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blackpulpit1970
11-01-2005, 12:56 PM
Hello all i would like some info on the 152 speed,climb,etc also what do you think about this bird online, what do you use for convergence and rad settings etc. Thanks all for the info. I would like to fly this plane more often online for those high flyin p-47s.

Kuna15
11-01-2005, 01:12 PM
This is one of the top prop fighters in game. It has monster high altitude performance, and is match for P-47. Over 9k it is probably unmatched prop fighter in game.

It has good RoC right from the deck to optimal altitude.

My pehaps best advice for you is to check out neural_dream aircraft reference guide. It contains very useful info http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

Kuna15
11-01-2005, 01:15 PM
nd's document link
http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#001

jimDG
11-01-2005, 01:43 PM
with combat flaps it has the same sustained turn performance as a spit at low level.
(I once went round and round behind a ta, in a spit 9, and we circled for 2-3 minutes full back stick without me gaining on the ta)

blackpulpit1970
11-01-2005, 01:56 PM
How do i engage the gm-1 boost above 9000, and thanks for the info so far keep it comin please.

Kuna15
11-01-2005, 02:06 PM
Same as MW-50 press your key for WEP/BOOST, above 9k GM-1 will automatically be used. You need to lower your throttle to preferably 0% before engaging MW-50 otherwise you will ruin engine when engaging MW-50. That is on all German aircraft fitted with this BOOST system.
Erh¶hte Notleistung BOOST is different however and can be engaged on all throttle settings.

robban75
11-01-2005, 02:44 PM
The Ta 152 is a hotrod! Bear in mind I haven't played the game for 6 months, and I have no idea what changes was brought in the last two patches. But if the Ta 152 is still the same, it's a killer at low and medium altitudes. At high altitudes it met its match in the Spitfire MkIX. Its climbrate at low and medium alts bested the P-51, P-47 and P-38. It was pretty much on par with the Yak-9U and inferior to the La-7 and Spitfire. The Ta 152 carries alot of fuel, so 25% is enough for online dogfights. The armament is excellent! At low altitude it is faster than most other planes, except for the La-7 and D-9 '45. It's pretty much on par with the P-51 and P-63. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Again, this might have changed in the last two patches, but I'll let someone else comment on that.

Gwalker70
11-01-2005, 04:12 PM
howcome you are not playing robban http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif ?

OldMan____
11-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Main change on last two patch robban is that down low nothing can run from US planes anymore. P38L and Mustang III give no chance on that subject.

Gwalker70
11-01-2005, 05:57 PM
yeah ... I fly in a popular HL server and the admin before 4.01 , who always flew the p51 D, told me basicly, 'oh,, ill never fly the Mustang 3... that will be a n00b plane ect ect... it wont be good anyways unless its on the deck yada yada' now ,, you have to pry his cold dead hands away from its stick .. and his best flying buddy flies it as well.. lol

robban75
11-02-2005, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by Gwalker70:
howcome you are not playing robban http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif ?

When my HD crashed 6 months ago, it took a while before I received a new one. I took a little time off from gaming, but lately I've been playing around with FS9. I've been thinking about re-installing FB/AEP. Maybe I should? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

fordfan25
11-02-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by OldMan____:
Main change on last two patch robban is that down low nothing can run from US planes anymore. P38L and Mustang III give no chance on that subject.


wrong. la-7 will out run all sept the mk3 stang and thats just if the guy in the mk3 has a week's free time to spend building up his speed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif109k4 dora are both able to keep distence from evry thing but the mk3.

mynameisroland
11-02-2005, 08:37 AM
For all practical purposes Id take the Fw 190 D9 44 or Fw 190 A9 (in that order) for combat up to 7000m. If I was going to encounter any high fliers Id take the Ta 152.

At altitudes from sea level up to 5000m I find both the A9 and D9 44 faster and more manuverable and both have the added luxury of more ammo for their 20mm guns and the WEP boost instead of MW50. You can run with WEP engaged indefinitely whereas MW50 is best used only in combat as it cooks your engine quicker. If you were to look at the performance of the Ta152 and compare it to these two the Ta152 only becomes superior at high altitudes and is actually at a disadvantage at low altitude, its rate of roll is much slower too - an Fw that cant roll !

Best option for me in current patch is Fw 190 A9 with 500kg bomb. Flying a Jabo against JS2's then engaging Sturmos and their escorts is great fun. 2 or 3 Fw 190's can still hold their own against La7's or the Yak3's if flown hard and fast.

mynameisroland
11-02-2005, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
Main change on last two patch robban is that down low nothing can run from US planes anymore. P38L and Mustang III give no chance on that subject.


wrong. la-7 will out run all sept the mk3 stang and thats just if the guy in the mk3 has a week's free time to spend building up his speed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif109k4 dora are both able to keep distence from evry thing but the mk3. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong. K4 and D9 can keep a distance from everything except MK III and La7 and also the Tempest when we get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vipez-
11-02-2005, 09:03 AM
Think P51D is also slightly faster on sealevel, than K-4.. atleast so far K-4 has not yet catched my p51D..

As for the Subject.. I really dislike TA-152, esspecially it's high altitude perfomance seems very poor in the game.. We were flying in warclouds, and a single Spit9HF dominated the fight, when we were fighting around 9000 meters with 6 TA152s on comms flying together.... I refused to believe it, and hopped in Spit9HF, and holy ****! Spit9HF is still much better high altitude fighter, than TA152... atleast how it behaves there (not like a flying rock)..

Imho TA152H-1 in the game is overmodelled in sealevel speeds (580kmh?) , and much undermodelled in high altitude perfomance.. ( I certainly can't get her to 752 kmh at 9k) and above all it accelerates really poorly there.. weird..

kubanloewe
11-02-2005, 10:48 AM
that´s right Vipez...Oleg´s heightmodelling isn´t good. It feels like he only put extra weight on some planes at high altidute and reduce it on some othershttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The TA152H with it´s long wings should fly very easy and stable at high altitudes and also in tight turns. Willi Reschke who flew the TA152H write in his Book that the Ta152H could do very tight turns especially at high altitudes but rolling was much slower than 190A because of long wingspan.
He says clearly that the TA152H was his insurance for life at the end of war.

The book discribes more his career as a member of one of the "Wilde Sau" Jagdgeschwader and he flew 109G´s in Austria and later 190A8/9 in Germany and in the last months he was one of the few pilots who flew the TA152H.

here´s the Amazon Link for his Book in ENGLISH(Think he is still alive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764321307/qid=11.../302-9512490-3867237 (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764321307/qid=1130954395/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_24_10/302-9512490-3867237)

robban75
11-02-2005, 12:04 PM
The problem with the Ta 152 in-game was (is?) its habbit of going into uncontrollable spins. Historical reports say pretty much the contrary.

StellarRat
11-02-2005, 12:28 PM
If you want to stay alive in a 152 you need to fly above 8000m. You can drop down to 7000m in a B and Z then go back up. You'll be lonely though.

darkhorizon11
11-02-2005, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gwalker70:
howcome you are not playing robban http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif ?

When my HD crashed 6 months ago, it took a while before I received a new one. I took a little time off from gaming, but lately I've been playing around with FS9. I've been thinking about re-installing FB/AEP. Maybe I should? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If we really need to answer that for you... you might want to see a doctor! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

robban75
11-04-2005, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
If we really need to answer that for you... you might want to see a doctor! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I guess you're right! Although, staying away from the game has been good for my other hobbies. And my girlfriend certianly seems happier! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

msalama
11-04-2005, 01:51 AM
Here're the original German pilot's notes (http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/Freebies/HandlingNotes/aircraftinfo.asp?ID=168) for the Ta-152H. Maybe you'd like to check them out as well?

FatBoyHK
11-04-2005, 08:03 AM
Common wisdom suggest flying a TA up high but since this patch I have seen many many TA on the deck TnBing with spit.... and WIN. I can't comment on this, I am not experienced on a TA....

Von_Rat
11-04-2005, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Common wisdom suggest flying a TA up high but since this patch I have seen many many TA on the deck TnBing with spit.... and WIN. I can't comment on this, I am not experienced on a TA....

there are alot of very, very, bad spit pilots.

WOLFMondo
11-04-2005, 09:46 AM
And some very good TA pilots.

faustnik
11-04-2005, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Common wisdom suggest flying a TA up high but since this patch I have seen many many TA on the deck TnBing with spit.... and WIN. I can't comment on this, I am not experienced on a TA....

The Ta152 was designed to fight at very high altitudes with the GM1 boost system. With the situation in Germany in 1945 however, Jg301 frequently ended up using the Ta152s in low altitude Jabo intercepts. They found the Ta to be an excellent dogfighter.

I'm sure there are a lot more Ta152s on Warclouds than there ever were operating over Germany in 1945. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SithSpeeder
11-04-2005, 10:10 AM
msalama

Posted Fri November 04 2005 00:51
Here're the original German pilot's notes for the Ta-152H. Maybe you'd like to check them out as well? Well, my German is a bit rusty (ok, so I don't speak German AT ALL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif )--is there a translated version of this?

* _54th_Speeder *

cawimmer430
11-04-2005, 10:19 AM
I find the Ta-152H to be a good HA fighter, but at low altitude, its performance is rather meager. It's a fast propeller plane though and fairly stable gun platform. Manuevering in it is a bit hard though, I suppose it has something to do with the computer programming.

BTW, I always engaged the MW-50 at some throttle power other than 0%! I just learned something new! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Estocade85
11-04-2005, 10:28 AM
I just turned to the Dark Side...

TAs are wonderful! I really like its high altitude and stable gunnery platform, plus the climb/turn rate. Perfect plane for me :P

BTW how long does the MW-50 and GM1 boosts last?

msalama
11-04-2005, 10:31 AM
is there a translated version of this?

Hmm... not that I know of. Anyone?

cawimmer430
11-04-2005, 10:41 AM
I speak German, and this document basically tells the pilot how to fly, what to do, what not to do etc. Maybe when I have some time I'll provide a few translations. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SithSpeeder
11-05-2005, 09:44 AM
Christian--

That'd be awesome, dude. I'd put it on a website for you, if you did.

* _54th_Speeder *