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VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 11:50 AM
After few weeks of intense testin with my friends we came to consclusion what is causin stutters and bad gameplay on servers.
No matter how good is the server setup it is ONLY ONE THING that is important, and that is CLIENTs PC.

Servers are runnin smooth as silk until somebody with OUTDATED PC such as amiga or commodore64 joins.

Then the real troubles start!

So please, act like a gentleman and UPGRADE your machine! It is 2005 ffs, don't live in the past! DO NOT RUN THE EXPERIENCE FOR OTHER 50 PLAYERS on server.

Over'n'out!

Dim.cro

VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 11:50 AM
After few weeks of intense testin with my friends we came to consclusion what is causin stutters and bad gameplay on servers.
No matter how good is the server setup it is ONLY ONE THING that is important, and that is CLIENTs PC.

Servers are runnin smooth as silk until somebody with OUTDATED PC such as amiga or commodore64 joins.

Then the real troubles start!

So please, act like a gentleman and UPGRADE your machine! It is 2005 ffs, don't live in the past! DO NOT RUN THE EXPERIENCE FOR OTHER 50 PLAYERS on server.

Over'n'out!

Dim.cro

Capt.LoneRanger
01-05-2005, 11:59 AM
Sure, if you pay for my upgrades!? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NORAD_Zooly10
01-05-2005, 12:07 PM
mine too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BaldieJr
01-05-2005, 12:11 PM
Adjusting your own attitude costs nothing.

Its 2005, stop acting like a cave dweller.

VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 12:15 PM
what's wrong with my attitude? You can't accept the fact that the sim is ruined by 200mmx owners with all those stutters?
I understand that everyone wants to fly, but hey? Get a job, work and you will have your machine sooner or later.

i meant nothin wrong, in fact i am helpin everybody who has problems with those annoyin stutters so they know from where they are comin from.

hey baldie, ever seen a tv show bald'n beautiful?

cheers

F19_Ob
01-05-2005, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:

So please, UPGRADE your machine! It is 2005.

Over'n'out!

Dim.cro <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LoL....Been working on it for a while, but looks like I have to work on it some more.
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_VR_ScorpionWorm
01-05-2005, 12:24 PM
Whats wrong with your attitude? Your expecting everybody to upgrade their rig just so 'you' can have a lag free game. Well I got news for you, we do have jobs. And I for one have TWO kids and BILLS to pay, upgrading my rig is the last of my priorities. And even on a 56k, if the server is set right I cause no lag at all.

I've played on Hunter82's server and never pinged out from packet loss. I have yet to try WarClouds as I haven't had the time. And I'm sure I will do just fine by setting up my side to match the server. Excuse us if we arent living in our mommy and daddy's basement sucking up their money to pay for a $2000 Alienware or custom built rig. My rig is a crappy Emachines prebuilt running on a 1.8 Ghz Celeron and an FX 5200, Im not going to stop paying my bills and providing for my children just cause you and your friends and others out there wish for a lag free game. I check my ping before I enter a server when on Hyperlobby so I know which rooms to avoid.

VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 12:43 PM
you have to learn a bit more how internet and computers work so i won't take your opinion as a valid one.

Cheers

p.s. it is not only me and my friends, the whole community suffers.

jeroen-79
01-05-2005, 01:01 PM
He isn't attacking you on technical grounds so his lack of understanding computers (according to you) doesn't invalidate his opinion.

He just believes that there shouldn't be an 'entry fee' (in the form of a high end machine) to play the game and that he has more important things to spend his money on.

Heavy_Weather
01-05-2005, 01:02 PM
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Atomic_Marten
01-05-2005, 01:19 PM
I have an old PC, and outdated too. I play online.. sometimes, not regularly tho.

There ain't no way that I can cause more pain to you than to myself, since I'm champion of LaGG http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I have lowered my settings to 'treetops' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

But must say that I leave game ommediatelly if I notice that my connection is bad, or game stutters due to heavy AA or similar. I9m carefull at picking servers.

I was planing to upgrade my system with new AMD 64 3.2GHz, but I did not have money until now.

About your 'attitude', well you are right, but while I agree with you, you can not ask of people that they upgrade their systems because you have a bad day in Hyperlobby due to lag. It is not that simple request http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, it is rather simple (I'm using my rethoric to all similar cases) reason why people fly on the outdated machines:

1st possibility (95% and more): they don't have enough money for upgrade;

2nd possibility (0-5%); they are lazy or other various reasons.

So you may have success with those 0-5% minority, but I doubt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

jeroen_R90S
01-05-2005, 01:28 PM
3rd reason: they DO have the money, but have priorities other than buying/upgrading a machine for a game only. Women and other hobbies cost money, too... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I know some of you are very serious when it comes to flight simming, but for me as a casual player it's not worth it; I'd rather invest my hobby money (that tiny bit that remains of my pitiful salary after all costs of teh real life have been deducted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) into books, my motorbike, draw/paintstuff or camper van, vacations and BEER... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

73GIAP_Milan
01-05-2005, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
what's wrong with my attitude? You can't accept the fact that the sim is ruined by 200mmx owners with all those stutters?
I understand that everyone wants to fly, but hey? Get a job, work and you will have your machine sooner or later.

i meant nothin wrong, in fact i am helpin everybody who has problems with those annoyin stutters so they know from where they are comin from.

hey baldie, ever seen a tv show bald'n beautiful?

cheers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

200MMX machines can't run this game dude..

And i have an upgrade planned, do you want to pay for it? NO, OF COURSE YOU DON'T *insert slight sarcasm*
Computers cost M.O.N.E.Y. and not everyone is a spoiled B.R.A.T. as you MIGHT be, so they can NOT afford a new one every 6 months.

[/RANT] Thankyou for reading http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

@Moderators: i'm not trying to be personal here, and it's noway meant to be a flame, so pls be gentle on my sorry soul http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's a matter of principle here...

this kind of talk kinda pisses me off a bit..i hope you understand (i'm one of those dudes who actually has to slave for his new hardware)

LStarosta
01-05-2005, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Adjusting your own attitude costs nothing.

Its 2005, stop acting like a cave dweller. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right on!

I hate it when people tell me to spend money on things I don't have money for. Talk about being a *****!

As if my PC was the only thing worth spending money for. There are certain things that trump PC upgrades in importance. You know, some people have to pay mortgages, support kids, pay the utilities etc. Why don't you sod off, I never liked spoiled brats.

VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 01:49 PM
What are u talkin about, what brats?
We are all brats playin a PC game if we put that way.
If you are all so big fans of this sim, which i doubt, you will sure put some money to the side and make your flyin more enjoyable. PC components are not that expensive these days. In a couple of months you can upgrade your machine.
i am aware that we all come form different part of the world, but if we, in poor Croatia can have the latest hardware than you can too!
We are not talkin about Ferarris ppl.

Wife, kids, the lamest excuse i heard in a while.

S!

_VR_ScorpionWorm
01-05-2005, 01:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 73GIAP_Milan:
i'm one of those dudes who actually has to slave for his new hardware <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that, it took me 'months' to be able to get myself a 512Mb stick of RAM that only cost $85 US.

_VR_ScorpionWorm
01-05-2005, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:

Wife, kids, the lamest excuse i heard in a while.

S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.

You must be a kid. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Amen to that, it took me 'months' to be able to get myself a 512Mb stick of RAM that only cost $85 US. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what happened with the american dream?

jeroen_R90S
01-05-2005, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
Wife, kids, the lamest excuse i heard in a while.
S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is the lamest remark I heard in a long while.

Jeroen

LStarosta
01-05-2005, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
What are u talkin about, what brats?
We are all brats playin a PC game if we put that way.
If you are all so big fans of this sim, which i doubt, you will sure put some money to the side and make your flyin more enjoyable. PC components are not that expensive these days. In a couple of months you can upgrade your machine.
i am aware that we all come form different part of the world, but if we, in poor Croatia can have the latest hardware than you can too!
We are not talkin about Ferarris ppl.

Wife, kids, the lamest excuse i heard in a while.

S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Unfortunately, we, in the U.S.A. have to stand in bread lines and go to soup kitchens for food. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


You love trolling, don't you. Either you find this amusing or you're an arrogant S.O.B. Either way, p1ss off.

_VR_ScorpionWorm
01-05-2005, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:


what happened with the american dream? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats politics and I will not discuss it here.

73GIAP_Milan
01-05-2005, 01:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Amen to that, it took me 'months' to be able to get myself a 512Mb stick of RAM that only cost $85 US. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what happened with the american dream? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is NO AMERICAN DREAM, there are actually ppl around here who have to work for their stuff.

And wives, kids, real life, all kinds of stuff is related to this, take it or leave it.

PBNA-Boosher
01-05-2005, 02:09 PM
Just transferred to a Dell 4700 with updated graphics info from a Dell 700c (almost 9 years old.) Happy? Do I win the prize for oldest PC running PF?

VK_Dim
01-05-2005, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 73GIAP_Milan:


There is NO AMERICAN DREAM, there are actually ppl around here who have to work for their stuff.

And wives, kids, real life, all kinds of stuff is related to this, take it or leave it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really? We don't live that way here.
S!

Chuck_Older
01-05-2005, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:
you have to learn a bit more how internet and computers work so i won't take your opinion as a valid one.

Cheers

p.s. it is not only me and my friends, the whole community suffers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, the whole community does suffer.

But only after reading this thread

Atomic_Marten
01-05-2005, 06:30 PM
_VR_ScorpionWorm, 73GIAP_Milan, BaldieJr, Chuck_Older, jeroen_R90S, LStarosta, PBNA-Boosher

Guys please check your PMs.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mackane1
01-05-2005, 08:06 PM
...i think someone's catchin' alotta' fish...

Bula
01-05-2005, 08:58 PM
"Women and other hobbies cost money, too..."

Jeroen, you are one brave dude. If my wife caught me classifying her as 'another hobby' I'd be singing soprano for a week...

TX-WarHawk
01-05-2005, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:

So please, act like a gentleman and UPGRADE your machine! It is 2005 ffs, don't live in the past! DO NOT RUN THE EXPERIENCE FOR OTHER 50 PLAYERS on server.

Over'n'out!

Dim.cro <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sir yes sir!

I'll have a new machine by the end of the day.

J_Weaver
01-05-2005, 09:19 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VK_Dim:
Wife, kids, the lamest excuse i heard in a while
[QUOTE]

I normally don't comment on things like this but that beats it all. I can just hear it now:

"Sorry kids its bread and water for the next six weeks, I figure by then I'll have saved enough money to upgrade my pc so PF runs smooth and doesn't cause any problems online." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Come on buddy not all of us have 1500$ or 2000$ to spend on a new pc. I've been playing Il2 since day one and would love nothing more than to be able to run PF in perfect mode but that ain't in the cards just now.

GvSAP_Wingnut
01-05-2005, 09:21 PM
Running a pretty decent rig right now - AMD 3000+ XP, 1 Gig Ram, 9800 Pro...

But now I'm gonna load PF up on my son's 1.3ghz P4 and hunt you down on Hyperlobby http://forums.utassault.net/images/icons/mwah.gif

wayno7777
01-05-2005, 09:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Just transferred to a Dell 4700 with updated graphics info from a Dell 700c (almost 9 years old.) Happy? Do I win the prize for oldest PC running PF? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I upgraded frorm a 500mhz Athlon to a 750 Duron a couple of months ago cause the price was right. I traded the 500 for the 750. I also traded for a 1.2 gig Duron but 10 minutes after I had it all put together, the heatsink popped off and I didn't get it shut off in time. With 4 boys it's hard to save cash for playthings.
ps Boosh, how is the 4700. Been thinking about it.

MO_JOJO
01-06-2005, 12:07 AM
VK_DIM, would you be willing to help those who want help optimizing their exsisting systems?
I'll take all the help I can get, bro.

Oh, and by the way, "the American dream" has little to do with gaming or computers. We are probably all pursuing the same "American" dream and don't even know it, but it has a lot more to do with owning a home, providing for a healthy family, and saving for the future. Have you shopped for a new home lately?

If this is such a big deal, we can fix it without everyone upgrading, right?

Daiichidoku
01-06-2005, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GvSAP_Wingnut:
Running a pretty decent rig right now - AMD 3000+ XP, 1 Gig Ram, 9800 Pro...

But now I'm gonna load PF up on my son's 1.3ghz P4 and hunt you down on Hyperlobby http://forums.utassault.net/images/icons/mwah.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im with you, wingnut...

I just went from a 800 celeron 384RAM 64MBnvidia (used the onboard 8MB vid for JaneWWII fighters!) to an AMD semron 2400+ (1.67Mhz) 512DDR RAM (going to get another stick of 512 soon), but same nvidia 64meg card...soon a good friend will send his old nividia Ti 4400 YAY!

I have DSL ethernet too


I see you online, Im firing up the celeron 800 and use my 10hours/months free dial-up that comes with my DSL service http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Daiichidoku
01-06-2005, 01:32 AM
vk DIM...hmmmmm a more apt moniker Ive yet to see

karost
01-06-2005, 01:42 AM
after I upgrade my VGA gard from 64M to 128M FX5200 ( low cost one ) I can play online more hapyy my current 2.4GB cpu run just fine.

I believe everyone would like to enjoy this game with happay and don't want to face a problem with cpu,vag,memory lag, they don't want to lag themself or lag other friends

if they have a budget they will upgrade with a smile.

the good thing is alot of friends who host the game still open mind and welcome every one to join the game and if the one who lag the system was found then server's script will do his job by auto click him .... that's it.

S!

Smoker_96th
01-06-2005, 01:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VK_Dim:

Wife, kids, the lamest excuse i heard in a while.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally cannot believe that I would be willing to respond to this ridiculous remark, but here is my two cents.

No matter the country, mostly all of us who fly this wonderful game do it in our spare time and call it our hobby. I for one am glad that I have a source that I can vent my frustrations on.

However, everything (and I mean everything!!!) takes a backseat to my family. I don't get up every morning or evening (depending upon my shift at the time) and bust my tail to make money to buy myself things. I work so that my children have a life that was better than mine growing up. Most all fathers and mothers want that more than anything.

I would love more than anything to hit the lottery or have a better paying job so I can get that system that would probably make your machine lag, but my priorities in life are where they need to be.

Remember one thing if nothing else.....In Pacific Fighters if you mess up in a dogfight or mission, you can do it all over again. In life, if you do not do the things you need to do and do the things you want to do then you not only screw yourself but, more importantly, you screw those you love most.

I would wager that 98% of the people, no matter what nationality, that fly and enjoy this game are hard working people that think the same way as I do. I for one am not gonna take away one thing that I am doing for my family so that someone else can have a lagfree game. That is obsurd and selfish of you to even ask that of anyone.

I have said my peace............