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LeadSpitter_
09-17-2005, 10:35 PM
we really want this flyable after tasting it with p40 pit. Its ashame one of the best looking external models in game is not flyable.

D520 and ms406 too, maybe ubi can take the time for some french flown ac http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The emils really need some opponents in this game especially spit mk1a which can be done in a less then a day.

Kuna15
09-18-2005, 12:18 AM
I have wanted flyable MS.406 from long time ago now.

But most likely we wont see any of these you mentioned above.
We must wait 'till BoB, and some BoF add-on come out I presume.

FAW-SPIT
09-18-2005, 05:07 AM
Hi Leadspitter..
We only have to FLy H75 with pit of P40 in a beta release.. As french we will hope.. and always hopping..

But As said by Kuna think we must wait after BoB and add ons not 100% sure of official.. about Battle Of France / Lowcountries / 9/39 poland.. (and for now.. if we have many docs and info we need specs.. to begin work.. )

ElAurens
09-18-2005, 09:37 AM
The Curtiss Hawk 75/P-36 flew in Europe and the Pacific/China/Burma/India theatres.

It is a beautiful aircraft and in real life was a very good flyer. It was more maneuverable than any P40, or even the Emil or Spitfire Mk.I below 15,000ft. It had excellent dive characteristics and was a robust airframe.

I hope we can fly it someday soon.

http://www.blitzpigs.com/photos/elP36.jpg

tomtheyak
09-18-2005, 01:16 PM
Depends on what you want... do you want an H-75 or do u want a P-36 - two subtley but quite different cockpits.

H-75 would have to have metric instruments and the ****-eyed throttle ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) that the french had before occupation.

I'm not fussed personally bout flying an H-75 with the -36 'pit, but i get the feeling 1C would point to this as factors against modelling it.

It's a shame tho - i'd like to play with the Mohawk too...

DIRTY-MAC
09-18-2005, 02:02 PM
Its absolutely one of the most important aircraft we could have as it was used by so many countries,


China
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
USA
Thailand
Finland
France
France (Vichy)


and on almost all fronts

SkyChimp
09-18-2005, 04:12 PM
Agree. I hope its in the upcoming BoB, too. Be great for the Battle of France.

CHDT
09-18-2005, 04:22 PM
and why not, as an "ersatz" solution, to be able to fly the P-36 with the P-40B cockpit.

I think nobody will make a depression about this.

Chuck_Older
09-18-2005, 05:15 PM
SOMEbody spent a lot of time and effort on the H75 for this sim. very nice model, and very nice visual damage model
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/damH75.jpg


We really do kinda need it. I'm messing around with Battle of France scenarios and I love the Emil; but I'd like to make some French fighter pilot missions and I'm forced to substitute an H81A-2...which the French never got...for the Hawk 75, and I don't like it. So all my missions are german which is fine, but I'd like to explore the other side, and it's impossible. I think this is what has killed a lot of BoF interest with this sim. Personally I lust for some BoF scenarios

Chuck_Older
09-18-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by CHDT:
and why not, as an "ersatz" solution, to be able to fly the P-36 with the P-40B cockpit.

I think nobody will make a depression about this.

I wouldn't mind one bit. I suspect Oleg would mind though.

jeanba2
09-19-2005, 04:17 AM
Bump for a flyable H-75 (and MS406 too) ...

CHDT
09-19-2005, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHDT:
and why not, as an "ersatz" solution, to be able to fly the P-36 with the P-40B cockpit.

I think nobody will make a depression about this.

I wouldn't mind one bit. I suspect Oleg would mind though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It wouldn't be so serious, no need for the realism-samourais to make seppuku! Especially, as this sim is to be replaced in a not so long time.

In fact, it's just a waste that such a beautiful external model has been done for almost nothing.

jeanba2
09-19-2005, 05:24 AM
Anyway, everybody uses the J8 as a Gladiator, and the cockpits are quite different ...

VT-51_Razor
09-19-2005, 08:32 AM
Especially, as this sim is to be replaced in a not so long time.

IMHO, that is primarily WHY UBiSoft is not interested in supporting this sim any longer! They don't want any competition for BoB. And again, IMHO, that is why all these requests for additional a/c, ships, objects, FMB/QMB features, and FM changes will never happen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LeadSpitter_
09-23-2005, 11:43 AM
bmp dont let this model go to waste as ai only

UF-Josse
09-23-2005, 02:14 PM
This plane would be a great addition to the game as flyable... with one generic P36 or h75 pit for all models, and why not, P40b pit.....

DjTeD
09-23-2005, 03:30 PM
Yep. Totally agree with Josse's opinion !!!

JG53Frankyboy
09-23-2005, 03:58 PM
oh yes , they would fit wondefull as finnish fighters on the Finnland map, as french fighters on the Normandie map and as US fighters on the Hawaii map.

but i give them zero chance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BorisGodounov
09-23-2005, 04:08 PM
I do indeed agree that such a nice plane should be left apart. Furthermore, as has already been posted, an acceptable cockpit already exists, and I bet the AI flight model could be managed as is, so happy everyone would be to fly her !

Mr Maddox, be assured that this would be very much appreciated !

Tromplamort
09-23-2005, 05:14 PM
Yep some plane are really missing as pilotable...H-75, Ms-406... Both would have fitted many theatre of operation...

straighton
09-23-2005, 06:59 PM
ouais il a raison http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

straighton c'est l'autre nom de crickey, mais en fait j'ai dut perdre mon mot de passe et.............enfin rien, normal quoi, c'est moi

MrOblongo
09-23-2005, 07:06 PM
Well...if there will be no more UBI/Oleg or whatever support for thsi game to keep growing. Make the game open for modding for the community when BOB cames out...why not?

ChrisGibon
09-24-2005, 01:41 AM
Yes, it would be very interesting to be able to fly H75 versus the oldest versions of the axix planes.

Its 1200 hp engine (Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp SIC3G for A3 or Wright Cyclone R-1820-G205A for A4) and its six 7.5 mm machine-guns would allow us a good chalenge vs 1940/1941 axis planes.

Luftwaffe_109
09-24-2005, 03:57 AM
Bump for H-75 and MS-406 .

GoToAway
09-24-2005, 01:37 PM
Somebody was working on this a while back (maybe Gibbage or PlaneEater? I don't recall.) Whoever it was said that all work had stopped.

jagdmailer
09-24-2005, 02:20 PM
Saqson said there was a couple of "surprise" planes being worked on. Perhaps that may be one of the surprises? Too bad the work stopped on this one, as I was actually looking forward to a flyable H-75 variant or 2.

Jagd

JG52Karaya-X
09-25-2005, 06:04 AM
The Hawk75 would be a first step towards a decent Battle-of-France scenario (we already have the french ordered Hawker Hurricane MK.Is that were less powerful than their 1940 RAF equivalents).
MS406 and MS410 would be cool too but I'm afraid those two planes would need a better 3D model and foremost a new DM as their current one is of IL2 quality at best...

Vipez-
09-26-2005, 09:14 AM
Just to make it clear, hurri mk1s we have in the game are finnish Hurri mk1s.. though they probably will pass as french hurricanes as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JG52Karaya-X
09-26-2005, 11:44 AM
Thought the Finnish got theirs after the defeat of France from the Germans...I'm not too sure however http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

That was at least the case with the MS.406 and 410

JG53Frankyboy
09-26-2005, 11:50 AM
the finns got their Hurricanes directly from the UK

http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/fighters.html

as also the Rumanians http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Viikate_
09-26-2005, 04:08 PM
H-75 pit would be first on my to-do list, but it's too late. Hopefully the game engine is someday "opened" for 3rd party.

Finding good H-75 references is still problem. P-36 would be easier to model.

Does anyone have access to this pit?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/achtungindianer/Photo%20Files/US%20Aircraft/P-36%20Mohawk/Warbirds/TFC%20Hawk%2075/TFCHawk75005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/achtungindianer/Photo%20Files/US%20Aircraft/P-36%20Mohawk/Warbirds/TFC%20Hawk%2075/TFCHawk75004a.jpg

Looks like they painted the pit green. I think it's wrong. Kossu once called Ky¶sti "K¶ssi" Karhila (18 kills with H-75) and asked about the color of the pit. K¶ssi said that is was definitely NOT green. He described it as grey with brownish tone. I think K¶ssi's description matches with French color "cockpit camois"

http://www.jpsmodell.de/shop/jpsfl2_e.htm

Here's some original H-75 gauges from Hallinportti:

http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/sussu_speed.jpg
http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/sussu_vario.jpg
http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/sussu_flaps.jpg

CHDT
09-27-2005, 05:02 AM
More simple.

- The H-75 was flyable in a beta.

- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.

- It would be a waste to have done for nothing such a beautiful model like the H-75 in this game.



So, for the next patch, I would by far prefer a flyable H-75 (with zero extra work, as it was flyable in the beta, with its FM) than to get a 36th newest variant of the Yak-9!

CHDT
09-27-2005, 05:04 AM
Btw, for the nitpickers who would say "how can I fly an H-75 with a cockpit only historically accurate to 95%", I would answer "is it more accurate to fly a British Gladiator with a J8 cockpit"?

nakamura_kenji
09-27-2005, 05:12 AM
p-36 = mohawk ???

very nice model i not fly but fun fight against in ki-43

JG53Frankyboy
09-27-2005, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by CHDT:
More simple.

- The H-75 was flyable in a beta.



with a P-40 cockpit !

CHDT
09-27-2005, 05:15 AM
- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.


So, replay:


- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.


Btw, for the nitpickers who would say "how can I fly an H-75 with a cockpit only historically accurate to 95%", I would answer "is it more accurate to fly a British Gladiator with a J8 cockpit"?

JG53Frankyboy
09-27-2005, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
p-36 = mohawk ???

very nice model i not fly but fun fight against in ki-43

yes, the RAF used the Hawk 75A4 as MohawkIV in Burma/India . and fought succsesfull against Ki-43 , sure the not flyable Ki-43-II http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy
09-27-2005, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by CHDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.


So, replay:


- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.


Btw, for the nitpickers who would say "how can I fly an H-75 with a cockpit only historically accurate to 95%", I would answer "is it more accurate to fly a British Gladiator with a J8 cockpit"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

in that anciant BETA it had the P-40E pit - just that the Betatesters could test something, as i remember the gear function, more easier.

but as i said, count me in for a flyable P-36 , 100% !

CHDT
09-27-2005, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHDT:
More simple.

- The H-75 was flyable in a beta.



with a P-40 cockpit ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Btw, if you are not happy with it, nobody forces you to fly with this aircraft.

Frankly, what's more irrealistic a H-75 with a P-40B cockpit (as both aircrafts share about the same cockpit) or fantasy planes like the double 109 or the Horten flying wing which never flew with its armement?

No, there's simply no valid reason to not have a flyable H-75 in this game.

CHDT
09-27-2005, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.


So, replay:


- The latest H-75/P-36 shared the same cockpit (with minor differencies)with the first P-40B's.


Btw, for the nitpickers who would say "how can I fly an H-75 with a cockpit only historically accurate to 95%", I would answer "is it more accurate to fly a British Gladiator with a J8 cockpit"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

in that anciant BETA it had the P-40E pit - just that the Betatesters could test something, as i remember the gear function, more easier.

but as i said, count me in for a flyable P-36 , 100% ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Once again, the first P-40B's share about the same cockpit with the latest P-36/H-75.

So, this is not a valid argument for not having this aircraft in the game, as its FM was also done.


And it would be a good think also to have this aircraft in the next patch, as the next patch is really not exciting, about the aircrafts (a new Yak-9, great; and another P-47 noboby will fly because of its ugly cockpit).

Viikate_
09-27-2005, 05:41 AM
P-40B panel in game
http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/P-40_pit.jpg

P-36A panel
http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/P-36_pit.jpg

H-75 panel
http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/H-75_pit.jpg
(variometer and turn/bank indicator are hidden behind gun sight)

Pretty big differences between P-40 and H-75 panels. Sidewalls have major differences as well.

CHDT
09-27-2005, 06:52 AM
And the Gladiator and the J8 which have completely different cockpits, but we have nevertheless a Gladiator in the game.

And I simply don't understand your point.

- No extra work for the developer.
- FM done.
- General arrangment of the cockpit similar.
- Beautiful external 3d model until now totally wasted for nothing.

- And above all, nobody is obliged to use this aircraft if he doesn't want to use it.


And again, we have in the game fantasy planes like the Horten which are equiped like operational aircrafts, in spite of these prototypes never flew with armamement.

CHDT
09-27-2005, 06:54 AM
And I forgot tons of new scenarios possible with a flyable H-75.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-27-2005, 07:09 AM
The H-75 was one of the most-anticipated aircraft by the early-war crowd for a long time. The need is there and its relevance in many scenarios/theaters of operation is well-documented.

I don't know what the motivation (or lack thereof) is regarding this aircraft, but like the prominent absence of a torpedo plane in PF, it may just be something we have to live with which is really too bad.

Likely it would rarely be flown as those who think a plane should always perform based on its looks (or their perception/misconception) would be disappointed after being de-winged repeatedly.

I wanted it then...and still do though.



TB

Viikate_
09-27-2005, 07:17 AM
I'm just telling the facts. I want it to be flyable more than anyone. I made the external 3D-model and I'm finnish, so the H-75 is definitely one of my favourite planes.

But I would rather wait for x months and fly correct H-75 pit than fly in P-36 pit with imperial units (which i can't read). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Bluestone was the original H-75 pit modeller and he promised to send the unfinished pit to me. I don't know anything about Luthers current plans but back in July he was planning to have H75/P36 flyable in PF.

Feathered_IV
09-27-2005, 07:20 AM
Luthier? Are you still here?

triggerhappyfin
09-27-2005, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Luftwaffe_109:
Bump for H-75 and MS-406 .

Yes...the forgotten battles forgot the battle of france http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

triggerhappyfin
09-27-2005, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:

Pretty big differences between P-40 and H-75 panels. Sidewalls have major differences as well.

What I´ve seen of different cockpits, there was a lot of variations between ac:s of same kind too. The fact you have a pic on one pit dont nesseceraly mean it depicts the standard.
So why not use the p-40 pit(I´m sure some minor adjustments could be achieved by the developers to somewhat make it more real.)
The readme in coming patch shows a request by the community beeing met by implementing the new Yak http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

The H-75 looks like beeing almost complete too and with a surtain level of liberal view on historical accuracy I´m sure the model could be finished in the same manner as the Yak. Would make a lot people happy to fly a plane used by their owne airforces..Finns, French..etc etc.

harryklein66
09-27-2005, 12:50 PM
P36 VS P40B
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/harryklein/p40vsp36_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/harryklein/eecec1cb.jpg

CHDT
09-28-2005, 02:28 AM
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8982/hawk75pit4um.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

CHDT
09-28-2005, 02:32 AM
So, it's obvious that the P-36 pit is extremely similar to the P-40B pit and that the H-75 pit, although with a little more differences, is too very similar to the P-40B pit.

Sturm_Williger
09-28-2005, 04:48 AM
Bump for Battle of France possibilities with a flyable Hawk75.

I care not if the pit is not 100% accurate. "Close enough" will do nicely http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mole_boy
09-28-2005, 06:15 AM
hurray for p-36, its close enough.

Da_Godfatha
09-28-2005, 10:54 AM
Hmmm, I don`t think so Tim! Lets face it, the Soviets never used it, so we won`t either. We will get the 100th version of a Yak, Lagg, ***g or some other plane hardly anyone use`s. And don`t forget, it has NO 30mm laser-beam cannon!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

It is funny tho, UbiSoft a French company, and Forgotton Battles was mostly the Finnish Sector, and this plane never made it as flyable? Very, very strange. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

VT-51_Razor
09-29-2005, 08:36 AM
UBiSoft has nothing to do with the content of IL-2. They are just paying for the boxes, jewl cases, and renting the retail shelf space to sell the game.

horseback
09-29-2005, 12:09 PM
In reference to the Hawk 75-O; I thought that it and the M were fixed gear models with 'simplified' or at least less modern cockpit equipment. Curtiss sold a wide variety of Hawk 75 models all around the world, and it flew in South American, Asian, and European air forces. It's my understanding that the Finns received former French H-75As, with little change, although the reflector sights were probably changed to something less bulky.

By the way, while the Hawk 75-A3/4 was considered by the RAF to be superior to the Spitfire and Hurricane in the horizontal, it was considered (with its original French armament) to be undergunned and inferior in both climb and dive, as well as somewhat slower, and was not used during the Battle of Britain, although significant numbers were available and ready for use in great Britain.

cheers

horseback

Ugly_Kid
09-29-2005, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
Hmmm, I don`t think so Tim! Lets face it, the Soviets never used it, so we won`t either. We will get the 100th version of a Yak, Lagg, ***g or some other plane hardly anyone use`s. And don`t forget, it has NO 30mm laser-beam cannon!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Not quite - Finns retrofitted them with Berezina MGs so yes there is a historical version with Oleg's laser beams - let the reds taste their own medicine for once http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GerritJ9
09-30-2005, 07:29 AM
The Cyclone-engined 75A-4 should be done first- it was very similar to the 75A-7 used by the KNIL.

faelas
09-30-2005, 01:24 PM
I bet even Russian plane fans would rather have a new plane than a new version of an old plane.

TX-Gunslinger
09-30-2005, 09:34 PM
I rarely post requests for planes.

But this time, I'll make an exception.... The Hawk is one of the most well done external models in the game with no cockpit. I've flown against them alot in QMB because they are very manueverable and have great guns. I've often wondered if we will get this plane because I'd love to fly it, and it would flesh out the Battle of France better.

Please make this plane flyable, and for me the P40 cockpit would be just excellent.

S~

Gun

JG53Frankyboy
10-01-2005, 05:02 AM
cockpits for the Hawk75s and the Oscar IIs would be VERY welcome for the propably comming North-Burma map from Ian Boys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Unknown-Pilot
01-06-2006, 10:31 PM
Thought I'd bump this rather than start a new thread.

Playing the Finnish campaign got me really wanting this plane - bad.

Since the Finns used it, and they have so few aircraft available to them, AND the last release was supposed to be "Forgotten Battles", when we got all the Finnish stuff (IIRC), why do we not have it?

Someone said it was flyable in a beta? Which beta?

Any more news on this? We'd take it with any cockpit, just let us fly it. Please!

ElAurens
01-07-2006, 08:00 AM
Unknown Pilot,

I believe it was one of the 3 series betas, and it used the P40 cockpit.

I agree totally with you on this. The Hawk 75/P36 is a very underrated aircraft today, but in the early parts of WW2 it was still quite good. The second highest scoring Finnish Squadron was equipped with H75s that were captured by the Germans after the fall of France. Many of these aircraft were almost in "as new" condition as H75 deliverys to France came quite late and most were still being assembeled or were awaiting crews to be trained on the new type.

And it bears repeating that the P36/H75, like the P40s that came after it, were very robust aircraft, had excellent dive characteristics and speed, and could out turn the Spitfire Mk.I under 15,000 feet.

Also, the remaining H75s that were in the pipeline to France after the fall were seconded to the RAF. Many of these operated with the RAF in Burma, and we are getting a Burma map soon...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GCIII-6_Hartenstein
01-07-2006, 08:43 AM
You must remember too that french/finish H75 got metrics instruments and french gunsight in stead of US instruments.
Make H75 cockpit mean make 2 different cockpits: one for finish and french air forces and one for the USAAF and RAF.

Unknown-Pilot
01-07-2006, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by GCIII-6_Hartenstein:
You must remember too that french/finish H75 got metrics instruments and french gunsight in stead of US instruments.
Make H75 cockpit mean make 2 different cockpits: one for finish and french air forces and one for the USAAF and RAF.

I point to the J8A as mentioned in this thread. Had a different pit from the Gladiator, but that doesn't stop us from using it as such.

Pick one, make it, and that's good enough.

heywooood
01-07-2006, 11:32 AM
yep - we're already having to substitute Sturmoviks for Devastators
...what the hell is the difference if we swap cockpits fer cheesesakes.

realism took a backseat in this sim when PF came out IMO..

Unknown-Pilot
01-07-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
yep - we're already having to substitute Sturmoviks for Devastators
...what the hell is the difference if we swap cockpits fer cheesesakes.

realism took a backseat in this sim when PF came out IMO..

More like when IL2 came out, but nevermind......

WWIIOL_toof
01-07-2006, 06:11 PM
I thought French cockpits were blue...

also French H-75's can be flown in WWIIOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bremspropeller
01-08-2006, 07:40 AM
Count me in for the P-36 supporters ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

vocatx
01-08-2006, 02:20 PM
I would dearly love to be able to fly the P-36/H-75. I know the P-40 is the later "improved" version, but something about the P-36 just makes you long to try it out. Maybe the round engine?

Yes, count me in for this one, too. And I wouldn't mind using ONE 'pit for the entire line. Like it's stated above, there are plenty of inaccuracies in aircraft we already have, like Zero, Spit, and using J8A for the Gladiator Mk. I.

Unknown-Pilot
01-08-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by vocatx:
I would dearly love to be able to fly the P-36/H-75. I know the P-40 is the later "improved" version, but something about the P-36 just makes you long to try it out. Maybe the round engine?

Yes, count me in for this one, too. And I wouldn't mind using ONE 'pit for the entire line. Like it's stated above, there are plenty of inaccuracies in aircraft we already have, like Zero, Spit, and using J8A for the Gladiator Mk. I.

The Hellcat 'pit isn't even close to being correct either. It's not a -5, nor a -3. It's got some of both, and some of neither. It's just flat wrong.

ElAurens
01-08-2006, 04:16 PM
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p36-3.jpg

A beauty she is.

Makes one wonder how Curstiss Hawks would have ended up if they had kept using ever larger radials.

A P40 with an R2800?

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berg417448
01-08-2006, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p36-3.jpg

A beauty she is.

Makes one wonder how Curstiss Hawks would have ended up if they had kept using ever larger radials.

A P40 with an R2800?

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Check this site:

http://curtisshawk75.bravepages.com/

Has info on four proposed powerplant upgrades.

Sturm_Williger
01-09-2006, 06:39 AM
Flyable H75 would be a fantastic addition to the sim.

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Platypus_1.JaVA
01-09-2006, 09:23 AM
And what about this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/78/pics/144_2.jpg

ElAurens
01-09-2006, 10:52 AM
I'd like to see a skin of that...

Unknown-Pilot
01-09-2006, 11:53 AM
It's probably too late to call for a 'pit for the Morrane too, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

telsono
01-09-2006, 03:11 PM
I would love to have the Mohawk. It can be used for so many campaigns from early war to mid war. For the RAF, the last active front line Mohawk squadron was in the CBI until early 1944. Since we are getting a Burma map, it'll be a great companion to the Buffalo, Hurricane and P-40.

DIRTY-MAC
01-09-2006, 04:15 PM
If someone would take it on and finish it quickly and send it to Oleg, I think there is a chance of getting it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Waver_25th
01-10-2006, 12:29 AM
I would love to see both the H75 as well as the Dewontine D.520

crashmaster4000
01-10-2006, 10:57 AM
Count me in for an H75/P36 as well, although I wholly expect to see one more LaGG, a jet powered Nike shoebox, three+ yaks, an autogyro, a rocket assisted La7 lunar lander and the whole La9/11 series before we get this gem. No offense, but thats my prediction(sic). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mole_boy
01-11-2006, 06:13 PM
Hang on the difference between the cockpits is the numbering on the insruments right? Clearly the Finnish and French versions used different measurements and languages but would a P-36 not have the the sam language and gauges as an early P-40? Seems to me that if we could it a P-36 it would be perfectly accurate...

ElAurens
01-11-2006, 08:30 PM
Actually the French Hawk 75s had a considerably different cockpit layout than US P36s. Not just different languages but different instruments, oxygen equipment, and a totally different throttle quadrant. It worked in the opposite direction from everyone else's throttles. (Pushing it forward closes it).

The early P40s were similar, but still different.

It's kind of a can of worms, unfortunately. But in all reality the best compromise would be the French Hawk 75 variant. This version saw the most combat,as it was used by the French, Finns, and the RAF.

Unknown-Pilot
01-12-2006, 07:17 AM
Just another bump.

If it was ever flyable in any beta, then that means most of the work is done, and some sort of cockpit exists for it.

Even if it's a bloody payware release, we need this plane. (Or am I wrong in thinking that Forgotten Battles was about the Finnish war?) And since it's so close, it doesn't make any sense to not add it.

As for accuracy, I agree with El, that would be the best cockpit, and an ideal situation, but as I mentioned before, it's not like anyone was concerned about accuracy for the F6F cockpit. So the idea of 100% cockpit accuracy has long since gone out the window. (I won't even mention the most famous dead horse around here, but that's further shows that 100% 'pit/view accuracy isn't vital)

JG53Frankyboy
01-12-2006, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
Just another bump.

If it was ever flyable in any beta, then that means most of the work is done, and some sort of cockpit exists for it.

Even if it's a bloody payware release, we need this plane. (Or am I wrong in thinking that Forgotten Battles was about the Finnish war?) And since it's so close, it doesn't make any sense to not add it.

As for accuracy, I agree with El, that would be the best cockpit, and an ideal situation, but as I mentioned before, it's not like anyone was concerned about accuracy for the F6F cockpit. So the idea of 100% cockpit accuracy has long since gone out the window. (I won't even mention the most famous dead horse around here, but that's further shows that 100% 'pit/view accuracy isn't vital)

it used a P-40 pit in that beta - it was flyable in this bets that the testers could check something with the gear more easily - so far i remember.

but yes, using an early P-40 pit for it would be ok -the golden cow called "100% accuracy" is also dead in some other cases http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

nevertheless , a P-36 would be fantastic for the Normandie- , Finnland- , Hawaii- and Burma map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but i think we want too much, as always http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Unknown-Pilot
01-12-2006, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
but i think we want too much, as always http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A reasonable representation of the FAF for a game about their war is 'too much'? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

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JG53Frankyboy
01-12-2006, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
but i think we want too much, as always http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A reasonable representation of the FAF for a game about their war is 'too much'? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
FAF , french or finnish airforce ?

for the finnish we have already lot of fighters , sure not all flyable. but at least we have all , if im not wrong !
and their bombers too - sure only AI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

checked it:
we are missiing D.XXI and Do-17 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeLv44_Mangrove
01-12-2006, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
and their bombers too - sure only AI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


We are still missing these as AI / flyable...

Blackburn Ripon
Bristol Blenheim I / IV
Fokker CV / CX
Iljushin IL-4
Iljushin DB-3
Koolhoven F.K.52
Petlyakov Pe-2
Petlyakov Pe-3
Tupolev SB

Cheers

Mangrove

Unknown-Pilot
01-12-2006, 08:52 AM
Franky, FAF = Finnish.

As you said, we are missing the Fokker D.XXI (shouldn't that be E.VI? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif ) entirely, but the others are essentially missing as well.

AI only matters if you're flying *against* them, and perhaps that's it. We do have about 1000 Yak variants, plus 100 LaGGs and Las, plus MiGs and Polikarpovs that never saw any significant action. Yet so many flyable aircraft are missing from the FAF. I guess we see what side the dev wants us to fly for, eh?

We need the H.75, and the Morrane (forget the designation right at the moment) to be flyable, and the Fokker D.XXI to be added in the first place (flyable as well).

Forgotten Battles was only half remembered it would seem. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ImpStarDuece
01-12-2006, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by LeLv44_Mangrove:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
and their bombers too - sure only AI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


We are still missing these as AI / flyable...

Blackburn Ripon
Bristol Blenheim I / IV
Fokker CV / CX
Iljushin IL-4
Iljushin DB-3
Koolhoven F.K.52
Petlyakov Pe-2
Petlyakov Pe-3
Tupolev SB

Cheers

Mangrove </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blenheim I/ IV: Already in game
IL-4: Already in game
DB-3: Already in game
Pe-2: Already in game
Pe-3: Already in game
Sb: Already in game

All are AI (until the Pe-2/3 add-on is released)

LeLv44_Mangrove
01-12-2006, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:

Blenheim I/ IV: Already in game
IL-4: Already in game
DB-3: Already in game
Pe-2: Already in game
Pe-3: Already in game
Sb: Already in game

All are AI (until the Pe-2/3 add-on is released)

Yes, but as I said, AI / FLYABLE http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ps. Finnish Air Force is infact FiAF, not FAF (France Air Force)

Unknown-Pilot
01-12-2006, 12:02 PM
In WWII, French Air Force = non-existent. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
01-12-2006, 04:01 PM
Not exactly true Unknown-Pilot.

The Armée de l'Air made the Luftwaffe pay a far higher price than they expected. Luftwaffe losses in the Battle of France were 30% higher than the OKL predictied. The Curtiss Hawk acquitted itself quite well, even though the Bf109Es it faced were much faster. Given another month the French would have had their Cyclone powered H75s operational, and perhaps might have gotten a P40 or 2 that they had on order...

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DIRTY-MAC
01-12-2006, 06:11 PM
didn´t the luftwaffe loose more planes %
in frrance than during BoB

CaptJodan
01-12-2006, 07:46 PM
I'll add my voice to the need for the Curtis. I'm not really high on **** planes, truth be told, but this is a really nice looking plane that I'd like to fly. (I know, it won't perform as well as it looks) And "close enough" is just fine with me. It's not worth, to me, 5 more years in development to get a slightly more accurate cockpit.