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Ironman69
09-11-2005, 07:19 PM
Setting your joystick to all 100 for pitch/roll/yaw is good for what? Bad for what?
Setting it for a slight curve upwards is good for what? Bad for what? Which you prefer?

Ironman69
09-11-2005, 07:19 PM
Setting your joystick to all 100 for pitch/roll/yaw is good for what? Bad for what?
Setting it for a slight curve upwards is good for what? Bad for what? Which you prefer?

3.JG51_BigBear
09-11-2005, 08:01 PM
I do straight to 100 on elevators, on rudder and ailerons I like to go something like 50, 75, 100 (a little less dramatic on the ailerons when flying the 190). These real quick setting are great for high energy passes. They allow you to line of the target very quickly.

-HH- Beebop
09-11-2005, 08:19 PM
the following is taken from Airwarfare's guide to Joysticks:

The actual settings that work best vary depending on what joystick you're using, what aircraft you're flying and what your personal preferences are. To give you an idea how much they vary, here are a few examples:

Oleg Maddox:
Roll: 1 3 6 12 21 32 44 61 81 100
Pitch: 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100
Yaw: 0 10 19 32 43 54 63 74 86 100

crazyivan1970:
Roll: 27 38 52 63 69 75 83 88 93 100
Pitch: 28 44 55 62 70 79 88 93 96 100
Yaw: 29 40 48 57 66 76 86 93 95 100 plus 7 deadband.

The Author:
Roll: 13 21 28 39 53 65 77 88 96 100
Pitch: 22 28 37 45 54 65 77 88 97 100
Yaw: 35 41 48 56 67 76 82 89 95 100

As a starting point, the author suggests the following:
Roll: 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
Pitch: 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
Yaw: Leave it at default for the time being.

Link:
Joystick Settings (http://www.airwarfare.com/tech/sticks.htm)

Experiment and find what's best for you.

Ironman69
09-11-2005, 09:46 PM
What if your syle of fighting is with say lots of initial High speed zooms..followed then by slow speed TnB with scissors and loops.? Which joystick setting is best for this? Say..with an La5fn or Bf109G

Zjoek
09-12-2005, 12:53 AM
I prefer my joystick settings stock. 10-20-30 etc... I don't want any strange jumps in deflection when I pull the joystick closer to me. With a precision joystick, this'll work fine for accurate shooting. Frame rate affects that much more IMHO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

alert_1
09-12-2005, 03:13 AM
After experimenting with every possible settings I went finaly to DEFAULT one. 100% across the board is simply too sensitive for me (Cyborg EVO) while conservative settings 1,4...81,100 is too sluggish (but feels more real IMO), default=proportionla and smooth with neither jumping nor slow reactions.

HotelBushranger
09-12-2005, 03:15 AM
For me, I'd like to have the 10-bout 50 range very low, because when I'm on the tail of planes, I might accidently pull that too hard and the sight will yank up, constant annoyance. Gotta get that done sometime lol. Already at a curve, but needs adjustment to make it right, thats the secret!

rnzoli
09-12-2005, 03:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
After experimenting with every possible settings I went finaly to DEFAULT one. 100% across the board is simply too sensitive for me (Cyborg EVO) while conservative settings 1,4...81,100 is too sluggish (but feels more real IMO), default=proportionla and smooth with neither jumping nor slow reactions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly what happened to me, too. I went back to default 10-20-30... etc.

With 100%, you need a very accurate, possibly 10-bit resolution value range on each axes. Most mid-range joys have 7-bit resolutions only (127 discrete values of movement), sidewinder prevision 2 had 8-bit resolution (256 values).

With non-100% all the way, we simply trade stall-control accuracy to gain aiming accurace. The default one is a good compromise to fly both T&B and B&Z planes. I would figure that if someone flies only B&Z, then lower start of the curve applies (aiming accurace for high speed passes), and greater start of curve applies to T&B (for stall-riding accuracy).

One big learning for me though: the adjustment options are NOT CAPABLE to compensate sh***itty joysticks, worn-out pots, bad wire contacts and other joystick plagues, no matter how much you tweak it.

FA_Whisky
09-12-2005, 04:12 AM
1Y=0 22 27 32 36 41 45 49 53 56 60 0

Tully__
09-12-2005, 06:03 AM
Ironman69, I think you'd be better off posting:

"I have X joystick and fly Y plane in b&Z/t&b style. Can you suggest some settings?"

The way you've phrased it, you're just as likely to get a different opinion from every member of the community and be no better off than when you started.

For the moment I'd suggest you click the "Joysticks..." link under my signature picture and read the section about "Setting up sensitivity". This will help you to understand what the settings do and assist you in making up your own mind how you'd like it set up.

han freak solo
09-12-2005, 06:09 AM
I like my joystick settings and my women with curves.

Well, I do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

jimDG
09-12-2005, 06:50 AM
the curve at any particular joust deflection point reflects how much controlability you have at this point.
So, if the curve is shallow in the beginnig and steep at the end - than you have precision when flying straight, and not much control when turning tightly.
After trying olegs settings, and a few curvy ones of my own I am now firmly commited to the default settings (same precision/slope everywhere, no curve). The make high angle deflection shots easiest for me..

JunkoIfurita
09-12-2005, 07:26 AM
Depends on the stick, really.

I have to use Full 100s on my X-52, because anything else gives absolutely sh1t all response. Full 100s makes it not a bad stick, really.

I used Defaults or Oleg's reccomended settings when I had a Thrustmaster Afterburner II. Wouldn't even consider full 100s for those.

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Vacillator
09-12-2005, 09:07 AM
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What JunkoIfurita said, as I also have an x52. Unless I'm on 100s it feels way too sloppy and slow. But on 100s I've got used to it and I like it.
Previous stick was an Afterburner and I had it on default.

LEBillfish
09-12-2005, 09:38 AM
Mine, a gradually increasing curve....

1X=0 3 10 18 27 37 48 60 73 87 100 0
1Y=0 3 10 18 27 37 48 60 73 87 100 0
1RZ=0 3 10 18 27 37 48 60 73 87 100 0

and still too twitchy, used to have it from 3-85% but lost configuration. Logitech Extreme 3d Pro (and love the stick, it's solid...That's coming from 6 years with a MS PP optical non-FF which was outstnding).

If you find yourself stalling tone it down....IMLTHO it all really depends on your style and how well YOU actually can control the stick. With my very small hands I actually cannot grip the stick high comfortably (higher, where your thumb and forefinger meet is where you are really controling it from) So gripping lower means "a less precise control" (higher more movement for same result).....

In kind, the position of the stick in relation to your body will have an effect. If sitting up high in front of you you will tend to pull back harder then push forward. Too low the opposite. Ideal is roughly your upper arm hanging straight down, your lower arm perpendicular, so essentially it sitting lap high.

For most of us that is not practical....So consider due to its location rotating the back of the stick to be inline with your forearm, and if higher then 90degrees from you reduce your elevator inputs till you find the ideal.
(This way, rudder and aileron inputs are somewhat balanced to you, and it is in pulling back "to climb" that is most important to how most fly so more important that elevator takes that into consideration).

ColoradoBBQ
09-12-2005, 11:43 AM
1X=0 1 3 7 16 25 38 49 66 86 100 0
1Y=0 1 3 7 16 25 38 49 66 86 100 0
1RZ=0 1 3 7 16 25 38 49 66 86 100 0

I find this setting is best for energy flying, T&B and B&Z mixed, though these sensitive settings needs to incorporate some constant on-the-fly trim settings. Its also good with dogfighting in some American planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Lunix
09-12-2005, 12:38 PM
I have allways used curves with my logitech and Saitek sticks but since I got my fighter stick I find the precision lends itself well to a straight line.