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bhunter2112
07-15-2007, 05:27 PM
for combat flight?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070715/D8QD61V80.html

I guess we can dogfight other bots. If anyone can get something into the air?

leitmotiv
07-15-2007, 05:38 PM
Good-bye Top Gun, heh heh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-9_Reaper

WhtBoy
07-15-2007, 07:32 PM
Anyone else notice that the predator pilot in the picutre was a woman? I would love to be married to a chick that, when she got home and I asked her, "Hey babe, kill any bad guys at work today?", could answer, "Yep."

My current wife hardly ever kills anyone at work these days.

--Outlaw.

leitmotiv
07-15-2007, 07:50 PM
Bye bye Maverick (won't need the joystick babes either---the future is autonomous)

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_UAV_X-47B_Desert_Illumination_Attack_lg.jpg

slo_1_2_3
07-15-2007, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by WhtBoy:
Anyone else notice that the predator pilot in the picutre was a woman? I would love to be married to a chick that, when she got home and I asked her, "Hey babe, kill any bad guys at work today?", could answer, "Yep."

My current wife hardly ever kills anyone at work these days.

--Outlaw.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

waffen-79
07-16-2007, 04:57 AM
the END began when they introduced the side-mounted stick on cockpits BE SURE!

Airmail109
07-16-2007, 05:07 AM
The future is no where near autonomous yet, those things crash 100 times more often than manned or remotely piloted aircraft.

Secondly they're going to be ******ed in any quick thinking situation for the next 50 years.

Then also...one word....Hacker.

Imagine how pzwned any airforce would be if it relied on autonomous or remotely operated UAVs, which have no REAL autonomy or independence like a manned arcraft...If it got hacked.

In this world of electronic warfare, machines that are still directly operated by humans indpendant of any possible hacking by 3rd parties will still have their place.

This whole UAV is the future thing is a stupid idea, its much like the idea of turret fighters in WWII. Great on paper, but will get owned in any real war.

Any country could pretty much own a first world heavily electronic military, if it put its resources to training legions of hackers and electronic warfare specialists. If a big war ever breaks out, people will be relying on radios and enigma machines again.

There is also a new G suit being developed in Switzerland, which allows a pilot to pull 13Gs.

Friendly_flyer
07-16-2007, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
the END began when they introduced the side-mounted stick on cockpits BE SURE!

A truer word was never spoken!

Airmail109
07-16-2007, 05:16 AM
And also, Im betting we'll be able to modify human bodies to take more than 13gs, before UAVs make manned vehicles obsolete.

leitmotiv
07-16-2007, 05:37 AM
What will make UAVs indispensible will be the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The West has clearly demonstrated its refusal to accept casualties without a huge political price---a price no government will likely be willing to pay again. The Army is busily working on robotics. The Navy loves the UAV bomber because it solves the problem of the carrier-borne strike aircraft since WWII---a range of little more than 200 miles from the carrier---tops. The naval UAV bomber promises to give the carriers a strategic reach. The UAV is here to stay for a number of reasons. Probably the biggest will be: no more Hanoi Hiltons and U.S. policy held hostage to captured airmen.

K_Freddie
07-16-2007, 06:03 AM
Here come the electromagnetic impulse bombs... Gee a few gazillion $s of tax payers money down the tubes, on war toys. More people today die from other causes, oddly enough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

na85
07-16-2007, 09:27 AM
Obviously the UAV will not replace manned aircraft, but you'll notice the guy in the article said that UAV's complement manned a/c very nicely.

Ernst_Rohr
07-16-2007, 09:32 AM
Military and political doctrine is pretty much set on the fact that there HAS to be a human in the decision chain before a weapon can be fired.

All of the above reasons are why, and there is a fair amount of institutional paranoia about how autonomous any remote unit is allowed to be.

LStarosta
07-16-2007, 09:37 AM
Ask any real military aviator what he thinks of predators or other UAVs...

rhinomonkey
07-16-2007, 09:37 AM
US with robot aircraft? sorry but thats got "freidly fire" written all over it!

berg417448
07-16-2007, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by rhinomonkey:
US with robot aircraft? sorry but thats got "freidly fire" written all over it!

Hmmm...I wonder....considering the fact that throughout history "friendly fire" has most often been the result of human decisions and human error rather than technical faults

huggy87
07-16-2007, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Ask any real military aviator what he thinks of predators or other UAVs...

I think they have a usefulness, even though I would never want to fly one.

They have a lot of potential against fixed targets in high risk areas. If you want to go against an airfield guarded by multiple SA-20s, by all means send the UAVs.

For close air support, self escort strikes, and air superiority there is no way they can match the capabilities of a piloted aircraft.

Crash_Moses
07-16-2007, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by WhtBoy:
Anyone else notice that the predator pilot in the picutre was a woman? I would love to be married to a chick that, when she got home and I asked her, "Hey babe, kill any bad guys at work today?", could answer, "Yep."

My current wife hardly ever kills anyone at work these days.

--Outlaw.

Heck, I'd be happy with one that just liked to play flight sims...

JG53Frankyboy
07-16-2007, 11:52 AM
lets hope we will never be attacked by the Cylons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bhunter2112
07-16-2007, 12:05 PM
wow... talk about wanting to hold onto the past.
Basically my opinion is that "robots" can do many things faster and better then people. The US military is headed in this direction that cannot be argued. Once these bots are meshed with "swarm" programming they will be unstoppable. No human will be able to out think 20 bots on his six anticipating every possible move. Checkmate. Could a chess master beat Deep Blue? How about 20 Deep Blue's ? You can only make so many moves till you are out of moves. These things will be rolled off the production line. How much for the enemy to produce an ace?
I am sure that they are working on protection from "hacking".

MEGILE
07-16-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
lets hope we will never be attacked by the Cylons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't mind the blonde ones

Airmail109
07-16-2007, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
wow... talk about wanting to hold onto the past.
Basically my opinion is that "robots" can do many things faster and better then people. The US military is headed in this direction that cannot be argued. Once these bots are meshed with "swarm" programming they will be unstoppable. No human will be able to out think 20 bots on his six anticipating every possible move. Checkmate. Could a chess master beat Deep Blue? How about 20 Deep Blue's ? You can only make so many moves till you are out of moves. These things will be rolled off the production line. How much for the enemy to produce an ace?
I am sure that they are working on protection from "hacking".

Anything can be hacked by spotty teenagers with a laptop

I mean it.

Spend billions on hacker protection, and your guaranteed at some point some kid with 2000 dollars of equipment and an iq of 180 will crack it.

The best protection is to train your force to be able to fight effectively without tonnes of techno stuff. Coding AI in games as well, is FAR easier than coding it to fly and fight in a real UAV.

Can you honestly see UAVs doing armed recon missions autonomausly...I cant for the next 100 years...and If they get to that stage...Humanities BONED.

Enhancing human abilities, is much more to my liking.

Swams of UAVs are no real problem to deal with, its called BVR with a laser weapon.

waffen-79
07-16-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
lets hope we will never be attacked by the Cylons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't mind the blonde ones </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL I hear ya mate!

MEGILE
07-16-2007, 01:00 PM
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1606/00000350232006102105035kk9.jpg

She can turn my brain to Jellow any day.

LEBillfish
07-16-2007, 01:04 PM
KEWL!.....Target Drones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LStarosta
07-16-2007, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1606/00000350232006102105035kk9.jpg

She can turn my brain to Jellow any day.

You misspelled "Jello".

Korolov1986
07-16-2007, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
wow... talk about wanting to hold onto the past.
Basically my opinion is that "robots" can do many things faster and better then people. The US military is headed in this direction that cannot be argued. Once these bots are meshed with "swarm" programming they will be unstoppable. No human will be able to out think 20 bots on his six anticipating every possible move. Checkmate. Could a chess master beat Deep Blue? How about 20 Deep Blue's ? You can only make so many moves till you are out of moves. These things will be rolled off the production line. How much for the enemy to produce an ace?
I am sure that they are working on protection from "hacking".

With current technology? No.

With future technology? Maybe.

Keep this in mind when speaking of the 'new wave':

They said guns were obsolete after guided missiles showed up. Boy, were they wrong.

They said satellites made real-time recon aircraft obsolete. Bzzt! Wrong too.

They said the best fighter would be one that could fly faster, farther, and higher than preceding fighters. Wrong again.

The fact is that you can never be too sure. Until machines can parallel the exact randomness of thought and variables that a human mind goes through, there will be no way they can compete - autonomously - through the most dangerous game mankind has ever known. Only when we start to create things like neural networks will they be able to parallel us on any equal terms.

MEGILE
07-16-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:


You misspelled "Jello".

n1gga plz!

M_Gunz
07-16-2007, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by WhtBoy:
Anyone else notice that the predator pilot in the picutre was a woman? I would love to be married to a chick that, when she got home and I asked her, "Hey babe, kill any bad guys at work today?", could answer, "Yep."

My current wife hardly ever kills anyone at work these days.

--Outlaw.

The hard part is finding places to hide the bodies.

leitmotiv
07-16-2007, 02:58 PM
The new wave is joint forces of UAVs and manned aircraft. That is how the USAF strategic/operational/tactical planners are gaming the air battle of the future. Combined arms of the air (Military Channel documentary on UAV bombers).