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Pirschjaeger
08-04-2006, 09:37 AM
Hi guyz,

many of you know I've been here for years. But in the last year my interest in the IL-2 series has been diminishing. We've gotten more planes. There are more servers to choose from. But I still cannot generate any interest.

It seems something, or many things are missing from the game. D-fight servers have become so boring that getting shot down is a good thing. I jump on a server, fly into the fight, get shot down, and am happy to immediately get out.

Any suggestions?

Fritz

Ernst_Rohr
08-04-2006, 09:43 AM
Change what your doing/flying.

I have had a lot of fun getting down in the mud and stomping stuff with bombers/ground attack.

Was on Winds of War last night, and we had a great 5 ship A-20 torpedo run against the Blue's harbor objective, then flew over their airfield and shot the daylights out of stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Previously, also on Winds of War, we took a six ship IL-2 package and blew the living daylights out of the Luftwaffe airfields, killing all our objectives and winning the map in like 7 minutes. What made it even better was listening to all the kill*****s WHINE about how bad that sucked!

Winning the mission > killwhoring!! Particularly when the other sides whines about it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F6_Ace
08-04-2006, 09:43 AM
http://www.bolton.org.uk/littlejohn.gif

Beer?

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/mean_girls/01.jpg

"Gurls"?

http://www.mgnet.karoo.net/FATHER%20TED/jackmain.jpg

Religion?


Feck!

rnzoli
08-04-2006, 09:48 AM
Yes. Viagra http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Alternatively, you may try more coops instead of DF. You could even design missions for coops, it is even more interesting that way. Some days ago I saw, for the first time in this game, 8 airplanes getting into a loose high-level furball with contrails, above a thick white cloud layer. It looked like something straight out of veteran memoirs. This awsome sight took my breath away for a moment. You can only see this in coops design specially for these "opportunities".

JG52Uther
08-04-2006, 09:48 AM
Squads?

Crash_Moses
08-04-2006, 10:01 AM
Bombers! Find a good objective based server and play around with bombers. If you're into the PTO I recommend PacificConflict. Bombers bring a tactical element to the game that I really enjoy.

Dive into the history. Pick up a few good books on your favorite plane or pilot and you'll be itching to get back in the cockpit in no time.

Snag some hapless family member and devote all your time to teaching them to fly. My daughter recently expressed an interest and I'm having a blast flying with her on our home network.

Build a model. Ya gotta take a break sometime. Model building is a great way to let your TIR cool down and still keep on subject.

Design a historical campaign. That's gotta be time consuming!

S!

LeOs.K_Walstein
08-04-2006, 10:35 AM
Hi, P.J¤ger! Be happy that you have enough time to spend in playing to get bored. I am lacking time to play as much as I would like to.

Nexy time I see you in Hyperlobby, let´s go to teamspeak and fly together as a team. Then let´s find a good coop or whatever and escort the bombers. That is refreshing!

Fit to fight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ,
Wallstein

Haigotron
08-04-2006, 10:46 AM
well here's another suggestion dont play il2 for a month, do other things, other games or other activities...maybe you're burned out from flying (hey it happens in real life too) and you need a breather...

then load it up again and see how it feels

Monty_Thrud
08-04-2006, 10:51 AM
How about jelly wrestling with scantily clad buxum laaaadies? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif...it passes the time...*AHEM!*...not that i know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

...Base jumping?

...around the world in a sink or bathtub?

...para gliding off Mnt. Everest

...battle re-enactments...more scantily clad wenches

...naked motorcyle stunts...did Evel get over that Canyon?...there ya go, that'll keep ya busy for awhile

no no no...don't thank me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

russ.nl
08-04-2006, 11:44 AM
Go coop full real. Then it's not just about the fight but the whole espect of the flying. You must navigate to the target, prodict the enemies moves, engine management even during combat. The (good) pressure of wanting to win the mission, navigating back to base and wanting to stay alive because: A. You can't rejoin that same mission. B. Your kill-ratio.

han freak solo
08-04-2006, 12:25 PM
Yo, Pirsch.

I lost interest out of being extremely busy. Since January '06 I've put in maybe 20 hours into IL2FB etc., and that was in June.

All of my computer time except for that 20 hours has been work and not play. (Excluding lookin' about some forums while takin' a break.)

For the last week or so, I've been really intending to get back into it. I never really got to know the planes that came with 4.04m.

You know, real life is pretty awesome, too. That's what made not playin' the sim okay.

Things are slowin' down now, sooooooo . . . maybeeeee . . . . next week for me?

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-04-2006, 12:33 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

trumper
08-04-2006, 12:50 PM
If you fly on W o W on Sat or Sunday evenings BST keep an eye out for 242 Squadron,we fly mostly bombers and are always looking to fly as a squad with other squads and also we need organised fighter escorts.


Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
Change what your doing/flying.

I have had a lot of fun getting down in the mud and stomping stuff with bombers/ground attack.

Was on Winds of War last night, and we had a great 5 ship A-20 torpedo run against the Blue's harbor objective, then flew over their airfield and shot the daylights out of stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Previously, also on Winds of War, we took a six ship IL-2 package and blew the living daylights out of the Luftwaffe airfields, killing all our objectives and winning the map in like 7 minutes. What made it even better was listening to all the kill*****s WHINE about how bad that sucked!

Winning the mission > killwhoring!! Particularly when the other sides whines about it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
08-04-2006, 12:56 PM
Perhaps getting into making missions if you haven't, or making movies? Those are (to me) a somewhat different avenue of interest in IL-2.

Top_Gun_1_0_1
08-04-2006, 01:07 PM
Girls Girls Girls! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Men are nothing without them!

fighter_966
08-04-2006, 03:32 PM
Maybe you should get laid?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gifGet a girl and go for it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

FoolTrottel
08-04-2006, 05:29 PM
Try and be a wingman offline!

Go start some good offline campaign, start it up, and use a low rank.
Try being a wingman, protecting yer leader...

Why? This way, AI will not look so stupid, and you'll not be bothered with the 'Hey, I command you, you should do what I command' thing, which AI is rather reluctant to do...

And in a few weeks, some community member will release a marvelous offline campaign for the 110, lots of fun, lots of variaty in it...

Meaning: Try something different!

Although I must say, to me, nothing beats a good ground pounding mission on-line, picking a target everyone else ignores, hitting it with all you got, return home, do it again, preferably in an IL2 or a 110... Heaps of fun... going Lone Wolf *s fun!

For something completely different, go get the Red9 campaign, an IL2 Sturmovik original campaign... try it full real, as a wingman... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Flying_Nutcase
08-04-2006, 07:14 PM
Mostly already mentioned, but these are things that have kept it fresh for me:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Mission building opens up huge doors to creativity - literally another world.
<LI>I've just started making movies. Another creative outlet that's also a useful real-world skill.
<LI>Screenshots - relish the beauty of the game. I print out a lot of my screenies at the local photo shop. It's a good way to share the game with others too.
<LI>Change plane type. Try dive-bombing or level bombing missions. It's easy to setup your own little mission in the Full Mission Builder.
<LI>Fly co-ops with a friend or squad.
<LI>Put your skills 'on paper' - i.e. a website for other to learn from. And another real-world skill picked up.
<LI>Fly missions with manual navigation - i.e. no in-game map. Plot your nav points before you takeoff. This is a HUGE leap in immersion. You'll feel like you're flying for real.
[/list]
A couple of (I think) nice screenies from my first little movie: http://www.jumpintojapan.com/images/Boeing-B17-sunset-small.jpg
http://www.jumpintojapan.com/images/Me262vsB17.jpg

Divine-Wind
08-04-2006, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
Yo, Pirsch.

I lost interest out of being extremely busy. Since January '06 I've put in maybe 20 hours into IL2FB etc., and that was in June.

All of my computer time except for that 20 hours has been work and not play. (Excluding lookin' about some forums while takin' a break.)

For the last week or so, I've been really intending to get back into it. I never really got to know the planes that came with 4.04m.

You know, real life is pretty awesome, too. That's what made not playin' the sim okay.

Things are slowin' down now, sooooooo . . . maybeeeee . . . . next week for me?
"Real life?" What is this "real life" you speak of?

han freak solo
08-04-2006, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
"Real life?" What is this "real life" you speak of?

A difficult thing really. It involves sunshine or rain, heat or cold, physical effort and physical pain, maybe drunkeness after a hard won accomplishment.

Okay . . . . maybe drunkeness because I say so.

I could go on, but the concept may be too difficult to grasp here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

han freak solo
08-04-2006, 09:06 PM
http://www.lssdigital.com/lwpilot/not_the_red_pill.jpg

Divine-Wind
08-04-2006, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
"Real life?" What is this "real life" you speak of?

A difficult thing really. It involves sunshine or rain, heat or cold, physical effort and physical pain, maybe drunkeness after a hard won accomplishment.

Okay . . . . maybe drunkeness because I say so.

I could go on, but the concept may be too difficult to grasp here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.battlefield.no/forum/style_emoticons/bf/iiiiik.gif

Professor_1942
08-04-2006, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
http://www.mgnet.karoo.net/FATHER%20TED/jackmain.jpg

Religion?


Hahaha nice...

Freelancer-1
08-04-2006, 09:45 PM
Turn your keyboard around backwards and use the wrong hand on your joystick. Sure to provide hours of fun and hilarity.

PBNA-Boosher
08-04-2006, 10:05 PM
Try different things, Pirsch. Air Racing, bush flying, etc... I've a few maps you can test out. It's more fun with a lot of people, but it adds to the game, definitely.

Gold_Monkey
08-04-2006, 10:32 PM
Fritz, Something Forbidden by IL-2 purists but a lot of us been having a great time with.
http://off.oldbrowndog.net/

Xiolablu3
08-04-2006, 11:58 PM
Defintely bombers and fighter-bombers.

Rather than staying up at 5000m doing fighter vs fighter, actually read the map objectives and try and organise your team to win the map.

Its great fun to get spme good teamwork going on mini war servers.

Forget about stats, paly the game to enjoy it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have sent you a pm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WTE_Ibis
08-05-2006, 04:28 AM
Join a good squad m8, it makes a world of difference.
Trust me, for it is so, be sure.

.

Flying_Nutcase
08-05-2006, 01:12 PM
For some reason I finally got around to turning off the HUD. Ahhh, another step into Immersiveness. Give it a go!

Under [game]
NoHudLog=1

Buy you probably already knew that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Divine-Wind
08-05-2006, 01:38 PM
What about...


...


...

http://www.pacificnet.net/~joelinux/buttsecks.jpg

RCAF_Irish_403
08-05-2006, 03:03 PM
thats OK...I'm Deperately Seeking Susan

TheGozr
08-05-2006, 04:43 PM
For sure.
Well i discover this wich is the best sim racing and it's great. I'm looking now for a good steering wheels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Driving with Track ir AND 6DOF
Test the Trial i highly recomend it..
http://www.rfactor.org/site/

Pirschjaeger
08-05-2006, 08:03 PM
Thx all for the advice, input, and output. I think most of it was good. The part about getting a gfriend wasn't so good though. My wife is sensitive about that sort of thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I decided to fly online lastnight and evaluate the situation more closely. I joined a local Chinese server and since I'm not into teamspeak the lack of communication makes no difference. It was a pacific map and probably a fairly accurate planeset. I jumped in a B-25 and brought a couple of 1000 pounders for effect..

I immediately headed out to sea to make a large cirle around the enemy. After two coffees and 12 cigarettes I finally descended through the clouds to see the enemy's well maintained airbase. I dropped the bombs and headed out over the sea again. The B-25 is not the best dive-bomber but it works, according to a Russia crew member.

Knowing that the sky was full of noobs I dropped down to fishing level. This is the best defense against noob attacks. My gunner took out two enemy planes. Apon approach I was attacked but somehow my wouldbe killer overshot and crashed directly in front of me. After I had landed and was rolling to a stop, I was being strafed again. In the end, I was able to hit refly, therefore saving my crew from certain death.

I flew the same mission 3 times after which I decided to ask "What are the targets?". Intel's reply was "They are in the towns.". Based on the accurate info I decided to do a little precision bombing until there was nothing left standing in the towns. I don't know what the targets were but I do know that they are gone.

With no targets left I decided to fly fighters and heroically save my teammates from the evil enemy. I must be a hero cause I sacrificed every plane I flew, and wasted no time. BTW, Reds, your American planes suck big time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It would be interesting to see a competition between planes of the Allied nations with equally experienced pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I predict the Brits would be the first, followed by the Russians, and the American planes would come in last.

Back to my evaluation. Considering my monitor is 15inch and my hatswitch doesn't work, it seems my peripheral vision is not enough. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Living in China puts me in a undesirable timezone, regarding joining a squadron of English speakers. Working 7 days a week for the last 3 months hasn't helped either. After calling in sick this morning, I finally have my first day off. Feels wierd.

My knowledge of bombers and how to use them is very poor. I know this means I'm missing a lot from the game.

Everytime I join a server I have to take red side for team balance since blue seems to be the most popular. Very historical. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As a 109 or 190 pilot from the first day, this is hard to accept and even harder to get used to. Interestingly though, the blue side was really tough due to their team work. Just like I've read in so many threads. To add, the blue side always outnumbered the red.

Maybe I'll start learning to build missions. All we need is Oleg to make the AI a little unpredictable. Is it possible to set the AI pilots and different experience levels? That could get a little unpredictable.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-05-2006, 08:33 PM
Xiolablu, in a pm, has pointed out the problem, even if it wasn't his intension.

I'll give an example. The last flight I flew was depressing enough to shut down my pc. I was flying 47' Art Deco Buick convertible (P47 bubble canopy). I looked below and saw a teammate being chewed up by two enemies. I dove down to assist and although I came in to fast and overshot, I managed to clear my bretheren. I lost too much E and therefore ended up in the same predicament as what my teammate had just escaped from. To add insult to injury, he was off chasing a flaming enemy, trying to get credit for someone else's kill.

Although the P47 can take a lot of hits, it has its limits. I lost half of my controls so I logically tried to run for it. Bailing was not an option since I was on the deck and can't swim anyway. At best, I can free up my comrades by leading two dos away from the fight. The 2 zeros continued to chase me for a long time. I decided to head across the lines and try to either bail or crashland on my side. The dogs continued to shot at me, missing most of the time but not all the time, slowly killing my buick.

Finally, I made it across the line and was in friendly territory again. My engine was all but dead, oil covering the canopy, and everything was red. I guess I had been hit. Well, the dogs finally caught up with me and took turns strafing me, one after the other. With landing flaps out, engine dead, they dealt their final blow, cutting my 3 ton buick in half and therefore killing me on impact.

Then they called me a "cheater". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I had cleared my teammates 6, just to watch him try to beat a dead horse for credit. Getting shot up, during my heroic actions, I was unable to fight with only half my controls and half my energy. I tried to make it back to my side of the war to save my team from losing a pilot and also to drag the enemy away.

Where's the cheating part?

Xiolablu pointed out what I had been missing from the game: people.

I guess I'll just wait until I'm in a friendlier, more civilised time-zone.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-05-2006, 08:39 PM
I guess that's why I spend so much time in this forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

bird_brain
08-05-2006, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
Design a historical campaign. That's gotta be time consuming!...
You're right about that... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

You could kill about 4 months of spare time that way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

rnzoli
08-06-2006, 01:20 AM
I guess I'll just wait until I'm in a friendlier, more civilised time-zone.
save yourself from disappointment, it's not the time-zone

only being in a squad, or flying with well-known players that makes the difference, so this problem you can only solve with more flying instead of more waiting. Don't stay in this dead-end street where so many quit IL2 (i.e., spending a lot of time polishing their own skills, only to find that it doesn't give back the expected return in social interaction.)

Xiola was (partly) wrong: what you miss is not just 'people'. You miss 'comrades' and the only way to get them is to look for them, organize them around you, or get yourself into their organization.

You have to make up your mind,whether you make this turn in your IL2 career, or let it die now.

Pirschjaeger
08-06-2006, 09:33 AM
I used to be in a Chinese squad called JG/54. These guys were pretty cool to fly with. They were also good. The game continued to develop but most couldn't keep their pc's up to date. The squad slowly dwindled away.

I started flying on JG/54 Arnie's server, EasternHotshots, but since they are in Holland and I am in China, the timezones created problems. I often found myself flying in an empty server. Too bad, they are good guys to fly with. They kept historically accurate planesets. The net connection was great. I experienced no lag. Funny thing, if I fly on a Chinese server the lag is so bad I'm am either kicked or I chase ufos. BTW, I'm in Beijing.

I've had invitations to join squadrons but due to the timezone difference I know I wouldn't be able to contribute to the squadron.

I'll probably get deeper into the game by learning to build missions and use bombers. Maybe I'll make skins.

Fritz

Chuck_Older
08-06-2006, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Xiolablu, in a pm, has pointed out the problem, even if it wasn't his intension.

I'll give an example. The last flight I flew was depressing enough to shut down my pc. I was flying 47' Art Deco Buick convertible (P47 bubble canopy). I looked below and saw a teammate being chewed up by two enemies. I dove down to assist and although I came in to fast and overshot, I managed to clear my bretheren. I lost too much E and therefore ended up in the same predicament as what my teammate had just escaped from. To add insult to injury, he was off chasing a flaming enemy, trying to get credit for someone else's kill.

Although the P47 can take a lot of hits, it has its limits. I lost half of my controls so I logically tried to run for it. Bailing was not an option since I was on the deck and can't swim anyway. At best, I can free up my comrades by leading two dos away from the fight. The 2 zeros continued to chase me for a long time. I decided to head across the lines and try to either bail or crashland on my side. The dogs continued to shot at me, missing most of the time but not all the time, slowly killing my buick.

Finally, I made it across the line and was in friendly territory again. My engine was all but dead, oil covering the canopy, and everything was red. I guess I had been hit. Well, the dogs finally caught up with me and took turns strafing me, one after the other. With landing flaps out, engine dead, they dealt their final blow, cutting my 3 ton buick in half and therefore killing me on impact.

Then they called me a "cheater". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I had cleared my teammates 6, just to watch him try to beat a dead horse for credit. Getting shot up, during my heroic actions, I was unable to fight with only half my controls and half my energy. I tried to make it back to my side of the war to save my team from losing a pilot and also to drag the enemy away.

Where's the cheating part?

Xiolablu pointed out what I had been missing from the game: people.

I guess I'll just wait until I'm in a friendlier, more civilised time-zone.

Fritz

They shot up your Buick?!?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/GSXray7sm.jpg

Divine-Wind
08-06-2006, 01:04 PM
Those bloody sons of biscuits! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

knightflyte
08-06-2006, 06:18 PM
Is that the Buick you've been working on for so long, Chuck? If so she's sweet. (ok she's sweet anyway, but you get the point http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Flying_Nutcase
08-06-2006, 11:23 PM
Pirsch,

You've been into Sturm forever. I can't believe that you haven't gotten into misson building. As good as the public missions and campaigns are, you're missing heaps of flexibility by depending on everyone else.

The Full Mission Builder will open a door to a whole new side of Sturmi. It's eezy peezy to get started. I beat you'll kick yourself when you see what you've been missing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

FourShades
08-07-2006, 01:59 AM
Pirsch,

The Golden Rule: DF's are simply practice for full-real coops!

Once you realise this, you are ready to take the next step in your development. Now, find a full-real coop war and get into it. Suddenly you will see what IL-2 is really all about.

have fun!

Cheers,
IV/JG7_4Shades

rnzoli
08-07-2006, 02:13 AM
These guys were pretty cool to fly with. They were also good. The game continued to develop but most couldn't keep their pc's up to date. The squad slowly dwindled away.

This is quite normal, all squads have a significant erosion in membership, so they constantly work on replenishment, recruiting, training etc.

Feathered_IV
08-07-2006, 03:46 AM
This is quite normal, all squads have a significant erosion in membership, so they constantly work on replenishment, recruiting, training etc.

Kind of simulates the real life death-rate of WW2 pilots dosen't it? A bit creepy really.

rnzoli
08-07-2006, 04:11 AM
Well, I don't know about the top 10 reasons for quitting IL2 (anybody making exit interviews? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ), but they aren't as bad as losing your comrades to the enemy or accidents IRL.

Usually getting married, the arrival of a child, moving on to an interesting assignment, etc. are repetitive reasons and they are good reasons. Also, if someone's PC cannot keep up with the game, the same person can show up at any time, after upgrading, so there is a 'comeback' possibility.

I think what could most closely simulate the losses is a DID online campaign, where a squad is forced to take on new recruits fast, to compensate the losses in the ongoing war.

But maybe I am just plain wrong.

Pirschjaeger
08-07-2006, 09:02 AM
Interesting points guys, especially the comparison between losing buddies in combat and losing buddies from our virtual squads. Take it a step further. When someone doesn't show up for a while they get marked as MIA. When they quit a squad they get marked as KIA. Immersion eh? You could actually go back over a squads records and read their history of losses.

About the mission building; can anyone read Russian written in English? I tried on a few occasions to read the manual but it seems to be so illogically written. Where is the list of keystrokes and commands? This is missing.

I'm not a dumby since I read real technical machine schematics, both in German and English. My choice reading is either medical, scientific, historical, or political. Reading is not a problem. It just seems to me that I need a couple bottles of vodka to catch the logic of the manual.

I believe mission building would be a breeze as long as you know the commands and possibilities. My favorite missions are those that require you to get airbourne asap due to a base attack.

A cool mission would be where you have to re-steal a captured plane(to keep technological secrets) from an enemy base at night. This would include starting it and taxiing to the runway and then having planes taking off and chasing you. Your goal is not to fight back but to avoid being shotdown long enough to reach your lines where another squadron is waiting just above the clouds in ambush. You must fly at night at tree top level over hilly or mountainous terrain. The only problem with this is that I believe Oleg gave all AI nightvision.

Fritz

Chuck_Older
08-07-2006, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
Is that the Buick you've been working on for so long, Chuck? If so she's sweet. (ok she's sweet anyway, but you get the point http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No no no, that's my buddy's 1970 Stage 1 GSX 4 speed (actually he sold it). They made 678 of them that year, the first year they were available. No convertible model GSX was ever made for sale although stories exist of one they made as a test

Mine's a 1970 convertible. They made 3954 examples of my car that year, and it's an 'early' '70, which is nothing but bragging rights. Looks almost exactly the same, essentially the same engine, etc. My car's not nearly as nice as that GSX; Ray took second place at a very large car show two years ago with that car

This was my car as it came back from the painter's 4 years ago:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/GS.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/passsidefinish1.jpg

the engine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/462new3.jpg

In 2004, the car was hit twice, rear ended (no damage to my car at all) and sideswiped (plenty of damage). I also wiped out two rod and one main bearing racing a Mustang Cobra. Sanctioned accelerating trials at a drag strip, of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif . I've repaired the engine but other things need to be worked on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Chuck_Older
08-07-2006, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

About the mission building; can anyone read Russian written in English? I tried on a few occasions to read the manual but it seems to be so illogically written. Where is the list of keystrokes and commands? This is missing.



Fritz

No http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif the manual is useless. Head on over to the Mission Builder's forum and check it out. You'll get the basics in no time

JG5_UnKle
08-07-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by FourShades:
Pirsch,

The Golden Rule: DF's are simply practice for full-real coops!



Word!

rnzoli
08-07-2006, 09:30 AM
A cool mission would be where you have to re-steal a captured plane(to keep technological secrets) from an enemy base at night. This would include starting it and taxiing to the runway and then having planes taking off and chasing you. Your goal is not to fight back but to avoid being shotdown long enough to reach your lines where another squadron is waiting just above the clouds in ambush. You must fly at night at tree top level over hilly or mountainous terrain. The only problem with this is that I believe Oleg gave all AI nightvision.

Apparently you are getting the point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif People tired of the monotony of dogfighting often invent similar missions for the sake of variety (another one was to fly unarmed planes from repair to another base, with only 1 armed escort fighter - and of course there was trouble waiting on the way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and guess what were the seasoned squad pilots fighting for - the unarmed slots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

I think you can do a mission like your idea, even in such way, that AAA/flak "wakes up" during your takeoff roll, so you have to dodge bullets as you become airborn. You could program the mission in such way, that small caliber guns start first, and larger guns open up only when you have gained some distance form the airfield. As regard to AI night vision, it doesn't matter for your idea, because the AI (except ace-level) is terribly cautious at low levels both day and night, so in fact it would be realistically behaving at night. You can also think of hosting the mission as coop, with human players in the 'chase team', now that would be lots of fun....especially on no-icon servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif (just imagine fighting planes with your own markings, only the tail numbers different - at night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)

Pirschjaeger
08-07-2006, 09:49 AM
Chuck, after seeing those pics of your car, I don't want to tell you what I was thinking of her. She's sweet. Be jealous, very jealous. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Rnzoli, I like the extra details you added. You could really have fun with that one, especially pretending to be your enemies wingman long enough to get to the ambush point. Turn the lights on at a certain location so your buddies could jump the enemy. If you turn you lights on at the wrong place and time, you're toast. Could be very interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BTW, in the past, I would sometimes join a df server with no ammo. Try it sometime. You'll be amazed at how good you'll be at catching someone's 6 and keeping it. Without having to concentrate on getting that shot, you can do wonders. It also drives the enemy pilots crazy. I love the psycological impact.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I first learnt this from a Chinese squadmate, JG/54 Blue. He'd get on my 6 when I thought nothing was around. He'd do it in a way that I could hear him but not see him. Hearing a plane and not seeing it is a bit of a spooky feeling on a df server. Finally, after doing some rolls and flexing the rudder, I'd see him, only 20m behind me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Then I'd start doing everything to lose him but he stay right there. I'd ask myself "Why the fu@k isn't he shooting?". Finally, after giving up trying to lose him, I'd fly straight. With a quick burst he'd remove my wing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I learnt a lot from Blue. I now conserve ammo as if I were Russian infantry, and use psycological tactics as if I were KGB. Not long after putting it into practice, I was always landing after multiple kills, with ammo left.

I need to grasp the E factor now.

BTW, when are you gonna start building the mission we've discussed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Fritz

rnzoli
08-07-2006, 10:01 AM
BTW, when are you gonna start building the mission we've discussed?

Go back to GD and see who started this thread.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ..you.
So do it, you will learn new things that will further fertilize your imagination and you will also have fun while test-flying your mission. Trust me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-07-2006, 10:11 AM
Hmmm, I thought my ploy was flawless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

erco415
08-07-2006, 10:28 AM
Wow! Your computer works long enough for you to get bored playing with it!?! That must be great...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-07-2006, 10:29 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Trust me, don't upgrade. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

shotdownski
08-07-2006, 10:44 AM
BTW, in the past, I would sometimes join a df server with no ammo. Try it sometime. You'll be amazed at how good you'll be at catching someone's 6 and keeping it. Without having to concentrate on getting that shot, you can do wonders. It also drives the enemy pilots crazy. I love the psycological impact.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Funny you mention this phenomenon. I was on Winds of War one night flying an I-16. Some guy "noobier" than I in another I-16 starts shooting at me. I waggle my wings and try to ID myself as a "friendly", but the knucklehead keeps attacking me. So I get the reversal and follow this nut all over the place from a close low six position. I really wanted to kill the guy, but didn't want to hurt the team. I know he hears my engine, but he doesn't know who, what, or where it's coming from. I wish I was that successful in keeping an enemy target in sight.

knightflyte
08-08-2006, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
Is that the Buick you've been working on for so long, Chuck? If so she's sweet. (ok she's sweet anyway, but you get the point http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No no no, that's my buddy's 1970 Stage 1 GSX 4 speed (actually he sold it). They made 678 of them that year, the first year they were available. No convertible model GSX was ever made for sale although stories exist of one they made as a test

Mine's a 1970 convertible. They made 3954 examples of my car that year, and it's an 'early' '70, which is nothing but bragging rights. Looks almost exactly the same, essentially the same engine, etc. My car's not nearly as nice as that GSX; Ray took second place at a very large car show two years ago with that car

This was my car as it came back from the painter's 4 years ago:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/GS.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/passsidefinish1.jpg

the engine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/462new3.jpg

In 2004, the car was hit twice, rear ended (no damage to my car at all) and sideswiped (plenty of damage). I also wiped out two rod and one main bearing racing a Mustang Cobra. Sanctioned accelerating trials at a drag strip, of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif . I've repaired the engine but other things need to be worked on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



That's still pretty sweet.....
I've always had a thing for the late 60's early 70's GM cars.

After that they got all boxie looking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Did you race up in Epping?

Chuck_Older
08-08-2006, 09:19 AM
No, not at Epping. We were on the Rte 128 International Dragway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-08-2006, 11:36 AM
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BTW, I like the 70' GTO. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Chuck_Older
08-08-2006, 12:03 PM
Ain't that one of them Pontiacs?

Pirschjaeger
08-08-2006, 12:15 PM
The 28th one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

knightflyte
08-15-2006, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
No, not at Epping. We were on the Rte 128 International Dragway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


LOL.
Where everyone comes out of the starting block all at once.