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blakduk
11-20-2007, 05:58 AM
I was just online at Skies Of Valour- i was on the six of a Lagg 5, we were both near the deck, when it went vertical out of sight!
He went so high he started contrails and disappeared entirely.
Soon after that i was tailing him again, again near the deck, when he pulled a blinding 180 degree turn (like a handbrake turn) and went approx 400kmh back the other way.
Is this the hack i've read about?

Billy_BigBoy
11-20-2007, 06:00 AM
A good hack or a bad lag that is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

blakduk
11-20-2007, 06:05 AM
How can you tell the difference?

flyingloon
11-20-2007, 06:06 AM
didn't think that level of hack existed, just the FM swapping as seen in the Do-335/Lerche you tube vid...

general_kalle
11-20-2007, 06:22 AM
known as warping,
happens when theres a loss of packages or just a bad conektion so your computer dont know where to place the enemy aircraft

ive even seen planes crash into each other due to warp

not hack,
just lagg

LEBillfish
11-20-2007, 06:44 AM
Lagg or you was....lagging....Now don't get me wrong, tried that server once, noted "AI hack" planes were part of the standard package, and sure enough due to the checks not on there were cheaters there as LA5's don't instantly break from a hard turning fight grass high(low speed/E) and climb almost vertical to 4km gaining on a 400km/h FW190 reaching it in 15-30 seconds and have split second burst guns like a bank of 37mm's......

SO though I believe you saw lagging, my advice would be avoid ALL servers that aren't running full checks. As whether you run into a cheater or not, simply the possibility will spoil it for you.

(and don't get me wrong there are hacks some use that bypass the checks/get around them...Yet they are not as well publicized and not near as many have them).

As it stands now you're only cheating yourself to fly any server that's not running full checks, as even the "modders" *gag* are already implamenting "corrections & aids" which takes them waaaaaay off par from all others.....

MaxMhz
11-20-2007, 06:50 AM
It could be lag, although I've never seen a contrail produced due to lag, so it could as well be due to a hack. Make online quick-recordings so you can show exactly what you mean. It will not hurt game performance if you do.

blakduk
11-20-2007, 06:51 AM
How do you know if the server is running 'full checks'?

JG52Uther
11-20-2007, 06:58 AM
Well it should say in the 'info' crt=2 enabled,or dheckruntime=2 if its running checks.

LEBillfish
11-20-2007, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by blakduk:
How do you know if the server is running 'full checks'?

Well, the norm of late seems messages in the server description similar to "modders auto kicked", "chk=2", etc.....If you see someone advertising 4.08m/4.09, they most likely are hacked and many simply state it clearly.

Also, though in the past available AI planes to fly in a server meant as external only, now most times that will be a hacked server so check the plane lists once in.

Lastly just ask....If they say yes to either hacks/mods or that they run checkruntime=1, just say "thank ya much"...and fly elsewhere.

rnzoli
11-20-2007, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by blakduk:
How can you tell the difference?
Simple. If the enemy planes moves abnormally linear during strange manouvers, it means warping. Your IL-2 is just trying to estimate the position linearly in the absense of position updates from the server (and your opponent's client).

If you see strange things, e.g., a very fast but curved climbing turn, or not an instanteneus reversal, but a nicely curved one, then start worrying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

blakduk
11-20-2007, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blakduk:
How can you tell the difference?
Simple. If the enemy planes moves abnormally linear during strange manouvers, it means warping. Your IL-2 is just trying to estimate the position linearly in the absense of position updates from the server (and your opponent's client).
If you see strange things, e.g., a very fast but curved climbing turn, or not an instanteneus reversal, but a nicely curved one, then start worrying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suppose it must have been lag then- when he went vertical i saw contrails that were very straight. He did a turn up there that looked like a kink in a straw.
I didnt realise lag could make such a difference- he went vertical like a rocket http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SeaFireLIV
11-20-2007, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by blakduk:

I didnt realise lag could make such a difference- he went vertical like a rocket http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

yea, lag does that. i`ve had the odd squadm8 act exactly like this when his connection starts flipping out. And I know for a fact he doesn`t use any hacks.

Dustysquareback
11-20-2007, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Lagg or you was....lagging....Now don't get me wrong, tried that server once, noted "AI hack" planes were part of the standard package, and sure enough due to the checks not on there were cheaters there as LA5's don't instantly break from a hard turning fight grass high(low speed/E) and climb almost vertical to 4km gaining on a 400km/h FW190 reaching it in 15-30 seconds and have split second burst guns like a bank of 37mm's......

SO though I believe you saw lagging, my advice would be avoid ALL servers that aren't running full checks. As whether you run into a cheater or not, simply the possibility will spoil it for you.

(and don't get me wrong there are hacks some use that bypass the checks/get around them...Yet they are not as well publicized and not near as many have them).

As it stands now you're only cheating yourself to fly any server that's not running full checks, as even the "modders" *gag* are already implamenting "corrections & aids" which takes them waaaaaay off par from all others.....


Bah. Alarmist at best. I fly this server all the time, and haven't seen one cheat hack. The mod is allowed so that people can fly the bombers, etc, but there is almost always a Admin flying, and if a cheater is spotted he is banned immediatly. Also, the high-alt warping you describe is def. lag.

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-20-2007, 01:48 PM
Sounds like lag to me. Seen it a thousand times.

S!

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2007, 02:07 PM
As it stands now you're only cheating yourself to fly any server that's not running full checks, as even the "modders" *gag* are already implamenting "corrections & aids" which takes them waaaaaay off par from all others.....

Please clue me in to these "corrections and aids", the only time I've seen "corrections" is when some dude suggested it on "that other forum" and he was promptly flamed from all corners accusing him of wanting to cheat and many saying "we don't do that **** here!". I don't know where your getting you info but"close that book".

LEBillfish
11-20-2007, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As it stands now you're only cheating yourself to fly any server that's not running full checks, as even the "modders" *gag* are already implamenting "corrections & aids" which takes them waaaaaay off par from all others.....

Please clue me in to these "corrections and aids", the only time I've seen "corrections" is when some dude suggested it on "that other forum" and he was promptly flamed from all corners accusing him of wanting to cheat and many saying "we don't do that **** here!". I don't know where your getting you info but"close that book". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well lets see....AI plane FM's, "cleaned up" (easier to see through) sight reticals, altered smoke (which would allow easier tracking), 6dof be it out of the box or even corrected (gotta love transparent plane parts), etc.....Now those are just those offered up by that site....HOWEVER tools are also offered...SOOooOooOooooo...Lets add to that other discussions of altering default skins to high vis, tweaking FM's, etc.....

You see, though what the "supposed" good guy modders offer alone already takes it off par....Yet the availability for anyone to alter just took it totally out of the realm of any trust. Courtesy of your friendly modders, heres the tools, and let us help you learn how to do it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So don't even try to justify it to me.

Haigotron
11-20-2007, 02:21 PM
Congrats, you saw a UFO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dustysquareback
11-20-2007, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As it stands now you're only cheating yourself to fly any server that's not running full checks, as even the "modders" *gag* are already implamenting "corrections & aids" which takes them waaaaaay off par from all others.....

Please clue me in to these "corrections and aids", the only time I've seen "corrections" is when some dude suggested it on "that other forum" and he was promptly flamed from all corners accusing him of wanting to cheat and many saying "we don't do that **** here!". I don't know where your getting you info but"close that book". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well lets see....AI plane FM's, "cleaned up" (easier to see through) sight reticals, altered smoke (which would allow easier tracking), 6dof be it out of the box or even corrected (gotta love transparent plane parts), etc.....Now those are just those offered up by that site....HOWEVER tools are also offered...SOOooOooOooooo...Lets add to that other discussions of altering default skins to high vis, tweaking FM's, etc.....

You see, though what the "supposed" good guy modders offer alone already takes it off par....Yet the availability for anyone to alter just took it totally out of the realm of any trust. Courtesy of your friendly modders, heres the tools, and let us help you learn how to do it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So don't even try to justify it to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said, alarmist. Anyone can conjecture about doomsday scenarios. The test is what is ACTUALLY happening, and that is a lot of solid mods with much care taken not to provide unfair advantages. And more importantly, lots of honorable play is occurring all day long on these "hack" servers.

I agree that the 6dof is probably an unfair advantage, and won't be using it. But when you look at it any head tracker is a major advantage over people flying without one. I know, I just got Freelook running, and it's amazing how different my SA is. So there's a "cheat" built right into the game.

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2007, 03:28 PM
The cleaned up reticles are potentially questionable, but you must consider that if you want historical accuracy then olegs reticle design offers cheating as the real thing was often unreliable, flickered or went out entirely at random. Tweaking FM's is strictly forbidden on "that other site". As for AI FM's, until oleg says that the AI FM for nonflyables is any different that the flyable FM I will assume his statement that AI FM is same as other FM is still correct. Altered smoke to make it easier to track? Where the heck did you get that, there is a mod to change the way the nav lights work at a distance, to make it harder! There is a smoke mod, for train smoke and wrecked aircraft smoke, I guess if you need the extra help tracking those downed aircraft then this could be a cheat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I have not seen that other site make those tools available to just anyone, I know there are others doing that but don't take it out on those who are simply trying to make some planes flyable and better visual effects improvements. Wheather or not you agree with the morality/legality of changing these things please DO NOT confuse these people with cheaters, this is the last thing they want. Your loud protesting CANNOT put this back in the bottle, stop accusing people of cheating where there is no cheating, there is a legitemate concern that cheating may result from the hacking of the code but you anti-cheating position is very much deminished when you accuse people of cheating when they would no more cheat than you would.

LEBillfish
11-20-2007, 04:14 PM
pffffft....Justifications to be at an edge over other competitors.......and that is EXACTLY the same verbage someone who hacks an FM will use "a J8 really flew at 600km/hr, I read it once!", "Oleg had it wrong!" (know of anyone there already trying to "correct" 1c's work? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif and so on.

Puleeeeeease....Fly a hacked server and risk flying against hackers be they minor or severe....In either case, it's an edge so NOT par with everyone else.....By chance, able to see better rear view in a Tempest then a stock game player?.....thought so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2007, 04:31 PM
Whatever...ibtl.

Dustysquareback
11-20-2007, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
.and that is EXACTLY the same verbage someone who hacks an FM will use "a J8 really flew at 600km/hr, I read it once!"


If and when that happens, everyone will laugh at them. Then ban them. Your arguments all sit comfortably in the hypothetical to totally-out-of-touch-with-reality zone. Have fun flying mod free and worrying about the impending doom. S~

SlickStick
11-20-2007, 05:51 PM
LOL! I just love threads like this. Ignorance, downplayers and hack users abounding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Truth be told, any server that allows modded files has NO control over what someone mods. Only an idiot would mod something so that it is visually obvious.

The "smart" cheaters will only slightly modify their game to gain advantages that are literally undetectable. Considering the POS "squadron" that runs that server, you can bet your bottom dollar, it's a skank fest.

Proven cheaters in CFS2 and banned from competition, many know they brought their skank ways to IL-2 as well.

As easy as it always is around here for the same folks to put everything off as lag, and they always do, I'll stand by my statement that we didn't get the 3 anti-cheat tools we have in-game until AFTER the cheating started. I won't comment on what the original poster saw, as I did not see it for myself.

Pretty easy to spot the difference between lag and maneuvering warp though. Oleg had a post on these boards when the speed check was first added to the game and he explained it perfectly. I took careful notes. It's a shame it's gone now in one of the forum crashes/archives.

For instance, any server with AI planes will now have pits for the hackers, while folks who don't mod, will still have to fly them from externals. Not a show stopper, but just the tip of the iceberg that is under the current IL-2 waters.

At least prior to the hack program becoming public, there were only a few with it and most cheaters had to use speed gear or manipulate their internet connection to cheat. Now, anything goes.

You'd have to be pretty naive to think you won't be flying with cheats on an open server with at least no checkruntime=2. But, then again, feigned naivety is par for the course around these parts. The saying, "Dumb like a fox" comes to mind. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

FluffyDucks2
11-20-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Whatever...ibtl.

Said the apologist for the HACKERs... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2007, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Whatever...ibtl.

Said the apologist for the HACKERs... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't apologize for a damn thing, I just call bull$hit where I see it. If you rabid anti-hack people had you f'n facts straight I would be on your side, instead you guys run around with your half-truths and whole-paranoias and accuse everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint of being cheaters.

SlickStick
11-20-2007, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Whatever...ibtl.

Said the apologist for the HACKERs... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't apologize for a damn thing, I just call bull$hit where I see it. If you rabid anti-hack people had you f'n facts straight I would be on your side, instead you guys run around with your half-truths and whole-paranoias and accuse everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint of being cheaters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Point-blank fact, you have ZERO control over what someone mods in that file and uses on an open server, regardless of how honorable your intentions might be.

I think it's great that people want to improve the game. I just hate to see it used online, where once the checkruntime is turned off, anything goes. Offliners can mod until the cows come home.

I also love statements like, "My squadmate uses it and he would never cheat." Fact of the matter is, more than one supposed "honest" flyer has been found out to be nothing but a lowlife cheat.

It's called, "Honor in the Light". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If you knew what I knew from Jane's WWII Fighters, you would understand. I worked with a team that uncovered every cheat that was being used in that game. And once a lobby was built that detected all of those things, the rats scattered off the sinking ship like, well, rats off of a sinking ship. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
11-20-2007, 06:21 PM
Funny how some folks simply STILL don't get it...So lets try again in non-sim terms....

"I have this great new medical product...It is by far one of the absolute best pain relievers from the most minor to most extreme with absolutly NO adverse effects if taken in the proper dosage...Not only will it aleviate all pain, it will help speed up healing due to the lack there of.........and not only does it do all this, yet here is how you can get it for free and even make your own......

I call it....Heroin"


Still don't get it?...Lets try again...


"The one thing that seperates the poor from the rich, the fed from the hungry is quite simply energy.....So to cure all ills I give to you and absolutly FREE and incredibly clean, efficient and life lasting power source free to every individual on the planet.....Nuclear Energy!......Naturally, it makes a nice byproduct that can be used to make nuclear bombs...However this is a good thing as we're supplying all the materials for those as well, as now EVERY citizen of the planet has a deterent to keep governments from using theirs....SO naturally no one will ever use theirs for fear of retaliation..."


Not yet?...One more time.....


"Free to every man woman and child we are giving away a tremendous recreational tool that teaches hand eye coordination, patience, balance and concentration....Along with it you will get free training to become an expert in its use, and all the materials needed to get a lifetime of enjoyment from it....We call it, a pistol."


Naturally NO ONE will EVER abuse those three things above GIVEN to every man woman and child....Plus we'll teach you how to make your own.


Give me a friggin break.........Lets hear the excuse...."I just sell the dope I don't make them use it".......

EVERYTHING in this world is a double edged sword....EVERY decision you make you must make based on the possible goods and bad to come from it......That simple decision making process that ALL of us must perform with every thought.....Is so far from the realm of the folks who made the hacks mindset, they couldn't even do that which they instinctively do....Or simply did not care.

SO the things above are extremes....Only 1 out of 100,000 will abuse them because of the potential harm.............Welp........Just like the knuckleheads here saying...."get over it it's just a game".....So is the cheater, in fact, it is just a game and harms no one, so why NOT do it?

SO change that number to 1 in 10....and soon when people believe "well everyone else is"....1 in 4, then 1:1.....and in the end, it will be 1 in 100 that doesn't cheat in even some small way......

Good job hackers.......Pathetic as responsible humans at best.....and those that support you either as bad, or....Some dull witted folk.

Duh yup...

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2007, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Whatever...ibtl.

Said the apologist for the HACKERs... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't apologize for a damn thing, I just call bull$hit where I see it. If you rabid anti-hack people had you f'n facts straight I would be on your side, instead you guys run around with your half-truths and whole-paranoias and accuse everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint of being cheaters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Point-blank fact, you have ZERO control over what someone mods in that file and uses on an open server, regardless of how honorable your intentions might be.

I think it's great that people want to improve the game. I just hate to see it used online, where once the checkruntime is turned off, anything goes. Offliners can mod until the cows come home.

I also love statements like, "My squadmate uses it and he would never cheat." Fact of the matter is, more than one supposed "honest" flyer has been found out to be nothing but a lowlife cheat.

It's called, "Honor in the Light". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If you knew what I knew from Jane's WWII Fighters, you would understand. I worked with a team that uncovered every cheat that was being used in that game. And once a lobby was built that detected all of those things, the rats scattered off the sinking ship like, well, rats off of a sinking ship. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's the thing, I agree with every word you said. Surprised? If anyone has been paying attention to what I say, not what they want to hear, then they would know I've never said this isn't dangerous, I've never said that people can't/don't/won't cheat. All I ever said on this subject was to either correct mistaken information, or tell the hardcores who accuse ALL mack users of cheating to kindly bugger off and stop with the fundamental extremist bull. Period. To reiterate the facts as I see them; the sky is not falling, some good mods will come from this, some cheats will come from this, anyone can fly crt=2 anytime they want, and eventually some smart community member will come up with software to allows some mods but disallow any FM/DM mods or anything else deemed a "cheat". Repeat: THE SKY IS NOT FALLING PEOPLE!!!!!!

And Billfish:
SO the things above are extremes....Only 1 out of 100,000 will abuse them because of the potential harm.............Welp........Just like the knuckleheads here saying...."get over it it's just a game".....So is the cheater, in fact, it is just a game and harms no one, so why NOT do it?

SO change that number to 1 in 10....and soon when people believe "well everyone else is"....1 in 4, then 1:1.....and in the end, it will be 1 in 100 that doesn't cheat in even some small way......

That is the biggest load of bull I've heard all day, and I do tech support, lol. I think everyone in this forum should be insulted that you think so little of this community that you assume even 1% of us would cheat given the chance, let alone that only 1% of this community would NOT cheat, that is f#$@% insulting.

LEBillfish
11-20-2007, 06:32 PM
You still don't get it.....No one is accusing anyone of cheating.....We're point blank stating that the hacks and their support for them HAS made cheating become more prevalent and made it so anyone now can with ease...and it is only going to get worse.

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-20-2007, 06:41 PM
Thats where we disagree, I don't see any more cheating than there was before. And there was cheating before and I see cheating now, just with no more frequency than before. I see a hell of a lot more paranoia, thats for sure. When I see that much paranoia I start making an effort to give the benefit of the doubt. Now maybe I'm not as good at spotting cheating as you are, maybe I am, either way, it still seems that everyone who uses or defends in any way the use of a mod is considered a cheat or at least an A-hole. I use Vista so I'm screwed whether or not I use the mod with everyone going to crt=2. Yes, I do use the mod, I like to fly the b-17 even if the cockpit is not perfect, but I will not tolerate being called a cheater because I like heavy bombers more than I like my nose stuck up in the air. I realize the potential danger, but it's just that, potential! If when this first came out cheating started to become epidemic then I would never have touched it, but that is simply not the case, 99% of the people who play this game are absolutely insane with how serious they are, I think the percent of people who would cheat if all they had to do was type a line in the console would be very small. Add to that the crt=2 and the inevitable program someone will come up with to check FM/DMs and this community will be just fine, there is no need for this misinformed witchhunt.

SlickStick
11-20-2007, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Here's the thing, I agree with every word you said. Surprised? If anyone has been paying attention to what I say, not what they want to hear, then they would know I've never said this isn't dangerous, I've never said that people can't/don't/won't cheat. All I ever said on this subject was to either correct mistaken information, or tell the hardcores who accuse ALL mack users of cheating to kindly bugger off and stop with the fundamental extremist bull. Period. To reiterate the facts as I see them; the sky is not falling, some good mods will come from this, some cheats will come from this, anyone can fly crt=2 anytime they want, and eventually some smart community member will come up with software to allows some mods but disallow any FM/DM mods or anything else deemed a "cheat". Repeat: THE SKY IS NOT FALLING PEOPLE!!!!!!

I can also see your point and I agree, not every mod is a cheat and not every hack is an advantage, but I go with the fact that making the tools available has not only opened the door for online cheats, but it gave them an excuse to leave the file check off in their server and say there are only "good" mods there.

I agree it's not the end of the world either. Though I find it sad that the same folks who purposefully open their speed check up to 50%, are the same folks who now allow mods, in some cases.

Hopefully, as you alluded to, someone will find a way to detect and prevent certain changes, but, I still have hope that Oleg will throw something into the final V4.09 patch that is "ready" for release.

I think I also read he stated V4.09 would not fix it, but if checkruntime=2 will find as much as I think it will, and I've only seen examples of a few things for sure, you can pretty much secure a server with it, using a good speed check and max lag. Sure, the big guys need to leave it more open to allow a larger audience to play there, but I also think some of them error too far on the side of honesty, rather than prevention.

TheGozr
11-20-2007, 06:58 PM
Not flying Il2 anymore found Lockon a good remedy for now ..

ElAurens
11-20-2007, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I like to fly the b-17 even if the cockpit is not perfect,

Not perfect?

It isn't even frigging close.

All you guys have done is bring forth a bunch of less than 3rd. rate "flyables" (because none of you has the skill to create a real 3D model) with totally incorrect cockpits and FMs, and opened the door for others to cheat online with relative ease.

The cheats are relatively widespread online, regardless of what you say. Our guys encounter them more often than you want us to believe.

You can try to justify your actions all you want, but you are only making yourselves look foolish and juvenile, while you dig the grave for this sim.

Thanks a lot chump.

FluffyDucks2
11-21-2007, 05:14 AM
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If I had time I would post the photograph of the guy with his head stuck up his own ***, as a perfect depiction of the idiots that are not only supporting/promoting the HACK, but desperately trying to rationalise their opinions despite the glaringly obvious fact that wrong is WRONG. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
11-21-2007, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I like to fly the b-17 even if the cockpit is not perfect,

Not perfect?

It isn't even frigging close.

All you guys have done is bring forth a bunch of less than 3rd. rate "flyables" (because none of you has the skill to create a real 3D model) with totally incorrect cockpits and FMs, and opened the door for others to cheat online with relative ease.

The cheats are relatively widespread online, regardless of what you say. Our guys encounter them more often than you want us to believe.

You can try to justify your actions all you want, but you are only making yourselves look foolish and juvenile, while you dig the grave for this sim.

Thanks a lot chump. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The cockpits are incorrect but the FM is correct! And how can you accuse us of acting juvenile when you're calling us idiots and chumps?!

LEXX_Luthor
11-21-2007, 08:10 AM
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According to legend, ElAurens was a top scoring Battle of Britain "Spitfire" player in the popular servers that used Yak-1 as Spitfire Mk1.
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ElAurens
11-21-2007, 10:48 AM
Lexx, I don't think I ever flew a Yak with RAF markings on it. But it was so long ago...

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