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lapiii2007
08-22-2007, 01:45 PM
When & why?

T_O_A_D
08-22-2007, 02:37 PM
The mirror, and over my shoulder.

Why becasue thats where all the actions at, it appears. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Scharnhorst1943
08-22-2007, 02:53 PM
I fly alot from the outside of my plane. However, I have odd tastes. Sometimes I just like to adore the profile of my Bf-109 while in transite http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif, Whenever I dogfight, I always fly in the cockpit with the cockpit on, but if I am doing a ground attack, I usually do most of my flying outside, mainly because I like to watch s***t get blown up. For some reason it gives me personal sitisfaction watching my opponent being blown into hell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

spacefrogs
08-22-2007, 02:57 PM
Cockpit always on...... it´s the best!!

Stew278
08-22-2007, 02:58 PM
Wide FOV for flying- it lets me see the instruments and the most sky at once.

Gunsight and narrow FOV for shooting- helps see where the shots are going and helps me pick out the markings to make sure I'm not shooting at a friendly.

I have a joystick button set to toggle wide/narrow FOV so I can switch between the two easily.

Since getting TrackIR I don't use the padlock views because that would defeat the purpose of having it. I also don't like cockpit off views because it gets confusing and I lose track of which direction I'm looking.

I use the external view (F2) when I want to look at my bomb damage (I know it's cheating) and for screenshots and when I just want to look at how cool my airplane looks.

gdfo
08-22-2007, 02:59 PM
'odd tastes' do you mean white wine with steak?
or putting your shoes on and then your socks?

slipBall
08-22-2007, 03:40 PM
I enjoy the bail out view alot of time's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

x6BL_Brando
08-22-2007, 03:53 PM
I have them all jammed onto the top of my fighterstick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Shift+F1
Incremental view magnification in & out (using Shift button to control direction))
Wide, cockpit & gunsight views toggle switch
Externals and fly-past.
Padlock enemy ground.
TrackIR centring
ditto Precision mode toggle

an' I'm still cr@p http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

B

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Views I have set on my X-52: Shift+F1, toggle FOV, and my TIR center and pause switches.

S!

stalkervision
08-22-2007, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
I enjoy the bail out view alot of time's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

You mean "the parachute view.." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lurch1962
08-22-2007, 05:02 PM
The important ones...

Pan View on the TQS's mini-joystick. I've set the rate to be variable, depending on how far the little stick's deflected, from quite slow to rather fast. I like this more than snap views.

Macro to "smoothly" zoom in/out on the TQS's index finger 4-way switch. I used to use just three FOV's; widest, normal and fully zoomed in. But now with the "smooth" zoom method, which rapidly runs through all FOV values, the effect is much more pleasing. I still have a button mapped with the normal FOV, but almost always fly at the widest, and often times zoom right in to aim/fire.

Internal and external Padlock for both air and ground targets on the Fighterstick. And, very important, InstantViewForwardWithPadlock (to glance forward while padlocked so as to maintain sense of my plane's attitude).

Cockpit on/off toggle.

--Lurch--

Choctaw111
08-22-2007, 05:20 PM
I fly with c0ckpit always on. The only views I use are the Toggle Gunsight which I have mapped to my Fighterstick, and sometimes I use the decrease field of view to "Zoom" in on some of my instruments to read them, but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

p-11.cAce
08-22-2007, 05:27 PM
I fly with c0ckpit always on. The only views I use are the Toggle Gunsight which I have mapped to my Fighterstick, and sometimes I use the decrease field of view to "Zoom" in on some of my instruments to read them, but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

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FritzGryphon
08-22-2007, 05:30 PM
F6 view until I get a shot, then it's WWV.

Lurch1962
08-22-2007, 06:29 PM
but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

If you have your monitor placed at a typical viewing distance, its angular width is somewhere near 25 degrees. Therefore the smallest FOV (30 degrees) is actually about true-to-life size. It seems to be so magnified because you're not seeing more than the tunnel-like view your screen provides.

So zooming in is not cheating. In fact, staying zoomed out (assuming you fly 'n fight at a FOV of 90 degrees) is handicapping yourself with a pixellated, 1/3 normal size view.

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-22-2007, 07:08 PM
but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

Its not really a "zoom" or at least its not intended to be. Its to simulate a smaller more focused field of view. Rather you choose to use it is entirely up to you with out doubt. But its only unfair if you were the only one capable of doing it. We all know this is not the case, as I use it all the time and you are actually the very first person I know of to say they do not.

S!

Choctaw111
08-22-2007, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

Its not really a "zoom" or at least its not intended to be. Its to simulate a smaller more focused field of view. Rather you choose to use it is entirely up to you with out doubt. But its only unfair if you were the only one capable of doing it. We all know this is not the case, as I use it all the time and you are actually the very first person I know of to say they do not.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When using the zoom key, it seems like using a pair of binoculars to ID distant targets. They are magnified when using the zoom key. I guess that is why I never got into the habit of doing it. I do understand that anyone can do it, even on FR servers, but again, it is just something I don't do.

R_Target
08-22-2007, 08:59 PM
On the Combatstick I have: toggle gunsight on the little button next to the trigger; toggle FOV on the thumb button; and zoom in/zoom out on the side-to-side axis of the four way hat. I've gotten used to TIR4 now, so I just use the key to center once or twice a mission.

K_Freddie
08-23-2007, 07:11 AM
Full CPit and snap views. Cannot use TIR (never sit still) so snap is the next best to RL.
This and plenty of 3D-SA gets me through.
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csthopper
08-23-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

Its not really a "zoom" or at least its not intended to be. Its to simulate a smaller more focused field of view. Rather you choose to use it is entirely up to you with out doubt. But its only unfair if you were the only one capable of doing it. We all know this is not the case, as I use it all the time and you are actually the very first person I know of to say they do not.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I call it squinting. Its only useful while you're approaching a target and becomes useless once you engage. I think its the same as if you were really squinting at an object.

SeaFireLIV
08-23-2007, 10:53 AM
I stay in cockpit, but use every view in it (I believe there are 6).

I don`t do WW view, and if I tried, it would do more to get me shot down than actually find and evade my pusuer! Nothing more disconcerting than flying without a floor or wings either side of you!

crucislancer
08-23-2007, 10:56 AM
Snap views on the hat switch, and I leave the cockpit on. I only zoom into gunsight view when I'm ready to shoot, the next one back when I'm giving chase, and all the way back when I'm crusing, using Shift F1 so I can get furthest back. Really helpful in the Tempest so I don't have to look down to see all the instruments.

I've been trying to limit my outside viewing lately, so I can get used to it for when I brave a full switch server. I have a tendancy to use it when flying ground attack mission to help me identify the enemy. I'm getting better, though.

John_Pimlott
08-23-2007, 11:03 AM
I use TrackIr in the cockpit. I started out in the cockpit when the series first began (also in CFS) and after a while tried without the cockpit, but I felt disorientated and quickly went back to cockpit. It just seems easiest to me. Don't have any feelings as to what is right or wrong for others though.
Best regards.
John.

Ratsack
08-23-2007, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but NEVER to zoom in on targets. That kind of seems unfair to me, so I never do it.

Its not really a "zoom" or at least its not intended to be. Its to simulate a smaller more focused field of view. Rather you choose to use it is entirely up to you with out doubt. But its only unfair if you were the only one capable of doing it. We all know this is not the case, as I use it all the time and you are actually the very first person I know of to say they do not.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When using the zoom key, it seems like using a pair of binoculars to ID distant targets. They are magnified when using the zoom key. I guess that is why I never got into the habit of doing it. I do understand that anyone can do it, even on FR servers, but again, it is just something I don't do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand Oleg has said the zoomed in view is meant to approximate the detail and resolution of human vision. Limitations of current processor and monitor technology mean that it can't be used with a normal field of view.

cheers,
Ratsack

Quenaelin
08-24-2007, 02:33 AM
I use all views possible and I also use gunsight zoomed view, this is most realistic view you can get when behind sights, becouse in IL-2 you can't move your seat position. Alt-F1 doesn't work?

x6BL_Brando
08-24-2007, 04:24 AM
On the whole I think the vision part has been done well given the limitations of the game. To me, the incremental 'zoom' function is about focus and peripheral vision and represents that in a good way. I agree that " this is (the) most realistic view you can get when behind sights " and I think the binoculars idea comes from the fact that we can go from wide-screen to gun-sight view so rapidly.

Bear in mind that the problem will always be the two-dimensional nature of the screen. 6DOF will sort out some of the issues but not all. Peripheral vision is not something that can be represented in 2D.
As Lurch said, " If you have your monitor placed at a typical viewing distance, its angular width is somewhere near 25 degrees. Therefore the smallest FOV (30 degrees) is actually about true-to-life size. It seems to be so magnified because you're not seeing more than the tunnel-like view your screen provides.

"Zooming" in & out - either through the ten increments or the 3x2 method - is just a way of offering a representation of peripheral vision and getting past the difficulties of reproducing the wonderful Mk1 eyeball.

Sturm_Williger
08-24-2007, 04:56 AM
When I started flying IL2 I used WW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Luckily when I joined a squad they smacked me on the wrist and made me fly with cockpit on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif - now I could never go back to WW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
On top of which, I have NO idea how you could fly WW with TrackIR - wouldn't have a clue where I was looking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Like most here, I use max zoom-out for flying and SA, with some use of Shift-F1 to look around cockpit bars. Max zoom Gunsight view for firing ( if there's time ).

I use the Midrange "Normal" Zoom for landing as I find it lets me gauge the distance to runway better.

I really like the telescopic sight on the Ki43 though as it uses the Shift-F1 to toggle on and off, so you can leave your primary view on wide view and toggle between it and the sight.