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jugent
02-15-2006, 01:30 PM
I think that the allied aircrafts where better than the blue side before this patch, and now they got the Tempest and the highpressure spit.
Its no fun, its like a comparison from the Olympic games, like russia is playing against Italy.
I will stop playing this game until the sides are more balanced.
Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the japanese aircrafts are so bad, the theatre has lost its popularity.
Im setting my hope to BoB, see you then

rnzoli
02-15-2006, 01:33 PM
You can still play offline against rookie Allied planes. Loads of fun, believe me. When I have enough of online humiliation, I go back offline, set my enemy loadout empty and shred them to pieces. From your complaint I hear that you need this from time to time.

Jumoschwanz
02-15-2006, 01:49 PM
In real life the allied planes were better and more numerous too, that is why they swatted the axis craft out of the air and gained control of the airspace.

This is a "sim", the more life-like the better. The axis craft had poor build quality because among other things the axis did not have access to the materials to build the planes to specification, thus wooden tails and propellers, and lots of half-finished craft just sitting around because of lack of parts.

If you want some dream-world where the axis powers dominate everything and in the 21st century everyone has blue eyes and blonde hair, then go in your sandbox with some models and set up that scenario for yourself, or set it up in the FMB offline, or start a server where the planes you like, has never and better equipment than the planes and side you do not like, it has been done before and is being done now.

I like flying axis craft, and enjoy figuring out tactics and battle-plans to defeat better organized and equiped adversaries. I fly alone on servers against squads with coms and other advantages, and do ok most of the time.

I accept late-war allied dominace as part of history.
What I do not go for is when a server run by an allied squad puts late war allied craft into an early war server, that is when it is unfair.
In late war, especially late 1943 to the end, it is just a fact that the allied planes will be better.

So find a server with an early war map that has all the same year or earlier planes for both sides, Greatergreen is good in the west, and in Europe there is CZ_AH_Dedicated which runs a wonderful server with fair maps. Most of the really good ones run settings that are some kind of fully realistic, or Hard, but if you are looking for a simulation of WWII, and not a "game" it is time to get into a cockpit and learn how to deal with it, you will see the light in a short time.


Jumoschwanz

Jetbuff
02-15-2006, 01:50 PM
Balance is not the responsibility of Oleg and Co. It is the domain of mission and campaign designers.

The intention of the latest patch was to provide even more accurate FM's and add some welcome free planes. Although, judging by the response, perhaps Oleg shouldn't have bothered? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

danjama
02-15-2006, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the allied aircrafts where better than the blue side before this patch, and now they got the Tempest and the highpressure spit.
Its no fun, its like a comparison from the Olympic games, like russia is playing against Italy.
I will stop playing this game until the sides are more balanced.
Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the japanese aircrafts are so bad, the theatre has lost its popularity.
Im setting my hope to BoB, see you then

ok then bye

<span class="ev_code_BLACK">loser</span>

joeap
02-15-2006, 01:55 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Well I would think getting the Me-262, under realistic conditions, would help this fellow. Or maybe not. read some history...oh and Allied designs were not greatly superior, Allied resources were.

LStarosta
02-15-2006, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
In real life the allied planes were better

Amen.

VW-IceFire
02-15-2006, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the allied aircrafts where better than the blue side before this patch, and now they got the Tempest and the highpressure spit.
Its no fun, its like a comparison from the Olympic games, like russia is playing against Italy.
I will stop playing this game until the sides are more balanced.
Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the japanese aircrafts are so bad, the theatre has lost its popularity.
Im setting my hope to BoB, see you then
Well I suppose we should say goodbye then.

Rediculous claims based on purely subjective grounds. Most experienced pilots still consider the FW190D-9 to be the best Blue fighter available for a combination of speed, firepower, and agility.

The Tempest isn't even a later war model and even then its not likely to completely edge out the FW190D-9.

I'm not a huge personal fan of the Bf109 series but the G-10 remains one of the best of the series for overall speed, maneverability, stability, and climb.

So how is "blue side" disadvantaged suddenly? They have some awesome planes that, when flown to their potential, are just as good or better than the Allied opposition. The Allies have more plane types because there were more nations involved in fighting back...but that aside performance is remarkably similar overall.

Maybe spend some time flying as Red team for a while and see how its not all milk and cookies. Or do what I do...fly for whichever team is down on pilots and do your thing.

danjama
02-15-2006, 03:05 PM
yep

Treetop64
02-15-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by jugent:
...I will stop playing this game until the sides are more balanced.

Well, buh-bye, then! Buh-bye! Okay, buh-bye now! ....Buh-bye! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

zugfuhrer
02-15-2006, 03:06 PM
Although the german fighters where active, and fought to the bitter end.

If the allied fighters where so good, and in so much higher numbers, the LW would have ceased to excist in summer 44.

I cant think that LW-engineers made aircraft that was so much worse than the allieds.
I think that all aircrafts had its tricks to survive.

I can only find one good blue example of this in this game, the 262 stay fast and dont start dogfighting.

All other ways of stay alive is defensive, the FW- Split S and dive away if you meet a spit.
I dont think that the aircrafts in this game gives us the true picture of how the planes they are suppose to "lookalike" really flew.
And by the intension of the latest patch I think it is to sell more games.

To give the market the product they want.
If the Japanese market where the most important for a game-producer I think that the Zero would be very good, and the IJN-carriers would be very hard to sink.

BTW take a look at the test Ive done comparing Spit/Tempest versus FW/Me.
They compare top-speed, brake-capability, acceleration, damageprofile and a gun-test comparing 20mm vs .50cal.

If anyone want to take part in a test everyone is velcome.

Then we can iliminate suspicious "Redicolous claimes based on purly subjective grounds" like what someone think is Most pilots thinks.....
I have heard that..... etc etc.

Danjama it would be improving if you and I could do any test you want to do for comparing anything you like to compare.

Hawgdog
02-15-2006, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
You can still play offline against rookie Allied planes. Loads of fun, believe me. When I have enough of online humiliation, I go back offline, set my enemy loadout empty and shred them to pieces.

rookie?
Get 12 bad guys, set to veteran at least, unlimited ammo and practice practice practice!!!

vanjast
02-15-2006, 03:19 PM
jugent how can you say that.. you must be a rookie. Don't you know that the Axis always had better planes than the allies, just not the numbers. this is why the better axis pilots managed to rack up phenominal tallies.
Generaly the axis pilots were also, on average much better, than the allies up till june'44, where the numbers game favoured the allies
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rnzoli
02-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Hawgdog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
You can still play offline against rookie Allied planes. Loads of fun, believe me. When I have enough of online humiliation, I go back offline, set my enemy loadout empty and shred them to pieces.

rookie?
Get 12 bad guys, set to veteran at least, unlimited ammo and practice practice practice!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For such stress release, I recommend rookie, yes. No mistake there.

JG4_Helofly
02-15-2006, 03:52 PM
ROFL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

You are realy a victim of propaganda like "the pony won the war" or "allied planes are much better than axis planes"
Yes of course, all the weapons of the german were so bad that they have fought a war during about 6 years http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

And if you search balancing go and play cs. Balancing kills Simulations!!!!!!

This is meant to be a sim and not an balanced arcard hero shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

crazyivan1970
02-15-2006, 03:57 PM
Since when developer is responcible for actions of server admins?

Way off mark here buddy.

fordfan25
02-15-2006, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Since when developer is responcible for actions of server admins?

Way off mark here buddy. or real life http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

rnzoli
02-15-2006, 04:30 PM
Why do you slam this guy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif The flightsim community is small, every hand on the deck counts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Allied_Killer
02-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the allied aircrafts where better than the blue side before this patch, and now they got the Tempest and the highpressure spit.
Its no fun, its like a comparison from the Olympic games, like russia is playing against Italy.
I will stop playing this game until the sides are more balanced.
Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the japanese aircrafts are so bad, the theatre has lost its popularity.
Im setting my hope to BoB, see you then

This is a simulation based on true events in recent history (hint: World War II). This is not a shoot'em up game where a game developer has to consider balance for both sides. Pacific theatre may have lost some pouplarity, not due to weakness of the Japanese planes but due to incomplete plane sets, staging theatres and general lack of interest from the participants from the beginning.

I've only been online a couple of times since the release of the patch, but I did not notice any dominance from the so called uber Tempest and the high boost Spit. It's the pilot, not the plane. You should learn to do well with what you've got and fun will follow it's due course.

I do not know what kind of servers you fly in, but on semi-full real servers, there are usually only a handful of skilled pilots on either side at any given time, learn as much as you can from them and you'd also have a good time.

jds1978
02-15-2006, 06:04 PM
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(this seemed like a good thread to test the new emoticons in)

danjama
02-15-2006, 06:15 PM
good point

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and lastly

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jimDG
02-15-2006, 07:04 PM
I think that the allied aircrafts where better than the axis side in 1943, and now, in 1944, they got the Tempest and the highpressure spit.
Its no fun, its, like, a total conflict, like russia is at war with Italy.
I will now desert and hide in atics till the end of the war.
Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the Japanese aircrafts are so bad, the Americans are shoting them down in droves.
Im setting my hope to the Cold War, see you then[/QUOTE]

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Huh, history repeats itself?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Badsight.
02-15-2006, 11:19 PM
UBI gets the funniest threads . . .

if its not FordFan , its someone else !

LEXX_Luthor
02-15-2006, 11:33 PM
Jim::
I think that the allied aircrafts where better than the axis side in 1943, and now, in 1944, they got the Tempest and the highpressure spit.

Its no fun,...
I have always posted, true Fans of the Luftwaffe play Early War, when the Luftwaffe Ruled the skies.

vanjast
02-15-2006, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by jds1978:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

(this seemed like a good thread to test the new emoticons in)
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msalama
02-16-2006, 01:13 AM
Im setting my hope to BoB, see you then

OK, close the door when you leave. Hey, one whining b1tch less, now THAT'S a good thing for sure...

alert_1
02-16-2006, 01:21 AM
There is no better plane in the sim(if flown correctly) then Me262.Funy part is that there is more Tempests Mk.V (700 built) then Me262s (around 1400 built) on online servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

WOLFMondo
02-16-2006, 01:24 AM
But only 300 of them flew whereas all 800 Tempests took to the air.

alert_1
02-16-2006, 01:33 AM
But only 300 of them flew whereas all 800 Tempests took to the air.
Yes I undestand but, because there was not enough fuel for them but they were ready for combat and the sim dont simulate problems with fuel anyhow. Problems is that allies really had better pitson planes then LW but not because germans wa incapable to produce them but more likely cause they swithech focus early to jets (Me262 was actually replacement for Me109) but while advaced allies fighter are present in abundance, Me262s are not.

Xiolablu3
02-16-2006, 02:06 AM
I have seen this guy post some dodgy stuff in before and a lot of wrong 'facts' in his posts, I wouldnt take too much notice of this post.

Your problem is that you are taking the red vs blue thing too seriously, also probably flying only 1945 planes.

Why dont you try flying the other periods of the war and you will find out that the LW reigns supreme up until late 1942-43 (partly cos there is no Spit Mk1 for 1940) when it balances, then in 1944 they start to lose parity. Remember in 1944 the majority of Axis planes were 109G10 and FW190A NOT DOras and K4's.

I cant beleive that you are saying the Japanese planes are bad, have you EVER flown any?

The Me262 should be available in LIMITED numbers on late 44 servers now, the server software allows a few of each plane to be available.

This is a typical rant of a one sided (this case blue) flyer who only flies 1944-45 planesets, and is not very experienced.

nakamura_kenji
02-16-2006, 02:19 AM
Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the Japanese aircrafts are so bad, the Americans are shoting them down in droves.


odd get 9 kill v 2 death sunday(one bad landing) last time play online, was fly new j2m3 so still learn plane, enemy no easy was fight p51,p47 late above 5000m. was much fun ^_^

alert_1
02-16-2006, 02:24 AM
You si wrong. I had't flown Me262 at least for a year (too hard for me, difficult takeofflanding, shooting)I'm not fan of late "uberplanes" but reality is taht on most server I have good ping are mostly '44 maps rotating and are not balance along with reality (at least a few Me262 shoudl be there, no?), evenfor those flying "normal" Me109 si good to have some teammate with Me262 to tame those all Spit 25lbs, tempests, P47 "150" etc.
It's my opinion nothing more, nothing less...

Xiolablu3
02-16-2006, 02:51 AM
So complain to the server admins about their unbalanced 'only 1944' maps, not this forum.

Or fly red if you feel the blue side is 'hard done by' and then change to blue if you want it tough (like it really was for the LW in 1944-45)

Doesnt take too many brains to work out.

Personally I think that most people are enjoying trying the new planes at the moment and so everyone wants to fly red for a bit. Once the novelty of the new planes wheres off, everyone will go back to their preffered rides.

joeap
02-16-2006, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Take the Pacific theatre as a varning, the Japanese aircrafts are so bad, the Americans are shoting them down in droves.


odd get 9 kill v 2 death sunday(one bad landing) last time play online, was fly new j2m3 so still learn plane, enemy no easy was fight p51,p47 late above 5000m. was much fun ^_^ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif You mean you learnt how to fly your planes NK, so to the dude who started this thread stop: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

nakamura_kenji
02-16-2006, 03:03 AM
i normal fly kawasaki ki-61/100 fighter, when fly j2m3 raiden i still using much similar tactic as normal do becuase had have little time fly and get use abilty. it more if i can fly plane little flight time in get good kill/death ratio it can no really be that bad plane it definte it no be I pilot, i much average pilot

carguy_
02-16-2006, 03:57 AM
Nah it`s not so bad.All 109 have potential.A9 and D9 are very good too.Only A4,A5,A8 seem to be the bottlenecks.

Viper2005_
02-16-2006, 04:20 AM
A5 1.65 ata = http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Badsight.
02-16-2006, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
A5 1.65 ata = http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif people who tested the v4.02 A5 are saying the v4.03 Boosted A5 is no better , just the normal A5 got de-rated

the boosted K4 is actually slower then the normal & both are accellerating slower now in v4.03

so much for the : http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

WOLFMondo
02-16-2006, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
Problems is that allies really had better pitson planes then LW but not because germans wa incapable to produce them but more likely cause they swithech focus early to jets (Me262 was actually replacement for Me109) but while advaced allies fighter are present in abundance, Me262s are not.

Disagreee 100000%.

The BF109 was at the end of its design life but it was still a good fighter and could perform as good as any allied fighter, it had its problems but it was a good fighter plane, its days were numbered though.

The FW190 A8, A9 and D9 were great examples of how great the Germans were at enginnering. Things like engine management as about as automated as it gets and its trim which once set would work well for both cruise and high speed, both things mean the pilot can concentrate on shooting and not having to maintain his plane, peformance matched anything the allies had, the D9 in particular was one of the best prop fighters ever built.

Hristo_
02-16-2006, 05:06 AM
If Allied planes are better, then it should not be too much of a problem to allow Me 262 online. It is only historical, afterall.

jds1978
02-16-2006, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
i normal fly kawasaki ki-61/100 fighter, when fly j2m3 raiden i still using much similar tactic as normal do becuase had have little time fly and get use abilty. it more if i can fly plane little flight time in get good kill/death ratio it can no really be that bad plane it definte it no be I pilot, i much average pilot

i doubt you are just an "average pilot", Kenji.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

downing those 5 US AC at altitude is a feat for sure