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Avont29
09-13-2006, 03:58 AM
i just foud out what was wrong with my st290 pro, its faulty, and doens't get recognized on my other computer. what other stick should i get? i doubt i'll be able to order it online but i can go to the store and buy it. i lookated at cyborb evo looks pretty good, and its 65 bucks, thats not bad.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-13-2006, 05:42 AM
CH Fighterstick and some CH Pro Pedals...OR...Saitek X52 (can be found more readily offline).


TB

WOLFMondo
09-13-2006, 05:43 AM
Whats your budget?

I second the purchase of CH stuff, as you'll save money in the long term and have a great setup but its not the cheapest going.

Avont29
09-13-2006, 01:16 PM
guess i'll just get whatever stick i can find at wal-mart, and as for the rudder pedals...thats a bit too much this is just a game, the ctrl and alt(my rudder keys on keyboard) are just fine

Xiolablu3
09-13-2006, 01:19 PM
Make an Enay account then you can get a good stick for a good price.
MS Force Feedback sticks are vcery good.

I have a MS Force Feedback Pro which I picked up for 2.99, amazing Joystick, but you need a gameport to use one.

If you want a USB MS stick, find a MS Force Feedback 2 on ebay, they dont make them any more and they are like gold dust. Usually go for about 30-40 2nd hand.

Viper2005_
09-13-2006, 01:22 PM
If you've got the money, mod a Cougar.

Warrington_Wolf
09-13-2006, 01:23 PM
Trust me, fork out for a CH Combat stick and rudder pedals. Its very pricey but you won't regret it. I've never had a setup that was as precise as this one.

LEBillfish
09-13-2006, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Avont29:
guess i'll just get whatever stick i can find at wal-mart, and as for the rudder pedals...thats a bit too much this is just a game, the ctrl and alt(my rudder keys on keyboard) are just fine

Sounds like you're not fully into this yet which is fine.....Yet back away now or be lost http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

However, no matter what level you are at or how much you want to spends do NOT compromise on rudder control. It will make or break your flying and cannot realize how much till you get it.

Don't want pedals?...Fine again, get a twisty stick. Saitek makes some, so does Logitech and you can get started for $35 or less. Yet make sure it has rudder twist do not simply rely on the keyboard for that.

If you don't believe me, try flying your plane with just the keyboard....That's what's happenening without rudder control to your third axis.

Avont29
09-13-2006, 01:44 PM
umm im not new to this game, im in a squad and im good at DFing, like i said before ctrl and alt is fine for me

Xiolablu3
09-13-2006, 01:59 PM
You are quite new compared to some around here Avont. Nothing to be ashamed of, we were all new once.

I use a twisty rudder and I like it. You get used to it and it becomes 2nd nature.

No doubt pedals would be easier if you have them tho.

LEBillfish
09-13-2006, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Avont29:
umm im not new to this game, im in a squad and im good at DFing, like i said before ctrl and alt is fine for me

Okie dokie then......maybe I'm mistaken having thought rudder (controlling my plane) important. Good luck! Hope you find what you seek http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Taylortony
09-13-2006, 03:35 PM
Avont, I dont think they realise your age or budget http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you can get hold of one cheap as they are discontinued go for the likes of the Saitek X45....... I still use one, they are poles apart in game from a normal stick having a 2 sticks, one being a throttle unit with a rudder rocker on it, if the budget can stretch a little look at the X52 again by Saitek......
BUT try them, some say the stick is a bit big in the hand........ ok here and mine are quite small though.

Avont29
09-13-2006, 03:52 PM
uhh yhea im 16, and io have made $134(thats USD btw) doing catering last weekend, i have enough for that stick, but i dunt wanna spend that much just for a joystick, i was looking at the cyborg evo wireless, im gonna see whats up at best buy, it will take WEAY too long for me to put the money on my moms card anyway

spiffyscimitar
09-13-2006, 04:01 PM
Avont, I have the Cyborg Evo (not even wireless) and I love it. It's comfy, adjustable, has plenty of well placed buttons and is durable. I've had it for almost a year and it's still like out of the box.

I was put off by the futuristic glowy look at first but now it's fine. I hear you about the other sticks costing lots of money, for me it was a question of space, too. Anyway, thumbs up for me on the EVO.

as for spending more money, well, I dont use rudder pedals (the z-axis is fine for me), but I did get a track IR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kuna_
09-13-2006, 04:11 PM
Cyborg EVO is the way to go for you.

In those zillion types outhere you basically cannot make a mistake if you buy either CH Fighterstick (Combatstick?) or Cyborg EVO. Depending on budget.

major_setback
09-13-2006, 04:18 PM
Does anyone else recommend the Cyborg Evo? I need to get a replacement stick for my brother. I recently commandeered his MSFF2 (which I gave him years ago) to replace my faulty one. I need a decent replacement.

JG52Uther
09-13-2006, 04:19 PM
Strangely enough I got a cheap stick last week.My X45 stick was spiking all over the place.The stick? A logitech attack3.No twist rudder (thats what always broke on my other logitchs).The stick is very precise,works with my X45 throttle and ch pedals,has a 2-3 year warranty,and cost 20 (whats that,$30?)

Bearcat99
09-13-2006, 10:03 PM
Avont do NOT go Logitech... get the Evo.. it has a twist rudder. Believe me you will find that better than your previous rudder control. See if you can get your mom or someone to go here (http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html) for you. You pay them and they just buy it for you. Trust me man... you wont be sorry. Even if you decide to go with the EVO.... it's $14 on that site for goodness sake. If you still dont mind spending more then try the X-52. It is a decent stick. It sells for $69.99 on the link I posted above. You cant beat that with a stick. Pun intended. Stay away from the wireless sticks. STAY AWAY from them. For one thing you have to consatntly replace batteries.... and another thing is... wireless sticks are for "special" people... think about it.... you are flying in a sim on your PC..... JUST HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE PC WILL YOU BE THAT YOU WILL NEED A WIRELESS STICK? Not very far be sure... especially with your rig. My advice.... and you can take it or leave it.... Ask someone you know to buy the stick for you from the Saitek site... either the Evo or the X-52.... I recommend the X-52... believe me.. you dont know what you are missing, and you will be able to fully utilise the SST programming software with your background. You arent intimidated by new things....
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Whatever you chose you want a better rudder solution than CTRL/ALT.... If not the X-52 then go with the Evo for $14. The HOTAS is well worth it.

spiffyscimitar
09-14-2006, 01:39 AM
Also, FYI, when I was doing my joystick research, I came across many complaints about Logitech Extreme sticks working great for three months and then conking out.

Sucks, because they're by far the most widepread stick at large stores that I've noticed.

Xiolablu3
09-14-2006, 11:10 AM
Bearcat do you rate the X52 higher than the MS FF2?

I think I would miss the force feedback. My flying was so much more stable with force feedback. It stoppped me from trying to pull daft manouvres as you can 'feel' when you are pulling too hard.

Avont29
09-14-2006, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
You cant beat that with a stick. Pun intended.

wireless sticks are for "special" people...


LOL.

well imma try to get that pad
X52 Flight Conttrol System - Reconditioned

for 70 bucks, but what the heck is that second device? looks like a boomerang shaped thingy



and bearcat thanks again for the 128mb graphics card, that 32meg crad was killing me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
09-14-2006, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Avont29:
well imma try to get that pad
X52 Flight Conttrol System - Reconditioned
for 70 bucks, but what the heck is that second device? looks like a boomerang shaped thingy
and bearcat thanks again for the 128mb graphics card, that 32meg crad was killing me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That boomerang thingy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif.. is your throttle.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif This is what is called a HOTAS.... which is short for a <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">H</span>ands <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">O</span>n <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">T</span>hrottle <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">A</span>nd <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">S</span>tick.

While a HOTAS setup is not necessary to fully enjoy the sim.... in my opinion it GREATLY enhances your entire simming experience. The X-52 also has sliders on it.... potentiometers..knobs... you can assign your trim to these knobs.... or prop pitch.... The X-52 has a twist rudder.... it is a decent stick.. and for that price cant be beat. The stick I believe plugs into the throttle... and the throttle is USB. The software is really nice and a bit intimidating at first.. but once you mess with it it is not hard to use and actually is the best stick software I have used. (I cant speak for the CH stuff.. all I have are pedals). Note in my bottom pic that my X-45 is basically the same.. two units... I just modified it to make it one unit.. save real estate on my desk. I have elevator and aileron trim on the two knobs... rudder trim is on the throttle slider of my MSFFB2.. I prefer that because it gives me a visual cue as to where my trim is. Note the two knobs on the modified throttle.. one on the base and one on the left side of the throttle... these pots are from the X & Y axii of the stick... the one on the base is unused for now.. the one on the left side of my throttle is for prop pitch. My flaps are on the rudder rocker which you cant see in this pic.... the X-52 doesnt have a rudder rocker.

http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/X-45mod.jpg

NP about the card.. I am just glad that it is still working and being used... everytime you boot up you give me more bang for my buck. When I bought that card in 02 it was $149.... now it sells for under $30... if you can find it... but it has to e an improvement eh... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif?




Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Bearcat do you rate the X52 higher than the MS FF2?

I think I would miss the force feedback. My flying was so much more stable with force feedback. It stoppped me from trying to pull daft manouvres as you can 'feel' when you are pulling too hard.

Well I dont use an X-52.. I have a X-45/MSFFB2/CH Pedals combo setup.. and I took the X-45 and modded the stick by eliminating it and mounting the guts of the stick to my throttle..

http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/myrigfall06.jpg

but the X-45 is a great stick and since FB supports up to 4 controllers and I cant see BoB going backwards.... the X-52/MSFFB2 combo is probably a pretty good deal... before I modded my stick I still used the X-45 as a button bay.

http://star.walagata.com/w/bearcat/my_rig_2.jpg

The MSFFB2 is by far the best FFB stick to date.