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Ronin1234_634
03-26-2006, 03:20 PM
What do you guys think is the best BF109 plane for a beginner?

Any idea of any other rookie planes while your at it?

ColoradoBBQ
03-26-2006, 03:51 PM
The Bf-109G2 without a doubt. Excellent handling with best thrust to weight ratio. Other beginner planes would be; La-5fn, La-7, Spitfire VIII, P-40, P-63 Kingcobra, MC205, and various others.

Pirschjaeger
03-26-2006, 04:25 PM
I'd suggest the F2. It's not very powerful and the guns suck, but get good in that and you'll be awesome in the G2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VW-IceFire
03-26-2006, 04:26 PM
I would agree...the Bf109G-2 is the best of the beginner aircraft in the 109 lineup. The Spitfire (any version), La-5 and La-7, or the A6M Zero (any version really) are other good beginner planes. I would disagree with the P-63 being a good beginner plane...its much harder to fly. MC.205 is somewhat unresponsive so it may not be the best one to try...mmmm...not too many others.

PBNA-Boosher
03-26-2006, 04:31 PM
I'd argue the best beginner plane to be flying is any one of the tri-wheel single engines, the P-63, the P-39. Those planes are finicky, their brakes aren't as good as some other planes, BUT, the radiator and engine management is easier, and it will teach you how to ride the stalls, use guns accurately, (especially that 37mm) and learn wing tactics. Furthermore, these planes are easier to land and easier to keep from prop striking. They also land hot, about 190-210 kph, I find, is the best speed to start flaring. Try it. Then move to your 109's.

109's try to kill you on take off and landing. You should master staying straight on the runway first before you try it. Also, once you learn to ride the stall in a 39, you'll find it a lot more enjoyable to ride the stall in a 109.

p-11.cAce
03-26-2006, 05:02 PM
What's wrong with the Emil? I think for a newbie plane it is relativly easy to handle and fun to fly.

ColoradoBBQ
03-26-2006, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I would agree...the Bf109G-2 is the best of the beginner aircraft in the 109 lineup. The Spitfire (any version), La-5 and La-7, or the A6M Zero (any version really) are other good beginner planes. I would disagree with the P-63 being a good beginner plane...its much harder to fly. MC.205 is somewhat unresponsive so it may not be the best one to try...mmmm...not too many others.

My choices are for good handling, manuverability and power. The MC.205 and the Kingcobra may not be the best turners, they are forgiving enough to throw around without stalling out. I would avoid using the late war spitfires though, they have a wicked stall if you're not easy on the stick.

ImpStarDuece
03-26-2006, 05:09 PM
F2 for sure.

If you can learn to shoot down planes in the F2 with just 2x 7.92 mm and 1 x 15mm, then you will do well in any other 109.

The handling is VERY good, if not quite as exceptional as the G2s and it and the F4 probably have the largest margin of performance superiority over planes from a similar period (Spitfire Vb/c, Yak 1, LaGG 3, P-40B/C).

While the 109G2 is better, so is its contemporary opposition (Spitfire IX, La-5, Yak-9, P-39D2)

arjisme
03-26-2006, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
What's wrong with the Emil? I think for a newbie plane it is relativly easy to handle and fun to fly. I think the Emil is a great choice, except for landings. I don't know about others, but I have a tough time landing it w/o bending a prop and/or flipping onto my back.

Ronin1234_634
03-26-2006, 05:55 PM
Alright guys thanks alot.

BrewsterPilot
03-26-2006, 09:57 PM
To learn how to fly Spitfire, try the MK VB

TheGozr
03-26-2006, 10:45 PM
E.F and G2 due to a better canopy view. it help to get use to the 109 serie.

WTE_Galway
03-26-2006, 11:02 PM
for just growling about down low sightseeing doing a few circuits and learning the controls and landing you cant beat the emil

providing you have a recent patched version of the game .. the early IL2 versions had no auto pitch on the emil (BoB style) and were hence a bit of a hand full, especially in a dive

WOLFMondo
03-27-2006, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I would agree...the Bf109G-2 is the best of the beginner aircraft in the 109 lineup. The Spitfire (any version), La-5 and La-7, or the A6M Zero (any version really) are other good beginner planes. I

I'd disagree on the La5 and La7. Learning to fly in those planes will give you bad habits, especially when learning air combat.

Pirschjaeger
03-27-2006, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
What's wrong with the Emil? I think for a newbie plane it is relativly easy to handle and fun to fly.

That`s exactly why I didn't suggest it. I don't recommend easy-to-fly planes for a few reasons.

first, too many get discouraged when it comes time to fly anything that requires extra skill.

second, because of the first, you limit your potential. Notice how La7(for example) pilots usually stick to La7's? Most other planes require skill. Many, not all, of those who start with noob planes tend to be eternal noob pilots. These are the guyz that constantly whine that the LW planes are "über". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The Emils are not the easiest of all planes to fly since they lack power but they do give a good punch. With lesser guns your aiming skills and target selection skills naturally must be better.

Never go for the noob planes when starting to fly. Proof is with the 190 and Jug flyers. When they are good, they are very good and they kick a lot of ash online. When you get good in one of these two planes, every other plane is simply nooby.

Pirschjaeger
03-27-2006, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
F2 for sure.

If you can learn to shoot down planes in the F2 with just 2x 7.92 mm and 1 x 15mm, then you will do well in any other 109.

The handling is VERY good, if not quite as exceptional as the G2s and it and the F4 probably have the largest margin of performance superiority over planes from a similar period (Spitfire Vb/c, Yak 1, LaGG 3, P-40B/C).

While the 109G2 is better, so is its contemporary opposition (Spitfire IX, La-5, Yak-9, P-39D2)

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Pirschjaeger
03-27-2006, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I would agree...the Bf109G-2 is the best of the beginner aircraft in the 109 lineup. The Spitfire (any version), La-5 and La-7, or the A6M Zero (any version really) are other good beginner planes. I

I'd disagree on the La5 and La7. Learning to fly in those planes will give you bad habits, especially when learning air combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Werd! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

With the noob planes you`ll always be the guy in the cockpit. You`ll depend mostly on the plane.

With the harder-to-fly planes, you'll learn skills and become a combat pilot.

In any server and any planes set, I always choose no 109 later than the G2 or I take the 190a4. This is when killing late war planes is most rewarding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kuna_
03-27-2006, 05:05 AM
I disagree with most what has been said here.
Some of you guys are full of propaganda.

Take the planes you think are noob crates go online on realistic server and try to not get killed and rack up at least 10:1 kill/death ratio.

Compare the expert and noob planes on that basis.
See in just how many of your so called n00b planes you can achieve that feat.

Phew.

And yes, to thread starter best overall Bf-109 from my PoV is probably Bf-109G10. Best user friendly are Friedrichs and Bf-109G2 and to some point Bf-109G6AS.

HellToupee
03-27-2006, 06:21 AM
n00b planes are totally dependant on the opposition they face. Whats the n00b plane in a mosquito vs 190 dogfight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. But as control wise ild rate the g2 as easyest to handle, next to no trim needed no complex cem. I wouldnt rate p39s p63s as n00b planes make one wrong move and u end up in an unrecoverable spin.

VW-IceFire
03-27-2006, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I would agree...the Bf109G-2 is the best of the beginner aircraft in the 109 lineup. The Spitfire (any version), La-5 and La-7, or the A6M Zero (any version really) are other good beginner planes. I

I'd disagree on the La5 and La7. Learning to fly in those planes will give you bad habits, especially when learning air combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't know...I admittedly started in the La-7. I then progressed through the Bf109K-4 and then strangely enough from there onto the P-47 (remember how bad it was) and FW190. The La-7 gives you that power to weight advantage which means you can recover quickly from your mistakes...and as a newbie you make lots of them. The centerline guns teach you to be shooting accurately or not at all as the guns run out.

I don't fly the La-7 all that well any more. I always get killed in it...I do much better in the FW190 and the Tempest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brain32
03-27-2006, 08:37 AM
I don't know how anybody can consider 109 a noob plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif IMO it's one of the most demanding planes to fight and even harder to survive in, you will be outturned by Spit's or La's for sure, you can't BnZ efficiently because of the stiffness, guns are nothing special(OK mk108 is brutal but low ammo and bad ballistics negate it IMO) that plane is a death trap for me. It has an edge only low down vs P51 or Tempest, and P47 stupid enough to go vertical with you. As for begginer 109's IMO F4,G2 and G6AS are the choices, actually you will not see me flying any other model...

WOLFMondo
03-27-2006, 08:49 AM
The BF109 looses some of its historical problems in this sim i.e. there isn't as much head in cockpit time as its real life counterpart and I don't think it has enough torque which makes it easier to fly. The F4 IMHO is the nicest of the lot and a nice plane to learn in.


Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The La-7 gives you that power to weight advantage which means you can recover quickly from your mistakes...and as a newbie you make lots of them.

Thats one of the reasons I think its bad. The plane makes up for any lack of skill on the part of the pilot.

The Tigermoth was said to be the perfect trainer because it was easy to fly but very difficult to master. The La7 is easy to fly and very easy to master. I guess the P40's are easy to fly but hard to master, IMHO anyway.

Pirschjaeger
03-27-2006, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Kuna_:
I disagree with most what has been said here.
Some of you guys are full of propaganda.

propaganda? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kune, this is an opinion thread. You'll notice some will call the 109 a noob plane while others will say you need a lot of practice. This thread can be nothing more than opinions based on personal experiences. Or did I miss something? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Originally posted by Kuna_:Take the planes you think are noob crates go online on realistic server and try to not get killed and rack up at least 10:1 kill/death ratio.

I've done this. I normally flew a 109 or 190 but when I decided to jump in a Spit or an La7, my kill ratio went up.



Originally posted by Kuna_:Compare the expert and noob planes on that basis.
See in just how many of your so called n00b planes you can achieve that feat.

Phew.

Spit, La, Yak, ,... that's 3 and many more if you count the various models. One pilot`s noob plane is another pilot's mother-in-law.

Having bad day Kune? No worries, days are short. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BrewsterPilot
03-27-2006, 11:14 AM
P-40M=Killing machine better than LA-7 if used right!

danjama
03-27-2006, 11:29 AM
I must admit P40's really are nice birds, and i think not to "noobish" for lack of a better word, and not too hard to fly either. A good plane to learn in. If you start on a P40, you will appreciate better planes as your skill progress, for example bigger cannons, better climb and better high altitude performance, all of which the P40 sucks at to various extents.

The P47 is very difficult to learn in. I once tried to teach a new guy to fly it as his first plane, he was in love with it as a boy, but guess what he did:

quit the game. Never saw him again after 3 days of learning. I dont know if there is a link there or if he just list interest but he seemed keen. I wouldnt suggest the P47 to learn in, its a beast! Plus theres the nasties of learning trim and pitch and other horrible habits that the energy planes exhibit(that are unbelievable to some, but correct).

Anyway, back On topic, if i would suggest any 109 to learn in, it would be either the 109F2/4 or the G6 series, MAYBE the K's, but not preferably. Reason being, the G6's are not the most easy to fly and not the toughest, they have nice characteristics that round off the 109 series IMO. The F's also have pro's and con's. The K's are not recommended because of the 108's, but it's also a very heavy plane, meaning that you do have to learn how to use it to its advantages.

Stackhouse25th
03-27-2006, 11:34 AM
Fly the E-4 with 50% fuel....i recommend it to my entire squadron. the cockpit is simple

hugohugo37
03-27-2006, 12:04 PM
My favorite is the F4 also, just to chime in.

I think the 109 is difficult for a noob to land. It's really easy to bounce up and crash down breaking the gear off if you are not careful. I find that it is a little easier to land if you use takeoff flaps and come in a little faster if you are having trouble.

I find the P-47 on of the easier planes to land.

faustnik
03-27-2006, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna_:
I disagree with most what has been said here.
Some of you guys are full of propaganda.


Having bad day Kune? No worries, days are short. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kuna is right. A lot of people will say "my kill ratio goes way up when I fly "the other guy's a/c". It's pure garbage, and one of the weakest claims made in these forums. All of the a/c have their strengths and weaknesses.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-27-2006, 12:39 PM
The original question was "Best beginner 109"?

I'd have to agree with the F2 or F4 with the E4 close behind. While the Emil has a pair of 20mm's, it has a relatively small ammo load and will teach ammo conservation as well as some gunnery. The low-powered engine also gives a slightly better 'feel' of the flight characteristics of your plane IMO.

So, La7's, P-40's aside, the best beginner 109's are the earlier models.


TB

slipBall
03-27-2006, 01:39 PM
Gentlemen, the man has a interest in the 109, that's what he was asking for advice on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif BF109 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif If you really want to learn how to fly one of the best fighter's ever built,(and you did ask about the 109) start with the 109E4, learn her well. Only then will you be able to judge the improvement's in latter model's. I still fly the E4 most of the time, I want to stay in shape for BOB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Galway
03-27-2006, 09:23 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
The BF109 looses some of its historical problems in this sim i.e. there isn't as much head in cockpit time as its real life counterpart and I don't think it has enough torque which makes it easier to fly. QUOTE]


Actually the 109's from the original IL2 and even early Forgotten Battles were much more of a handful than they are now.

You even got posts in these forums asking how to get the 109 to takeoff without rolling over http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There were allegations at the time that Oleg had "dumbed down" teh 109's to improve teh mass market appeal of the game but that seems unlikely.

WOLFMondo
03-28-2006, 02:00 AM
Oleg gets all sorts of unfounded allegations though.

I remember the 109E in the original IL2, my first ever flight was in one, I couldn't even go into a gentle banking manouver without stalling it and sending it into a spin.

danjama
03-28-2006, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Oleg gets all sorts of unfounded allegations though.

I remember the 109E in the original IL2, my first ever flight was in one, I couldn't even go into a gentle banking manouver without stalling it and sending it into a spin.

The original FM was much harder i think, in some respects at least. I remember dogfighting P39's in an Emil, it was very dofficult to manuever with them, and vice versa. P39's were a ***** to fly back then! Truly a Great game though.

Pirschjaeger
03-28-2006, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna_:
I disagree with most what has been said here.
Some of you guys are full of propaganda.


Having bad day Kune? No worries, days are short. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kuna is right. A lot of people will say "my kill ratio goes way up when I fly "the other guy's a/c". It's pure garbage, and one of the weakest claims made in these forums. All of the a/c have their strengths and weaknesses. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, they have their strengths and weaknesses but don't you think it's somewhat strange, to say the least, to claim someone's experience is "garbage"?

When I'm in an "arcadish"(just wanna kill) mood I fly the La5,7, Yak, or a Spit. Compare flying these to the early 109's or the 190a4. I like to TnB so what else would you expect other than an improved kill ratio? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Pirschjaeger
03-28-2006, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Gentlemen, the man has a interest in the 109, that's what he was asking for advice on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif BF109 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif If you really want to learn how to fly one of the best fighter's ever built,(and you did ask about the 109) start with the 109E4, learn her well. Only then will you be able to judge the improvement's in latter model's. I still fly the E4 most of the time, I want to stay in shape for BOB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Reread the first post. He asked two questions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I missed the second question also, when I first read it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
03-28-2006, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
Kuna is right. A lot of people will say "my kill ratio goes way up when I fly "the other guy's a/c". It's pure garbage, and one of the weakest claims made in these forums. All of the a/c have their strengths and weaknesses.

I don't think anyone mentioned what you two guys are getting at here. If anything on some servers its the guys in the La7's that get the worst K/D ratios because there yanking and banking on the deck and thats all they do. Yes they get allot of kills but they also get allot of deaths.

The problem with the La7, IMHO why its not a good plane to learn in is it will make mistakes easy to recover from and you will always rely on the aircrafts superior performance to get out of a situation, usually by pulling the stick back because nothing can turn with it. That will not teach you anything of any worth in any other aircraft other than the La7 because thats the only plane that can do what the La7 can do.

My K/D ratio with it is terrible, the wings come off too quickly at high speed and its sluggish above 400mph.

SnapdLikeAMutha
03-28-2006, 07:05 AM
There's two schools of thought here

The first seems to be that a good beginner plane is one in which it is easy for a n00b to get kills in - in which case the answer would probably be a Spit, Ki84 or one of the late-war VVS hotrods

The second seems to be that a good beginner plane is one in which a n00b will learn good habits and piloting skills - in which case the answer would be one of the less user friendly planes like the P47, P51, F4U, FW190 or Ki61 for example.

I guess it depends on what you wants from the sim - instant gratification or long term immersion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Don't have anything else to add except that I've introduced one friend to the sim and he pretty much exclusively flies the...He111 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Irish_Rogues
03-28-2006, 10:02 AM
My thoughts after getting back into flight sims after a very long time away is a forgiving hot rod is better to learn in. There is nothing more frustrating then stalling and spinning everytime you touch the controls, much better to actually be able to "fly" for a little while. Just like in real life when you take lessons, they don't throw you in the hardest plane to fly and say "have at kid". Bad habits are better to have, then not even a clue, as habits can be fixeds. Once you actually have a feel for what your doing, then move up to something more demanding. I actually had to turn the stall switch off for several sessions until it started to come back to me.

Slightly off-topic, I've noticed that some of the hot rods that used to be my favorites "back in the day" still have a familar feel.

Kuna_
03-28-2006, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
When I'm in an "arcadish"(just wanna kill) mood I fly the La5,7, Yak, or a Spit. Compare flying these to the early 109's or the 190a4.

When you are in arcadish mood fly on serious server. See how long you will last with your arcadish wanna kill approach. Just do a test.
I can't say it better than this and if you still make fun of this PoV it's not my fault.


I like to TnB so what else would you expect other than an improved kill ratio? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I reckon that TnB wont do much on Spit vs. Bf-109s or WarClouds, but hey you're always welcome to prove otherwise.

WOLFMondo
03-28-2006, 01:44 PM
The tnb'ers always get picked off by fast moving Fockes and Thunderbolts.

pourshot
03-28-2006, 02:21 PM
I think the early 109€s are the best planes to learn in, they don€t snap stall unless you want them too and are not over powered but still climb fast. They can turn tight and at the same are nimble in the vertical. Also they can be flown right on the stall and still be under total control, that ease of control will be a bigger help to a new guy than horse power or big guns particularly when landing

I really don€t see how you can go wrong by learning in one of the E/F or G2 109€s
I personally think in the early war games that the G2 is the best going around hell it€s so good a lot of people fly it in 44/45 servers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HayateAce
03-28-2006, 03:29 PM
Really, jump in ANY Fb109 for easy kills. Self-respecting pilots have long sworn off and labeled the 109 series as Klown Wagon rides.

MLudner
03-28-2006, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
What's wrong with the Emil? I think for a newbie plane it is relativly easy to handle and fun to fly.

It's a little twitchier than the F's and early G's.

The F2 and F4 are the best aerodynamic variants of the 109. Start with those.

Divine-Wind
03-28-2006, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The La-7 gives you that power to weight advantage which means you can recover quickly from your mistakes...and as a newbie you make lots of them.

Thats one of the reasons I think its bad. The plane makes up for any lack of skill on the part of the pilot.

The Tigermoth was said to be the perfect trainer because it was easy to fly but very difficult to master. The La7 is easy to fly and very easy to master. I guess the P40's are easy to fly but hard to master, IMHO anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have to agree, the Warhawk is a little tough to master dogfighting in (especially with less than 25 seconds worth of ammo), but it feels pretty good to knock something out with it. A pretty nice bird to learn flying in, pretty stable, but not too stable to keep you from learning any more.

As for 109's, I have to go with either the F2, or the G2. Anything later is a beast to learn flying with, even if they have some pretty good guns.

Fighterduck
03-29-2006, 10:01 AM
cant use p-40 in combat...i never used fighters ( triyng to learn) but for me p-40,p-51 and corsair are the most difficult to fly...really easy to stall with them..i feel those planes unstables for me.Russian planes are awesome..really easy to fly and have better low speed manouvrability..for me Mig3 and japanese Zero are the best.easy to fly and they forgive you a lot of mistakes.But this is from my point of view.

danjama
03-29-2006, 10:11 AM
Newsflash...P40 stalls easily http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sorry Tul couldnt resist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BrewsterPilot
03-29-2006, 10:20 AM
Don't spam Danny or the moderators might get angry. . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

danjama
03-29-2006, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Don't spam Danny or the moderators might get angry. . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Sorry you talkin to me? No danny's here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BrewsterPilot
03-29-2006, 10:36 AM
Oh, I'm ssoooo sorry! I forgot the "-Boy" part!

Divine-Wind
03-29-2006, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
Newsflash...P40 stalls easily http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sorry Tul couldnt resist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif


Originally posted by Fighterduck:
cant use p-40 in combat...i never used fighters ( triyng to learn) but for me p-40,p-51 and corsair are the most difficult to fly...really easy to stall with them..i feel those planes unstables for me.Russian planes are awesome..really easy to fly and have better low speed manouvrability..for me Mig3 and japanese Zero are the best.easy to fly and they forgive you a lot of mistakes.But this is from my point of view.
If you adjust your stick settings (via in game or with a 3rd party program), it helps alot. A whole lot. Like about this much: *spreads arms apart*

Fighterduck
03-29-2006, 11:27 AM
i'm using airwarfare joystick setting...it's the best i could find.Before the joy was too sensitive and it was impossible to aim.But also now..p-40 and the other plane i described above are too "hard" to fly for me.I suck in dogfight..but with those birds...I REALLY suck! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Hunter
03-29-2006, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
Really, jump in ANY Fb109 for easy kills. Self-respecting pilots have long sworn off and labeled the 109 series as Klown Wagon rides.

Wanna have a match Hayababy?

You in a the killer Fb109 and me in a contemporary english/us/german/russian plane?
Or are you as shy as you seem to be stupid?

Just asking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

joeap
03-29-2006, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by JG53Hunter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
Really, jump in ANY Fb109 for easy kills. Self-respecting pilots have long sworn off and labeled the 109 series as Klown Wagon rides.

Wanna have a match Hayababy?

You in a the killer Fb109 and me in a contemporary english/us/german/russian plane?
Or are you as shy as you seem to be stupid?

Just asking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He ain't shy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif