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jugent
03-31-2005, 01:48 AM
I think that the introduction of Pacific Fighter has improved this game.
There is a fairly balance between early Japaneese and American fighters.
The F4F is a B&Z aircraft, fast in dive, hard to curve, good guns, a little higher topspeed and take a lot of punishment.
The Zero is agile a little slower and very week.
The P40 is as the Zero but not so good in curving.
The P-39 unfortunatly has the legacy of Forgotten Battles is a little "uber".
The characteristics of the F4F vs early Zero is what I expected of Spit vs FW-190 or Yak/Lagg vs FW-190. But the FW is a little to puny and the guns are not so potent.
How about that

S 8
03-31-2005, 08:38 AM
Thought I was going to read something about MIG 29,but no... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

EJGr.Ost_chamel
03-31-2005, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the introduction of Pacific Fighter has improved this game.
There is a fairly balance ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uuuuh oooooh, the ugly b word!
Yes the planes you mention are balanced now, but according to most sources, the early zeroes should be clearly faster than F4F3 and F4F4 . But this would probably not be a wise move from a marketing point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Greetings
Chamel

Capt_Haddock
03-31-2005, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGr.Ost_chamel:

... according to most sources, the early zeroes should be clearly faster than F4F3 and F4F4 . But this would probably not be a wise move from a marketing point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So true... These days it's all about marketing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

LilHorse
03-31-2005, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGr.Ost_chamel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the introduction of Pacific Fighter has improved this game.
There is a fairly balance ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uuuuh oooooh, the ugly b word!
Yes the planes you mention are balanced now, but according to most sources, the early zeroes should be clearly faster than F4F3 and F4F4 . But this would probably not be a wise move from a marketing point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Greetings
Chamel <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to Bill Gunston's Fighting Aircraft Of World War II the F4F-3 and F4F-4 are pretty equal in level speed to the A6M2 and A6M3. It's only when the A6M5 comes out that it has a 20mph advantage.

FI-Aflak
03-31-2005, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGr.Ost_chamel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the introduction of Pacific Fighter has improved this game.
There is a fairly balance ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uuuuh oooooh, the ugly b word!
Yes the planes you mention are balanced now, but according to most sources, the early zeroes should be clearly faster than F4F3 and F4F4 . But this would probably not be a wise move from a marketing point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Greetings
Chamel <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to Bill Gunston's Fighting Aircraft Of World War II the F4F-3 and F4F-4 are pretty equal in level speed to the A6M2 and A6M3. It's only when the A6M5 comes out that it has a 20mph advantage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the M5 is tough, it doesn't fall apart like the others, and its a quick little bugger.

LilHorse
04-01-2005, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI-Aflak:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGr.Ost_chamel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the introduction of Pacific Fighter has improved this game.
There is a fairly balance ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uuuuh oooooh, the ugly b word!
Yes the planes you mention are balanced now, but according to most sources, the early zeroes should be clearly faster than F4F3 and F4F4 . But this would probably not be a wise move from a marketing point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Greetings
Chamel <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to Bill Gunston's Fighting Aircraft Of World War II the F4F-3 and F4F-4 are pretty equal in level speed to the A6M2 and A6M3. It's only when the A6M5 comes out that it has a 20mph advantage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the M5 is tough, it doesn't fall apart like the others, and its a quick little bugger. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the M5 and later variants were structurally beefed up since the same source I list above rates the M5 max speed at what had been the earlier models max dive limit (about 350mph). Though I'd still think that pushing a M5 much past that speed (IRL that is) would be a dicey proposition. IIRC the large control surfaces that were such an advantage to the Zero at slower speeds hampered it's manuverability at higher speeds that were more in the optimal manuvering envelope of U.S. fighters. And I'm sure that no Zero would hold together structurally as they approached 400mph.

jugent
04-02-2005, 01:41 AM
But the focal point is
PF is more balanced than FB.
No single plane have it all in PF. No plane is faster together with climb-better, better curving, more hit and damage potentional in guns and can take more damage.
What plane you give all theese sometimes incompatible characteristics unless you install a afterburner jet engine, is up to you.

VW-IceFire
04-02-2005, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI-Aflak:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LilHorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EJGr.Ost_chamel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
I think that the introduction of Pacific Fighter has improved this game.
There is a fairly balance ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uuuuh oooooh, the ugly b word!
Yes the planes you mention are balanced now, but according to most sources, the early zeroes should be clearly faster than F4F3 and F4F4 . But this would probably not be a wise move from a marketing point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Greetings
Chamel <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to Bill Gunston's Fighting Aircraft Of World War II the F4F-3 and F4F-4 are pretty equal in level speed to the A6M2 and A6M3. It's only when the A6M5 comes out that it has a 20mph advantage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the M5 is tough, it doesn't fall apart like the others, and its a quick little bugger. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the M5 and later variants were structurally beefed up since the same source I list above rates the M5 max speed at what had been the earlier models max dive limit (about 350mph). Though I'd still think that pushing a M5 much past that speed (IRL that is) would be a dicey proposition. IIRC the large control surfaces that were such an advantage to the Zero at slower speeds hampered it's manuverability at higher speeds that were more in the optimal manuvering envelope of U.S. fighters. And I'm sure that no Zero would hold together structurally as they approached 400mph. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
M5 was a huge improvement from what I've read. Improved protection, shorter wings for storgage and slight roll rate improvements, control improvements, faster top speed and more powerful engine.

Counter balanced by the American pilot training and with the Hellcat and Corsair being so much more durable.