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Goliath.Ubi.Dev
03-06-2006, 04:16 PM
What it is however and how that will work is not being released at this time so you will have to wait for the official word.

So no more UBI isnt doing PC flame fests please.

kimi_
03-06-2006, 04:23 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Xessive
03-06-2006, 04:23 PM
Well, I'm keeping an eye out for its details. I'm very curious as to what direction Ubi has chosen to take.

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
What it is however and how that will work is not being released at this time so you will have to wait for the official word.


OK, now I am really CONFUSED...

It was said in the VEGAS thread that the "OFFICIAL" word was today.

I was asked (more like TOLD, but why split hairs) to wait until the "OFFICIAL" word.

I waited.

Now we are told that there will be ANOTHER "OFFICIAL" word and we have to wait until THEN!??

Would it be too out of line to ask when THAT Official OFFICIAL word might be??

DayGlow
03-06-2006, 04:27 PM
well it looks like in the post to Urban in his thread they can't say much because of esclusives, etc. So by the sounds of it a game mag or website has the esclusive deal to break the 'inside scoop' on the PC game. So if they have a business deal don't expect them to break it.

Malleus.
03-06-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Xessive:
Well, I'm keeping an eye out for its details. I'm very curious as to what direction Ubi has chosen to take.

Yup, same here.
Thanks Goliath for clearing that up btw.

Deosl
03-06-2006, 04:35 PM
Please give a warm & fuzzy R6 PC forum welcome to Goliath http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by DayGlow:
well it looks like in the post to Urban in his thread they can't say much because of esclusives, etc. So by the sounds of it a game mag or website has the esclusive deal to break the 'inside scoop' on the PC game. So if they have a business deal don't expect them to break it.

Would it be breaking the deal to say they have a deal? I am not being sarcastic here, DG. It's a sincere question.

Because the next best thing to hearing new news is at least hearing why we can't hear the new news.

GSG_9_Rage
03-06-2006, 04:38 PM
Please give a warm & fuzzy R6 PC forum welcome to Goliath http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

maybe he'll stick around this time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

welcome again! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Modien
03-06-2006, 04:38 PM
Hmm a PC version...i wonder how they will do this...a mission pack to lockdown or a whole new game? questions questions questions http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 04:38 PM
Thanx Goliath for clearing up that part of it.

I truly appreciate it, even if I came across initially as a beech... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DayGlow
03-06-2006, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DayGlow:
well it looks like in the post to Urban in his thread they can't say much because of esclusives, etc. So by the sounds of it a game mag or website has the esclusive deal to break the 'inside scoop' on the PC game. So if they have a business deal don't expect them to break it.

Would it be breaking the deal to say they have a deal? I am not being sarcastic here, DG. It's a sincere question.

Because the next best thing to hearing new news is at least hearing why we can't hear the new news. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well he posted this in Urban's thread


Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
The press release says there's PC and i am telling you there's PC. I don't know what else you are looking for as far as proof but that's all we have to offer at the moment, you are going to have to accept that.

Information will come when it is ready to be released, however there is always the matter of reviews and exclusivites so you will understand that not everything gets thrown on the forums right away.

Not to be preachy here, but patience.

you can draw your own conclusions from that post.

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Please give a warm & fuzzy R6 PC forum welcome to Goliath http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

maybe he'll stick around this time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

welcome again! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I certainly hope so! I shall do my part by not being sooo obnoxious.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by DayGlow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DayGlow:
well it looks like in the post to Urban in his thread they can't say much because of esclusives, etc. So by the sounds of it a game mag or website has the esclusive deal to break the 'inside scoop' on the PC game. So if they have a business deal don't expect them to break it.

Would it be breaking the deal to say they have a deal? I am not being sarcastic here, DG. It's a sincere question.

Because the next best thing to hearing new news is at least hearing why we can't hear the new news. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well he posted this in Urban's thread


Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
The press release says there's PC and i am telling you there's PC. I don't know what else you are looking for as far as proof but that's all we have to offer at the moment, you are going to have to accept that.

Information will come when it is ready to be released, however there is always the matter of reviews and exclusivites so you will understand that not everything gets thrown on the forums right away.

Not to be preachy here, but patience.

you can draw your own conclusions from that post. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, I saw that after I posted the question.

Way kewl.. I have no qualms about being patient when I see posts like this.

Again, thanx Goliath...

BigSM
03-06-2006, 04:48 PM
Well it's getting really official when we have a Vegas PC board to discuss.

sx_amazing
03-06-2006, 04:49 PM
I pray that Vegas will come out to be the Rainbow Six we hoped for and squash the whole concept of gamplay from LockDown.

DayGlow
03-06-2006, 04:50 PM
like I said before, it's about the individual devs personality about posting in the forums. Vegas it seems is a Ubi Montreal project, and Goliath has always been visible on the forums.

GSG_9_Rage
03-06-2006, 04:52 PM
before us PCers ran him off when the lockdown PC board was created http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

finger999
03-06-2006, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
What it is however and how that will work is not being released at this time so you will have to wait for the official word.

So no more UBI isnt doing PC flame fests please.

Cool now can you just clarify if thats going to be just another port or not.

finger999
03-06-2006, 04:57 PM
Or should I put it as its a port but its not a port. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by finger999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
What it is however and how that will work is not being released at this time so you will have to wait for the official word.

So no more UBI isnt doing PC flame fests please.

Cool now can you just clarify if thats going to be just another port or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He said he can't...

We shouldn't try to force him to be specific when being specific is exactly what he CAN'T be!

We have our word and let's be thankful for that.

finger999
03-06-2006, 04:59 PM
oh alrighty then.

Geiger
03-06-2006, 05:14 PM
We'll be developing the PC version specifically for the PC. As I've said, things are changing.

The feedback council will be very busy soon. No details yet, no dates yet.

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 05:18 PM
Woot Woot Woot!!!!

Thanx Geiger!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Darnit, we need a HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY Dance Emoticon.....

NaRc.op
03-06-2006, 05:31 PM
Thanks for the info Goliath and Geiger.

sx_amazing
03-06-2006, 05:35 PM
*does a back flip* This sounds promising! Don't let us down! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Malleus.
03-06-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Geiger:
We'll be developing the PC version specifically for the PC. As I've said, things are changing.

Whoa, good news so far. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Thanks!

Le Tigre
03-06-2006, 05:43 PM
Just so we have an idea of where it stands as of now, I am curiouse if development of the PC version has begun yet, or if it is just now starting. Im sure fans are more than willing to wait for a PC specific game. It would be nice to find out the status of it so far, if their is a status at this time.

Also *crossing fingers for a Redstorm PC version*

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by finger999:
Or should I put it as its a port but its not a port. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It sounds to me like they will follow the same methodology with VEGAS as they did with GR:AW.

Seperate Dev teams. Seperate Design teams.

I have to give credit where credit is due.
The community yelled loud and clear and UBI heard and complied.

There will probably be hiccups and potholes down the road, but dammit..

I have to say it..

UBI, ya done did good...

Vert22110
03-06-2006, 05:51 PM
Lets not jump the gun here...

Le Tigre
03-06-2006, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Geiger:
We'll be developing the PC version specifically for the PC. As I've said, things are changing.

The feedback council will be very busy soon. No details yet, no dates yet.

This is great to hear; makes me very happy.

I hope another thing that is changing is the way the PC community is handled in terms of media. GR2 was the start of very bad things in this department. Lock down was no better, and so far GRAW has been very lack luster compared to its counter parts. I hoping for the best this time around with Vegas.

Geiger
03-06-2006, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by finger999:
Or should I put it as its a port but its not a port. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It sounds to me like they will follow the same methodology with VEGAS as they did with GR:AW.

Seperate Dev teams. Seperate Design teams.

I have to give credit where credit is due.
The community yelled loud and clear and UBI heard and complied.

There will probably be hiccups and potholes down the road, but dammit..

I have to say it..

UBI, ya done did good... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sniper, one of the things that gets you in trouble is you translating things that are said which typically start with things like:

"What you're saying is" and "It sounds like to me" and ends in "(insert way off speculation or assumption)".

I said nothing about it following the GRAW model and I didn't say it wasn't, it isn't your place to translate my announcement. I'm the type to say what I mean, not what you think I mean.

Brettzies
03-06-2006, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
What it is however and how that will work is not being released at this time so you will have to wait for the official word.

So no more UBI isnt doing PC flame fests please.

It's pretty cool of you to say this. Most of the time we are left to "speculize." Which, will unfortunately continue for a while until we do hear something on it. Ah well, that's the way it goes.

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Geiger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by finger999:
Or should I put it as its a port but its not a port. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It sounds to me like they will follow the same methodology with VEGAS as they did with GR:AW.

Seperate Dev teams. Seperate Design teams.

I have to give credit where credit is due.
The community yelled loud and clear and UBI heard and complied.

There will probably be hiccups and potholes down the road, but dammit..

I have to say it..

UBI, ya done did good... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sniper, one of the things that gets you in trouble is you translating things that are said which typically start with things like:

"What you're saying is" and "It sounds like to me" and ends in "(insert way off speculation or assumption)".

I said nothing about it following the GRAW model and I didn't say it wasn't, it isn't your place to translate my announcement. I'm the type to say what I mean, not what you think I mean. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was simply giving my opinion on what you said. "It sounds to me" is exactly what it means. I posted what your post sounded like to me. And, since seperate Dev teams is what was special about the GR:AW project, it's natural that the comparison would be made.

If we are not allowed to give our opinions or our "takes" on things here, just say the word and I'll comply.

But, was such a public spectacle really necessary? Surely a word in private would have been more appropriate, considering the celebratory nature of the moment.

reggo
03-06-2006, 06:36 PM
Wonder if the ingredients to the success of the PC version would be:

1) RSE designs and develops the PC version ALONE,

2) RSE has in it's development team at least some of the guys who were there at the beginning. That is, those who were behind the first iterations of R6 and GR. That is, those who were sitting at the same table of Tom Clancy when they founded RSE and when they had their first meeting,

3) RSE has TOTAL independance and freedom over the content of it's PC version, that is, no advice or constraint from UBI thanks.

One can only dream, but what a dream... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

SODsniper
03-06-2006, 06:37 PM
Regardless, my apologies for taking perogatives I had no business taking..

I will make an extreme effort not to attempt translate what you say any more.

Malleus.
03-06-2006, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by reggo:
Wonder if the ingredients to the success of the PC version would be:

...

This would work as a recipe for them making a game we'd love, a game like the good old ones. As for commercial success ... well, I don't know...

finger999
03-06-2006, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Geiger:
We'll be developing the PC version specifically for the PC. As I've said, things are changing.

The feedback council will be very busy soon. No details yet, no dates yet.

Thanking you very much!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Now we just need clarification on tactical realism, back to the roots of r6 no PEC, no respawns hehe and that should do it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Thanks Goliath.Ubi.Dev Rainbow Six Game Designer and Geiger come back soon you hear, your posts are much preciated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

reggo
03-06-2006, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Malleus.:
As for commercial success ... well, I don't know...


Ahhhh... I really dislike this ugly 'commercial' word... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Time to go to bed (and dream)...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

TedSmith
03-06-2006, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Geiger:
We'll be developing the PC version specifically for the PC. As I've said, things are changing.

Sounds beautiful. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif *tear*

Goliath.Ubi.Dev
03-06-2006, 07:41 PM
Rainbow Six Vegas is currently being developped in Montreal by most of the people who created Rainbow six 3 and Black Arrow.

finger999
03-06-2006, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Rainbow Six Vegas is currently being developped in Montreal by most of the people who created Rainbow six 3 and Black Arrow.

More good news alright! keep it coming thanks goliath, your posts are encouraging.

Banshee_Wail
03-06-2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by SODsniper:
Woot Woot Woot!!!!

Thanx Geiger!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Darnit, we need a HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY Dance Emoticon.....

Hey Sniper how is this for a happy happy joy joy emoticon
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Homer_Jayee/Girlie.gif

jsonedecker
03-06-2006, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by reggo:

2) RSE has in it's development team at least some of the guys who were there at the beginning. That is, those who were behind the first iterations of R6 and GR. That is, those who were sitting at the same table of Tom Clancy when they founded RSE and when they had their first meeting,

One can only dream, but what a dream... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

I don't think that is going to happen. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

-John

Brettzies
03-06-2006, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by finger999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Rainbow Six Vegas is currently being developped in Montreal by most of the people who created Rainbow six 3 and Black Arrow.

More good news alright! keep it coming thanks goliath, your posts are encouraging. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is pretty encouraging. I'm sure it will be a good game for 360+. Will be interesting to see what happens on the PC side of things.

finger999
03-06-2006, 08:04 PM
http://www.kylewong.com/gifs/moving/baby.gif

Still good news they wont dear BS us this time surely!!!

Brettzies
03-06-2006, 08:07 PM
jsonedecker http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

How bout some model import/export tools for LD eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

sx_amazing
03-06-2006, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Rainbow Six Vegas is currently being developped in Montreal by most of the people who created Rainbow six 3 and Black Arrow.

Rainbow Six 3?? My prayers have been answered.
*tear* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I want to see what SoD Sniper has to say about this. lol

jsonedecker
03-06-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Brettzies:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">jsonedecker http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

How bout some model import/export tools for LD eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't look at me, I'm not with RSE anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TedSmith
03-06-2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by jsonedecker:
Don't look at me, I'm not with RSE anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No, but you just be damn sure to let us know when you're ready to release some info on what you folks at Blackfoot are working on.

There are lots of us that are waiting and watching from the shadows. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brettzies
03-06-2006, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by jsonedecker:
Don't look at me, I'm not with RSE anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif D4mn. Still looks like some version of .qob and .pob format too! Oh well. It was worth a shot. I thought maybe you went to the Ubi Montreal or something.

JulietHotel13
03-06-2006, 10:03 PM
just my opinion but i think Rainbow Six Vegas is going to be more of a military type game than a police/swat type scenario like rogue spear and the other games were... http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2625_9230_2_en.html ...i know i know these are xbox scetches and stuff but im pretty sure theyre going to be some what alike...the suits and helmets the rainbow team has on is more of a SFOD-D(Delta Force) special ops type gear...I know they are supposed to be made up of Special Forces units from round the world but in the original rainbow six games and even with raven shield and lockdown they looked like a normal police swat unit...looks like now they get a major upgrade...btw notice how they have helmets on...may not cover their identity but hell they have helmets...and these are just scetches...i think ubi has learned its mistakes from lockdown...which is quite excellent...do us proud with this one and we'll be damn proud to buy your products...well atleast i will be http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

sx_amazing
03-06-2006, 10:12 PM
cool screenshots. Lets hope for the best.

CaptBud420
03-06-2006, 11:02 PM
Not to toss fire into the well but come on now....
They cant even get a patch out for R6 LD when it needs one bad, yet they already have the kids at NooBeI working on a new game?

Get this one to work 1st then start R&D on a new game for **** sake. theres never more then 50 people on in the game lobby if so they are in empty servers.

They must have really screwed this game up if theres such a big problem getting a patch out IMO...

Xessive
03-06-2006, 11:13 PM
I'm an optimist, so I think they're probably sorting out the bugs and preparing a list of what to fix first (although it's pretty obvious the multiplayer needs to be the priority).

Coming back to the topic at hand: Ubi Montréal are most likely very aware of the general feedback on Lockdown. I anticipate that they will be very careful when designing the PC version of R6 Vegas. From my experience Ubi Montréal know what they're doing when it comes to PC (i.e. Raven Shield and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory), and they know what the PC gamer expects.

I'm still shocked at Redstorm for what they did with Lockdown. I always thought that if anyone could do R6 it's Redstorm.

JulietHotel13
03-06-2006, 11:15 PM
well what i was thinking is that ubisoft knows for sure that they screwed up with the last release they did...so theyre trying to erase all evidences of it and make a new game to redeem themselves i guess...which is most likely true...i dont blame them for doing that either as long as they they understand what we want... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Razors-3Dge
03-06-2006, 11:36 PM
I got the say this game is looking steller!! I cant help but notice that the images we have here looks like Ghost Recon Advanced Warfigher, maybe they are using the same engine. Anyway i really like how this game looks so far!!

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2625_en.html

TedSmith
03-07-2006, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by CaptBud420:
They cant even get a patch out for R6 LD when it needs one bad, yet they already have the kids at NooBeI working on a new game?

Try to grasp the concept of different development studios. RSE are the people who made Lockdown, and it will be they who patch it, or it will be no one.

UBI Montreal has likely never even seen the code for Lockdown and considering the fact that the game is set to ship in September, chances are they began development on Vegas not too long after development on Lockdown was started. I'd wager they've been at it for a anywhere between one and two years now.

DreamMarine
03-07-2006, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Geiger:
We'll be developing the PC version specifically for the PC. As I've said, things are changing.

The feedback council will be very busy soon. No details yet, no dates yet.


That's very, very, VERY good news! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am really looking forward to it. Thx!

DreamMarine

SODsniper
03-07-2006, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by Banshee_Wail:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper:
Woot Woot Woot!!!!

Thanx Geiger!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Darnit, we need a HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY Dance Emoticon.....

Hey Sniper how is this for a happy happy joy joy emoticon
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Homer_Jayee/Girlie.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That will definely work! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SODsniper
03-07-2006, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by sx_amazing:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goliath.Ubi.Dev:
Rainbow Six Vegas is currently being developped in Montreal by most of the people who created Rainbow six 3 and Black Arrow.

Rainbow Six 3?? My prayers have been answered.
*tear* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I want to see what SoD Sniper has to say about this. lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

MY enthusiasm is well documented!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And, if DeosL is right, and VEGAS will be using the UNREAL 3 Engine, I will definitely be in hog heaven.

suerus
03-07-2006, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by SODsniper:
[...]
And, if DeosL is right, and VEGAS will be using the UNREAL 3 Engine, I will definitely be in hog heaven.

Erm... you remember rvs? Early (unfinished) version of the Unreal 2 Engine -> bad performance, moderate netcode!

The name of the engine says nothing :P

However... i'm in upbeat mood - but so was i also before Lockdownhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

btw.: No reason to be glad about having the devs of "Rainbow Six 3". With R6:3 the console title is meant... so this aspect will concern the developement of the consoleversion of vegas and NOT our PC version.

drunk_stone
03-07-2006, 10:15 AM
how many copies did lockdown sell

TAW_Fang
03-07-2006, 12:04 PM
I don't know if this has already been posted before but does anybody else feel like we have been ripped off with Lockdown? I didn't hear anything about this Vegas game until a few days ago but it has obviously been in the works for a long time now if they're ready to release this fall. I would probably have been less angry if Ubi had sent some goon to my house who held a gun to my head and took $50 out of my wallet than having been lead by the nose to the ****-pool that is R6:LD when they had a totally DIFFERENT game in development this whole time and didn't tell us about it. Now, if there has been news about Vegas out this whole time when I take back all that I just said and will eat crow...

DayGlow
03-07-2006, 12:56 PM
I don't know, I assumed something was in the works as I couldn't see Ubi not bringing it's most important franchises to the console. Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell games were already announced, it was only a matter of time before the Rainbow6 one would be as well.

WhiteKnight77
03-07-2006, 02:06 PM
<--- waves to John. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Have you been lurking around here for awhile or what?

jsonedecker
03-07-2006, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<--- waves to John. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Have you been lurking around here for awhile or what?

Yeah, I finaly gave in and signed up to post. I've been here for a while though.

WhiteKnight77
03-07-2006, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by jsonedecker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<--- waves to John. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Have you been lurking around here for awhile or what?

Yeah, I finaly gave in and signed up to post. I've been here for a while though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jsonedecker
03-07-2006, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jsonedecker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<--- waves to John. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Have you been lurking around here for awhile or what?

Yeah, I finaly gave in and signed up to post. I've been here for a while though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know how I roll... always interested to see what's going on.

Yen Lo
03-07-2006, 05:34 PM
Thank god a Pro is finally here, SAVE US!!!!!

Paalix14
03-07-2006, 06:01 PM
I hope you can change team members like the other games, not have to hear: Chavez you will be taking Price, Raymond and so on.

I dont like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

And i also hope you can have 8 members with you on the mission

Xessive
03-08-2006, 12:47 AM
I liked the way you chose who to take with you on a mission in all the previous R6 games. And that if someone was incapacitated or dead they were unavailable for the next mission or gone.

I don't understand Stuart White when he said that not having that choice puts you in the shoes of the leader of R6. A big part of leadership is being able to pick the right man for the job!

TexasRanger_562
03-08-2006, 01:06 AM
Hey, I am so encouraged by the screenshots. The graphics are awesome and very realistic. Hopefully the weapon sounds, recoils, controls, damage will be realistic as well. And teammates who don't frag themselves would help a lot too.

Hawkene
03-08-2006, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by Xessive:
I liked the way you chose who to take with you on a mission in all the previous R6 games. And that if someone was incapacitated or dead they were unavailable for the next mission or gone.

I don't understand Stuart White when he said that not having that choice puts you in the shoes of the leader of R6. A big part of leadership is being able to pick the right man for the job!

Could not agree more!

If you can choose you can make your own leader. Like my leader was Daniel Bogart or that norwegian dude Einar Pettersen or something. Cant remember his name. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

hope its not only a few operatives in this game too, because these R6 operatives are not some kind of robotcop stuff that can get shot and get a rpg rocket in their face every mission and still be nice and healhty for the next one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

DreamMarine
03-08-2006, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by TAW_Fang:
I don't know if this has already been posted before but does anybody else feel like we have been ripped off with Lockdown? I didn't hear anything about this Vegas game until a few days ago but it has obviously been in the works for a long time now if they're ready to release this fall. I would probably have been less angry if Ubi had sent some goon to my house who held a gun to my head and took $50 out of my wallet than having been lead by the nose to the ****-pool that is R6:LD when they had a totally DIFFERENT game in development this whole time and didn't tell us about it. Now, if there has been news about Vegas out this whole time when I take back all that I just said and will eat crow...

Look at it this way: LD is a kind of "standalone" game, NOT an R6 game! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Therefore, late this year UBI presents the next R6 game after RvS. They just got confused with the version numbers... with R6-4 missing! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DreamMarine

Xessive
03-08-2006, 02:16 AM
Hehe that's a nice way to think about it DreamMarine :P

I really wish the games was "Tom Clancy's Lockdown" and had nothing to do with R6. It would've been a much greater success.

SODsniper
03-08-2006, 04:43 AM
Ywa, it's easier to make it thru life if you just look at Lockdown as a "Sum Of All Fears" type game.

It's OK. Not really an RB6 game, so so fun in it's own right, but just a filler until the REAL RB6 game comes along.

Kurtz_
03-08-2006, 08:17 AM
Expectations may be racing on this new game, so I think you have to look at comparable games like Lockdown and GRAW to see what "tactical" means in newer games.

First, you will never see preplanning again because it is too complex, squad orders now are all "on the fly" and are implemented with waypoints, an order menu or the mouse cursor.

Character switching is done, games are all single character now, with remote squad control.

It will be a one squad game, with a squad of 3. You may be able to choose your operative and his load out, but that will be the extent of it.

The tactical potential may be enhanced with the use of a tac map to allow you to order your squad around the map, but, even that is questionable and depenedent on the developer.

Another more pressing issue is whether the maps will be more open, larger and allow mutiple access paths to objectives. Linear maps take away tactical options.

The main point I am making is that people should not expect to see a reincarnation of RVS in a next gen graphic engine because games have evolved beyond that type of game structure. You can call it dumbing down or an appeal to a wider gaming market, but, clearly, the new games are not going to support the features you saw in Ghost Recon or RVS.

KungFu_CIA
03-08-2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Kurtz_:

The main point I am making is that people should not expect to see a reincarnation of RVS in a next gen graphic engine because games have evolved beyond that type of game structure. You can call it dumbing down or an appeal to a wider gaming market, but, clearly, the new games are not going to support the features you saw in Ghost Recon or RVS.

I agree and disagree.

I agree because of the underlying approach to tactical games... Espcially, on consoles (current, or next-gen)... Is to simplify and dumb down things because the developers feel the majority of console players are 13-year olds with A.D.D. who can't deal with complex games like the original R6 which involve planning, multiple team management, etc.

However, I also disagree because, ironically, more and more console players DON'T fit the stereotype of the 13-year old with A.D.D. which the above model is based on.

More and more console players are, or will become, chronologically older adults (like myself) and/or are already gamers who are just more mature than the stereotyped 13-year olds and who WANT more complex games on the console as well.

The "excuse" use to be hardware limitations with current gen consoles -- Which is partially true depending on the game... But it was (is) an excuse because even the most complex games on the PC can be scaled down to accomodate lesser hardware (backwards compatible) from a technical stand point, let alone gameplay standpoint.

Case in point is R63 for the XBox.

This game is a paired down version of Raven Shield. The only difference is the maps (linear) and limiting the player to only one team as far as gameplay goes.

However, it uses the same engine and assets which Raven Shield uses and in fact, those with modded XBoxes have been able to bring the original Raven Shield maps in for both SP and MP play...

Because the PC maps are larger, non-linear and provide a better gaming experience AND the Xbox is more than capable of running them just as well as a mid to high-end PC can.

The point is the devs not using the original maps was not a question of whether the XBox could handle it, but a design decision as to what they thought would appeal to a certain demographic.

Design choices/decisions are what make good games good and bad games bad, regardless of the platform in my opinion.

DreamMarine
03-08-2006, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Kurtz_:
Expectations may be racing on this new game, so I think you have to look at comparable games like Lockdown and GRAW to see what "tactical" means in newer games.


Concerning LD: Definately not!!!



First, you will never see preplanning again because it is too complex, squad orders now are all "on the fly" and are implemented with waypoints, an order menu or the mouse cursor.


You can easily implement BOTH approaches in one game. For a LOT of R6 fans, the perplanning ist far from "too complex". It's the other way around for them: That's a big part of the fun.

But I agree, that there should be an option to skip the preplanning for those, who want to dive into action immediately.



Character switching is done, games are all single character now, with remote squad control.

It will be a one squad game, with a squad of 3. You may be able to choose your operative and his load out, but that will be the extent of it.


We could talk about that. But at the moment, I am still missing the multiple teams concept.




The tactical potential may be enhanced with the use of a tac map to allow you to order your squad around the map, but, even that is questionable and depenedent on the developer.


Still far better than running along a long hose without knowing exactly where you are or where to go. Situational awarness is actual a lot of fun for most R6 fans. Believe it or not!



Another more pressing issue is whether the maps will be more open, larger and allow mutiple access paths to objectives. Linear maps take away tactical options.


Definately true!



The main point I am making is that people should not expect to see a reincarnation of RVS in a next gen graphic engine because games have evolved beyond that type of game structure. You can call it dumbing down or an appeal to a wider gaming market, but, clearly, the new games are not going to support the features you saw in Ghost Recon or RVS.



I am also a Civilization fan. And they programmed the new version Civ IV from the scratch on new. There formula in doing this was:

- 1/3 of Civ IV is exactly as it was before
- 1/3 of Civ IV are improvements on the previous Civ games
- 1/3 of Civ IV are careful planned new features according to the overall concept of Civ, which had proven to work VERY WELL

I like this formula!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You shouldn't stick to the same features forever. BUT you should NOT reinvent a totally new game, when the old one worked PERFECTLY. That is just stupid! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


And most important:
When you talk about the "gaming market": Keep in mind, that all those "formulas" you seem to use in your thinking are exactly just that: Formulas! And let tell you from a mathematician:

Be VERY careful, WHERE you use WHAT formula! And for every "problem" there are almost always a lot of formulas to solve it... some might work... some might not! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DreamMarine

Malleus.
03-08-2006, 10:32 AM
But I agree, that there should be an option to skip the preplanning for those, who want to dive into action immediately.

That's what default plans were for in the previous R6 games...


The main point I am making is that people should not expect to see a reincarnation of RVS in a next gen graphic engine because games have evolved beyond that type of game structure. You can call it dumbing down or an appeal to a wider gaming market, but, clearly, the new games are not going to support the features you saw in Ghost Recon or RVS.

But we can hope. At least I hope that R6:Vegas PC will be something like R6, you know. If the devs clarify that it won't be like that, then it's over for me ... no hard feelings.

Kurtz_
03-08-2006, 11:14 AM
Those are just predictions based on trends. I don't see the game going back to R6 game structure, but, I could be totally wrong. We could be immensely surprised and the game could be a very tactical and immersive game. I have tempered my expectations.

EYE4LYFE
05-14-2006, 02:31 PM
Seems like it's going to be an action packed, tactical shooting blast!

This is the best FPS footage that I've ever seen from UBI (even better than G.R.A.W.).

It's probably not the PC version, but this video shows exactly how I want it to play with mouse/keyboard. I'm not into console gaming at all, so, if the PC version gives me this kind of gameplay action, I'm sure it'll be bigger than any other PC shooter (including R6 Raven Shield).

Stream it, or right-click save as .wmv (267MB). I saved the entire video. Gotta show it to a buddy later. He's going to flip his wig over this!!

http://rr.download.xferla.com:65530/mirror/xboxmovies.t...demo_wmvhighwide.wmv (http://rr.download.xferla.com:65530/mirror/xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/rainbowsixvegas_051106demo_wmvhighwide.wmv)

Thxz Goliath & Geiger for providing us with this wondeful information about the PC version. It's great to see that Rainbow Six is back in the hands of Ubisoft's Montreal studio, creators of the award-winning and highly acclaimed Rainbow Six 3 on PC and Xbox, promising traditional tactical gameplay.

If you guys could, please ensure that PC gamers get a fair shake. Traditional gameplay and medium graphic settings will keep players happy on a universal level (smooth frame rates on all systems), but there should also be an option to increase the graphics to ridiculous levels enabling all eye candy permitted that a user's system can handle it (AA & no MRT issues). That would further compliment the gameplay.

The PC version should match/exceed the X360/PS3 version.

EDIT: I didn't see <span class="ev_code_RED">KungFu_CIA's</span> new thread about the video. I guess the above link can be used as an additional source. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LSD-Wrath
05-18-2006, 05:56 AM
Quote: What it is however and how that will work is not being released at this time so you will have to wait for the official word.

So no more UBI isnt doing PC flame fests please.

Ok, i for one am a little ticked at that statement. The only reason why UBI is getting flamed is because of their credibility in the past, with such titles as "ghost recon 2". Yeah we got the "Official" word it was being created and would be released on "THIS DATE", It never was...so if this is your idea of calming the tides, then you are really oblivious to your own actions. Your (UBI's) credibility has inadvertantly started the flames. In your line of business, if you say something is being released, then something better be released, or you will lose credibility. Now, we will always have doubts as to whether something will be released by you ppl or postposponed and probably never see the light of day. I still want Ghost Recon 2. I wanted to own them all in a series for the pc, now that will never happen. I wont even get into Lockdown and how we were told it would be the best shooter to date and really shed some new light on the rainbow series. Its funny to me how we hear the same thing about every game being released just reworded... and lastily, the most amusing thing about this thread is how UBI is upset with us...for flaming... that's the biggest laugh all night. Thanks UBI, well try not to upset you anymore. Do you still want my 50 bucks for the next game? We got GRAW (incomplete), 360 got alot of love for the same price, Now its up to the fans to string something together once the mod tools get released. I'm gonna stop for now, cause i could go on forever, i just couldnt hold back when i saw that post from Goliath. That was rich. Bottom line Goliath, we dont believe you guys anymore. I wasted 50 bucks on LetDown, and if you dont release the mod tools, there goes another 50 bucks. Put down the consoles and start showing the PC some love!!

ruled
05-18-2006, 08:45 PM
yes, not to start another flame war, but ubi's creadibility has gone to the ****ter

SAS_SavageJedi
06-28-2006, 02:30 PM
I must attest to the Math man's wisdom. I've never played the Civilization games, but that formula looks perfect for R6. Keep what works, expand upon it, but for the love of my WALLET dont change everything! I did NOT buy Lockdown, nor will I. Not due to posts like this, but because I played the demo and KNEW that it was NOT worthy of the name Tom Clancey. BTW I did play the full version of lockdown at a buddies house, I just knew from the demo I wouldnt purchase it myself. Even though I played with it for a while, I couldnt find it in me to finish the game, it was too heart breaking to see R6 reduced to that. Tactics? No, that shootout in the garage told me all I needed to know. Thats not Rainbow Six, thats a squad of misfits walking into gunfire trying to be heros.

IPSC_PRO
06-29-2006, 08:57 PM
Don't know if I'm posting in the right place but I want to let the powers that be know that I really would love having the option to use the iron sights on the on all weapons, like bf2. That would be my number one request. I did not buy lockdown. The feel of the game just wasn't right for me. I really didn't like it when they took away features like being able to lean and move at the same time. Or maybe someone could come up with a mod to RVS for the use of iron sights on all weapons. I would pay for just that.

Dirtydog28
06-29-2006, 09:02 PM
**** **** **** mother ****er all I can say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SAS_SavageJedi
06-30-2006, 01:52 PM
I agree, I'd rather pay for Rogue Spear or Raven Shield Revamped over another let down like LockDown.

RLCSeMPeRFi
06-30-2006, 02:01 PM
If its been confirmed there is a "PC version of Vegas" then why is this forum still named Rainbow Six 5 (PC Working Title)?

green_ant
07-01-2006, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by RLCSeMPeRFi:
If its been confirmed there is a "PC version of Vegas" then why is this forum still named Rainbow Six 5 (PC Working Title)?

They are confirming that there is a PC version of Vegas, but they probably want to call it something other than Rainbow Six Vegas.
Working Title means they haven't actually decided on a final title for the PC version, so it will just be referred to as Rainbow Six 5 while it is under development.
Once they decide upon a title, then the forum will be named accordingly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif