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WilhelmVonPrang
06-07-2007, 10:41 AM
This is probably getting micro-obsessional with me but I can find no information anywhere on the net, in books or CDs (except here in virtual land) about whether any mark of Spitfire had tailwheel locks.

If they had, where is the cockpit lever/cam to operate it?

Any help gratefully rx'd...

Willi Pranger

Alienware m9700 maxed out and frying
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skycaptain_1
06-07-2007, 11:32 AM
Hi,

As far as I've seen the only thing was a way to lock the rudder position via a strut stowed on the right hand side of the cockpit aft of the seat, one locks the control column the other locks the rudder, which I guess would be used during storage and I've also read that:

quote" there is a tendency to swing to the left but this can easily checked with the rudder"

I guess you could take from that, that there wasn't really a need for a tail wheel lock.

mrsiCkstar
06-07-2007, 11:47 AM
atleast some planes locked their tailwheels by pulling back on the stick, and then unlocked the same way...

WilhelmVonPrang
06-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Many thanks for the quick and pertinent responses, chaps!




As far as I've seen the only thing was a way to lock the rudder position via a strut

Interesting but I can't see anything except battery and pushrod/cables back there in my sources...



quote" there is a tendency to swing to the left but this can easily checked with the rudder"

I guess you could take from that, that there wasn't really a need for a tail wheel lock.

If the Il2 rendition is correct, no amount of right rudder tweaking will get a straight as a die take off in my experience! Do you fly with torque settings off? Probably a good idea that I should try sometime http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



atleast some planes locked their tailwheels by pulling back on the stick, and then unlocked the same way...

That sounds doable - thanks, I'll check it out.

Kurfurst__
06-07-2007, 12:52 PM
IIRC there was no tailwheel lock on any Mark of the Spitfire. Why no, I cannot imagine, most planes of the era had them..

EDIT: The first ones only had a fixed 'stick' slide in their tail so I guess they either forgot to add a tailwheel lock mechanism when a proper tailwheel was fitted, or there was no space for it in the tail section.

Probably not much a use anyway since the thing was so nose heavy, there was a tendency to sit a WREN on the tail for taxy and not to nose over and break the prop.. there isn't much of a stablisiation if there's no weight on the tail, so they put a nice big Scottish girl on it, hehe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif One Spit even took off with one still riding the elevator, LOL. Luckily the pilot noticed *sumthin* being wrong with the controls and landed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Whirlin_merlin
06-07-2007, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
IIRC there was no tailwheel lock on any Mark of the Spitfire. Why no, I cannot imagine, most planes of the era had them..

EDIT: The first ones only had a fixed 'stick' slide in their tail so I guess they either forgot to add a tailwheel lock mechanism when a proper tailwheel was fitted, or there was no space for it in the tail section.

Probably not much a use anyway since the thing was so nose heavy, there was a tendency to sit a WREN on the tail for taxy and not to nose over and break the prop.. there isn't much of a stablisiation if there's no weight on the tail, so they put a nice big Scottish girl on it, hehe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif One Spit even took off with one still riding the elevator, LOL. Luckily the pilot noticed *sumthin* being wrong with the controls and landed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A WREN one of the smallest (but not quite the smallest) of our native birds, surly not. A WAAF
or a male member of the RAF would have been a far better choice. Stooopid englitianians.

ploughman
06-07-2007, 01:25 PM
Surely you mean female old boy. And WReNs are Royal Navy. Left handed woodbine by any chance? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Whirlin_merlin
06-07-2007, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
I ment or not of (darn keyboardy thing) off to edit.

I was attempting to parody Kurfurst using WREN when as you say they are RN not RAF and of course to make a cheap jibe at his disparaging attitude towards the British and the Spitfire (thing indeed!). However all was foiled by that pesky r/f and now i just look silly. What more tea Vicar dont mind if I do.


Edit: I'm far to drunk for tinternet I appear to have wound up in some weird self quoting nightmare.

ploughman
06-07-2007, 03:11 PM
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bazzaah2
06-07-2007, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Surely you mean female old boy. And WReNs are Royal Navy. Left handed woodbine by any chance? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think all those Hungarian munters have confused him (must be the beards). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Taylortony
06-07-2007, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Surely you mean female old boy. And WReNs are Royal Navy. Left handed woodbine by any chance? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think all those Hungarian munters have confused him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and also the Wrac, an object one usually put up against a wall for one to rest ones tools on.....there was an Army version too, the Womens Royal Army Corp, that was I believe spelt Rack, or have i got them about face?

skycaptain_1
06-07-2007, 04:53 PM
Hi

The struts I mentioned were behind the seats, I'll have a look in my books and see if I can get you a picture.

In game I don't use tail wheel lock with the spits, I fly with all the settings on, I start the takeoff with about 60% percent throttle with pressure on the rudder to hold it steady, as soon as the tail wheel lifts I'm anticipating the turn and applying pressure to the rudder, throttling up then trues up the direction. seems to work. It's not a plane to treat roughly.

The one I have most problem with and have to use tail wheel lock on is the Tempest...what a beast that one is on take off.

Taylortony
06-07-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:

EDIT: The first ones only had a fixed 'stick' slide in their tail so I guess they either forgot to add a tailwheel lock mechanism when a proper tailwheel was fitted, or there was no space for it in the tail section.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Tons of room down the back end......... this one has a retractable tail wheel BTW you can see the strut in the pic.... you would be suprised at where my camera has been stuck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/aircraftphoto/tail.jpg

Kurfurst__
06-08-2007, 02:38 AM
Well then I guess then they just didn't want to add a lock for some reason. Surely you make better pics than jokes ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

WilhelmVonPrang
06-08-2007, 04:11 AM
It's not a plane to treat roughly.

That's an understatement, for sure ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


The one I have most problem with and have to use tail wheel lock on is the Tempest...what a beast that one is on take off.

Now that's really odd - I take the virtual Tempest up just to get a bit of relaxation from its predecessors! Personally I find the Tempest very well behaved (so long as you don't sustain radiator damage, anyway...) - sort of a distillation of all that is good in both the Spits and Hurricanes. I've just been reading 'The Flying Sailor' by Admiral Jubelin - he flew all three (well, Typhoon, actually) and had nothing but praise for all of them.

Great photo, Taylortony but no lock?

As for those who wish to disparage the Spit (and it seems easy for those who have never flown any of these old planes in RL) let me ask you one question - how many replicas of other planes of that era are still being produced?

http://www.spitfireaircraftco.com/
http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/About.htm

etc...

John_Wayne_
06-08-2007, 04:29 AM
"As for those who wish to disparage the Spit (and it seems easy for those who have never flown any of these old planes in RL) let me ask you one question - how many replicas of other planes of that era are still being produced?"

You'd be surprised.

Ratsack
06-09-2007, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
...

EDIT: The first ones only had a fixed 'stick' slide in their tail ...

The first one, I believe you meant, not 'first ones.

The Spitfire prototype, K5054, was initially fitted with a skid instead of a tail wheel. This was to save weight, and was done on the designer's mistaken belief the type would only operate from grass strips.

They tested tail wheels on K5054 in January 1937, and settled on the type that became standard. K5054 carried that wheel from not later than March '37.

The first production Spitfire, K9787, carried a tail wheel from the start.

cheers,
Ratsack

major_setback
06-09-2007, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:

EDIT: The first ones only had a fixed 'stick' slide in their tail so I guess they either forgot to add a tailwheel lock mechanism when a proper tailwheel was fitted, or there was no space for it in the tail section.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Tons of room down the back end......... this one has a retractable tail wheel BTW you can see the strut in the pic.... you would be suprised at where my camera has been stuck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://mysite.orange.co.uk/aircraftphoto/tail.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice picture. Does anyone know what each of the wires is used to control (just out of interest)?

Taylortony
06-10-2007, 06:17 AM
Top ones are the Rudder trim, next 2 down are the Elevator trim, then the 2 bellcranks at the bottom are the Rudder and Elevator controls

Taylortony
06-11-2007, 12:13 PM
Checked today, nope, they do not have tailwheel steering, they are freely castering units, they do not have a lock either............