PDA

View Full Version : Oleg is it true that when PF comes out...



Prof.Wizard
07-07-2004, 05:22 PM
...all patch/update development at IL-2:FB/ACE will stop once and for all, as it has happened with the original IL-2 when Forgotten Battles came out?

As a buyer of the original IL-2 I was less than happy to rush and buy FB once it came out especially when it was supposed to be at first an add-on pack and not another product. I wouldn't want to see this story repeated... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Many planes are still missing from the European theater from all sides, I would really love to see more updates for Forgotten Battles in the future...

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Prof.Wizard
07-07-2004, 05:22 PM
...all patch/update development at IL-2:FB/ACE will stop once and for all, as it has happened with the original IL-2 when Forgotten Battles came out?

As a buyer of the original IL-2 I was less than happy to rush and buy FB once it came out especially when it was supposed to be at first an add-on pack and not another product. I wouldn't want to see this story repeated... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Many planes are still missing from the European theater from all sides, I would really love to see more updates for Forgotten Battles in the future...

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

LeadSpitter_
07-07-2004, 05:31 PM
dont worry about it prof, many of us are staying in FB/AEP if thats the case.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif

LEXX_Luthor
07-07-2004, 05:43 PM
Every day I become more entranced with the Poland+France addon for BoB.


ATvidia volunteer paying Beta Tester:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As a buyer of the original IL-2 I was less than happy to rush and buy FB once it came out especially when it was supposed to be at first an add-on pack and not another product. I wouldn't want to see this story repeated...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sell your beta video card and use the money to buy 10 FB CD's.



__________________
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Prof.Wizard
07-07-2004, 11:49 PM
I hope you're right LeadSpitter. There is still much to add to the Forgotten Battles scene to abandon it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Mispunt
07-08-2004, 01:58 AM
Ok guys, brace for this... it's a comercial product, Oleg with Maddox Games and 1C are in it for the money. Just as UBI is.
It is not a charity institution because they have to pay for their employees and like all employees they occasionaly want a payrise for christmass as well.
What I'm trying to say is that development for IL2 FB will stop at some point. And that, looking at the free updates, Maddox games have gone far beyond what can be expected from any developer. So when they decide to charge you for an update but later up the price because it's going to be a standalone, just try to think of any game (like FB) that gave you more of your money's worth. Regardless of how much you might dislike the (really quite unusual) motivation of marketing forces behind it.
And no one forces you to buy it anyway, there are still IL2 and FB servers out there if you think you're being short handed.

http://www.tmeier.org/LockOn_Upload/store/MisSig.jpg

bazzaah2
07-08-2004, 05:53 AM
mispunt, why I'm shocked!

Are you really trying to tell me that, as a commercial enterprise, 1C might need to generate cash-flow and profit from its IP? I thought once I'd paid ‚£25 3 years ago for Il2 that any subsequent developments would be completely free of charge.

I never realised that such things are possible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_05.gif

Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 06:01 AM
Let me rephrase it, many European customers (ehm, including myself) are not wetting their pants about the imminent release of Pacific Fighters just because... we're not interested in that theater of war.

But I still believe there are many friends of mine (look at them as customers) that will be persuaded to jump onto the IL2:FB/ACE backwagon if they see development is still continuing and the game is not "old" even after 2 years after its release. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Updates are doing a global good to 1C. If they continue supporting IL2 then yes they make customers (like me) happy and yes I'll buy their Pacific Fighters even if I'm not thrilled. On the other hand if they "abandon" me as they did with the original IL2 which I rushed to be 3 years ago (that's how this Ubi-fora account was created) then... to hell with them! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Call it a whine, call it a pledge... I think it's normal for me to feel like this.

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

[This message was edited by Prof.Wizard on Thu July 08 2004 at 05:12 AM.]

bazzaah2
07-08-2004, 06:15 AM
I'll buy it just for the sea views.

Personally, I'm looking forward to it and hope that it'll be something fresh and fun to tide people over until the release of BoB.

And don't forget that many Brits/Aussies etc fought and died in that theatre as well. My old biology teacher (lovely man) was a POW (showing my age) and survived the building of the bridge over the river Kwai; I'm personally very interested in that theatre.

I just hope it won't be limited to the US/Jap side of things.

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_05.gif

Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

Monson74
07-08-2004, 06:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

I just hope it won't be limited to the US/Jap side of things.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It won't - there'll be Dutch & British campaigns too (& if we lobby for it maybe a Chinese?)

S!

Monson


"The Zerst√¬∂rers will form an offensive circle." - G√¬∂ring

bazzaah2
07-08-2004, 06:46 AM
that could be interesting - would be good to have a Burma map as well.

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_05.gif

Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

bazzaah2
07-08-2004, 06:46 AM
that could be interesting - would be good to have a Burma map as well.

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_05.gif

Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 07:25 AM
Guys... please let's not lose the real question behind this thread! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

bazzaah2
07-08-2004, 07:52 AM
Just to recap then, some people will buy PF, some will not.

Like Mispunt, I fail to see how you feel abandoned by 1C. FB's a commercial product - Oleg and team have chosen to make a living by writing software. It is your choice as to whether you remunerate 1C's efforts by purchasing their products. Be happy with the free stuff you've got and be happy as well that you're playing a role in keeping the whole shooting match going with your hard earned when new variants come out. I guess I'm 'brand loyal' so will def. be buying PF.

If you feel that 1C is under any form of obligation to provide further support to FB/AEP, then do please say. AFAIK 1c is a small outfit - wth PF and BoB coming up, they'll be hard pressed to give FB any real priority come release of PF. Just my 0.02 and may be wrong. Let's see.

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_05.gif

Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

Mispunt
07-08-2004, 07:59 AM
Hi Prof, I think that UBI (and Maddox Games) are faced with the law of diminishing returns. At a certain point you're just not going to get enough returns on it to warrant any further development. Also UBI are in a reasonably strong position, there just isn't that much competition out there and as long as they can continue to maintain this level of quality in future releases people WILL buy it. So they can get away with pi$$ing off a few old skool IL2 fans or potential new customers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And maybe is a fortunate side to an unfortunate situation, because the market isn't very big. If IL2's market share where smaller UBI might simply have given up on IL2 a long time ago. Who knows what would have happened with the franchise then. I'm not to keen to find out, I'm just happy with what we've got already.
Basically, there just isn't any room for sentiments in game development anymore, unfortunately.


@ Bazzaah2: there will also be Ozzy and Kiwi campaigns too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(Edit: ooh er.. campaigns? let's just say there'll be Ozzies and Kiwis in the game)

And I am thrilled with the inclusion of the Dutch (even though we got one royal a** wooping over there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

http://www.tmeier.org/LockOn_Upload/store/MisSig.jpg

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bazzaah2:

If you feel that 1C is under any form of obligation to provide further support to FB/AEP, then do please say.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Roger that, (to recap) just consider it as my official rant: I do want to continue seeing official aircraft updates - game engine patches after the release of PF!

That's all, hope Oleg responds as well. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

LEXX_Luthor
07-08-2004, 09:54 AM
Prof.Wizard:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I do want to continue seeing official aircraft<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But if you don't get all free planes, then you abandon FB.

To recap, sell your beta test video card, and buy ten FB CD's.

__________________
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
But if you don't get all free planes, then you abandon FB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh Luthor, your ability to jump into threads and irritate people with stupid or unconclusive remarks is amazing. Now WTF did I say I will abandon FB? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

I said, I won't be buying PF if 1C abandons Forgotten Battles. I won't quit FB because they will stop updates, it will just be a negative "experience" to take into account before investing on Pacific Fighters.

Read the thread and respond accordingly, dude, or else you make a fool of yourself. Putting words into my mouth is not making you a funny pal.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
To recap, sell your beta test video card, and buy ten FB CD's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh jee, you're really funny, not only you put words in my mouth now you add equipment to my PC as well... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif
I don't have any super-elite hacked latest model beta test videocard as you imply, dude, rather the opposite: an oldie GeForceFX 5200, not the best (or the most expensive) option to run the game and definitely not an ultra performer.

Some guys here are pretty trigger-happy here, I'm not demanding from 1C to provide future patches, I'm only asking/pledging the right way not to forget about the FB/ACE platform cause it has much still to offer (what about an ACE2 add-on?)...

Luthor go try to be funny in another thread. You are smoked in mine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

dux-1
07-08-2004, 10:19 AM
I would buy an "AEP/FB 2" expansion for FB with updated engine and more planes relative to the theatre.. Like Prof I'm not interested in the Pac .. done too many times and quite boring (for me..)
S!

LeadSpitter_
07-08-2004, 10:28 AM
Lexx Im definatly looking forward to the france poland campaign for BOB. The shots I seen dont really look like BOB quality that ubi produced but more like FBs aircraft taken fromt he original il2 sturmovik. 190 109s p39 and many russian ac. Alot of the ac we have now bf110 j8m ki84 and i185 are amazing quality.

If bob has that quality I would be happy. I still love the other planes that dont match the quality of the best looking modeling inside and out. Because they are flyable and to me that matters most. Im hoping BOB planes to have no ai only aircraft only flyable. Non flyable should be a thing of the past.

Theres so many great aircraft in fb twin seaters medium bombers and fighters. I would definatly like to see them flyable.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Non flyable should be a thing of the past.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmm, definitely one of the reasons patches/updates about Forgotten Battles have to continue. I would love to have working B17 or Me210 model!

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

crazyivan1970
07-08-2004, 10:50 AM
I`m sure that AEP will be supported for a while, there are couple of long awaited planes near completion and i doubt that O.M. will drop support. I just hope that merge of PF and AEP will happen one way or another. But that`s up to UBI.

V!
Regards,

http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/smokin.gif

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/coop-ivan.jpg

http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/vfc/home.htm

Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

LeadSpitter_
07-08-2004, 11:03 AM
I defintly see how hard it is to get a bomber like the b17 flyable and how much work it requires.

I also see how useless human gunners are compaired to ai, and side gunners on the he111 you can fly hundreds of missions and not be able to get a kill with the side gunners.

while its nice to have the ability to toggle to them the ammount of work put into them is not worth it for a not very functional gun. becuase we dont have the ability to lean.

I would eb happy to see nose gunner, bombadier ,top bottom turrents and tail gunner to make the b17 flyable, even the side gunners wouldnt be that bad making one side station and mirroring it would save lots of time.

Im more interested in seeing the twin seaters, bi plane and single seat fighters made flyable. I do want to see some heavys flyable but for these small maps long range high alt bomb runs are not really possible, you cant even see then ground or ground items past 7000m

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif

609IAP_Recon
07-08-2004, 11:10 AM
personally. I want the bomber addon more than I want PF.

Course, I've been begging for flyable bombers for quite awhile.

I do think med bombers make more sense in this game.

Salute!

Recon

Forgotten Skies (http://www.forgottenskies.com)

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I`m sure that AEP will be supported for a while, there are couple of long awaited planes near completion and i doubt that O.M. will drop support. I just hope that merge of PF and AEP will happen one way or another. But that`s up to UBI.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the response, Ivan! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

LEXX_Luthor
07-08-2004, 02:33 PM
Prof, Nvida 5200? mmm, I stand corrected. I was thinking of those who buy a 300$ card and Whine about the cost of software, and these 300$ cards are all really pubic Beta test cards.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As a buyer of the original IL-2 I was less than happy to rush and buy FB once it came out especially when it was supposed to be at first an add-on pack and not another product.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You set yourself up for looking really...small.

__________________
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Prof, Nvida 5200? mmm, I stand corrected. I was thinking of those who buy a 300$ card and Whine about the cost of software, and these 300$ cards are all really pubic Beta test cards.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Definitely not me.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
You set yourself up for looking really...small.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't care how I look to... you. I care how I felt about buying a piece of software that was less than a year later substituted by the same piece of software plus some added functionality and stuff that should have come at the first place (dynamic campaign, etc.).

I didn't like it when the original IL2 was abandoned as I won't like it if with the release of PF, FB stops having updates.

Fortunately, Ivan gave me hope. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

BinaryFalcon
07-08-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Let me rephrase it, many European customers (ehm, including myself) are not wetting their pants about the imminent release of Pacific Fighters just because... we're not interested in that theater of war.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In all fairness, I'd suggest giving it a try. Prior to IL-2, I had no idea I'd be interested in playing on the Russian front, but we all know how that turned out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Prof.Wizard
07-08-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BinaryFalcon:
In all fairness, I'd suggest giving it a try. Prior to IL-2, I had no idea I'd be interested in playing on the Russian front, but we all know how that turned out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Haha,
oh well... You see me here whine but I know me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I will buy it once it comes out the same day.

STILL THOUGH: My pledge is for a continuous parallel development of FB/ACE as well. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

WereSnowleopard
07-08-2004, 08:22 PM
I bet that IL2's engine is real old now as Oleg may use new engine for BOB so maybe he may create BOB's PF next year if BOB become great sucessful as IL2 may become older stuff as become past thing like 1991's SWOTL that we go crazy over it but now it is too funky to us in 2004. Yes, I am afriad that IL2 soon to be one of other "SWOTL" as BOB take over sky. Image that Lucas Art only give one plane addition each season as Oleg did wonderful thing to is by give us 10 to 20 extra planes addition each time.

Cheers
Snowleopard

Prof.Wizard
07-09-2004, 01:19 AM
Yeah fair enough. BoB will rock, when it comes... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Mispunt
07-09-2004, 02:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:

I care how I felt about buying a piece of software that was less than a year later substituted by the same piece of software plus some added functionality and stuff that should have come at the first place (dynamic campaign, etc.).

I didn't like it when the original IL2 was abandoned as I won't like it if with the release of PF, FB stops having updates.

Fortunately, Ivan gave me hope. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How many games do you still play after almost a year? How is another 30 quid almost a year later a ripoff? I know why it is though, it's because we've been spoilt by the steady releasing of free addons.
Where does it say on the box "comes with free updates for the next two years"? Hell, some games would charge you a monthly subscription fee for that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.tmeier.org/LockOn_Upload/store/MisSig.jpg

WOLFMondo
07-09-2004, 04:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
dont worry about it prof, many of us are staying in FB/AEP if thats the case.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/LSIG1.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't agree more. I really hope that PF and IL2:FB Aces are intergrated and not 2 seperate sims.

Besides, I want to take a Corsair out and see how it does vs FW190's and BF109's and vice versa.

http://bill.nickdafish.com/sig/mondo.jpg
Wolfgaming.net. Where the Gameplay is teamplay (http://www.wolfgaming.net)
Home of WGNDedicated

[This message was edited by WOLFMondo on Fri July 09 2004 at 04:45 AM.]

Prof.Wizard
07-09-2004, 05:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mispunt:
How many games do you still play after almost a year?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Few to none. You still don't get it, do you? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
The games I play for more than a year are those same games that get updates/patches from the producer or an extremely active modding community.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
How is another 30 quid almost a year later a ripoff?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I DON'T care about Pacific Fighters, silly, why you still try to portrait me as Scrooge that is whining about the price of PF when I've never said anything about it.
I care about Forgotten Battles and THIS theater of war!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I know why it is though, it's because we've been spoilt by the steady releasing of free addons.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perhaps. But that's also the reason I'm still playing the game after two years (and bought it again- as FB- and the expeansion pack). It is reciprocal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Where does it say on the box "comes with free updates for the next two years"? Hell, some games would charge you a monthly subscription fee for that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Where does it say on the box that it won't?
As I said... I'm NOT demanding for continuous support, I'm asking/pledging about it. So stop trying to play it as a "hardcore fan" who will do anything for the cause. It's thanx to people like me (and other "whiners") that sometimes the community is heard.

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

bazzaah2
07-09-2004, 07:34 AM
there may well be some support as Ivan says but I think what we're trying to suggest to you is that you may end up a little disappointed if you think that FB/AEP will receive the same level of support as before, if only because of resource limitations on 1C's side. They're a small team and only so many hours in a day etc.

Anyway, there's some paint nearby that's wet and needs watching - gotta say it's looking kind of appealing now.

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_05.gif

Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

Mispunt
07-09-2004, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I DON'T care about Pacific Fighters, silly, why you still try to portrait me as Scrooge that is whining about the price of PF when I've never said anything about it.
I care about Forgotten Battles and THIS theater of war!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



I was talking about you feeling ripped off with FB not PF
And you DID demand more updates or you would not buy PF.

The updates are a gift also a good marketing trick, but still a gift. You can find flaws with it but you cannot demand more to keep you happy till BOB comes out.
You pay for what's in the box, and even without any support (apart from bug fixes) IL2 or FB would still be the best out there.
I'm not a fanboy, I just get annoyed with people who think the dev's owe them something even though they've already given us more support than any other developer in this genre.

Anyway where's that paint smell coming from....

http://www.tmeier.org/LockOn_Upload/store/MisSig.jpg

jagdmailer
07-09-2004, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Prof.Wizard:
...all patch/update development at IL-2:FB/ACE will stop once and for all, as it has happened with the original IL-2 when Forgotten Battles came out?

As a buyer of the original IL-2 I was less than happy to rush and buy FB once it came out especially when it was supposed to be at first an add-on pack and not another product. I wouldn't want to see this story repeated... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Many planes are still missing from the European theater from all sides, I would really love to see more updates for Forgotten Battles in the future...

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I have said this many times but they better have something for Il-2/FB/AEP for me if they want to keep selling me stuff until BoB as I am definately NOT buying PF.

Don't like the theater, airplanes are butt ugly & the fact that Luthier and some of his lackies are behing it just make my whole decision not to purchase it even easier. I just feel bad for Starshoy....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I hope that Oleg has the business smarts & savy to keep the FB/AEP franchise "alive" just a little longer so he can get revenues from the people that will not buy PF and until BoB gets on the shelf late in 2005 if not 2006.

Cheers,

JagdMailer

Prof.Wizard
07-09-2004, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mispunt:
I was talking about you feeling ripped off with FB not PF
And you DID demand more updates or you would not buy PF.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wasn't demanding, but a negative attitude would make my decision easier. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The rest of my answer to you is given perfectly by jagdmailer above.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
The updates are a gift also a good marketing trick, but still a gift. You can find flaws with it but you cannot demand more to keep you happy till BOB comes out.

I'm not a fanboy, I just get annoyed with people who think the dev's owe them something even though they've already given us more support than any other developer in this genre.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Again, let me repeat cause you seem to have comprehension issues, I don't demand. This thread started with a question and a pledge since there are many of us here who are not interested in PF and still believe FB has much to offer with more planes and patches.

Bottom line: I'm more willing to buy an ACE2 than a PF box so until BoB comes around I would love to development continue. That's all!

-----------------------------

Me-163's HWK 109-509 Rocket Engine
http://www.mihailidis.com/images/HWK109509.jpg

Werg78
07-09-2004, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I just hope that merge of PF and AEP will happen one way or another.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed! this is the point that interests me the most: will PF be compatible with FB/AEP?

imo it would be great to arrange some dogfights with LA7s vs F6Fs or 190s vs F4Us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older
07-09-2004, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mispunt:
[
Where does it say on the box "comes with free updates for the next two years"? Hell, some games would charge you a monthly subscription fee for that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some games do that and still have no updates http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

*****************************
The hillsides ring with, "Free the People",
Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
~ Clash

Mysticpuma2003
07-09-2004, 11:12 AM
I posted this on another thread, but I feel it rings true here, again it's just my feeling, but this was the post:

Well as I see it, and maybe I have got the 'wrong end of the stick', but the suggestion is that Pacific Fighters should be a new disk with FB, AEP and PF all installable in one go. So that everyone who buys the game will now have the same version spanning the whole world theatre of war, and that we can all play together.
"Whooooooaaaaa, hold the phone". Stepping back then, does this mean tha you would expect new buyers to go out and spend ‚£35 on PF and get all of the software that I have already purchased at full price. What I'm saying is, I bought IL2 Sturmovik. I then bought Forgotten Battles, I then bought AEP, I therefore spent ‚£98 on software, and all I need now is an update to fly Pacific Fighters. What you really, by the way I read it, expect me to do, is buy Pacific Fighters, which will contain Forgotten Battles maps and models, and the AEP maps and models for the price of ‚£35, and UBI can stick two fingers up to my support of their product over it's development and allow all the new users to get the previous software at a huge discount. What I'd like to see, if their is any fairness, is a return to UBI voucher system where I send back my FB and AEP disks, and get a voucher allowing me to purchase PF for ‚£10-15m maximum. I see that as being fair for all previous buyers who have stuck by UBI through this games ups and downs. It may sound like 'sour grapes', but if this isn't the case I'd rather see it as Pacific Fighters only because I would really be p***ed off at the lack of thought for previous UBI consumers.

http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/Mysticpuma.jpg

Mispunt
07-09-2004, 12:02 PM
Like they did with UT2003 and UT2004? Good idea.

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Mispunt-MisSig.jpg

[This message was edited by Mispunt on Fri July 09 2004 at 02:19 PM.]

Capt.England
07-09-2004, 01:43 PM
Hear, Hear!

Still, at least we have had fun playing IL2 + FB + ACES + AOE.

So what if you don't buy PF? thats your hard luck if all you want is one area to fight WW2 in. Have you thought that this PF addon/standalone may include carrier maps for France/Med or allow you to make your own missions with all the old planes? As someone said, 3 years have now passed and we are still playing this sim. If you resent paying for the next version just go and buy CFS2 (cheap and in bargin bins) and all it's free addons. Just don't come back moaning that the graphics, FM, weapons should all be in this sim since the year dot. I bet you will miss playing online with mostly no cheats (known about now!) or totaly uber C. Skyes type planes against you.