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Patriot_Act
02-21-2008, 02:16 AM
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This bird gets little press.
Depending on the model it had twice the range
and twice the payload of a C-47.
It was also a bit faster and had far better performance
at higher altitudes.

Arguably the c-46 is the best transport aircraft of WWII.
But the C-47 gets all the credit.

Only area where the C-47 out shone the C-46 was
in paratroop drops. It was much better suited to the task.
Oh yes, and in sheer numbers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.A.

M_Gunz
02-21-2008, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Patriot_Act:
This bird gets little press.
Depending on the model it had twice the range
and twice the payload of a C-47.
It was also a bit faster and had far better performance
at higher altitudes.

Arguably the c-46 is the best transport aircraft of WWII.
But the C-47 gets all the credit.

Only area where the C-47 out shone the C-46 was
in paratroop drops. It was much better suited to the task.
Oh yes, and in sheer numbers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.A.

Remember that Curtiss was Curtiss-Wright. Through Wright they had several basic patents that
just about everyone making aircraft had violated. There were court cases before and some bad
blood over it not waved around much but still there. A lot of thieves vs one Wright brother,
guess which way that went not just in court but in the rumors and industry 'politics'?

Just don't say "It ain't fair." cause the answer to that is a tautology.

Patriot_Act
02-21-2008, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Patriot_Act:
This bird gets little press.
Depending on the model it had twice the range
and twice the payload of a C-47.
It was also a bit faster and had far better performance
at higher altitudes.

Arguably the c-46 is the best transport aircraft of WWII.
But the C-47 gets all the credit.

Only area where the C-47 out shone the C-46 was
in paratroop drops. It was much better suited to the task.
Oh yes, and in sheer numbers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.A.

Remember that Curtiss was Curtiss-Wright. Through Wright they had several basic patents that
just about everyone making aircraft had violated. There were court cases before and some bad
blood over it not waved around much but still there. A lot of thieves vs one Wright brother,
guess which way that went not just in court but in the rumors and industry 'politics'?

Just don't say "It ain't fair." cause the answer to that is a tautology. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Curtiss built airplanes.
Wright was the engine division.

Before the merger the Wrights sued Glenn Curtiss over patent infringement.
Curtiss argued the Wrights had no clear patent on the flying machine.
Glenn Curtiss won in a very dirty fight.
In hindsight the wright patents were about as binding as the Selden patents
on the automobile.
Not enforceable.

But George B. Selden was granted the first patent for a automobile.
He filed for a patent on May 8, 1879
Selden was challenged and defeated in court by Henry Ford.

P.A.

mortoma
02-21-2008, 09:05 PM
Yeah but they didn't make nearly as many of them as the C-47. That is why they got all the press, in comparison there were only a handful of C-46s. And I think it came out a lot later in the war than the Douglas did too. Somtime in mid 1942, IIRC. And although 3,000 were made for the military, some of those were not made until after the war and sereved in Korea. They made a lot more C-47s and they were in service nearly from the onset of the war.

VW-IceFire
02-21-2008, 09:19 PM
These were used mostly for the resupply of troops in China right? Thats the only photos I think I've seen of them during WWII. Post war you see them a bit more.

C-47 has outlasted almost everything else. Its still used in active service in a variety of places...not too many aircraft are that old and that well used. Thats probably contributing to its amazing reputation.

flakwagen
02-21-2008, 10:25 PM
I remember attending an air show that featured two C46 Commandos- one in olive drab and one in it's natural metal finish. They look quite huge in person. Curiously enough, I've never seen a C47 in working order- only static museum displays.

Flak

Patriot_Act
02-22-2008, 03:29 AM
C-46 was ready before Pearl Harbor was bombed.
It never became a really high priority compared
to the Curtiss P-40.
Thousands of C-46s were built and served in the
critical "Hump" supply missions to China where a C-47 simply could not operate safely or with a worthwhile payload.

First flight for a C-46 was in April 1940.

Quotes below from the USAF Museum site.

"The first C-46 was delivered to the Air Corps in the summer of 1942."

"The C-46 was developed from the new and unproven commercial aircraft design, the CW-20, which first flew in March 1940. Deliveries of AAF C-46s began in July 1942 for the Air Transport Command and Troop Carrier Command. During World War II, the USAAF accepted 3,144 C-46s for hauling cargo and personnel and for towing gliders. Of this total, 1,410 were C-46Ds."

Warbird Alley says over 50 C-46s are still airworthy.
Since many are in service in foreign military service
to this day and most are still flying commercial
the number is hard to pin down.

Safe to say 50+ is more like 75-100.

The C-46 had one major disadvantage to the C-47.
It needed ground equipment to load and unload heavy freight.
A C-47 was lower slung and was more easily accessed.

P.A.

Aaron_GT
02-22-2008, 06:07 AM
The C-54 also got used a lot, but is now largely forgotten.

The one I like is the C-45 (aka Beechcraft Model 18). There are some very nice versions for FS2004 and X-Plane.