, AWACS screen is just a bunch of diagrams and radar screens that takes know-how to make sense of, A10 strafe runs dont look like that or an Mk 82 hit doest not equal to a giant gasoline fireball.

BUT footage of guys flipping switches and masive situational awarnes mindfvck that is modern aerial warfare isnt that fun to
watch </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if raf ground based radars are anything to go by, then yeah its cgi

joeap
10-24-2008, 03:44 PM
We're sorry currently our video library can only be streamed within the United States. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

waffen-79
10-24-2008, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Billy_BigBoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
That's the problem, you can't take ANY F-16 seriously...sidemounted-stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gayest thing ever

Oh thanks, my IL-2 flight computer has a sidemounted-stick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Billy mate, I'm just messing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

but joke aside <- PUN

take any flying legend from ww1 to date, sopwith snipe, SE5, P-40, P-51, F-86, F-15 all of them, controls in the center, right in front of the pilot, it's just meant to be

M_Gunz
10-24-2008, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by LovroSL:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
Some incredible shots there, and I've never seen what the consoles and cmputer representations look like on the E-3 AWACS. Some really great stuff here.
I'm 99% shure that the AWACS screens were CGIed-
you have to take such semi-documentaries with a grain of salt. While the aerial footage is awsome and 100% real, the situations, procedures and actual hardcore accuracy arent there for the most part. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're not going to let the real stuff go out just like that, it's for sure classified even
though "the other guys" already know it very well. It's just the way the DoD works. Even the
details of a 1953 radar we used back in the late 70's was classified. It's like as long as
there's someone over 12 in New Jersey who doesn't know then there's some kind of value to it.

Billy_BigBoy
10-25-2008, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
Billy mate, I'm just messing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif


http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif So am I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Ibis
10-26-2008, 12:30 AM
I have an original Hi-Def copy of this. Interesting, but you're right about the PR content. Still it's informative and I enjoyed the flying in Hi-Def.
Cheers,
Ibis.

Enforcer572005
10-26-2008, 12:45 AM
Amazon has the dvd pretty cheap, around $12 or 14 I think. I just know I had to have it. They went through the list of nations and AC that were participating, but didn't mention the Isreali late model F-16 that showed the girl pilot strapping in. I guess they didn't wanna "offend" any bomb throwers, though the blue 6 pointed star is quite visible.

It plays at the USAF museum IMAX according to one of the guys I fly with.