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Temporal_Mass
03-17-2006, 03:34 PM
I'm a noob, been flying for about 1 month and I finally got the knack of landing without creating a smoking hole!!! Most of the time, anyway... Silly perhaps. My wife thought so when I ran downstairs proclaiming my accomplishment to all. Hey, it made me happy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Always remember: Pillage THEN burn...

Zeus-cat
03-17-2006, 03:51 PM
Congrats! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

People think you are being silly until they try it for themselves. Landing is quite difficult in this game.

Congrats again.

slipBall
03-17-2006, 04:12 PM
Good for you, that's great. Now I want you to land on a carrier

djetz
03-17-2006, 04:16 PM
Yeah, congrats! It is an achievement, I find landing harder than shooting down planes. I still only land without breaking the undercarriage about 2 times in 3. I'm impatient, and you need a nice slow straight approach to land properly.

I recently led a flight of Tempests on a ground pounding mission - we returned, I landed too fast, broke the undercarriage, and bellied in on the runway. Then my 3 AI companions came in to land and the first one broke a wheel on the tip of my plane's wing.

He came to rest across the runway, the next one plowed straight into him and they both exploded, and the third one went into the wreckage and exploded too. It was pretty funny watching them make perfect 3 point AI landings and then calmly destroying themselves.

Tully__
03-17-2006, 05:41 PM
I've been flying sims for 7 years and still get them wrong from time to time (quite a lot recently, I'm not getting enough flight time to stay in practice).

shinden1974
03-17-2006, 06:43 PM
landing is still, after all these years and different sims, my favorite flying activity next to combat. In this sim it is especially fun because every plane is different, with different cockpit view, slow speed characteristics and landing gear strengths.

bad weather and damage adds to the challenge, and it can be hell to trap on a carrier in bad weather with a shot up wing. The Zero is difficult because you must remember to get so slow just to get the plane to drop. The corsair jinks and twitches and lands hard...you can barely see. But a trap is so satisfying, it's better than kills.

carguy_
03-17-2006, 08:14 PM
Very well.This game is all about achievements.You`ll get to know most of them.In v4.04 torque has been more pronounced.

I urge you to try landing the IAR on a grass airfield.Havin trouble doin it myself.

Divine-Wind
03-17-2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by djetz:
Yeah, congrats! It is an achievement, I find landing harder than shooting down planes. I still only land without breaking the undercarriage about 2 times in 3. I'm impatient, and you need a nice slow straight approach to land properly.

I recently led a flight of Tempests on a ground pounding mission - we returned, I landed too fast, broke the undercarriage, and bellied in on the runway. Then my 3 AI companions came in to land and the first one broke a wheel on the tip of my plane's wing.

He came to rest across the runway, the next one plowed straight into him and they both exploded, and the third one went into the wreckage and exploded too. It was pretty funny watching them make perfect 3 point AI landings and then calmly destroying themselves.
I would give just about anything to see a track of that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

And congrats. Even after flying IL2 since the beginning I screw up. (heck, even taxiing's a challenge) Oh well, at least a shot-up plane with one gear down looks cool.

Cworth
03-18-2006, 04:19 AM
Need some advice with landings..

I can get the planes down just not as smoothly as I would like.I do end up bouncing a bit or landing a bit deep on the runway.

What would you say are the best speeds to keep the plane at for a smooth landing.

elphifou
03-18-2006, 07:20 AM
Congratulations http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif It's true that landing can be particularly tricky in this game.


Originally posted by djetz:
(...) I find landing harder than shooting down planes. I still only land without breaking the undercarriage about 2 times in 3. I'm impatient, and you need a nice slow straight approach to land properly.


Funny, it's quite the contrary for me. I had flown MSFS for a few years before I finally bought the original IL2, so I was used to prepare my landings with precision and care.
When I got a feel for the planes in IL2, I used the same careful and systematic approach to landing. Normally, I would almost never crash if I'm careful.

It's flight combat that I find more difficult. Although I almost always RTB with at least one kill, it's patience, sweat and hard work that gets me there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I'm not yet used to trimming efficiently while fighting for instance. After all the effort put in flight combat, I find landing is a piece of cake most of the time (long and wide runways, no turbulence, no side winds).... except, of course, in the case of a carrier landing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

heywooood
03-18-2006, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Cworth:
Need some advice with landings..

I can get the planes down just not as smoothly as I would like.I do end up bouncing a bit or landing a bit deep on the runway.

What would you say are the best speeds to keep the plane at for a smooth landing.

Landing speed depends on the type of plane you are flying - ususally heavier, or twin-engine planes need more airspeed...

Start with a single engine fighter...

Most people new to flying will try to land while they have too much airspeed, going from full power down to the field and then trying to land before all that airspeed has been bled away
so...get down to around 1000' or so and get slow..down to 200kts or so before you get lined up.

First you want to line up with the strip while you are still pretty far away..say a mile or so...just use your best estimation here...and at about 300m or 500-700' altitude.
Reduce the throttle to 20% and lower the 'combat flaps' to reduce airspeed to 180-200kts...

Aim for the foot or nearest end of the runway and descend smoothly, lower flaps to 'take off' position and keep your nose pointed at the near end of the strip...keeping your airspeed above 150...lower flaps to 'landing' position and drop the gear...you should have been making small power adjustments along the way, and you should now be near the foot of the landing strip at 50' altitude or so and speed at around 160 to 180kts

Sail it down to the deck and cut the engine...just holding it off the ground straight and level..no radical pitch up..just easy back pressure as the airspeed reduces and the airplane touches down.

This is just a real general guidline but it might help.

RedBurn29
03-18-2006, 09:49 AM
I thought I had my landings down to a science. Then I got into Falcon 4:AF. Landing the Falcon in that game was like learing to land in this game all over again. Though my landings are much better now - it did improve my IL2 approaches and landings by a considerable margin. If you don't get it about exactly right in that game you will wreck. F4 is a blast but I still am hooked on the prop jobs.

Temporal_Mass
03-18-2006, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Good for you, that's great. Now I want you to land on a carrier

That is down the road a ways. I'm still working on land based ops... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I STILL haven't been able to set a 109 down...in one piece, that is. Damn narrow landing gear. I haven't tried anything with trike gear yet. Is that harder or easier?

Dean3238
03-18-2006, 11:17 AM
FWIW, I think guys who have mastered landing in a sim, any sim, deserve quite a pat on the back.

I find sim landings, devoid of all external depth/sound/motion sense, to be far harder than the real thing.

I have found that IL2 requires the pilot to be better at it than the training sims I've used in the past... the latter dumb it down (or something) so that it really _is_ like kissing your sister. ;-)

slipBall
03-18-2006, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Temporal_Mass:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
Good for you, that's great. Now I want you to land on a carrier

That is down the road a ways. I'm still working on land based ops... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I STILL haven't been able to set a 109 down...in one piece, that is. Damn narrow landing gear. I haven't tried anything with trike gear yet. Is that harder or easier? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's all in your concentration. Know the stall speed of your aircraft, helps to know the alt. of the runway. Learn to use the traffic pattern, stick with a set height for your downwind leg, say 800m use that same height each time that you are in a landing pattern. Keep the runway in sight when making your turn for final approch at 500m, you have to constantly watch your gages, be very light with your controls. Point the plane right for the runway threshold. Keeping a eye on airspeed all the time. Flare the plane up when you loose sight of the runway under the nose. If you watched your airspeed, and alt. well, she should stall, and settle to the runway.

p.s. 5% of all 109's built, were destroyed on landing attempts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mortoma
03-18-2006, 02:11 PM
Just don't try to practice landings or take offs in the P-11C. The easiest plane to fly once in the air is also the hardest to land or take off in the game!!

mortoma
03-18-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Dean3238:
FWIW, I think guys who have mastered landing in a sim, any sim, deserve quite a pat on the back.

I find sim landings, devoid of all external depth/sound/motion sense, to be far harder than the real thing.

I have found that IL2 requires the pilot to be better at it than the training sims I've used in the past... the latter dumb it down (or something) so that it really _is_ like kissing your sister. ;-) I don't know about that.
I think a C-172 is harder to land than most planes in this sim. But it's been 3 years since I have flown one. The one I flew was a bit nose heavy and even with no passenger and baggage, just me in the seat, it seemed to require the yoke all the way back to the stops every time in the flare. And that was trimmed back pretty far too. At 60 knots on appproach I would trim far enough back that I had to push the yoke pretty hard forward, still was like that.

FI-Skipper
03-18-2006, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Just don't try to practice landings or take offs in the P-11C. The easiest plane to fly once in the air is also the hardest to land or take off in the game!!

Believe it or not I managed to land that plane on the side of a mountain.....quite fun to try but it took ages.....i'll probably never do it again!

Tully__
03-18-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Cworth:
Need some advice with landings..

I can get the planes down just not as smoothly as I would like.I do end up bouncing a bit or landing a bit deep on the runway.

What would you say are the best speeds to keep the plane at for a smooth landing.

Read this Click here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5111047273)
Particularly the bit about landing near the end of the first post.

Yog_Shoggoth
03-18-2006, 07:25 PM
I love abusing the 1-16's gears, they can take anything. I swear I once touched down during a 75 meter stall.

Dean3238
03-18-2006, 08:25 PM
Mortoma,

That's pretty nose heavy. :-)

Fighting difficult CG or trim balance issues is a whole 'other ball-game. I've run into one model (1950 Bellanca 14-19) that w/o a full load of fuel in the Aux tank won't trim to approach speeds (CG too far forward)... and is essentially unflyable (CG to the rear) if you fill the tank and put people in the rear seats. Pretty tight envelope for a GA aircraft.

What I miss most in sims that help in the real world, is the various senses of motion, side to side, 'floating' or 'sinking' feelings you get that give you subtle clues that all isn't where you want it. Never had a chance to be in one of those multi-million $$ full motion sims, so I won't make any claims that they get it right or wrong... but I do know the chair at my computer never seems to actually move ;-)

slo_1_2_3
03-19-2006, 03:13 PM
If ya want to do your first landing and figure stuff out then use the ki-43 I can land it at only 60 mph so if you mess up you don't turn into a smoking crater and you can get off the ground at the same speed

zoinks_
03-19-2006, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Cworth:
Need some advice with landings..

I can get the planes down just not as smoothly as I would like.I do end up bouncing a bit or landing a bit deep on the runway.

What would you say are the best speeds to keep the plane at for a smooth landing.

to keep from bouncing on runways, i push foward on the stick right at touchdown with stall speed achieved. then cut throttle keeping stick foward. if you practice you hardly bounce. always keep tail wheel far away from runway. only land on 2 front wheels. then roll down the runway with stick foward and tail off the ground.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/landing1.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/landing2.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/landing3.jpg

djetz
03-19-2006, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
I would give just about anything to see a track of that.


You're absolutely right, I should have saved that track, it was a classic. I didn't think of it at the time, but it's the sort of thing you could never set up deliberately.

I only recently figured out that you have to order your flight to return to base to get them to land, so I've been quite enjoying getting my flight back on to the ground safely. Or, in this case, extremely dangerously. The AI has quite a lot of comedy potential - they can make perfect landings but will kill themselves doing it because they're not smart enough to avoid wreckage on the runway.

djetz
03-19-2006, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Yog_Shoggoth:
I love abusing the 1-16's gears, they can take anything. I swear I once touched down during a 75 meter stall.

That's the opposite of my experience, I don't think I've ever managed to land the I-16 without breaking its legs. After labouriously cranking them down. I find the I-16 to be a very fun ride and just about the perfect weapon for dismantling Stukas, but I just can't land in it.

For some reason I can successfully land 109s most of the time, which other people seem to have problems with. I've only ever landed successfully on a carrier a couple of times. Most times on carriers I end up either in the drink or in pieces.

Spinnetti
03-19-2006, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Good for you, that's great. Now I want you to land on a carrier

LOL... Try it with your Me109.. I've been trying it with my FW190 - twice I've had to dead stick in (shot up engine) and over shot only to ditch in the sea. Twice I got it down on the deck, but ripped the gear off.

Landing without arrestor hooks is really a treat! (haven't done it with the FW and keep the wheels on yet)

McThag
03-20-2006, 02:20 PM
I've been playing a long time and I still auger in from time to time. Usually when I am flying a type I have not flown in a while and I forget where I am.

slipBall
03-20-2006, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Spinnetti:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
Good for you, that's great. Now I want you to land on a carrier

LOL... Try it with your Me109.. I've been trying it with my FW190 - twice I've had to dead stick in (shot up engine) and over shot only to ditch in the sea. Twice I got it down on the deck, but ripped the gear off.

Landing without arrestor hooks is really a treat! (haven't done it with the FW and keep the wheels on yet) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I'll give it a try Spinnetti, I first have to find my swimming trunk's. I hope that they don't burn up in the crash http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dravisar
03-20-2006, 08:15 PM
You want pain? Try landing a 109G6 with 25% fuel, in full weather (I think snow is the last one in the list? or thunderstorms)in the evening (say 1500-1700 so the landing lights arent on)

Its horrible. you end up flying around at 50m, because thats about as far as you can see, when you fly over an airstrip, you have about 5 seconds to ID it, before you have to throttle all the way back, drop full flaps, drop the gear, and pull a 180 degree (more or less) to land on the run way. Its tons of fun, and even more fun if your drunk http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

codeseven7
03-20-2006, 08:29 PM
Which aircraft would be the easiest to land/fly in full real?

zoinks_
03-20-2006, 09:31 PM
codeseven, haven't come close to flying all but the easiest i've found is the sbd. good at flying slow and low and has little stall.

Nimits
03-20-2006, 09:47 PM
P-38 is probably be one of the easier aircraft to simply keep in the air and get back safely on the ground, particularly because if its reduced torque and tricycle gear (though in real life the dual engines would require more attention monitoring and controlling). Fighting it effectively is another matter entirely.

Light attack bombers (SBD, Stuka, D3A) are also very stable and have low stalling and landing speeds, making them easier to control.

One must keep in mind that a plane that is easy to fight in may not necessarily be easy to fly in.

zoinks_
03-21-2006, 12:22 AM
making it look easy:
start my turn...maybe a little early but i'm good. and hey, what's in a virtual life?
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding1.jpg
a little lower, a little slower, time to put down the sandwich.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding2.jpg
coming out of the turn...
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding3.jpg
don't know what i was worried about. this is child's play.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding4.jpg
wha? go around? NEVER!
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding5.jpg
the slight tug of the wire is a sure sign of a successful trap.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding6.jpg
wheel chock<STRIKE>s</STRIKE> in. not a scratch. textbook.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/clanding7.jpg

R988z
03-22-2006, 06:55 AM
I never found carrier landing that difficult, got it on my 5th attempt, still crash sometimes but mostly through impatience, or trying to land a B-24 on a carrier. I tend to like to come across fast, then up in a stall turn to bleed speed, cut throttle, prop pitch low, full flaps, then zig zag and/or slide slip in to bleed speed, cut back to take off flaps when your just near the runway at around 160ish then retract flaps full once you're just about to touch down, or have touched down, then kill the engine, and start tapping the brakes, whilst pulling the tail down to prevent nosing over and all the time gaing hard left and right rudder to bleed off more speed. Much easier if you have a twist stick or even better pedals, however I have to make do with a keyboard these days so it's still possible, just not as elegant.

Some times I'll come in on a wide arc as well, I hardly ever get the chance to come in for a normal landing online as I seem to have to try and land with damage like a dead or dying engine , holed wing, with a few bogeys trying to finish me off, usually with some clowns on my runway trying to take off as well, focuses the mind somewhat! I find ordinary landings a doodle after that, in fact they seem a bit boring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Dean3238
03-22-2006, 07:37 AM
Shoot... Landing on carriers is a cinch. Slam onto the deck, make sure your right wing catches on the Island. You'll come to a stop someplace on the deck... OK 50% chance you'll fall off and the carrier will run you over.

Roll out is shorter if you come in gear UP.

Oh, wait, you wanted to _use_ the plane again? Well, nevermind...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Dean

peterm1
03-27-2006, 11:29 PM
There is a rather nice mission that I downloaded from somewhere, where you are flying a SBD and the engine conks out and you have to land and then use the rear gun to defend against incoming Japanese planes attacking the field. Point is you start out right above the airfield and I have been having a wow of a time learning to spiral down using the airbrakes to slow and then land. Normally I give a lot of time to getting the speed and angle of approach right but with this mission that is not time for that so its a buz when you are eventually able to just drop the plane onto the runway with a minimum of fuss from a position just aft of the airstrip. If you have the mission give this a try. (Sorry cannot recall where it came from.) In fact I get aas much of a hoot out of difficult landings as I do from combat

Old_Canuck
03-28-2006, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Cworth:
Need some advice with landings..

I can get the planes down just not as smoothly as I would like.I do end up bouncing a bit or landing a bit deep on the runway.

What would you say are the best speeds to keep the plane at for a smooth landing.

I've been using the following formula since CFS2 and it works every time for every plane. At a high altitude, get your flaps and landing gear down into landing configuration and stall the plane with power off .. note the speed at the point when you stalled .. multiply that speed by 1.3. That will be your best approach speed. As you cross the threshold at that approach speed, chop power and glide until you settle to the ground. What I love about this sim is that you have to overcontrol to keep the wings level as you approach stall speed - just like a real airplane. Haven't flown a real airplane for a lot of years but IL2 is the only sim that brings back that feeling of flight.

anasteksi
03-28-2006, 12:25 PM
i've flown sims something like 8 years now (i was 10 years old when i started with warbirds) but still 1 of 4 landings fail because i try to land bit too slow, 160kph http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Carrier landings aren't really as hard as everyone claims.. i've landed succesfully with he-111, a-20 and b-25 to carriers deck. It just needs some practice and practice makes perfect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif well... allmost perfect (i need more.. much more practice)http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PBNA-Boosher
03-29-2006, 06:45 AM
I've never found landing very hard. Then again, I fly planes in real life. here's the basics of how I land:

Slow the plane up to 250 kph for initial entry into pattern at 500-600 meters, on downwind leg lower gear and flap settings to take-off, on final approach put in a lot of up trim and drop the landing flaps, make sure tailwheel is locked, flare 15 feet above the ground, and touch down as gently as possible by holding the stick back. If you're climbing you have too much speed. Ground effect should catch you. All the while, just make sure your airspeed stays 20-30 kph above the plane's stall speed. Bleed off that extra speed in the ground effect.

Actually, that sounds like a lot to do. I'll write a tutorial, and maybe produce a track.