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E-Zekiel
11-21-2010, 01:22 PM
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

Radman500
11-21-2010, 01:24 PM
probably some random chick.... idk....

Blackglasswar
11-21-2010, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family.

Valaquen_
11-21-2010, 01:37 PM
A story job for some DLC! No Hot Coffee style minigames though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Lights Out Asia
11-21-2010, 02:18 PM
i'd have to go with Cristina Vespucci, his love interest before the execution of his family.

jlorence
11-21-2010, 02:31 PM
It's definitely not Cristina. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

BloodyMoon1
11-21-2010, 02:35 PM
Not Christina. There's a storyline in Brotherhood about her and Ezio going back to visit her several times. *SPOILER* Christina gets engaged during the 2 years Ezio is at Monteriggoni, marries the guy, then meets Ezio again in Venice and is mad at him because she wanted to go with Ezio instead of marrying her husband. In the next one, Christina gets killed, and reveals that she never stopped loving Ezio. *SPOILER ENDED*

Whoever it is though, it would have to have happened after the end of Ezio's use in the story because if Ezio has a kid, that would end the memory segments for Ezio because the kid wouldn't have the memories of after his conception, so he had the kid after 48.

Question, if Ezio was being followed by 16 and Desmond, was Ezio sleeping with Caterina a ********?

RipYourSpineOut
11-21-2010, 02:37 PM
It's either Rosa or Caterina, but seeing as Ezio and Rosa's relationship seemed to only go as far as flirting, I'd say it's probably Caterina, as it's heavily implied they had sex. I would say Cristina, but judging from the missions in AC: B (Cristina never mentioned nor looked like she was pregnant), it's most likely Caterina.

persiateddy95
11-21-2010, 02:38 PM
He used a sperm bank.

BloodyMoon1
11-21-2010, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by RipYourSpineOut:
I'd say it's probably Caterina, as it's heavily implied they had sex.

Strongly implied? They get it on in the beginning of the game, lol.

Piflik
11-21-2010, 02:43 PM
Caterina lived for two more years after the game ends in 1507, so she is definitely a possibility...but Ezio has to hurry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Valaquen_
11-21-2010, 02:47 PM
Caterina or Rosa. I missed Rosa in ACB.

bassguy12
11-21-2010, 02:50 PM
Do not forget his "use" of courtesans in the game.

GREAZY_FINGAZZ
11-21-2010, 02:55 PM
Caterina died a couple years after leaving Rome so....it's not her.

Piflik
11-21-2010, 03:02 PM
The game ends in 1507, Caterina died 1509..there are still two years time and you'll not need more than 9 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Valaquen_
11-21-2010, 03:15 PM
I'd actually rather it was Rosa, or another character. Caterina, in a rage, had infants tortured and executed. Bad lady!

Slaterxx
11-21-2010, 03:17 PM
Im gonna throw somthin into the fire..Lucretzia? common guys ezio is ezio he can get with anyone he wanted..History showed that after she had her last child she died as did the child do to complications whos to say ezion didnt take his child and lucretzia was then killed by templars for being with ezio

Piflik
11-21-2010, 03:23 PM
Not a bad idea

GREAZY_FINGAZZ
11-21-2010, 04:09 PM
I'm amazed he hasn't spread his seed already.

BloodyMoon1
11-21-2010, 05:08 PM
Who says he hasn't? It's just that the one Desmond comes from hasn't been born yet.

realgangsta213
11-21-2010, 05:51 PM
What about that ****ty woman at the beginning of acb she never kept her promise...

GREAZY_FINGAZZ
11-21-2010, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by realgangsta213:
What about that ****ty woman at the beginning of acb she never kept her promise...
Hopefully she was hit directly by a cannonball for lying.

Pitalla
11-23-2010, 10:38 PM
I still have to do the last Cristina Mission in AC:B. I assume it is with her right? what would be the point on the missions of her then?

I skimmed the thread and I loled at the Lucrecia one xP.

So far woman after woman could mean that he was trying to fill a hole without bottom. To fill out the empty gap that left Cristina.

BloodyMoon1
11-23-2010, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Pitalla:
I still have to do the last Cristina Mission in AC:B. I assume it is with her right? what would be the point on the missions of her then?

I skimmed the thread and I loled at the Lucrecia one xP.

So far woman after woman could mean that he was trying to fill a hole without bottom. To fill out the empty gap that left Cristina.

Lol, take another crack at it when you finish the missions.

Haywood92
11-23-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm actually putting my money on Rosa. She's the only woman left who Ezio showed an interest in, because

*****SPOILERS******

Caterina tries to regain power in Forli, but dies of Pneumonia. Cristina was killed during the Bonfire of the Vanities, however she always loved Ezio, and vice versa. (Off topic: I felt really sorry for Ezio during those memories.)

******End Spoilers******

Pitalla
11-23-2010, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Slaterxx:
Im gonna throw somthin into the fire..Lucretzia? common guys ezio is ezio he can get with anyone he wanted..History showed that after she had her last child she died as did the child do to complications whos to say ezion didnt take his child and lucretzia was then killed by templars for being with ezio

Hey that is not a bad idea, sounds just like Ezio. Besides Ezio keep humping everyone in order to try and fill that emptiness that Cristina left him.

Man this guy has a depressive history with girls http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Just as Lucretzia had a terrible depressive story by being forced to marry guy after guy, even tough she only loved one of em... which ended up being assasinated O.o

SirPhist
11-24-2010, 12:11 AM
well just as we learned with whom altair sired his child(ren) in ACII, hope we'll learn with whom ezio had his child(ren) in the next assassin's.



if Ezio was being followed by 16 and Desmond, was Ezio sleeping with Caterina a ********?

lol

AubreyWilborn
11-24-2010, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, 48 IS rather old to be starting a family. Recent studies have discovered that the quality of a man's..erm, "seed" deteriorates RAPIDLY at the age of 40+. Each consecutive year after forty, increases the chance for said man fathering a mentally handicapped, or even physically handicapped, child. So-while I haven't played Brotherhood yet- if Ezio doesn't have a kid by 48.....


However, it might be challenging to play the next installment of the series as an assasin with Autism, Down Syndrome, Schizophrenia or something similar.

kriegerdesgottes
11-24-2010, 12:46 AM
I'm so glad someone asked this because I was really curious too. I was so sure it was going to be cristina. The Cristina missions by the way were genius, although they had a terrible ending.I would really like to know this since they made it pretty clear who Altair got with.

DGLee12
11-24-2010, 12:59 AM
Do we forget that Ezio wasn't the only one of "pure" Assassin bloodline? His sister too shares the bloodline and it could have been her who gave birth to the next Assassino.

Yeah, I know, it's balls, but just throwing another kink into the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BloodyMoon1
11-24-2010, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Do we forget that Ezio wasn't the only one of "pure" Assassin bloodline? His sister too shares the bloodline and it could have been her who gave birth to the next Assassino.

Yeah, I know, it's balls, but just throwing another kink into the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If the next assassin came from Ezio's sister and your following Ezio.....ew, you need help man, lol.

dreamofmirrors7
11-24-2010, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by BloodyMoon1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Do we forget that Ezio wasn't the only one of "pure" Assassin bloodline? His sister too shares the bloodline and it could have been her who gave birth to the next Assassino.

Yeah, I know, it's balls, but just throwing another kink into the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If the next assassin came from Ezio's sister and your following Ezio.....ew, you need help man, lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lucrezia and Cesare were brother and sister, so....it's not out of the realm of possibility but....that would be pretty dirty :/

Caligula__
11-24-2010, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, 48 IS rather old to be starting a family. Recent studies have discovered that the quality of a man's..erm, "seed" deteriorates RAPIDLY at the age of 40+. Each consecutive year after forty, increases the chance for said man fathering a mentally handicapped, or even physically handicapped, child. So-while I haven't played Brotherhood yet- if Ezio doesn't have a kid by 48.....


However, it might be challenging to play the next installment of the series as an assasin with Autism, Down Syndrome, Schizophrenia or something similar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFL!!!

DGLee12
11-24-2010, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by BloodyMoon1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Do we forget that Ezio wasn't the only one of "pure" Assassin bloodline? His sister too shares the bloodline and it could have been her who gave birth to the next Assassino.

Yeah, I know, it's balls, but just throwing another kink into the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If the next assassin came from Ezio's sister and your following Ezio.....ew, you need help man, lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aaaah, but whoever said the line continued through Ezio? Just because we play as Ezio, doesn't mean that he fathered the next Assassin.

bokeef04
11-24-2010, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Jaiszon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BloodyMoon1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Do we forget that Ezio wasn't the only one of "pure" Assassin bloodline? His sister too shares the bloodline and it could have been her who gave birth to the next Assassino.

Yeah, I know, it's balls, but just throwing another kink into the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If the next assassin came from Ezio's sister and your following Ezio.....ew, you need help man, lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aaaah, but whoever said the line continued through Ezio? Just because we play as Ezio, doesn't mean that he fathered the next Assassin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the whole premise of the game, the animus works by reading the genetic memories within your DNA, meaning you can't follow anyone who is not your biological relative as the memories wouldn't be passed on, if Ezio never had a child directly related to desmond he would not contain the genetic memory e.g if i was to have a child, my child would not have any memories of anything my brother has done while i was not present, hence why we can't see what Claudia/Maria or any other character from ACB got upto while Ezio wasn't around, also the reason why we are following Ezio through the whole game

Confusious30
11-24-2010, 04:14 AM
Ezio could have impregnated any of the... courtesans that he slept with over the years.

Somehow I don't think they had protection back in those days.

Darknon
11-24-2010, 05:06 AM
Question, if Ezio was being followed by 16 and Desmond, was Ezio sleeping with Caterina a ********?

Well they werent present so it would be more like porn

BloodyMoon1
11-24-2010, 06:15 AM
But as soon as he gets someone pregnant with the child Desmond is from, you wouldn't be able to follow Ezio anymore, because Ezio's part of the genetic memory would be finished. So he got someone pregnant AFTER Desmond saw him as an old man back at Monterigonni, unless Ezio's son/daughter was there too. It's like passing on a camera down the years, once you pass it off, you're only there when someone else records you.

Pitalla
11-24-2010, 06:49 AM
Cristina would had been more than great, I think that ubisoft dropped the ball on this one tough. 48 Ezio comments ROFL!

galenwolf
11-24-2010, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
He used a sperm bank.

You know that would actually be a very sneaky way for the assassins to get at the templars. Can't brainwash everyone if there's a million plus people with assassin blood in them walking around.

Eurostar7
11-24-2010, 11:51 AM
I want to know who came before Desmond. We know that he was born and raised in an Assassin 'farm' of 30 people but we dont know anything about who his father was, what he did, ect. I havent played this game yet, but if they explained it in AC Brotherhood, let me know :P

I also want to know who came before Altair, if Adam and Eve existed a few millenia before Altair, then he must be a descendant of 30-50 other Assassins. Desmond must be a descendant of around 80 different Assassins. Or more if you count possible Twins or brothers separated at birth, ect.

Seth400321
11-24-2010, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, 48 IS rather old to be starting a family. Recent studies have discovered that the quality of a man's..erm, "seed" deteriorates RAPIDLY at the age of 40+. Each consecutive year after forty, increases the chance for said man fathering a mentally handicapped, or even physically handicapped, child. So-while I haven't played Brotherhood yet- if Ezio doesn't have a kid by 48.....


However, it might be challenging to play the next installment of the series as an assasin with Autism, Down Syndrome, Schizophrenia or something similar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

assassin with schizophrenia and down syndrome would be like a poisoned guard. hed be walking around and then just randomly start swinging around.
Guard1: "the hell is wrong with him?"
Guard2: "hes 50 and ya know...incest..."
Guard1: "him and his sister boinked?! Didnt we just arrest somone for that!? GET HIM!"

itd add a new way to be notorious

Basian
11-24-2010, 03:06 PM
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

galenwolf
11-24-2010, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

Also, desmond would not have seen an old Ezio in the sanctuary.

Ubisoft2Good
11-24-2010, 03:11 PM
Kinda old but still sexy. I think he wont have a problem getting someone.

Basian
11-24-2010, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already. You couldn't really tell how old he was though.So, when Ezio was in the sanctuary at the time he probably didn't have a kid.'Cause if you remember in AC2 Desmond stopped following Altair after Maria got pregnant.

Seth400321
12-01-2010, 09:31 PM
you know you play to much assassins creed when at the mall you gently push people out of your way

Dougout78
12-01-2010, 10:45 PM
It's possible this question is answered in the new 3DS game coming out in 2011... AssCred: Lost Legacy

Dougout78
12-01-2010, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

Agreed. If the passing on of memories through genetic code were real, then as soon as conception occurs, that's the end of the memory of that ancestor. Anything that happens to that ancestor after conception of a child would not be encoded in the DNA of the child. Therefore, Ezio has not yet concieved a child by the end of AssCredBro.

massmurdera_666
12-02-2010, 05:05 AM
I'd suggest reading the books, I'm assuming the brotherhood novel will fill in a lot of gaps like renaissance did for ac2, I knew what all the Christina missions were going to be before I even played them in the game. Also, after reading renaissance I'm going to lean towards Rosa as the mother of Ezio's child, or children. He was in Venice for awhile and was with Rosa a lot in the book, that's time enough to build a lasting relationship in my mind, but hey, he's a player so who knows

MinerVAX09
12-02-2010, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by GREAZY_FINGAZZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by realgangsta213:
What about that ****ty woman at the beginning of acb she never kept her promise...
Hopefully she was hit directly by a cannonball for lying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW, who was that woman??? And WTF, she's a templar, the surprise was Cesare Borgia and the Papal Army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

DGLee12
12-02-2010, 10:21 AM
Solution Found ****Spoiler****

In Project Legacy, as part of Memory 4 on the Italian Wars Sequence, Ezio must date Lucrezia to get inside the Templars secrets, and lo and behold, Mr.Studmuffin gets her pregnant. There's even a big old pic of her laying naked with a big *** belly-bump.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4553/lucrezia.png

rheselden
12-02-2010, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Solution Found ****Spoiler****

In Project Legacy, as part of Memory 4 on the Italian Wars Sequence, Ezio must date Lucrezia to get inside the Templars secrets, and lo and behold, Mr.Studmuffin gets her pregnant. There's even a big old pic of her laying naked with a big *** belly-bump.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4553/lucrezia.png

it was perotto calderon who got her pregnant

BigJonnyC
12-02-2010, 12:39 PM
What about that one chick from AC2. If some of you guys did all the races in Forli, when Ezio won the last race he got laid right out in the open. Maybe she carried Ezio's child?

AnthonyA85
12-02-2010, 01:52 PM
My money right now is on Rosa, or Caterina, but hopefully, we'll find out in the next game.


Originally posted by Pitalla:
I still have to do the last Cristina Mission in AC:B. I assume it is with her right? what would be the point on the missions of her then?

I skimmed the thread and I loled at the Lucrecia one xP.

So far woman after woman could mean that he was trying to fill a hole without bottom. To fill out the empty gap that left Cristina.

Well, that 'sleeping with every woman he can find to fill the rift' thing, I guess that kinda makes sense, I mean, that's exactly why Quagmire in Family Guy does it, he had his heart broken, and now just sleeps around to supress/mask the pain that caused. (I just hope I don't turn out like that, probably would if I had half the people skills Ezio and Quagmire do :P)

And as for Lucrezia....can you say "eeww!" enough times? no matter how desperate Ezio might get, he'd never touch her.


Posted by BigJonnyC:
What about that one chick from AC2. If some of you guys did all the races in Forli, when Ezio won the last race he got laid right out in the open. Maybe she carried Ezio's child?

Are you kidding me? But then, I never did any of the races so... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Grandmaster_Z
12-02-2010, 02:22 PM
bastard child

mantledarcanum
12-02-2010, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by rheselden:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Solution Found ****Spoiler****

In Project Legacy, as part of Memory 4 on the Italian Wars Sequence, Ezio must date Lucrezia to get inside the Templars secrets, and lo and behold, Mr.Studmuffin gets her pregnant. There's even a big old pic of her laying naked with a big *** belly-bump.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4553/lucrezia.png

it was perotto calderon who got her pregnant </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is also historically correct to an extent. She gave Perotto (Or Cesare D: ewww) a son in 1498.. Lucrezia was also married shortly after that and had another child around 1500. After that husband was killed by Cesare, she was married off in 1502.. giving that husband 8 children. The last one, a daughter, died during birth.. which ended up killing Lucrezia.

As a legitimate historical character, I'd like to say no to your theory.

kriegerdesgottes
12-03-2010, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Eurostar7:
I want to know who came before Desmond. We know that he was born and raised in an Assassin 'farm' of 30 people but we dont know anything about who his father was, what he did, ect. I havent played this game yet, but if they explained it in AC Brotherhood, let me know :P

I also want to know who came before Altair, if Adam and Eve existed a few millenia before Altair, then he must be a descendant of 30-50 other Assassins. Desmond must be a descendant of around 80 different Assassins. Or more if you count possible Twins or brothers separated at birth, ect. I would also like to know this but as far as altair goes his name is ibn la had or something I'm sure I spelled it wrong which means "son of none" and he talks about his parents as nothing more than strangers. So maybe that means he was the first assassin of his line. I could be wrong though.

Cyrius1
12-03-2010, 11:29 AM
It could always end up being the Forli lady... *Spoiler*they did spend that night together before the craziness happend.*spoiler*

PhiIs1618033
12-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by aquarianfae:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rheselden:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Solution Found ****Spoiler****

In Project Legacy, as part of Memory 4 on the Italian Wars Sequence, Ezio must date Lucrezia to get inside the Templars secrets, and lo and behold, Mr.Studmuffin gets her pregnant. There's even a big old pic of her laying naked with a big *** belly-bump.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4553/lucrezia.png

it was perotto calderon who got her pregnant </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is also historically correct to an extent. She gave Perotto (Or Cesare D: ewww) a son in 1498.. Lucrezia was also married shortly after that and had another child around 1500. After that husband was killed by Cesare, she was married off in 1502.. giving that husband 8 children. The last one, a daughter, died during birth.. which ended up killing Lucrezia.

As a legitimate historical character, I'd like to say no to your theory. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
According to Project Legacy, Perotto got Lucrezia pregnant, not anyone else. :P

X10J
12-03-2010, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, 48 IS rather old to be starting a family. Recent studies have discovered that the quality of a man's..erm, "seed" deteriorates RAPIDLY at the age of 40+. Each consecutive year after forty, increases the chance for said man fathering a mentally handicapped, or even physically handicapped, child. So-while I haven't played Brotherhood yet- if Ezio doesn't have a kid by 48.....


However, it might be challenging to play the next installment of the series as an assasin with Autism, Down Syndrome, Schizophrenia or something similar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know right Schizophrenia would be lame. nobody wants to play as a guy who sees people that aren't there, hears voices that don't exist, believes he's riddiculously important, and is certain that an incredibly powerful entity is out to get him. *plays the Desmond sections in AC2 and Brotherhood* oh wait.

OT: Rosa hopefully.

Also: anyone else think that the number of people in the forums who don't know how the animus works is excessively high?

edzone96
12-03-2010, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Basian:
You couldn't really tell how old he was though.So, when Ezio was in the sanctuary at the time he probably didn't have a kid.'Cause if you remember in AC2 Desmond stopped following Altair after Maria got pregnant.[/QUOTE]

That makes total sence

Razrback16
04-07-2011, 09:26 AM
Well, I'm very curious about this topic as well, so I thought I would toss some thoughts on possibilities out:

Cristina: Only way this could happen is if Ezio found The Shroud and brought her back to life. Otherwise, impossible, she died before Ezio could procreate with her.

Rosa: Possible. Although she would be around 47 at the end of Brotherhood which is rather old for having kids (for a female especially).

Caterina: Possible, although she would have also been older (46 at the time of death). This would have had to happen pretty quick after Brotherhood since Brotherhood ends in 1507 and Caterina died in 1509.

Lucrezia: As you might NOT expect, maybe the most likely of all. She was born in 1480, so she was only around 27 at the time Brotherhood ended (a much better choice in terms of age for having kids, especially in that time period). And I also found this interesting snippet from a biography on her that explains how she turned into a pretty good person later in life when she didn't have her corrupt family puppeting her around and forcing her to do things.
"In reality, during her tumultuous life, Lucrezia managed to overcome the damaged reputation she suffered from her family. After her father died in 1503, and Cesare swiftly fell from power, Lucrezia was no longer used as a pawn to increase the influence and interests of the House of Borgia. Instead, in the lands of Ferrara, far away from Rome, she settled into a new role as a Duchess. Over time, she managed to shed the notorious rumors about her life in Rome, reinventing herself as a generous patron of the arts, a loving mother of seven children, and a kind benefactor of many charities. By the time of her death in 1519, many people mourned her loss and she was buried with great honor in the highest church in Ferrara, the disgraceful rumors about her past now long forgotten..."
Sournce: http://www.scribd.com/doc/5055...MELINE#outer_page_19 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/50551077/1/TIMELINE#outer_page_19)

The only other logical possibility that I can think of is someone we have yet to meet.

itsamea-mario
04-07-2011, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by AubreyWilborn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E-Zekiel:
Is my question XD

It was never really answered. And at the end of AC:B he was 48. Getting kind of old to have a kid...

if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Actually, 48 IS rather old to be starting a family. Recent studies have discovered that the quality of a man's..erm, "seed" deteriorates RAPIDLY at the age of 40+. Each consecutive year after forty, increases the chance for said man fathering a mentally handicapped, or even physically handicapped, child. So-while I haven't played Brotherhood yet- if Ezio doesn't have a kid by 48.....


However, it might be challenging to play the next installment of the series as an assasin with Autism, Down Syndrome, Schizophrenia or something similar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Ezio is no ordinary man now is he.
He is surprisingly fit for his age, so i'm sure he has a much lower rate of deteriation.
The woman however would need to be reasonably young.

I quite like the lucrezia idea.
I doubt it would be Caterina, since she has 2 years to live and told ezio she did not love him, so that's sort of a dead cause for ezio to follow.
It could be anybody, he may have met someone new after AC B, or it may have been a one night stand, with ezio you don't know.

Razrback16
04-07-2011, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
Well Ezio is no ordinary man now is he.
He is surprisingly fit for his age, so i'm sure he has a much lower rate of deteriation.
The woman however would need to be reasonably young.

I quite like the lucrezia idea.
I doubt it would be Caterina, since she has 2 years to live and told ezio she did not love him, so that's sort of a dead cause for ezio to follow.
It could be anybody, he may have met someone new after AC B, or it may have been a one night stand, with ezio you don't know.

Yeah when I was reading that about Lucrezia I was like wow, she really did a 180. Maybe after what Ezio said to her in The DaVincia Disappearance, she started getting things together. I like the idea of those two as well once she becomes a good person.

heypeter17
04-07-2011, 09:54 AM
Someone just mentioned it earlier, how about Fiora Cavazza (The Courtesan)? She started as a Templar and switched ways.
Just like Maria?

Razrback16
04-07-2011, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by heypeter17:
Someone just mentioned it earlier, how about Fiora Cavazza (The Courtesan)? She started as a Templar and switched ways.
Just like Maria?

What happened to her at the end? The last thing I read was that Cesare was going to hurt her.

heypeter17
04-07-2011, 11:41 AM
Yeah I think there is more to her story. prolly more project legacy might come soon

Razrback16
04-07-2011, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by heypeter17:
Yeah I think there is more to her story. prolly more project legacy might come soon

That could be an interesting story to follow as well.

Ureh
04-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Can brunettes turn into blondes? There's a picture of Lucrezia when she was a child, in AC2, and her hair color was brunette. But in ACB she's blonde.

Also in AC2, Shawn says Caterina died a few months after she was released from the Vatican. During the few months she was alive, her hair was white as snow after she was raped/tortured by the Borgias. But in ACB it turned out not to be true.

How could Shawn get that part wrong but he's able to accurately describe what happens during the corrupted sequences (Battle of Forli and Bonfire of the Vanities)?

payrob07
04-07-2011, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Ureh:
Can brunettes turn into blondes? There's a picture of her when she was a child, in AC2, and her hair color was brunette. But in ACB she's blonde.

Also in AC2, Shawn says Caterina died a few months after she was released from the Vatican. During the few months she was alive, her hair was white as snow and she was raped/tortured by the Borgias. But in ACB it turned out not to be true.

How could Shawn get that part wrong but he's able to accurately describe what happens during the corrupted sequences (Battle of Forli and Bonfire of the Vanities)?

Yes, your hair can change to any color during the course of your life. My girlfriend was born with almost black hair and it changed to a platinum blonde at 9 years old. Same thing happened to my little sister.

THE "TOO OLD FOR KIDS" THEORY- Men can have kids until the day they die. As long as your testicles have not twisted or cut off, you can produce sperm, whether or not it is enough is a different story,

payrob07
04-07-2011, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Confusious30:
Ezio could have impregnated any of the... courtesans that he slept with over the years.

Somehow I don't think they had protection back in those days.


ACTUALLY.... they did, it just wasn't nearly as "streamline" or comfortable as today. Wall paintings in Ancient Greek temples show upper class people with loin cloths on during sexual intercourse. Most people back then did not use condoms, they had anal sex, or "coitus interruptus." Cave paintings in France show something that looks like a condom in use as early as 15,000 years ago...
By the 15th century (Ezio's time), condoms were made out of animal intestines and bladder skin.

ThaWhistle
04-07-2011, 10:05 PM
5grand says they will leave it open. it adds more to the tragedy of Ezios story

Sizzlemon
04-08-2011, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Piflik:
Caterina lived for two more years after the game ends in 1507, so she is definitely a possibility...but Ezio has to hurry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That is not true. After Ezio recued her form Sant' Angelo, she went to Florence to appeal to the Florentine Armies to help her get Forli back. They refused and she eventually died of pnuemonia in 1503. So it's not possible for Ezio and Caterina to have kids.

I'm just saying

Razrback16
04-08-2011, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Sizzlemon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Piflik:
Caterina lived for two more years after the game ends in 1507, so she is definitely a possibility...but Ezio has to hurry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That is not true. After Ezio recued her form Sant' Angelo, she went to Florence to appeal to the Florentine Armies to help her get Forli back. They refused and she eventually died of pnuemonia in 1503. So it's not possible for Ezio and Caterina to have kids.

I'm just saying </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You certainly can say whatever you like but she died in 1509. This is a historical fact. Piflik is correct.
http://departments.kings.edu/w..._history/sforza.html (http://departments.kings.edu/womens_history/sforza.html)

Ureh
04-08-2011, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sizzlemon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Piflik:
Caterina lived for two more years after the game ends in 1507, so she is definitely a possibility...but Ezio has to hurry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That is not true. After Ezio recued her form Sant' Angelo, she went to Florence to appeal to the Florentine Armies to help her get Forli back. They refused and she eventually died of pnuemonia in 1503. So it's not possible for Ezio and Caterina to have kids.

I'm just saying </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You certainly can say whatever you like but she died in 1509. This is a historical fact. Piflik is correct.
http://departments.kings.edu/w..._history/sforza.html (http://departments.kings.edu/womens_history/sforza.html) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whats funny is that the history profile they put in ac2 is different compared to acb. But acb is currently the correct one. Maybe it'll be one of those things where the author of history lied about Sforza when she actually lived on till old age. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Razrback16
04-08-2011, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Ureh:
Whats funny is that the history profile they put in ac2 is different compared to acb. But acb is currently the correct one. Maybe it'll be one of those things where the author of history lied about Sforza when she actually lived on till old age. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

lol. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EmmaBemma
04-09-2011, 04:54 AM
Lucrezia is an interesting possibility. It's possible one of the children she had was not fathered by her husband but by Ezio(without his knowledge). Her death was not until 1519, so there's still 10 years from the end of Brotherhood (isn't it?). Since Lucrezia ended up repenting in the later years of her life, is it possible she came onto the side (or at least sympathised with) of the Assassins? It would be a final 'screw you' to her father and brother (who made much of her life misery). If so, some of her sons* could have carried on Ezio's tradition.

*Or possibly daughters... it's unclear to me exactly how genetic memories work in terms of gender. I know when tracking genealogical history, they tend to follow the male-line (i.e. the Y chromosome - so the father's father's father e.t.c) or the female-line (i.e. the mitochondrial DNA - the mother's mother's mother e.t.c). I don't know if they've incorporated this into the whole animus genetic memory stuff or not.

Razrback16
04-09-2011, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by EmmaBemma:
Lucrezia is an interesting possibility. It's possible one of the children she had was not fathered by her husband but by Ezio(without his knowledge). Her death was not until 1519, so there's still 10 years from the end of Brotherhood (isn't it?). Since Lucrezia ended up repenting in the later years of her life, is it possible she came onto the side (or at least sympathised with) of the Assassins? It would be a final 'screw you' to her father and brother (who made much of her life misery). If so, some of her sons* could have carried on Ezio's tradition.

*Or possibly daughters... it's unclear to me exactly how genetic memories work in terms of gender. I know when tracking genealogical history, they tend to follow the male-line (i.e. the Y chromosome - so the father's father's father e.t.c) or the female-line (i.e. the mitochondrial DNA - the mother's mother's mother e.t.c). I don't know if they've incorporated this into the whole animus genetic memory stuff or not.

And that's the thing -- just like Maria (who was a templar) ended up with Altair, perhaps Lucrezia will end up with Ezio. The type of person Lucrezia turns out to be strikes me as the type of person I could see Ezio being with.

I think it's 12 years -- I think Brotherhood ends in 1507.

M5fifty
04-09-2011, 08:37 PM
I think its absolutley posible that Ezio had a kid before the game ended,all the genetic memory of a single person is contained in the descendents of that person, ALL of it- the memory of Altair didnt nececarily end when he slep with the girl, it just switched tracks, it detected another ancestors memeory and continued on. And lets not forget the saying- "nothing is true and everything is permitted" what if ezio got the shroud of truin witch keeps cesarea or whatever his name is alive, he could find christina's body and bring her back to life. OR he could have made love with her when she was married to that dude, and christina might have thought it was her husband's child, not ezios.

itsamea-mario
04-10-2011, 03:13 AM
Okay okay okay, so your saying that ALL of the ancestors memories are passed down, even after conception?

If so then you're amazingly wrong, i think i saw this analogy before.
Imagine these memories are photos, that are captured by a camera.
Once the camera is given to someone else then the first person can't take anymore photos.

So you can't have memories of one ancestor once they've been passed down to the next generation.

So if ezio had the child who was desmonds ancestor, then desmond wouldn't be able to see anything ezio did (first person) after that child was concieved.

I also doubt he'd ressurect his long dead girlfriend so he could have sex with a zombie.

andysmrr
04-10-2011, 04:44 AM
But when you see "old Ezio" is that before or after "passing it on" ?

Also it looks like he is wearing the armour that you start the game with before the villa attack?

and all the ghost images you see after that, even when right at the end with desmond in the church looking to the temple of juno?

EmmaBemma
04-10-2011, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by M5fifty:
I think its absolutley posible that Ezio had a kid before the game ended,all the genetic memory of a single person is contained in the descendents of that person, ALL of it- the memory of Altair didnt nececarily end when he slep with the girl, it just switched tracks, it detected another ancestors memeory and continued on. And lets not forget the saying- "nothing is true and everything is permitted" what if ezio got the shroud of truin witch keeps cesarea or whatever his name is alive, he could find christina's body and bring her back to life. OR he could have made love with her when she was married to that dude, and christina might have thought it was her husband's child, not ezios.
Just think about that for a second. REALLY think about it.

It's entirely possible Ezio has conceived a child (or even several) before the end of Brotherhood, but what is clear is that that child was not the ancestor of Desmond. You cannot pass on memories that you do not yet have.

It's unclear whether 'old Ezio' is before or after passing his genes onto the next descendant. It's difficult to see exactly how old Ezio is in that memory because of how faint it is. He could only be a couple of years older than the end of Brotherhood. He certainly didn't look older than around 60 to me. But it's also possible it was the memory of his descendant who was also there at the time.

samward
04-10-2011, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Dougout78:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

Agreed. If the passing on of memories through genetic code were real, then as soon as conception occurs, that's the end of the memory of that ancestor. Anything that happens to that ancestor after conception of a child would not be encoded in the DNA of the child. Therefore, Ezio has not yet concieved a child by the end of AssCredBro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what about the movie that came out before AC2? In it we follow Ezio's father not Ezio, who is teenager. Also if that were true then would we not have followed Ezio's eldest brother who would have been the first the carry the bloodline, not Ezio?

Inorganic9_2
04-10-2011, 07:29 AM
^ if you mean lineage, that's because that's a film...it's not genetic memory through the animus...just a film -_-

I've just thought that, because Desmond can actually see Ezio when he returns to the villa, maybe it's because Ezio's son/daughter is there looking at him, and it's their genetic memory that's bleeding into Desmond.

rude_boys_uk
04-10-2011, 09:05 AM
In AC II did he not climb up some tower and get jiggy with some wench during some sort of flashback/dream sequence?

itsamea-mario
04-10-2011, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by samward:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dougout78:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

Agreed. If the passing on of memories through genetic code were real, then as soon as conception occurs, that's the end of the memory of that ancestor. Anything that happens to that ancestor after conception of a child would not be encoded in the DNA of the child. Therefore, Ezio has not yet concieved a child by the end of AssCredBro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what about the movie that came out before AC2? In it we follow Ezio's father not Ezio, who is teenager. Also if that were true then would we not have followed Ezio's eldest brother who would have been the first the carry the bloodline, not Ezio? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUBHEGHDCUFHRWEWGIUWGC WHAT!?!?!?

Why would we follow Fredrico, he's not Desmond's ancestor, he's not anyone ancestor he died.

I didn't realise that people could find this such a hard concept to grasp.

Turkiye96
04-10-2011, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Blackglasswar:


if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :P that was good
but yea if you ask me Ezio's story is unfinished, they have to return to him sooner or later. see im expecting either a long dlc or a minor game later on to sum up and finish his awesome story in a cool or possibally tragic and sad yet awesome ending.

Razrback16
04-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Turkiye96:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:


if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :P that was good
but yea if you ask me Ezio's story is unfinished, they have to return to him sooner or later. see im expecting either a long dlc or a minor game later on to sum up and finish his awesome story in a cool or possibally tragic and sad yet awesome ending. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do wish there was one more memory sequence to finish him up, covering who he reproduces with, etc. and gives his life some closure before we move on to another ancestor.

Razrback16
04-11-2011, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dougout78:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

Agreed. If the passing on of memories through genetic code were real, then as soon as conception occurs, that's the end of the memory of that ancestor. Anything that happens to that ancestor after conception of a child would not be encoded in the DNA of the child. Therefore, Ezio has not yet concieved a child by the end of AssCredBro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what about the movie that came out before AC2? In it we follow Ezio's father not Ezio, who is teenager. Also if that were true then would we not have followed Ezio's eldest brother who would have been the first the carry the bloodline, not Ezio? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUBHEGHDCUFHRWEWGIUWGC WHAT!?!?!?

Why would we follow Fredrico, he's not Desmond's ancestor, he's not anyone ancestor he died.

I didn't realise that people could find this such a hard concept to grasp. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are a number of people who don't seem to have picked up on how the memories transfer through the DNA, etc. Just try to be patient. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

El_Sjietah
04-11-2011, 08:10 AM
Arguing pseudo-science on a videogame forum.

I applaud your efforts, but I have given up on it a long, long time ago.

itsamea-mario
04-11-2011, 08:29 AM
What pseudo science, the only pseudo science is the animus it's self, not it's capabilities.

The animus can only read memories in the 'bloodline', i shall demonstrate said bloodline, with an actual line.

(Person born)-------------(person conceives child, next person born)---------------(same as previous)---etc...

And that is all the animus can read, anything that happens after conception isn't added to the bloodline, and so cannot be read by the animus.

which is why we can't see a character die, unless that particular sperm cell was made after the persons death, which doesn't happen.

Razrback16
04-11-2011, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
What pseudo science, the only pseudo science is the animus it's self, not it's capabilities.

The animus can only read memories in the 'bloodline', i shall demonstrate said bloodline, with an actual line.

(Person born)-------------(person conceives child, next person born)---------------(same as previous)---etc...

And that is all the animus can read, anything that happens after conception isn't added to the bloodline, and so cannot be read by the animus.

which is why we can't see a character die, unless that particular sperm cell was made after the persons death, which doesn't happen.

Good summary. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Razrback16
04-14-2011, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by rude_boys_uk:
In AC II did he not climb up some tower and get jiggy with some wench during some sort of flashback/dream sequence?

You're thinking of Altair. In AC2 Desmond has an Altair flashback that shows Altair & Maria (a templar) getting busy at the top of one of the towers in Acre.

crash3
04-14-2011, 10:34 AM
in AC3 id like to see maybe a series of statues in the hideout of the assasins from ACB with ezio in the middle like altair was in the middle of the statues in the monterrigioni sanctuary

that way you get more interconnectivity between the different games

and i reckon the ezios bloodline is continued not through him as he is very old and has impregnated anyone that we know of yet, but though claudia, she is still young enough to have children and she does work in a brothel after all

ChaosxNetwork
04-14-2011, 10:41 AM
One thing people need to remember is, when we see Altair and Maria (Was it?) and we see Desmond "Stay" with her, we are NOT in the animus, they are just hallucinations from the bleeding effect. And as the bleeding effect is not real we can only assume things about it and hope "Accurate" it is.

Razrback16
04-14-2011, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by crash3:
and i reckon the ezios bloodline is continued not through him as he is very old and has impregnated anyone that we know of yet, but though claudia, she is still young enough to have children and she does work in a brothel after all

It doesn't work that way. You are not Claudia's ancestor, but Ezio's. And the way the memories pass through the DNA is when the original person procreates. As soon as conception happens, you can no longer follow the original person's memories (a la the Altair flashback in AC2). What this tells us is that by 1507, Ezio has yet to procreate.

Ureh
04-14-2011, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
One thing people need to remember is, when we see Altair and Maria (Was it?) and we see Desmond "Stay" with her, we are NOT in the animus, they are just hallucinations from the bleeding effect. And as the bleeding effect is not real we can only assume things about it and hope "Accurate" it is.

I think those "hallucinations" are real. Shawn and Rebecca said that prolonged exposure to the Animus can cause the brain not to be able to differentiate between present and past. It keeps zig zagging back and fourth and Desmond starts seeing memories in his DNA.

I think Shawn's quote was something like: "What happens, Desmond, is you won't need the Animus to visit with your ancestor. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, assuming you could control it. But up till now, no one has."

I hope they bring back sequences like those.

El_Sjietah
04-14-2011, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
What pseudo science, the only pseudo science is the animus it's self, not it's capabilities.

The animus can only read memories in the 'bloodline', i shall demonstrate said bloodline, with an actual line.

(Person born)-------------(person conceives child, next person born)---------------(same as previous)---etc...

And that is all the animus can read, anything that happens after conception isn't added to the bloodline, and so cannot be read by the animus.

which is why we can't see a character die, unless that particular sperm cell was made after the persons death, which doesn't happen.

The entire concept of genetic memory is pseudo-science.

I'm not saying your logic is flawed btw. All I'm saying is that the general gamer is too ignorant in the ways of science to have a thoughtful discussion without having to disprove the same ignorant argument over and over.

PurpleHaze1980
04-14-2011, 05:14 PM
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

Ureh
04-14-2011, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

We know he had at least two sons. Both became Assassins and joined him in the fight against Genghis Khan.

xsatanicjokerx
04-15-2011, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by Ureh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

We know he had at least two sons. Both became Assassins and joined him in the fight against Genghis Khan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When Altair said "my sons" he was talking about his fellow assassin's. Remember he is the leader of the assassin order at that stage and would refer to the younger assassin's as his "son's" sort of like a preist does.

Razrback16
04-15-2011, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

That's actually an impossibility, rather than a high possibility. Due to the rules Ubisoft have established with the animus, if Ezio got Cristina pregnant, the game would have ended right when it happened because you cannot continue to follow Ezio once he impregnates a female, just as we could no longer follow Altair once he impregnated Maria.

ChaosxNetwork
04-15-2011, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

That's actually an impossibility, rather than a high possibility. Due to the rules Ubisoft have established with the animus, if Ezio got Cristina pregnant, the game would have ended right when it happened because you cannot continue to follow Ezio once he impregnates a female, just as we could no longer follow Altair once he impregnated Maria. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Read mu post on page 5.
How do you know that for sure,what we saw was a hallucination through the bleeding effect. We don't know how accurate it is. As we saw it for 10 seconds...

samward
04-15-2011, 06:28 AM
So I have been really thinking about this whole issue a lot, since Ezio’s genealogy does lead us to time periods, countries and people who may be the main focus of AC3.

So I have been giving the theories and thoughts in this thread some serious thought of my own. It seems to me that there is one main school of thought on bloodline and how we follow it. For a better lack of terms lets call it the camera theory, it says that once an ancestor produces an heir that he or she passes the preverbal camera lenses, in witch we can peer through, down and we are this point unable to look further on in that ancestors life; we are now transferred to peer through the eyes of the next generation only.

I can understand how many might find this logical but personally find a lot of faults with it. I believe there have been others to post as well that have issue with this theory. I know that many of us would like the devs to clear up the whole issue of genes and how it is passed down and so on, would make a lot of aspects to the game and storyline clearer. But non-the less they have chosen not too, so we are left to speculate.

So here is my theory. I think first of all it is important to look at the bloodline from Altair down to Desmond and not the other way around. Since time moves forward to bring life to us all.

The camera theory I believe states that you can only go back in time and view the slot of life of any one direct ancestor from the point of birth to the point where the next direct ancestor was born. The problem with this is that if one could really go back in time and view a person life the genes that connected you to that person in the first place would not disappear after they produced offspring. You would still be just as connected as before. There is nothing to say that you could not keep watching that life till the point of death. And since these lives have already ended long ago, there would be no need to view them linearly. A person could skip from one ancestor to another and view a complete or partial life as they saw fit.

This would explain why we skip around so much in lives of Altair and Ezio. The Assassins and Templar’s trying to access only the portions of these ancestors life that give them the information to move forward in their work.

Furthermore the camera theory hinges on the idea that the first or at least one offspring of a that descendent has the active genes that produces the special abilities passed down to Altair and Ezio.( Hence why we travel on to look at their life)We know from the game, Lineage, and the books that Altair and Ezio come from a long line of Assassins, but what we also know is that these two have abilities and connections with the Assassin cause and possibly to TWCB that is greater then the other assassins around them. (i.e. Eagle vision and so on.)

One might argue that they posses these traits because it was passed down to them through one of their parents genetic makeups. But Lineage, AC 2 and ACB show this theory to false. Through these mediums we get a fair insight to Ezio’s fathers work, his Uncles work as well as get to spend considerable time with each sibling. There is no indication that any of these people have the special abilities granted to Ezio and Altair.

It is my conclusion then that this special trait works much the same as genetic disease. (Forgive the comparison as one is bad and the other good, but it is the only thing I could think of to illustrate my point well.) A genetic disease can afflict a single person in a family and can show no sign in their offspring sometimes lying dormant for several generations. In other words it is possible for a grandparent to pass a genetic disease to their great, great, great, great, grandchild while no one else along the genetic string is affected. Because of this, while we do not know for sure, there is a very good possibility that this unique trait in Ezio’s genetic make up is the very next one in the genetic line to become activate after Altair.

So if this is true, many of you might ask what was the point in AC2 of showing Altair “planting the seed” to bring about the next generation? Well my answer for this would be that I would speculate that the point of that scene was not to show us that Altair direct descendent would have the same abilities he had, but to show us who he choose to carry on his line with. I think it was important that we see that the mother of his child was not Arab and so it makes sense through the genealogy that the bloodline make is to Italy eventually.

I think this theory would also explain why we would skip such a great gap in time. After all the Assassins and the Templars are only interested in the Pieces of Eden and the Pieces of Eden seem to only present them selves and respond to those decedents that have the genetic make up that allows these special traits and abilities to be active.( as talked about in the books) If every decedent had this active in their genetic code then we would need to look at all of there lives and see how these abilities and their connection to TWCB moved them. It makes much more scene to me that only a few have this active gene and that is why we focus only on them.

Now under my theory it is probable that none of Ezio’s children will have the same active gene as their father. And that none of their decedents will have this active gene until the main character of AC3 is born. Also my theory that Desmond can view any part of any direct ancestor life from birth to death would explain the scene in Monteriggioni. We all know that Desmond is beginning to be able to see into the past with out the animus so it is without a doubt what he is experiencing when he sees Ezio at Monteriggioni when he is quite old. Under the Camera Theory this would not be possible, that is why I think this part of the game supports my theory well.

Furthermore we have to consider Desmonds ancestors characteristics, while there is nothing to suggest that Altair was a ladies man (Another good reason for the added scene in AC 2) we know without a doubt that Ezio has been in more then a few beds in his time. So I think it is safe to say that he definitely has children before the end of ACB in fact he probably has kids at least in the womb by the end of AC2. So one way or another his line will be carried down. The real question with Ezio is not, does he have kids? But with who does Ezio produce the offspring that is next in Desmonds direct line?


So if we really can see any part of a direct ancestors life and only a select few have the active gene that Desmond possess, then the only question that remains is can the mother of Desmonds next ancestor give us any hint to what county the lineage will travel to next?

****POSSIBLE SPOILERS*****
There has been some speculations over who this decedents mother could be, Christina, Caterina Sforza, Rosa, Lucretza, or maybe just an ordinary *****. As we all know Christina is not an option, the Christina missions in ACB assure us of this.

It is very unlikely it is Lucretza as her personal history merged with Legacy would not match up.

Then maybe Caterina, Ezio’s other great love. While she does go on to live for another 2 years after the end of the game. If you read the book, there is a whole section where it talks about her retiring to live far away and with another man and Ezio laying that relationship to rest and never mentions him seeing her again. So I highly doubt she is the mother. Even if she did get preggers at the start of the game, her time in prison and ruff treatment would have likely caused her to miscarry.

So then maybe Rosa? Well in the book it does mention that she comes and takes over the Rosa in fiore after his sister suffers an ordeal. So it is possible that old romance sparked and she had kids with him. But there is nothing in the book or games to say that he even went to see her after she took over, so that is a bit of a leap to come to that conclusion.

So the only one left is a prostitute. We all know Ezio slept with lots of them in the game. We don’t know what happened to any of them so sadly at this point one of them seems the most logical to be the mother of Desmonds next direct descendent. It is a rather anti climatic conclusion, but as I can see, it seems the only logical option left.

Lets hope they release a DLC that tells us the answer, I would really rather it be Rosa then just some random girl.

samward
04-15-2011, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dougout78:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Basian:
For all the people saying he could have child already, you do understand that if that was true we would've stopped following Ezio's life already.

Agreed. If the passing on of memories through genetic code were real, then as soon as conception occurs, that's the end of the memory of that ancestor. Anything that happens to that ancestor after conception of a child would not be encoded in the DNA of the child. Therefore, Ezio has not yet concieved a child by the end of AssCredBro. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what about the movie that came out before AC2? In it we follow Ezio's father not Ezio, who is teenager. Also if that were true then would we not have followed Ezio's eldest brother who would have been the first the carry the bloodline, not Ezio? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUBHEGHDCUFHRWEWGIUWGC WHAT!?!?!?

Why would we follow Fredrico, he's not Desmond's ancestor, he's not anyone ancestor he died.

I didn't realise that people could find this such a hard concept to grasp. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont think we should follow Frederico, I was trying to grasp what others ideas were on this issue. As they said the camera would be passed down to the first child Ezio had, hence why Ezio had no kids yet, and if that were true it would apply to Ezio's father as well and we would follow Ezio's brother. Just pointing out why that idea did not add up.

I also think it so stupid how so many people on here talk with such great authority on topics that have never been clearly laid out in the games or books. I think we all have to remember that a lot of this is THEORY supported by what ever facts we can grasp. There is no reason why we can not debate the issue like adults with civility.

Ureh
04-15-2011, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ureh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

We know he had at least two sons. Both became Assassins and joined him in the fight against Genghis Khan. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When Altair said "my sons" he was talking about his fellow assassin's. Remember he is the leader of the assassin order at that stage and would refer to the younger assassin's as his "son's" sort of like a preist does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good idea, that's another way of interpreting it.

But my opnion remains the same. I don't know if Al Mualim ever called anybody else his "son" but the reason why he called Altair was because they had a fake father-son relationship. The way Altair says that Maria and him must go talk to their sons conveys a more personal feeling to me. Unless Maria became Grand Mistress of the Assassins or they adopted boys (We'll call it Altaria) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. He mentioned that he's old which means that he probably had kids when he wrote that, so I assumed he was referring to his kids when he says son.

Those are just my feelings and guess. Don't have solid proof he's actually referring to biplogical sons.

El_Sjietah
04-15-2011, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by samward:
Giant wall of text

Without going into the errors that have been disproven countless times already in this thread, it doesn't have to be some random *****. The people we see in AC2 and ACB aren't the entire world's population of 1500, you know.

Razrback16
04-15-2011, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by samward:
So I have been really thinking about this whole issue a lot, since Ezio’s genealogy does lead us to time periods, countries and people who may be the main focus of AC3.

So I have been giving the theories and thoughts in this thread some serious thought of my own. It seems to me that there is one main school of thought on bloodline and how we follow it. For a better lack of terms lets call it the camera theory, it says that once an ancestor produces an heir that he or she passes the preverbal camera lenses, in witch we can peer through, down and we are this point unable to look further on in that ancestors life; we are now transferred to peer through the eyes of the next generation only.

I can understand how many might find this logical but personally find a lot of faults with it. I believe there have been others to post as well that have issue with this theory. I know that many of us would like the devs to clear up the whole issue of genes and how it is passed down and so on, would make a lot of aspects to the game and storyline clearer. But non-the less they have chosen not too, so we are left to speculate.

So here is my theory. I think first of all it is important to look at the bloodline from Altair down to Desmond and not the other way around. Since time moves forward to bring life to us all.

The camera theory I believe states that you can only go back in time and view the slot of life of any one direct ancestor from the point of birth to the point where the next direct ancestor was born. The problem with this is that if one could really go back in time and view a person life the genes that connected you to that person in the first place would not disappear after they produced offspring. You would still be just as connected as before. There is nothing to say that you could not keep watching that life till the point of death. And since these lives have already ended long ago, there would be no need to view them linearly. A person could skip from one ancestor to another and view a complete or partial life as they saw fit.

This would explain why we skip around so much in lives of Altair and Ezio. The Assassins and Templar’s trying to access only the portions of these ancestors life that give them the information to move forward in their work.

Furthermore the camera theory hinges on the idea that the first or at least one offspring of a that descendent has the active genes that produces the special abilities passed down to Altair and Ezio.( Hence why we travel on to look at their life)We know from the game, Lineage, and the books that Altair and Ezio come from a long line of Assassins, but what we also know is that these two have abilities and connections with the Assassin cause and possibly to TWCB that is greater then the other assassins around them. (i.e. Eagle vision and so on.)

One might argue that they posses these traits because it was passed down to them through one of their parents genetic makeups. But Lineage, AC 2 and ACB show this theory to false. Through these mediums we get a fair insight to Ezio’s fathers work, his Uncles work as well as get to spend considerable time with each sibling. There is no indication that any of these people have the special abilities granted to Ezio and Altair.

It is my conclusion then that this special trait works much the same as genetic disease. (Forgive the comparison as one is bad and the other good, but it is the only thing I could think of to illustrate my point well.) A genetic disease can afflict a single person in a family and can show no sign in their offspring sometimes lying dormant for several generations. In other words it is possible for a grandparent to pass a genetic disease to their great, great, great, great, grandchild while no one else along the genetic string is affected. Because of this, while we do not know for sure, there is a very good possibility that this unique trait in Ezio’s genetic make up is the very next one in the genetic line to become activate after Altair.

So if this is true, many of you might ask what was the point in AC2 of showing Altair “planting the seed” to bring about the next generation? Well my answer for this would be that I would speculate that the point of that scene was not to show us that Altair direct descendent would have the same abilities he had, but to show us who he choose to carry on his line with. I think it was important that we see that the mother of his child was not Arab and so it makes sense through the genealogy that the bloodline make is to Italy eventually.

I think this theory would also explain why we would skip such a great gap in time. After all the Assassins and the Templars are only interested in the Pieces of Eden and the Pieces of Eden seem to only present them selves and respond to those decedents that have the genetic make up that allows these special traits and abilities to be active.( as talked about in the books) If every decedent had this active in their genetic code then we would need to look at all of there lives and see how these abilities and their connection to TWCB moved them. It makes much more scene to me that only a few have this active gene and that is why we focus only on them.

Now under my theory it is probable that none of Ezio’s children will have the same active gene as their father. And that none of their decedents will have this active gene until the main character of AC3 is born. Also my theory that Desmond can view any part of any direct ancestor life from birth to death would explain the scene in Monteriggioni. We all know that Desmond is beginning to be able to see into the past with out the animus so it is without a doubt what he is experiencing when he sees Ezio at Monteriggioni when he is quite old. Under the Camera Theory this would not be possible, that is why I think this part of the game supports my theory well.

Furthermore we have to consider Desmonds ancestors characteristics, while there is nothing to suggest that Altair was a ladies man (Another good reason for the added scene in AC 2) we know without a doubt that Ezio has been in more then a few beds in his time. So I think it is safe to say that he definitely has children before the end of ACB in fact he probably has kids at least in the womb by the end of AC2. So one way or another his line will be carried down. The real question with Ezio is not, does he have kids? But with who does Ezio produce the offspring that is next in Desmonds direct line?


So if we really can see any part of a direct ancestors life and only a select few have the active gene that Desmond possess, then the only question that remains is can the mother of Desmonds next ancestor give us any hint to what county the lineage will travel to next?

****POSSIBLE SPOILERS*****
There has been some speculations over who this decedents mother could be, Christina, Caterina Sforza, Rosa, Lucretza, or maybe just an ordinary *****. As we all know Christina is not an option, the Christina missions in ACB assure us of this.

It is very unlikely it is Lucretza as her personal history merged with Legacy would not match up.

Then maybe Caterina, Ezio’s other great love. While she does go on to live for another 2 years after the end of the game. If you read the book, there is a whole section where it talks about her retiring to live far away and with another man and Ezio laying that relationship to rest and never mentions him seeing her again. So I highly doubt she is the mother. Even if she did get preggers at the start of the game, her time in prison and ruff treatment would have likely caused her to miscarry.

So then maybe Rosa? Well in the book it does mention that she comes and takes over the Rosa in fiore after his sister suffers an ordeal. So it is possible that old romance sparked and she had kids with him. But there is nothing in the book or games to say that he even went to see her after she took over, so that is a bit of a leap to come to that conclusion.

So the only one left is a prostitute. We all know Ezio slept with lots of them in the game. We don’t know what happened to any of them so sadly at this point one of them seems the most logical to be the mother of Desmonds next direct descendent. It is a rather anti climatic conclusion, but as I can see, it seems the only logical option left.

Lets hope they release a DLC that tells us the answer, I would really rather it be Rosa then just some random girl.

Good thoughts and well-put-together. Perhaps you are right and perhaps not. As you said toward the beginning of your post, it would be awesome if a developer could chime in just to confirm how this process works as far as the memories and reproducing, (the "camera theory" as you titled it).

And I agree it would be nice to see him with someone in a final DLC Single Player mission so he could be happy. He has such a sad story in terms of women/love.

Razrback16
04-15-2011, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by xHITx_Chaos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:
For all we know, Cristina may have become pregnant (high possibility, no contraceptives in these troubled times!) during her early relationship with Ezio.

She might have moved to a remote location under a different name, continuing to remain pregnant with the sob story she was a widow whose husband had been killed by the Pazzi family (or something as believable but tragic) and then having the child and giving the child away to a childless family OR a convent/church where the child would be brought up later to discover his/her heritage.

We'll probably never know; we knew who Altair had a child with but we never knew who that child became or who his children became, etc.

That's actually an impossibility, rather than a high possibility. Due to the rules Ubisoft have established with the animus, if Ezio got Cristina pregnant, the game would have ended right when it happened because you cannot continue to follow Ezio once he impregnates a female, just as we could no longer follow Altair once he impregnated Maria. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Read mu post on page 5.
How do you know that for sure,what we saw was a hallucination through the bleeding effect. We don't know how accurate it is. As we saw it for 10 seconds... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Truly no one knows for sure. All we have to go on is the data at hand -- and at least to me that indicates that we cannot follow an ancestor any longer once they procreate. Now, as covered in my previous post speaking with samward, we really don't have confirmation of that from the developers. Until they confirm I would have to lean toward the "camera theory" as samward called it since that's what the factual data we have right now shows me.

samward
04-15-2011, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:
Giant wall of text

Without going into the errors that have been disproven countless times already in this thread, it doesn't have to be some random *****. The people we see in AC2 and ACB aren't the entire world's population of 1500, you know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes that is true, that is why I said untill this point we have no CURRENT eveidence that points to anyone else. And I said this was a theory, not hard fact.

El_Sjietah
04-15-2011, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by samward:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:
Giant wall of text

Without going into the errors that have been disproven countless times already in this thread, it doesn't have to be some random *****. The people we see in AC2 and ACB aren't the entire world's population of 1500, you know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes that is true, that is why I said untill this point we have no CURRENT eveidence that points to anyone else. And I said this was a theory, not hard fact. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, must've misread the tone then. My bad.

samward
04-15-2011, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
Good thoughts and well-put-together. Perhaps you are right and perhaps not. As you said toward the beginning of your post, it would be awesome if a developer could chime in just to confirm how this process works as far as the memories and reproducing, (the "camera theory" as you titled it).

And I agree it would be nice to see him with someone in a final DLC Single Player mission so he could be happy. He has such a sad story in terms of women/love.

Thanks for the feedback. I personally just dont understand how the evidence points to the Camera Theory. Like I said, if the ancestor Desmond is reliving has the genetic make up to allow him to access his memories to begin with, what is to say that he cant access memories from ANY part of that persons life? I am just honestly trying to understand why so many people feel that the evidece points to the Camera Theory. Is it just because we dont see any ancestors memories after their kids are born? Because there are lots of other parts of their lives we dont get to experince their memories in. I am not trying to be rude or anything, I just can't logically make heads or tails of how so many have come to understand it from that point of view. Maybe you can lay out some evdence to help me put it together. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Cheers!

El_Sjietah
04-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by samward:

Thanks for the feedback. I personally just dont understand how the evidence points to the Camera Theory. Like I said, if the ancestor Desmond is reliving has the genetic make up to allow him to access his memories to begin with, what is to say that he cant access memories from ANY part of that persons life? I am just honestly trying to understand why so many people feel that the evidece points to the Camera Theory. Is it just because we dont see any ancestors memories after their kids are born? Because there are lots of other parts of their lives we dont get to experince their memories in. I am not trying to be rude or anything, I just can't logically make heads or tails of how so many have come to understand it from that point of view. Maybe you can lay out some evdence to help me put it together. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Cheers!

The theory behind genetic memory is that you don't only store your experiences in your mind, but in your DNA as well. The Animus allows a subject to access the memories stored in their DNA. Seeing how DNA gets passed on from parent to child, a person's DNA contains the memories of all its ancestors as well. However, because the DNA gets passed on at the moment of conception, anything that happens to the parent after that isn't recorded in the child's DNA and therefor can't be viewed in the Animus.

Last time I'm explaining that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Razrback16
04-15-2011, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by samward:

Thanks for the feedback. I personally just dont understand how the evidence points to the Camera Theory. Like I said, if the ancestor Desmond is reliving has the genetic make up to allow him to access his memories to begin with, what is to say that he cant access memories from ANY part of that persons life? I am just honestly trying to understand why so many people feel that the evidece points to the Camera Theory. Is it just because we dont see any ancestors memories after their kids are born? Because there are lots of other parts of their lives we dont get to experince their memories in. I am not trying to be rude or anything, I just can't logically make heads or tails of how so many have come to understand it from that point of view. Maybe you can lay out some evdence to help me put it together. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Cheers!

The theory behind genetic memory is that you don't only store your experiences in your mind, but in your DNA as well. The Animus allows a subject to access the memories stored in their DNA. Seeing how DNA gets passed on from parent to child, a person's DNA contains the memories of all its ancestors as well. However, because the DNA gets passed on at the moment of conception, anything that happens to the parent after that isn't recorded in the child's DNA and therefor can't be viewed in the Animus.

Last time I'm explaining that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good explanation -- and Samward, you were not coming off as rude, I understood what you were saying. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif This guy above explained it as well as I could have.

prooijtje
04-15-2011, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by bokeef04:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BloodyMoon1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaiszon:
Do we forget that Ezio wasn't the only one of "pure" Assassin bloodline? His sister too shares the bloodline and it could have been her who gave birth to the next Assassino.

Yeah, I know, it's balls, but just throwing another kink into the line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If the next assassin came from Ezio's sister and your following Ezio.....ew, you need help man, lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aaaah, but whoever said the line continued through Ezio? Just because we play as Ezio, doesn't mean that he fathered the next Assassin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the whole premise of the game, the animus works by reading the genetic memories within your DNA, meaning you can't follow anyone who is not your biological relative as the memories wouldn't be passed on, if Ezio never had a child directly related to desmond he would not contain the genetic memory e.g if i was to have a child, my child would not have any memories of anything my brother has done while i was not present, hence why we can't see what Claudia/Maria or any other character from ACB got upto while Ezio wasn't around, also the reason why we are following Ezio through the whole game </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maria is Ezio's mother so you should be able to follow her life

Vey03
04-16-2011, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:

The theory behind genetic memory is that you don't only store your experiences in your mind, but in your DNA as well. The Animus allows a subject to access the memories stored in their DNA. Seeing how DNA gets passed on from parent to child, a person's DNA contains the memories of all its ancestors as well. However, because the DNA gets passed on at the moment of conception, anything that happens to the parent after that isn't recorded in the child's DNA and therefor can't be viewed in the Animus.

Last time I'm explaining that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The bits i've done in bold...just trying to understand it better...

Or do you mean that you can view any and all of your ancestor's (i mean different people, many ancestors) memories, but only to the point when they concieved a child? And nothing after?

El_Sjietah
04-16-2011, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Mouse03:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by El_Sjietah:

The theory behind genetic memory is that you don't only store your experiences in your mind, but in your DNA as well. The Animus allows a subject to access the memories stored in their DNA. Seeing how DNA gets passed on from parent to child, a person's DNA contains the memories of all its ancestors as well. However, because the DNA gets passed on at the moment of conception, anything that happens to the parent after that isn't recorded in the child's DNA and therefor can't be viewed in the Animus.

Last time I'm explaining that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The bits i've done in bold...just trying to understand it better...

Or do you mean that you can view any and all of your ancestor's (i mean different people, many ancestors) memories, but only to the point when they concieved a child? And nothing after? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty much, yes. But to be more precise, only to the point when they concieved your ancestor. if that ancestor had an older brother, the memories obviously don't stop at his conception.

itsamea-mario
04-16-2011, 07:08 AM
You don't need to be told every precise detail to understand, the games say that the animus reads DNA which supposedly stores memories, the rest is just fact, and if it was different they'd say.
We know that the genes of someone will not be passed to a siblings offspring, think about it.
Also that a persons genes will not be passed to a child after it was conceived, unless you decided to go round splicing DNA and inserting memories, and i'm that technology didn't exist then, not entirely sure it does now.

you can't fill a cup once it's been passed on.
You can't pass on genes once the child already has been made.
Analogies are great aren't they?

El_Sjietah explained it quite well.

lilbacchant
04-16-2011, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by El_Sjietah:
All I'm saying is that the general gamer is too ignorant in the ways of science to have a thoughtful discussion without having to disprove the same ignorant argument over and over.

El_Sjietah, you're such a cynic.

Nice to see that you're still around, btw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Bontycho
04-16-2011, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Turkiye96:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackglasswar:


if he were a woman yeah... the production would stop, but men tend to be able to keep it up (pardon the pun) for most of their life. He might well have been a randy bugger on his 50th and started a family.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :P that was good
but yea if you ask me Ezio's story is unfinished, they have to return to him sooner or later. see im expecting either a long dlc or a minor game later on to sum up and finish his awesome story in a cool or possibally tragic and sad yet awesome ending. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do wish there was one more memory sequence to finish him up, covering who he reproduces with, etc. and gives his life some closure before we move on to another ancestor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that could be the first sequence of the next game to come... We may find out who he has a child with and it could sort of transfer the memories to the child at a later age?

samward
04-17-2011, 11:06 AM
****SPOILERS IF U HAVE NOT FINISHED ACB****
So I just finsihed ACB again and as I was listening to Juno rant, something she said caught my attention. She says, "Your DNA communes with the apple, you have activated it"."On the 72nd day before the moment of awakening. You birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemies...."

Then it just came to my mind that Altiar has a child with a former Templar (our emeies) so maybe Ezio is to be the same. Maybe the mother of Ezio's child, in Desmonds direct line, is a Templar. I know that there is no woman that fits this description in the game at this point, but maybe it is a hint if they ever do release the info? Just a thought...

Earlier in the game Lucy mentions that it is 72 days before the Templar satellite becomes active. And then Juno says, "72 days before the moment of awakening" I belive Juno is talking about how when Desmond touches the apple, because it was touched previously by Ezio and Minerva, that it has the ablities to awaken the sixth sense in him. But what I find interesting is that she says "72 days before..." So Juno is aware some how how of the Templars plans. Is it possible then that maybe the Templar DNA in Desmond has somehow affected how Juno responds to him, or even what she knows? I have not given this idea any real length of thought, just somthing that kinda connected in my head....

thoughts?

Also someone said (I think in this thread... i hope http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif) that they thought maybe Desmond falls at the end because the apple weakens him as it does Ezio in the game... great thought. Had not connected that. I also noted that Ezio always touched the apple with a gloved hand and Desmond touches it with both of his bare hands... not sure what difference if any this would make... but just thought it was interesting.... (thanks for indulging my off topic moment)

Calyptus
04-17-2011, 01:59 PM
my guess is Lucretia Borgia. She has the hots for him, is still young, had quite a few more children after AC:B ends, and her lines in AC:B remind me of Maria; a brainwashed girl who thinks she's doing the right thing.

Mizz_Assassin
04-17-2011, 06:58 PM
i think what minerva meant by the "You birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemies...." was that the enemy was the humans. because didnt the humans betray the gods?

also, charlie chaplin fathered his last child when he was 73.. so plenty of time for our italian stallion.

Blind2Society
04-17-2011, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Mizz_Assassin:
also, charlie chaplin fathered his last child when he was 73.. so plenty of time for our italian stallion.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I'm wondering if Ubi even planned on wrapping up Ezio's story. They just kind of jumped out of the animus once the apple was found to continue Desmond's story.

Someone from Ubi (can't recall who at the moment) mentioned that AC3 will be a new ancestor. Maybe they will have things like Ezio's memoirs (like Altair's codex pages) and a short Ezio mission like the Altair one in ACII.

This would make a great tradition for Assassin leaders, the writing of memoirs. Since I'm on the subject of tradition, Ubi should bring back the feathers of AC.

Sorry for ensuing derail...

What did Petruccio want with the feathers anyway? I don't remember the game ever explaining what he was planning to do with them.

inductivetoast
04-17-2011, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by BloodyMoon1:
Not Christina. There's a storyline in Brotherhood about her and Ezio going back to visit her several times. *SPOILER* Christina gets engaged during the 2 years Ezio is at Monteriggoni, marries the guy, then meets Ezio again in Venice and is mad at him because she wanted to go with Ezio instead of marrying her husband. In the next one, Christina gets killed, and reveals that she never stopped loving Ezio. *SPOILER ENDED*

Whoever it is though, it would have to have happened after the end of Ezio's use in the story because if Ezio has a kid, that would end the memory segments for Ezio because the kid wouldn't have the memories of after his conception, so he had the kid after 48.

Question, if Ezio was being followed by 16 and Desmond, was Ezio sleeping with Caterina a ********? i thought she dies of phenomena

Ogz73
04-17-2011, 09:23 PM
Ezio probably had some trouble finding the woman that was supposed to be with him just as Desmond has some trouble finding his match seeing how his love interest, Lucy dies because she is not the right one for him.

Also, I find it funny how some of the devs might be reading these theories on the forums and just laughing because they already know exactly how the story is to play out and here we have alot of people so frustrated, they want answers! lol

lilbacchant
04-17-2011, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Blind2Society:
Since I'm on the subject of tradition, Ubi should bring back the feathers of AC.

What did Petruccio want with the feathers anyway?

He figured the more feathers he collected, the more assassins he could assign to eliminate his many rivals. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

samward
04-18-2011, 04:38 AM
Also, I find it funny how some of the devs might be reading these theories on the forums and just laughing because they already know exactly how the story is to play out and here we have alot of people so frustrated, they want answers! lol

hahaha Yeah I often think they probably sit around at Lunch an talk about how crazy we all are :P

Razrback16
04-18-2011, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by samward:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, I find it funny how some of the devs might be reading these theories on the forums and just laughing because they already know exactly how the story is to play out and here we have alot of people so frustrated, they want answers! lol

hahaha Yeah I often think they probably sit around at Lunch an talk about how crazy we all are :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Without a doubt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cephsus
04-20-2011, 09:14 PM
Hm, im gonna go with Rosa from AC2.

Considering she take over the brothel after Claudia steps down as madam (novel). Which give Ezio and Rosa time to jiggy after ACB ending. In theory anyway. xD

Blind2Society
04-20-2011, 11:54 PM
They had time to bump uglies during AC2 as well, in the time before she hands Ezio the shipping manifest. There was a big gap in time there. Not too mention how flerty they were and the way she gives Ezio and Leonardo permission to leave was very, ummm, girlfriend like I guess you'd say. So it is not out of the question that they did the ol' mommy-daddy dance.

Calyptus
04-21-2011, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by gyigyogyigyo:
its funny how ezio love the old women caterina.. lol... maybe ezio never have a son i think maybe a unknown brother of ezio? or maybe CLAUDIA son have that dna lol... like 16 ancestor is altair but desmond can do that too...

stay in school and learn how DNA and logic works, kid.

gyigyogyigyo
04-21-2011, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Calyptus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gyigyogyigyo:
its funny how ezio love the old women caterina.. lol... maybe ezio never have a son i think maybe a unknown brother of ezio? or maybe CLAUDIA son have that dna lol... like 16 ancestor is altair but desmond can do that too...

stay in school and learn how DNA and logic works, kid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i am not a kid and in this game everything can happening bcz this is a game not real life.. you kid troll...
but if you wanna hear my another idea: ezio ****ed the whole italy so ezio have so many kid..lol...

Calyptus
04-21-2011, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by gyigyogyigyo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calyptus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gyigyogyigyo:
its funny how ezio love the old women caterina.. lol... maybe ezio never have a son i think maybe a unknown brother of ezio? or maybe CLAUDIA son have that dna lol... like 16 ancestor is altair but desmond can do that too...

stay in school and learn how DNA and logic works, kid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i am not a kid and in this game everything can happening bcz this is a game not real life.. you kid troll...
but if you wanna hear my another idea: ezio ****ed the whole italy so ezio have so many kid..lol... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I'll try to make this easy for you.

The moment the next direct ancestor in Desmond's pedegree is concieved, is the moment Desmond's genetic memory of Ezio stops. Not a moment sooner or later.

These are the "house rules" we saw in AC2 with Altair and Maria, even though they aren't completely realistic, they are close enough. One could for example argue that "finished" sperm can stay in the balls for a while.

In other words, if that direct ancestor was born before the start of AC:B, Desmond could not have been able to relive it because it would not have been in his DNA. And for the exact same reason, it can't be Claudia either.

Yes, Ezio ****ed whatever moved, and could have had 100 children for all we know, but the direct next ancestor towards Desmond was not yet concieved at the end of AC:B.

One could argue that by chance Desmond could have 2 or more direct ancestors born of Ezio, but in that case, at least the youngest one wasn't concieved yet.

So Cristina and Catherina both are not the "one". Cristina because she's dead, and Catherina won't have another kid and dies a year after the end of AC:B.

Rosa, maybe. But she's not mentioned at all in AC:B, and getting on in years. She is in the novel, but that not entirely canon.

Lucrezia, well, Ezio told her to clean up her act. History says she did, and even renewed contact with her son Giovanni Borgia, who's an Assassin. She's young and had plenty more children after AC:B ends, and wasn't known to be very faithful, AND has the hots for Ezio...

Razrback16
04-22-2011, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by Calyptus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gyigyogyigyo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Calyptus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gyigyogyigyo:
its funny how ezio love the old women caterina.. lol... maybe ezio never have a son i think maybe a unknown brother of ezio? or maybe CLAUDIA son have that dna lol... like 16 ancestor is altair but desmond can do that too...

stay in school and learn how DNA and logic works, kid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i am not a kid and in this game everything can happening bcz this is a game not real life.. you kid troll...
but if you wanna hear my another idea: ezio ****ed the whole italy so ezio have so many kid..lol... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I'll try to make this easy for you.

The moment the next direct ancestor in Desmond's pedegree is concieved, is the moment Desmond's genetic memory of Ezio stops. Not a moment sooner or later.

These are the "house rules" we saw in AC2 with Altair and Maria, even though they aren't completely realistic, they are close enough. One could for example argue that "finished" sperm can stay in the balls for a while.

In other words, if that direct ancestor was born before the start of AC:B, Desmond could not have been able to relive it because it would not have been in his DNA. And for the exact same reason, it can't be Claudia either.

Yes, Ezio ****ed whatever moved, and could have had 100 children for all we know, but the direct next ancestor towards Desmond was not yet concieved at the end of AC:B.

One could argue that by chance Desmond could have 2 or more direct ancestors born of Ezio, but in that case, at least the youngest one wasn't concieved yet.

So Cristina and Catherina both are not the "one". Cristina because she's dead, and Catherina won't have another kid and dies a year after the end of AC:B.

Rosa, maybe. But she's not mentioned at all in AC:B, and getting on in years. She is in the novel, but that not entirely canon.

Lucrezia, well, Ezio told her to clean up her act. History says she did, and even renewed contact with her son Giovanni Borgia, who's an Assassin. She's young and had plenty more children after AC:B ends, and wasn't known to be very faithful, AND has the hots for Ezio... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A well-written summary, thank you sir. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You say Caterina did not have any other kids after 1507? I would imagine that rules her out then as you suggested. I'd be very happy with the more mature, good-person version of Lucrezia. GIT-R-DONE, haha. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://mediarushes.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/assassins-creed-brotherhood-the-da-vinci-disappearance-wife.jpg

del140904084401
04-23-2011, 02:10 AM
well my parents are from trapani, so i like the italian connection in the game, that said i feel much like ezio, im older now, i've always sleep with as many attractive girls as i can, a bit more selective than some my friends but everyone has there own standards now with that outta the way "im the boss" master assassin,you have rosa and her dusty old uterus, borgia good prob has vd from her dead brother,or you i have a whole flock of little female wanta-bee assassin girls dying for my old hidden blade

Inorganic9_2
04-23-2011, 07:08 AM
^ I lol'd...kind of

Ritzy-Cat
04-23-2011, 08:05 AM
I'd always been lead to thinking it was the mercenary's wife.

rob.davies2014
04-23-2011, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Ritzy-Cat:
I'd always been lead to thinking it was the mercenary's wife.

I think you may be right there. But Ezio really doesn't seem like the kind of man who would sleep with his friend's wife. Maybe after Bartholomeo died, Ezio and Pantasilea started a relationship...
There were a few "looks" now and then that I thought hinted at a deeper relationship.
Who knows? Perhaps AC3 will explain the rest of Ezio's life.

Razrback16
04-25-2011, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Ritzy-Cat:
I'd always been lead to thinking it was the mercenary's wife.

Unlikely unless Bartolomeo was dead as someone else suggested.

reini03
04-25-2011, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ritzy-Cat:
I'd always been lead to thinking it was the mercenary's wife.

Unlikely unless Bartolomeo was dead as someone else suggested. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bartolomeo d'Alviano died in 1515 (Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeo_d%27Alviano) . So... maybe, but Ezio would be at least 56 years old. I guess that doesn't matter? ;D

Ovrgwn Assassin
04-25-2011, 11:53 AM
actuly if people listen to what minerva said to desmond at the end of ACB she said "you birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemys" so its a great possibillity that it is lucretzia that ezio had the child with because ezio has the 6 sences like minerva said and lucretzia is part of the enemy family.

think about it.

Razrback16
04-26-2011, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by creedmaster2009:
actuly if people listen to what minerva said to desmond at the end of ACB she said "you birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemys" so its a great possibillity that it is lucretzia that ezio had the child with because ezio has the 6 sences like minerva said and lucretzia is part of the enemy family.

think about it.

That has made me wonder about Lucrezia more as well. I like that potential story.

reini03
04-26-2011, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by creedmaster2009:
actuly if people listen to what minerva said to desmond at the end of ACB she said "you birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemys" so its a great possibillity that it is lucretzia that ezio had the child with because ezio has the 6 sences like minerva said and lucretzia is part of the enemy family.

think about it.

Doesn't mean anything. Altair had a child with Maria, who was also a Templar. See AC2 dream sequence.

Extractz
04-26-2011, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Valaquen_:
I'd actually rather it was Rosa, or another character. Caterina, in a rage, had infants tortured and executed. Bad lady!

Yeah I Have to agree with you there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Neelanna
04-26-2011, 02:27 PM
actuly if people listen to what minerva said to desmond at the end of ACB she said "you birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemys" so its a great possibillity that it is lucretzia that ezio had the child with because ezio has the 6 sences like minerva said and lucretzia is part of the enemy family.

think about it.

I am pretty sure that just refers to the fact that the Assassins have passed down some traits from 'those that came before'. The whole 'eagle vision' is the extra sense that Minervas race had. So the mixing of the blood happened LONG ago.
As for Ezios bloodline, since the memory is supposedly handed down genetically, any memory would have to come from his childs viewpoint. Desmond could no longer follow Ezios point of view after conception.

Ovrgwn Assassin
04-26-2011, 04:49 PM
i've seen alot of people saying that wen altiair got it on with maria you start following the baby things memorys

NOTE**
THIS WAS NOT IN THE ANIMUS that mean nothing.

Xz SyKoTiiK zX
04-26-2011, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Confusious30:
Ezio could have impregnated any of the... courtesans that he slept with over the years.

Somehow I don't think they had protection back in those days. If you ever listened to the heralds, occasionally they talk about the spread of syphilis or some STD(Can't remember at the top of my head which one it was) But I just lol every time I walk by hearing the herald shouting it out.

Calyptus
04-27-2011, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Ritzy-Cat:
I'd always been lead to thinking it was the mercenary's wife.

lol... You mean Bartolomeo right? While possible, that would really be a **** move.

But the look she gave him and the touching is indeed kinda... confusing...

Calyptus
04-27-2011, 11:39 AM
,or you i have a whole flock of little female wanta-bee assassin girls dying for my old hidden blade

that made me spill my drink...

Razrback16
05-03-2011, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Calyptus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ritzy-Cat:
I'd always been lead to thinking it was the mercenary's wife.

lol... You mean Bartolomeo right? While possible, that would really be a **** move.

But the look she gave him and the touching is indeed kinda... confusing... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah she touches Ezio a lot, but I think she's just friendly more than anything else. But it's certainly not impossible and definitely an angle I haven't considered.

E-Zekiel
05-03-2011, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by MagnifyHope:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by creedmaster2009:
actuly if people listen to what minerva said to desmond at the end of ACB she said "you birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemys" so its a great possibillity that it is lucretzia that ezio had the child with because ezio has the 6 sences like minerva said and lucretzia is part of the enemy family.

think about it.

Doesn't mean anything. Altair had a child with Maria, who was also a Templar. See AC2 dream sequence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Meh. For the above reasons, and as you said, Altair had a child with Maria, I always thought it not beyond belief that Ezio, like Altair, would have a son with a templar who "turned", basically.


Another possibility that has lingered in my mind is that Altair, Ezio, Desmond, etc are all actually the same person.

ShaneO7K
05-03-2011, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by MagnifyHope:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by creedmaster2009:
actuly if people listen to what minerva said to desmond at the end of ACB she said "you birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemys" so its a great possibillity that it is lucretzia that ezio had the child with because ezio has the 6 sences like minerva said and lucretzia is part of the enemy family.

think about it.

Doesn't mean anything. Altair had a child with Maria, who was also a Templar. See AC2 dream sequence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I think she was talking about a mix between TWCB race and the human race, it's how Altair has eagle vision.

GunnarGunderson
05-03-2011, 07:29 PM
perhaps Fiorra Cavazza

VRTX97
05-03-2011, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by creedmaster2009:
i've seen alot of people saying that wen altiair got it on with maria you start following the baby things memorys

NOTE**
THIS WAS NOT IN THE ANIMUS that mean nothing.

Then you're telling me AC: The Fall is not real either?

Razrback16
05-05-2011, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by BradKinn:
perhaps Fiorra Cavazza

I haven't followed Legacy much -- does Ezio have any romantic encounters with Fiorra?

iN3krO
05-05-2011, 08:40 AM
For those who use real facts to start saying lucrezia not and caterina not:

In ac1 ubisoft changed the dates of the death of our enemies (who were real persons too), they said that templairs control the media and that's why we think they died in some years and in the game they died in another year.... maybe something written about those girls are not true (i mean in-game) :P

Personally, i think it was Lucrezia :P

About those who don't know how animus works:

DON'T PLAY AC:B BEFORE AC1 AND AC2 -.-' there are many folks that bought ac:b and didn't play ac1/2 or bought ac2 and brotherhood and havnt played ac1... My friends did it too and now they don't fully understand the game, and they say they are fans of ac series hahaha...

reini03
05-05-2011, 11:15 AM
I guess we'll find out in AC:Revelations http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Razrback16
05-05-2011, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by MagnifyHope:
I guess we'll find out in AC:Revelations http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I just saw that. Can't wait for official news on it.

mantledarcanum
05-10-2011, 03:47 AM
Ugh, if it's this Sofia person, Ezio will need an honorary position at the Rosa in Fiore. He sleeps around more than the wage-earning girls! Please Ubi.. don't toss in some unknown turkish delight for that. There's already a ton of anger going around the nets for that conspiracy.

Razrback16
05-10-2011, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by aquarianfae:
Ugh, if it's this Sofia person, Ezio will need an honorary position at the Rosa in Fiore. He sleeps around more than the wage-earning girls! Please Ubi.. don't toss in some unknown turkish delight for that. There's already a ton of anger going around the nets for that conspiracy.

Fill me in --- who is Sofia?

mantledarcanum
05-10-2011, 07:28 AM
New chick in AC: Revelations. From Game Informer:

Ezio will make new friends, such as Suleiman, Yusuf Azim who is also a master assassin, and Sofia Sorto who makes Ezio question what his life would be like if he had never had to become an assassin.

Razrback16
05-10-2011, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by aquarianfae:
New chick in AC: Revelations. From Game Informer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ezio will make new friends, such as Suleiman, Yusuf Azim who is also a master assassin, and Sofia Sorto who makes Ezio question what his life would be like if he had never had to become an assassin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah interesting, thank you.

FrankieSatt
05-10-2011, 10:21 AM
I would have to say that given his age it would have to have been someone between AC2 and before Revelations. I would hope that by the time Revelations come around he has matured out of the "Ladies Man" and into an Assassin who has settled down. I would be disappointed if he was still messing around at his age in Revelations.

I'm sure though that we'll find out who the child was and who the mother was in Revelations.

iN3krO
05-10-2011, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
I would have to say that given his age it would have to have been someone between AC2 and before Revelations. I would hope that by the time Revelations come around he has matured out of the "Ladies Man" and into an Assassin who has settled down. I would be disappointed if he was still messing around at his age in Revelations.

I'm sure though that we'll find out who the child was and who the mother was in Revelations.

Are u kidding me? Play ac1 please :S

mantledarcanum
05-10-2011, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by daniel_gervide:

Are u kidding me? Play ac1 please :S

For what? Altair wasn't an old man when he got it on. Yeah, Ezio probably was still kicking around and knocking boots with some kind of woman, but he would have had less of a legitimate chance to conceive at that point.

EDIT: Just saw the Game Informer. Really, UBI? REALLY?

Razrback16
05-11-2011, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
I would have to say that given his age it would have to have been someone between AC2 and before Revelations.

Ezio has not produced Desmond's ancestor by the end of Brotherhood. As soon as Ezio procreates and the female he procreates with becomes impregnated, we can no longer follow Ezio's memories. This is how we will know when it happens and who it happens with. I suspect that's how Revelations will close out -- Ezio will have a scene with a girl and it will fade out from that point.

FrankieSatt
05-11-2011, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
I would have to say that given his age it would have to have been someone between AC2 and before Revelations.

Ezio has not produced Desmond's ancestor by the end of Brotherhood. As soon as Ezio procreates and the female he procreates with becomes impregnated, we can no longer follow Ezio's memories. This is how we will know when it happens and who it happens with. I suspect that's how Revelations will close out -- Ezio will have a scene with a girl and it will fade out from that point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't know that. I kind of figured we would find out in Revelations who Ezio had a child with but I didn't know that at that point you could no longer follow Ezio's memories.

Cpt_Yanni
05-11-2011, 07:27 AM
The Game Informer says that the Sofia-girl is an immigrant from Venice who wants to sell books in Constantinople.

Razrback16
05-11-2011, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by Cpt_Yanni:
The Game Informer says that the Sofia-girl is an immigrant from Venice who wants to sell books in Constantinople.

Definitely a possibility. Can't wait for the next game! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

robertjstanley
07-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Ezio "got with" lots of girls in his lifetime, there could've been a girl from before assassin's creed 2 or something. For all we know, he already had a son or two.

robertjstanley
07-01-2011, 03:15 PM
His son/ daughter may even be one of Caterina's children conceived after or even during AC2. Keep in mind though, this had to have been done before Caterina Sforza dies of pneumonia in 1509

an-assassin
07-02-2011, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by robertjstanley:
His son/ daughter may even be one of Caterina's children conceived after or even during AC2. Keep in mind though, this had to have been done before Caterina Sforza dies of pneumonia in 1509

The game (ACR) is in 1511, so it is impossible that Catarina is the mother of the son (or daughter if UBI explains the "womens eggs are made at birth" thing.) that carries Ezios bloodline.

I cant see the problem with Sofia though.

kriegerdesgottes
07-02-2011, 03:17 PM
I don't think there is much of a question anymore as to who it is. I think it's pretty much clear at this point it'll be Sophia unless they try to twist the story to throw us off. He's 52 years old. We know that he likes Sophia but is afraid of telling her about his assassin ways and you know at the end she'll prob accept him and make assassin babies. There is no way it's Caterina Sforza being that I believe she died in 1512 and is also a historical person.

sassinscreed
07-02-2011, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by zeusgamer00:
i'd have to go with Cristina Vespucci, his love interest before the execution of his family.


**********SPOILER WARNING!!!(she is dead)

rafael52
07-02-2011, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
There is no way it's Caterina Sforza being that I believe she died in 1512 and is also a historical person.

Well they said that templars rewrote the history so they can change things...However the thing is that they have her death date on assassin's wiki....

beatledude210
07-02-2011, 09:03 PM
Probably the Sophia Sorto girl mentioned earlier.

masterfenix2009
07-03-2011, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by rafael52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kriegerdesgotte:
There is no way it's Caterina Sforza being that I believe she died in 1512 and is also a historical person.

Well they said that templars rewrote the history so they can change things...However the thing is that they have her death date on assassin's wiki.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Not everything on the wiki is true, but it usually is good. But why would the templars want to change her death date

EmmaBemma
07-03-2011, 06:39 AM
It's quite amazing (and hilarious) how many times the 'Well, how do we know he hasn't already fathered Desmond's ancestor?" line comes up in these threads.

Ezio may well have fathered, unbeknown to him, children, but we can be very sure that none of them are the ancestor of Desmond.

Sofia seems like a good bet. I feel like it cannot be left too much longer. Even though Ezio could technically father a child till his deathday, the mother can realistically be no older than mid-to-late forties (and that's really pushing it, considering the time period we're talking about, and the complications that can arise from older pregnancies), and there will come a point when it goes from sexy to off-putting.

blazefp
07-04-2011, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Piflik:
The game ends in 1507, Caterina died 1509..there are still two years time and you'll not need more than 9 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It wasn't Caterina. Either that or we could follow Ezio's life after at most 1509. ACR begins in 1511 so he only had a child after that time. Lucrezia is actually well thought

Razrback16
07-05-2011, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by blazefp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Piflik:
The game ends in 1507, Caterina died 1509..there are still two years time and you'll not need more than 9 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It wasn't Caterina. Either that or we could follow Ezio's life after at most 1509. ACR begins in 1511 so he only had a child after that time. Lucrezia is actually well thought </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I was really fond of the Lucrezia ideas, but given that Sofia Sorto is being introduced just to be Ezio's love interest, I would imagine Lucrezia as a possibility is no more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

albertwesker22
07-05-2011, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blazefp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Piflik:
The game ends in 1507, Caterina died 1509..there are still two years time and you'll not need more than 9 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It wasn't Caterina. Either that or we could follow Ezio's life after at most 1509. ACR begins in 1511 so he only had a child after that time. Lucrezia is actually well thought </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I was really fond of the Lucrezia ideas, but given that Sofia Sorto is being introduced just to be Ezio's love interest, I would imagine Lucrezia as a possibility is no more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I doubt it. Lucrezia had children with whoever it was, something D'este? Lucrezia already has an "Assassin child" anyway.

I would stake my manhood on it being Sofia Sorto http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AssassinBlaze
07-05-2011, 02:17 PM
48 isn't old most people are totally fit and healthy at that age and usually start getting old at 60 I dont know why people are saying Ezio is old especially with his life he isn't exactly lazy I mean he gets enough exercise.

TheAssassin1480
07-21-2011, 05:28 PM
im sort of hoping it continues with Rosa although nothing was said about Ezio and Rosa ever doing anything sexually, but i guess its possible. Caterina also has a good chance at continuing it because of obvious reasons near the beginning of Brotherhood. Unfortunatly Cristina died so she couldnt be the one(unless she had his child before her death but thats unlikely). it sorta sucks though becuase i thought it wouldve been good if Cristina was the one.

Jax3rLax3r96
07-21-2011, 08:25 PM
Oh my lord. Do none of you read game informer? In issue 218 (acr cover) it says there will be a woman named sofia sorto, who is ezio's "love intrest". She is based off Albrecht Durer's painting, portrait of a young venetian woman. Its not christina for obvious reasons, and if you want to go look it up its on page 43. Get it at gamestop or something, im sure they have some extra copies.

LightRey
07-21-2011, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Jax3rLax3r96:
Oh my lord. Do none of you read game informer? In issue 218 (acr cover) it says there will be a woman named sofia sorto, who is ezio's "love intrest". She is based off Albrecht Durer's painting, portrait of a young venetian woman. Its not christina for obvious reasons, and if you want to go look it up its on page 43. Get it at gamestop or something, im sure they have some extra copies.
lol. you just pwned like 5-10 people on ur first post.

xCr0wnedNorris
07-21-2011, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jax3rLax3r96:
Oh my lord. Do none of you read game informer? In issue 218 (acr cover) it says there will be a woman named sofia sorto, who is ezio's "love intrest". She is based off Albrecht Durer's painting, portrait of a young venetian woman. Its not christina for obvious reasons, and if you want to go look it up its on page 43. Get it at gamestop or something, im sure they have some extra copies.
lol. you just pwned like 5-10 people on ur first post. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Indeed... Welcome to the Forums? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Razrback16
07-26-2011, 05:59 AM
Yeah and if you check out the trailer for the upcoming animated short story on Ezio the female he's depicted with is the spitting image of Sofia Sorto's picture in the game informer magazine. So it will almost assuredly be Sofia.

I wonder if Lucrezia will make a cameo appearance in Revelations. I loved her character in Brotherhood -- she really made the storylines interesting.

johke13
07-27-2011, 04:16 PM
Sofia Sorto is official I think.

LightRey
07-27-2011, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
Yeah and if you check out the trailer for the upcoming animated short story on Ezio the female he's depicted with is the spitting image of Sofia Sorto's picture in the game informer magazine. So it will almost assuredly be Sofia.

I wonder if Lucrezia will make a cameo appearance in Revelations. I loved her character in Brotherhood -- she really made the storylines interesting.
I doubt she'll come anywhere near either Constantinople or Masyaf. She probably doesn't even want to be associated with the Templars anymore.

HD RoLoS v
07-28-2011, 01:33 AM
We all know its sofia and he has a son and a daughter. His son is called Marcello and his daughter is called Flavia.

TheAssassin1480
08-01-2011, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Assassinubi1:
We all know its sofia and he has a son and a daughter. His son is called Marcello and his daughter is called Flavia.

just wondering here, but where did you find that? lol was it on a website or something? haha

Calvarok
08-01-2011, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by TheAssassin1480:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Assassinubi1:
We all know its sofia and he has a son and a daughter. His son is called Marcello and his daughter is called Flavia.

just wondering here, but where did you find that? lol was it on a website or something? haha </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Comic-con interviews

HD RoLoS v
08-02-2011, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by TheAssassin1480:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Assassinubi1:
We all know its sofia and he has a son and a daughter. His son is called Marcello and his daughter is called Flavia.

just wondering here, but where did you find that? lol was it on a website or something? haha </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Assassins creed wiki

Avva Mapia
10-29-2011, 01:41 AM
I just hope that Sofia chick shows some balls like Christina and Catherina.