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SpitfireSeafire
01-29-2005, 11:05 PM
I was wondering, it this game worth game getting, rather than just getting IL-2? I mean, I have heard some bad reviews saying the game is buggy and incomplete etc. I also may have to upgrade my system to do it (although, I would probably have to do it soon anyways, Battlefield 2 comes out in June, Half life 2 is on low settings right now). What are your opinions of the ups and downs of the game and is it worth the money?

EDIT: Also, how much better are PF graphics than IL-2?

EDIT x 2: Is the gameplay good, once you get to the action is it fast-paced?

EDIT x 3: I only have the IL-2 demo right now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

noshens
01-29-2005, 11:14 PM
IMO pf is better than original il2. The best thing would be to get Forgotten battles+Aces expansion pack+PF.

Since you said your computer is not that great, I dont think graphics should really matter to you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And yes, system requirements have been raised so it might be more choppy on your system.

Edit to your edit: game is fast paced if you play online, single missions are boring a bit.
another edit: if you are planning on getting it, don't buy original il2 sturmovik! at least buy IL2 Forgotten battles.

SpitfireSeafire
01-29-2005, 11:27 PM
does forgotten battles and aces include all of il2:sturmovik original? just all planes, or just all maps? or what?

EDIT: Found out forgotten battles has all except the missions.

I guess I should pick up a joystick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Yes you can laugh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif *Me*

JohnnyBlademan
01-29-2005, 11:40 PM
Hey Spit,

The game series is well worth getting. I recommend the AEP and PF combo like noshens said. Yes there are some things being tweaked and we are waiting for certain planes to be released, but Oleg will bring them out to be sure and for as old as it is the graphics engine is still sweet. The flight model is pretty demanding if you don't play in arcade mode. And with the mods, missions, and skins created by IL-2's talented community you really can't outgrow the game (IMHO). I also play other games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif online and I feel this is one of the nicer communities who give quick help to technical or flight problems. Just my .02.

JB
PS: Yes Just get the Forgotten Battles Gold pack, it's got it all except Pacific Fighters.

PSS edit: No need to fret, joysticks are a big enough issue with this community that there are threads devoted to which one is best and how to tweak them for best response. They have topics about which are good for beginners and which are the best money can buy.

Chuck_Older
01-29-2005, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpitfireSeafire:
does forgotten battles and aces include all of il2:sturmovik original? just all planes, or just all maps? or what?

EDIT: Found out forgotten battles has all except the missions.

I guess I should pick up a joystick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Yes you can laugh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif *Me* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Stop!


The Original Il-2 Sturmovik is <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">not</span>, repeat NOT compatible with Il-2:Forgotten Battles, Ace Expansion Pack, or Pacific Fighters. Make no mistake

You want Il-2:Forgotten Battles as your starting point. Then ACE expansion, then Pacific Fighters

civildog
01-30-2005, 12:12 AM
Just go get the Forgotten Battles Gold Pack (it has Aces in it and you get a good break on the price), then Pacific Fighters.

cwojackson
01-30-2005, 12:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpitfireSeafire:
I was wondering, it this game worth game getting, rather than just getting IL-2? I mean, I have heard some bad reviews saying the game is buggy and incomplete etc. I also may have to upgrade my system to do it (although, I would probably have to do it soon anyways, Battlefield 2 comes out in June, Half life 2 is on low settings right now). What are your opinions of the ups and downs of the game and is it worth the money?

EDIT: Also, how much better are PF graphics than IL-2?

EDIT x 2: Is the gameplay good, once you get to the action is it fast-paced?

EDIT x 3: I only have the IL-2 demo right now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Start out with the Forgotten Battles Gold pack; you can pick it up fairly cheaply in many locations. Give it a try for a while and see how you like it. If you're not an online player you'll be interested in how the single player campaigns work.

Take your time with that then if you really like it pick up PF. By then they may have a lot of the issues worked out.

darkhorizon11
01-30-2005, 01:22 AM
I would say so. Pacific Fighters has many bugs but its still a great game if your a flight sim junkie like the rest of us. Mind you Oleg and crew also do a good job of pumping out patches. Theres also at least a dozen aircraft on the way, two more maps, and probably some other features.

RocketDog
01-30-2005, 02:44 AM
I would definitely get Forgotten Battles and then the Aces Expansion Pack before Pacific Fighters. PF has some great additions to the game but I think it would be very disappointing as a stand-alone game. It's really just a large expansion pack.

Regards,

RocketDog.

VW-IceFire
01-30-2005, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpitfireSeafire:
I was wondering, it this game worth game getting, rather than just getting IL-2? I mean, I have heard some bad reviews saying the game is buggy and incomplete etc. I also may have to upgrade my system to do it (although, I would probably have to do it soon anyways, Battlefield 2 comes out in June, Half life 2 is on low settings right now). What are your opinions of the ups and downs of the game and is it worth the money?

EDIT: Also, how much better are PF graphics than IL-2?

EDIT x 2: Is the gameplay good, once you get to the action is it fast-paced?

EDIT x 3: I only have the IL-2 demo right now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
PF is sort of incomplete if you look at it by itself but 90% of us who fly online are flying with the FB+AEP+PF merge install which means we've got 140 planes and three theaters to fly them in. Its great fun and theres plenty to do.

Action is slower than a game like Rainbow Six but its still pretty fast. Once you get into it, things can happen very quickly...or very slowly. Thats the way things happen in air combat like this. But its always close in and very visceral so its good fun!

FB has everything IL2 did...except the missions. But you can download a ton of missions made by third party members that more than make up for that. Plus, there is a dynamically generated campaign (DGEN) system that auto generates thousands of missions...sometimes they are less interesting. But it can be done.

LuftKuhMist
01-30-2005, 10:51 AM
Quite frankly PF is a disappointment. It makes the game better overall I guess but it sure is not worth 60 bucks. And if you talk about patch support and all, it is getting less and less impressive (frankly can't blame anyone here, I looking foward to BoB which I hope will be excellent). The out of the box PF isn't very good, it is bug ridden indeed. Seriously after 15 minutes of playing it when I got it I had this feeling someone ripped me and I saw much there was to see.

But if you must apply to the local standards they have here, sure get it! But look at it objectively, reviews everywhere don't praise PF. Don't ask here for a frank opinion about a GAME (because that's what it is, on the same level as half life, one is just a simulation and the other a 3d shooter), this is an elitist fanboy forum.

Ah the good old IL2 and FB days... these were breakthrough products...

Bearcat99
01-30-2005, 02:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuftKuhMist:
Quite frankly PF is a disappointment. It makes the game better overall I guess but it sure is not worth 60 bucks. And if you talk about patch support and all, it is getting less and less impressive (frankly can't blame anyone here, I looking foward to BoB which I hope will be excellent). The out of the box PF isn't very good, it is bug ridden indeed. Seriously after 15 minutes of playing it when I got it I had this feeling someone ripped me and I saw much there was to see.

But if you must apply to the local standards they have here, sure get it! But look at it objectively, reviews everywhere don't praise PF. Don't ask here for a frank opinion about a GAME (because that's what it is, on the same level as half life, one is just a simulation and the other a 3d shooter), this is an elitist fanboy forum.

Ah the good old IL2 and FB days... these were breakthrough products... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You paid $60 for PF? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

SS... get the sim. Forget about its detractors. Look at this as one big $70 5 CD sim ($29.99 FB ACES GOLD & $39.99 PF).... Most of the people who are graoaning and crying the loudest are still here constantly (sometimes I wish the would just go away.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I mean since the sim is so incomplete and buggy and all... but the just dont go!!)........ that says more than any of their girlyman whining and is a bigger testament to just how good the product is. Even its detracters are hooked...LOL... Wow.. must be a tough existence.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif being hooked on such a crappy sim..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I mean when there is so much more in the way of quality available to us... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

StudUK
01-30-2005, 02:50 PM
I would really get FB/AEP.

Everyone has their own opinion but for me PF has been one big bloody disappointment so far.

BTW
Not sure but Last time I checked Battlefield 2 was now delayed to 2006 ??

Smidlee
01-30-2005, 03:08 PM
If you want to pay offline for a while before jumping into online (Those who played for years are very good and will have you for dinner) then I would recommend getting IL2 gold and forget PF for now. I bought PF first then happen to find a copy of Gold for $20. paying $20 for Gold was a lot better deal than paying $40 for PF. PF offline is a big disappointment since you get very little in maps, missions and ships (What a surprise to find British's ship at Pearl Harber). Like some many PC games today PF feels rushed. If online is all you want then you will need PF which does offer more planes especially those found on carriors.

So if you are planning to play offline for a while then get IL2 Gold which will probably be half the cost and get a lot more than PF. By waiting to buy PF , PF will be cheaper and hopely be better.
But if online is all you care about then PF is needed.

P.S. of course PF isn't the only PC game that feels rushed. It seems to be the norm anymore which is why I find myself buying new game less and less. Most of the time it's better to wait a year before buying a PC game.

LEXX_Luthor
01-30-2005, 05:24 PM
Good point there. FB Gold is a year old now, and very developed. Because the original FB came out even before that, FB Gold has almost 2 years worth of 3rd Party content such as missions and campaigns. Also its cheaper than PF now.

However, PF adds useful new new things to FB Gold even if you never play a Pacific mission, stuff like more realistic muzzle flash (you will roll on the floor if you see muzzle flash in FB Gold without PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

FB Gold has more European planes and maps coming, as well as stuff like new overcast clouds that FB Gold will share with PF, but you need FB+PF merged install to use any further development Patches or addons in the future.

PF with current Patches is "75% Complete" according to Gibbage --one of the leading 3rd Party FB/PF aircraft modders (currently creating Flyable PBY Catalina external model and internal crew positions). In 6 months PF should be much more developled, hopefully far beyond 100% Complete going by Gibbage's scaling, as the history of FB development is a tremendous track record for a PC game developer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

With the Aces Expansion Pack (ie...FB Gold), original FB is maybe 300% Complete....far more than anyone ever imagined was possible, and far more to come (600% maybe?) but like I said any more FB Gold Patches will need FB Gold + PF together.

Wellcome to Forgotten Board

cwojackson
01-30-2005, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpitfireSeafire:
I was wondering, it this game worth game getting, rather than just getting IL-2? I mean, I have heard some bad reviews saying the game is buggy and incomplete etc. I also may have to upgrade my system to do it (although, I would probably have to do it soon anyways, Battlefield 2 comes out in June, Half life 2 is on low settings right now). What are your opinions of the ups and downs of the game and is it worth the money?

EDIT: Also, how much better are PF graphics than IL-2?

EDIT x 2: Is the gameplay good, once you get to the action is it fast-paced?

EDIT x 3: I only have the IL-2 demo right now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't know your favorite beverage, your favorite book or favorite movie, so I no idea whether you would like PF or not. A lot depends on how you intend to use in; off-line or on-line.

As you've seen on this thread, and if you've read the numerous industry reviews, many people believe PF isn't quite ready for prime time.

As several people have pointed out, you can pick up IL2/Forgotten Battles Gold pretty cheaply. It's worth the investment and will give you the opportunity to decide whether you like the game or not (PF is the same game with just a few more aircraft, a few new maps and lots of water).

If you intend to play single player it will take you a while to complete a couple of campaigns and see how you like the off-line play; if you don't like it that well your opinion would not improve with PF. That time might give the developers time to bring PF up to speed.

If you decide you want to play on-line then you're going to end up investing more money in having the entire line up of packages, including PF, necessary for the average on-line play.

Good luck.

han freak solo
01-30-2005, 10:45 PM
Dude,

If the demo interests you, and flyin' and shootin' are cool concepts to you, GET IL2:FBAEP Gold Pack!!!

I would by the original IL2 Sturmovik for two reasons.....

1. Your current rig can't handle the IL2:FBAEP

2. After you "fly" IL2:FBAEP you'll want the original for the landmark of a sim it was/is, or just to collect it since it's cheap! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

There are so many downloadable missions, campaigns, 3rd party extras, that getting the Pacific Fighters will be a no brainer as well.

Greatest sims I've ever played. Hard to learn, but very rewarding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Owlsphone
01-31-2005, 01:56 PM
[QUOTE}
BTW
Not sure but Last time I checked Battlefield 2 was now delayed to 2006 ??[/QUOTE]

BF2 got delayed until Q1 2006 of EA Games' fiscal year. That's really April-June 2005.