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FatBoyHK
12-28-2004, 01:09 AM
I have a noob question, if I assign the elevator trim on a slider, what advantage it will give me? Ease of trim control don't count as an advantage, it is a given http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I mean the advantage I can get in combat.

I don't use trim previously, but now I think it is about time to learn it. One advantage I can think of is that I can keep turning even I am blacked out, which is very useful for shaking off bandits. Also I can use it to pull out of a dive as quickly as possible without breaking my wing.

civildog
12-28-2004, 01:16 AM
Yessss, now that you have figured out the advantages of properly trimming (but helping to keep the plane turning while blacked-out isn't a good one, a properly trimmed plane will help avoid blacking out because a balanced plane turns better with less stick) your plane young Padawan, I'd leave it as a keystroke.

It doesn't need to be changed that often and you can count the keystrokes it takes to trim out different planes at different throttle settings, pro pitch, etc. and right them down to help until you get a better intuitive feel for it. It's also more precise, I put it on a slider and on the mousewheel and neither one worked as finely.

Tully__
12-28-2004, 05:12 AM
While I've not run proper tests to confirm, trim input should make absolutely no difference to how hard you can turn or pull out of a dive without blacking out or damaging something. I can definitely say that pulling out of a dive quickly by use of trim or turning quickly using trim as an aid both cause blackout to happen just as quickly as similar manouvers without trim.

While your aircraft may continue to turn after you black out, it will not be turning anywhere near as hard as if you avoid blackout and maintain full control authority at the edge of blackout, nor are you able to dodge and weave when blacked out (at least not the last time I tried http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

knightflyte
12-28-2004, 09:05 AM
If you've set trim to continue pulling out of a dive or to continue a turn, and you black out, how do you UNBLACK out if your plane continues to turn because of trim setting?

I hope that wasn't to convoluted to follow.

regards,
Robert

Once you go Track... you never go back.

BuzzU
12-28-2004, 09:32 AM
So, you're looking for a way to black out harder and longer? Good move.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

tsisqua
12-28-2004, 10:01 AM
Once upon a time, on a forum board far, far away, there was a great ace named Ray Ban Jockey. Now, this "ace" discovered an exploit, not a cheat, (this according to the ace himself), that allowed him to place his trim on a slider, and that the trim input would occur instantaneously. This allowed the pilot to do bat turns in a way that nobody had expected. The ace began to post his discoveries to all that would see. The trim, at that time, seemed to not add to the blackout as modelled at the time.

So . . . In their wisdom, the great gods of 1C, headed up by the one and only Odin Maddox, cast a spell upon the world of IL2, and slowed the input of trim on a slider, so that it more closely resembled what would happen in the magic place called "reallity". No more could the ace perform his legendary bat turns, and if he tried, his blackout effect was now based on the amount of g's that were pulled, not how hard he pulled on the stick.

Alas, the ace left for parts unknown, but it is rumored that he has been seen, from time to time, in the land of "Sea Moss".

The End.

This story has been brought to you by Tsisqua

LStarosta
12-28-2004, 10:22 AM
FatBoy, I think you're missing the point of trim. Trim does the same exact things your stick does but it relieves you from applying constant pressure to keep the airplane flying straight and level. Of course you can apply this to combat and keep your aircraft from nosing up excessively in a dive etc. You can get out of an 800km/h+ dive by simply applying gentle pressure on the stick. You don't need trim for it, nor should you rely on it since you'll have to be re-trimming your aircraft after the said maneuver and this simply wastes time.

As others said, trying to stay blacked out longer is a stupid move. You will possess some degree of control over your a/c even when you are blacking out. Roll your a/c 180 degrees and apply forward pressure on the stick to continue your maneuver and push blood back towards your head.

tsisqua
12-28-2004, 10:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As others said, trying to stay blacked out longer is a stupid move. You will possess some degree of control over your a/c even when you are blacking out. Roll your a/c 180 degrees and apply forward pressure on the stick to continue your maneuver and push blood back towards your head. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very good advice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tsisqua

-HH- Beebop
12-28-2004, 10:37 AM
On my X-45 I've mapped the elevator trim to a rotary. It has a center detent so I can return to neutral trim.
Personaly I find this helpful as I can constantly trim as I apply different power levels. This relates to my real life flying experiences very well. Trim on the rotary replicates real life trim so although it's "on a slider" it's realistic.

"That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

FatBoyHK
12-28-2004, 11:24 AM
Thanks everyone, I know I have indeed asked a noob question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

triggerhappyfin
12-28-2004, 01:35 PM
A wile ago I made this litle black box containing three pots, connection for my TM elite pedals and four switches.

This I connect to the game port on my computer. My stick is a Saitek x-36 usb set. I´ve been able to use all the slider settings in the control menu. The brakes are now on the rudder rocker on my throttle and flaps on one of the rotaries http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.

All the trimming makes flying more immersive and top speeds are easier to reach. No need of full throttle anymore to keep high speed.

Some planes are possible to trim quite accurate and possible to get to hold course alt and level http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Good for long flights. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The switches I use for selecting right or left engines, starting and select all engines.

Leaving the other swithes on the x-36 free to other assignements. My sudgestion is to all of you to make your own "trimbox". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif