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mbfRoy
10-15-2007, 07:56 AM
here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/viewtopic.php?p=2649#2649

Y0RGO
10-15-2007, 08:05 AM
amaze.

http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

The.Tyke
10-15-2007, 08:09 AM
Blimey !

Is this a wind up ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Freelancer-1
10-15-2007, 08:13 AM
Nice teaser http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

That Fiat looks sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

It's good to hear something...anything... after the long silence.

I'll keep an eye on that thread, for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Feathered_IV
10-15-2007, 08:18 AM
Must have been due to me saying I was about to buy FSX http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Pirschjaeger
10-15-2007, 08:19 AM
And no one has posted pics here yet? I'm surprised.

I can't open them. I'm not surprised. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Fritz

mbfRoy
10-15-2007, 08:19 AM
The best part IMO is the "once per 2-3 weeks or so" updates. Good stuff!

crazyivan1970
10-15-2007, 08:25 AM
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_05.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_07.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_08.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_09.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_10.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_12small.jpg

Blood_Splat
10-15-2007, 08:25 AM
I love the detail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ploughman
10-15-2007, 08:38 AM
The banana plantation the place to be now eh?

F19_Orheim
10-15-2007, 08:51 AM
What he shows is maybe not so much to drool about me thinks. These kind of shots we have seen before, but it is really nice to see some sign of life

I was kind of hoping for some ingame shots.. however....

What Do give me goose bumps is what Oleg writes:

"Ok, for the first update I would like to post some screenshots of Fiat BR20? how it looks in engine tools (in final engine it looks really way better, like in cinema!)
Please pay attention that all doors openable, rear low platform for the turret is openable (by AI or by the player). "

What kind of implications does this have on gameplay???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

KRISTORF
10-15-2007, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
The banana plantation the place to be now eh?

I think its closer to a custard yellow myself........................

triad773
10-15-2007, 08:56 AM
Amazing pix; I was prowling over there about 08:00 GMT and saw where Oleg and Evgeny were on the board- I waited for them to post something but then they didn't just then. Nice news to wake up to though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Had a strong feeling that'd be THE place to be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

JG52Uther
10-15-2007, 08:58 AM
FANTASTIC!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-15-2007, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
What he shows is maybe not so much to drool about me thinks. These kind of shots we have seen before, but it is really nice to see some sign of life

I was kind of hoping for some ingame shots.. however....

What Do give me goose bumps is what Oleg writes:

"Ok, for the first update I would like to post some screenshots of Fiat BR20? how it looks in engine tools (in final engine it looks really way better, like in cinema!)
Please pay attention that all doors openable, rear low platform for the turret is openable (by AI or by the player). "

What kind of implications does this have on gameplay???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yeah, that struck me as well, perhaps we'll be able to start the game running out of the hangar and scramble into our airplanes!

JG52Uther
10-15-2007, 12:04 PM
And I do wonder about the lack of an update here in the ubi forums from Oleg.Maybe a parting of the ways?

neural_dream
10-15-2007, 12:35 PM
The image quality in those pics is a bit disappointing, similar to most FS2004 models, but it's understandable as it's WiP. I'm sure the cockpit will look nicer. At least it's news.

edit: Actually he mentions that it looks much better in-game. Hadn't noticed.

Irish_Rogues
10-15-2007, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
What he shows is maybe not so much to drool about me thinks. These kind of shots we have seen before, but it is really nice to see some sign of life

I was kind of hoping for some ingame shots.. however....

What Do give me goose bumps is what Oleg writes:

"Ok, for the first update I would like to post some screenshots of Fiat BR20? how it looks in engine tools (in final engine it looks really way better, like in cinema!)
Please pay attention that all doors openable, rear low platform for the turret is openable (by AI or by the player). "

What kind of implications does this have on gameplay???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yeah, that struck me as well, perhaps we'll be able to start the game running out of the hangar and scramble into our airplanes! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the context of a WWII online type game it might mean something I guess.

TheGozr
10-15-2007, 01:01 PM
So question why stay in UBI forum lets move to the banana site.. it's there where this happens...

willyvic
10-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
The image quality in those pics is a bit disappointing...

edit: Actually he mentions that it looks much better in-game. Hadn't noticed.

I would hope it looks a lot better in game.

It is obvious that the pics are not of the highest resolution. IE: jaggies and such apparent. But you would not expect high res, AA, and Ansio in a developer screenie to begin with.

WV

ytareh
10-15-2007, 01:08 PM
OMG that looks so realistic I almost ducked to avoid being hit by the wheels...nice improvement on current plane model standard and still only preproduction quality!!!???Hope these updates continue and the final product gets here soon -ish!

TheGozr
10-15-2007, 01:24 PM
Very interesting not imprest at all for the moment but cool to have.
I'm more curious about the clouds and land terrain design..

Kurfurst__
10-15-2007, 01:51 PM
The thing I am wondering about is the use of special layers and shader models on the aircraft. I hope it`s just not present on the working 3D model. Take a look at the glass surfaces, I hope Oleg`s team will make that more 'glass-like' with use of the appropriate shader textures (i do not know much about the tech itself), because that stil looks like 'semi-transparent, dark layer-stuff' and not canopy windshield.. with those shaders, bump maps (rivets! panel lines!) increadibly cool and life like looking aircraft can be made.

Don`t get me wrong I like all the new little detail, the hatches, the 'real' model that has details in and out, but I also hope the graphical level is more than just Il-2, with let`s say, triple the polygon count.

In any case, it`s good to see some life signs from BoB:SoW.

Lubcke
10-15-2007, 05:17 PM
and since its not on ubi probably bob will be published by 1C

mbfRoy
10-15-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
The thing I am wondering about is the use of special layers and shader models on the aircraft. I hope it`s just not present on the working 3D model. Take a look at the glass surfaces, I hope Oleg`s team will make that more 'glass-like' with use of the appropriate shader textures (i do not know much about the tech itself), because that stil looks like 'semi-transparent, dark layer-stuff' and not canopy windshield.. with those shaders, bump maps (rivets! panel lines!) increadibly cool and life like looking aircraft can be made.

Don`t get me wrong I like all the new little detail, the hatches, the 'real' model that has details in and out, but I also hope the graphical level is more than just Il-2, with let`s say, triple the polygon count.

In any case, it`s good to see some life signs from BoB:SoW.
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_09.jpg

Check the front part of the wings, you can actually see that the bare metal shines more than the painted surface.

I wouldn't expect the developer engine to show everything at max detail, yet the older Spitfire picture showed bump/normal mapping, this one shows some sort of specular level mapping, and it's been said that the planes will show wearing over time. There's only one effect left to be shown (IMO) that'd make bare metal planes look sweet: reflections. Other effects like self shadow casting, bloom, motion blur, advanced lighting... etc can be added later http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I'm positive that as O.M has said, it'll look a lot better ingame!

BadA1m
10-15-2007, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by mbfRoy:


Check the front part of the wings, you can actually see that the bare metal shines more than the painted surface.

I wouldn't expect the developer engine to show everything at max detail, yet the older Spitfire picture showed bump/normal mapping, this one shows some sort of specular level mapping, and it's been said that the planes will show wearing over time. There's only one effect left to be shown (IMO) that'd make bare metal planes look sweet: reflections. Other effects like self shadow casting, bloom, motion blur, advanced lighting... etc can be added later http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I'm positive that as O.M has said, it'll look a lot better ingame!

Good eye, Mate, I didn't even notice that, let's hope it means some really cool metal finishes.

BillyTheKid_22
10-15-2007, 05:54 PM
Wow, COOL!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Haigotron
10-15-2007, 08:03 PM
sweet

the man said it himself: "updates every 2-3 weeks, be sure"

sweeter


bob isn't dead, naysayers

sweetest

LEXX_Luthor
10-15-2007, 08:59 PM
Nice. Nobody will see that "detail" at combat speeds and distances, as that alone would make a Screenshot Simulator. I just hope the sim's air war simulation features can keep more customers interested in combat sims.

stalkervision
10-15-2007, 09:12 PM
It's a oleg trick I tell you.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and where is the new patch he promised us to keep cheaters from taking over Il-2 on-line.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ElAurens
10-15-2007, 09:40 PM
Another interesting thing about the Fiat Br 20 is that the Imperial Japanese Army had 20 or so of them in China. Now we need some Curtiss Hawk III biplanes and perhaps a Hawk 75, and some early IJA IJN types, and we are good to go for a truly forgotten air war, China before December 7 1941.

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-15-2007, 10:48 PM
Please pay attention that all doors openable, rear low platform for the turret is openable (by AI or by the player). "

What kind of implications does this have on gameplay???? Wink

You will probably be able to walk in and out of the plane. Perhaps you want to get out of the plane and man some anti-aircraft gun? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-15-2007, 10:50 PM
bob isn't dead, naysayers

Nope, but something is obviously going on between UBI and Maddox. Of course I blame UBI for this! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

csThor
10-15-2007, 11:25 PM
Who else would you blame, HaVoK? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Foo.bar
10-16-2007, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Nice. Nobody will see that "detail" at combat speeds and distances, (...)

Nobody sees any details at distances, neither in simulations nor in real life. But they are there, aren't they?

TheGozr
10-16-2007, 01:28 AM
Are you really that imprest ? seriously ?

skarden
10-16-2007, 02:48 AM
Well..... Yes!! I'm would love to see some development shots of say O' FSX maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif I bet they didnt look any better at that stage of dev. then those pics,and besides as was said and been quoted like a hundred times


Oleg Maddox


in final engine it looks really way better, like in cinema!

come on guys how many times does it have to be quoted and re quoted!

trumper
10-16-2007, 03:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gifWhat does it sound like though ,a newer lawn mower http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kurfurst__
10-16-2007, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Another interesting thing about the Fiat Br 20 is that the Imperial Japanese Army had 20 or so of them in China. Now we need some Curtiss Hawk III biplanes and perhaps a Hawk 75, and some early IJA IJN types, and we are good to go for a truly forgotten air war, China before December 7 1941.

Hawk 75 would also serve well for a Battle of France - another forgotten conflict in the air, and no less fierce than the BoB.

@skarden

Oh, all rightie then!

skarden
10-16-2007, 04:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif riiiiiight

Manu-6S
10-16-2007, 04:38 AM
Seriously... and you call this a UPDATE?

There are so many questions: I'd like news about the game, not the same old pictures.

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
Seriously... and you call this a UPDATE?

There are so many questions: I'd like news about the game, not the same old pictures.

me too... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

FluffyDucks2
10-16-2007, 04:50 AM
I am pretty concerned about this to be honest. If that is the best Oleg can post after several years of development I think it says more about what is going on behind the scenes than about game development.

I hate to say it but the posting on a 1C site (not UBI) of ONE aircraft early development model, is, to me, a BAD SIGN http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ploughman
10-16-2007, 04:50 AM
It's an update, the best news is that Oleg intends to regularly update us once every 2-3 weeks. It's a shame they're keeping the 'quality' under wraps but it'll come when it comes and yes, I'm DYING to see some in game shots too.

neural_dream
10-16-2007, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
Are you really that imprest ? seriously ?
I'm more impressed with Oleg's fans' unbelievable patience. He disappears for months and suddenly brings a pretty average set of screenshots, which any decent amateur 3d modeller could have produced in weeks, and promises that it looks better if rendered by the game engine. Based on all previous promises of his the game should have finished a year ago or at most this winter, but it still appears to be years from finishing. You seriously aren't disappointed?!!!

csThor
10-16-2007, 05:29 AM
What exactly do people expect from "development updates"? Aren't screenshots the stuff we've been shown during the "development updates" of old times, too? Did you honestly expect Oleg to post some jaw-breaking screenshots and endless feature lists with detailed explanations? He never did that in the so-called "good old times" ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I do see the quality of the modelling and see this update as a start. Nothing more.

leitmotiv
10-16-2007, 05:32 AM
Roll on BOB! News at last. Wet my parched throat!

FluffyDucks2
10-16-2007, 05:34 AM
Thor...the game is reputedly close to beta, it is not in the early stages of development.
Correct me if I am wrong but a game that is supposed to be LAUNCHED in one month(according to the developers own predictions) should have a HELL of a lot more developmental samples and or terrain type shots, there was a promo clip of it in the 46 bonus dvd for gods sake...so where are the screen shots even early screen shots???

Not looking good I fear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 05:35 AM
amazing progress..from this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ_k1kYN5DI&mode=related&search=

to this and in just one year..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_09.jpg

csThor
10-16-2007, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
Thor...the game is reputedly close to beta, it is not in the early stages of development.
Correct me if I am wrong but a game that is supposed to be LAUNCHED in one month(according to the developers own predictions) should have a HELL of a lot more developmental samples and or terrain type shots, there was a promo clip of it in the 46 bonus dvd for gods sake...so where are the screen shots even early screen shots???

Not looking good I fear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

That Ubisofts release estimates had little or nothing to do with reality is nothing new. The fact is simply that BoB is apparently nowhere near Beta - a release before mid-2008 is very unlikely IMO. Ubisoft hasn't put SoW:BoB on its X-Mas release list so I guess a 2008 release (or even 2009) is rather likely.

BBB_Hyperion
10-16-2007, 05:43 AM
Did Oleg improve his English ?

ploughman
10-16-2007, 05:51 AM
I hacked his English Sound pack. You can't tell from his typing, but he's now got a Birmingham accent.

JG52Uther
10-16-2007, 06:05 AM
Hmmm so Oleg's damned if he gives you some news,and damned if he just keeps quiet? Way to go guys.No wonder you don't see him here anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

knightflyte
10-16-2007, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Hmmm so Oleg's damned if he gives you some news,and damned if he just keeps quiet? Way to go guys.No wonder you don't see him here anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif


I think he's playing it close to the vest. How many patches have been leaked early? (Nevermind the copyright and hack issues 1C has had to deal with.)

He did say the plane is running in the engine, so it must be up and running.

He called it beta so it's probably well incorporated into the game already.

Again. I think he's being careful.

Gitano1979
10-16-2007, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Another interesting thing about the Fiat Br 20 is that the Imperial Japanese Army had 20 or so of them in China. Now we need some Curtiss Hawk III biplanes and perhaps a Hawk 75, and some early IJA IJN types, and we are good to go for a truly forgotten air war, China before December 7 1941.

BOB planeset will be useful (apart the BOB-specific Spit Mk.I) also for other theaters like Greek-Albanian front, Malta and North Africa. Obviously SM.79, MC.200 are a must, together with Vokes filter for Hurries, flyable Gleadiators ecc.

Time will tell...

MEGILE
10-16-2007, 06:27 AM
uberĀ²

Rjel
10-16-2007, 06:31 AM
I seem to remember ingame videos from the original IL2 being released from time to time during it's development.

neural_dream
10-16-2007, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
amazing progress..from this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ_k1kYN5DI&mode=related&search=

to this and in just one year..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_09.jpg
If after this people can still keep their patience, we are talking about a forum of superhumans.

Manu-6S
10-16-2007, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Hmmm so Oleg's damned if he gives you some news,and damned if he just keeps quiet? Way to go guys.No wonder you don't see him here anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

An update related to THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIiz_HnMlw&NR=1) should be nice... something in cockpit, a little track with sounds (gun firing or engine starting)... a 6DOF example. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

csThor
10-16-2007, 06:50 AM
Who said the engine was that far already? Oleg said he hoped to post updates every 2 or 3 weeks. Once beta comes closer he hopes to increase update frequency. That means beta is still a long time away ... IMO, of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Viper2005_
10-16-2007, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
It's an update, the best news is that Oleg intends to regularly update us once every 2-3 weeks.

So that would be "2-3 weeks, Be Sure" then?

I'm sure I've heard things about a resumption of regular updates before. Irrespective, personally I can't say that I'm particularly impressed. If this "update" is representative of the overall state of progress then it seems to me that the timeline for BoB is stretching away into the distance rather rapidly.

I am inescapably reminded of Duke Nukem Forever...

This doesn't particularly concern me in the sense that I have other things to do, so not getting BoB for Christmas 2007, 2008 or indeed ever will not remove my will to live, though the longer I am made to wait for a game, the more likely I am to wait another few months to buy it from the bargain bin.

However, I would observe that the longer any development programme lasts, the higher its costs and the lower its benefits, since on the one hand people are paid for the time the spend working, and on the other hand in a long programme the (expensive) technology developed at the start is likely to be obsolete by the time the final product is produced, implying a duplication of effort and a law of diminishing returns...

Lack of progress is therefore extremely expensive, and is liable to increase the chances of eventual project cancellation, since after a few "re-writes" it's probably cheaper to scrap the whole lot and start again. The trouble with this is of course that when they start again there's nothing in particular tying them into making a flight simulator.

Of course, it could be that this "update" is not representative of the overall level of progress. But it's not exactly rocket science to upload a few pictures, or write a few words on progress. A weekly update wouldn't take more than about 15 minutes per week, which is around 0.6% of a 40 hour working week for one person. Therefore I don't buy the argument that we don't get updates because there isn't enough time. Technology might be a reason for keeping things quiet. But then again, if rapid progress was being made, giving us updates that were say 2-3 months out of date would keep Oleg & Co. well ahead of the competition, whilst demonstrating to everything else that things were actually moving along.

Legal issues might be responsible for the silence. But then again, unless there is some sort of gagging order it would seem crazy not to tell the community what's going on because actually we have considerable lobbying power.

So it seems to me that simplest explanation for the lack of updates is a lack of tangible progress, possibly at least partly caused by the fact that delays have exposed the project to technological changes which have forced re-writes.

On the basis of this logic, if I had any stock in BoB I would have sold it long ago, since there is very little evidence to suggest that its (considerable) promise will be realised.

ElAurens
10-16-2007, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Hawk 75 would also serve well for a Battle of France - another forgotten conflict in the air, and no less fierce than the BoB.


I agree totally. The Hawk 75 would be a very interesting aircraft and arguably the best plane the French had. While not as fast as the Hawk 81, it did have a higher rate of climb and and even higher roll rate, and if what I have read is to be believed, a better turn rate as well.

MEGILE
10-16-2007, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
It's an update, the best news is that Oleg intends to regularly update us once every 2-3 weeks.

So that would be "2-3 weeks, Be Sure" then?

I'm sure I've heard things about a resumption of regular updates before. Irrespective, personally I can't say that I'm particularly impressed. If this "update" is representative of the overall state of progress then it seems to me that the timeline for BoB is stretching away into the distance rather rapidly.

I am inescapably reminded of Duke Nukem Forever...

This doesn't particularly concern me in the sense that I have other things to do, so not getting BoB for Christmas 2007, 2008 or indeed ever will not remove my will to live, though the longer I am made to wait for a game, the more likely I am to wait another few months to buy it from the bargain bin.

However, I would observe that the longer any development programme lasts, the higher its costs and the lower its benefits, since on the one hand people are paid for the time the spend working, and on the other hand in a long programme the (expensive) technology developed at the start is likely to be obsolete by the time the final product is produced, implying a duplication of effort and a law of diminishing returns...

Lack of progress is therefore extremely expensive, and is liable to increase the chances of eventual project cancellation, since after a few "re-writes" it's probably cheaper to scrap the whole lot and start again. The trouble with this is of course that when they start again there's nothing in particular tying them into making a flight simulator.

Of course, it could be that this "update" is not representative of the overall level of progress. But it's not exactly rocket science to upload a few pictures, or write a few words on progress. A weekly update wouldn't take more than about 15 minutes per week, which is around 0.6% of a 40 hour working week for one person. Therefore I don't buy the argument that we don't get updates because there isn't enough time. Technology might be a reason for keeping things quiet. But then again, if rapid progress was being made, giving us updates that were say 2-3 months out of date would keep Oleg & Co. well ahead of the competition, whilst demonstrating to everything else that things were actually moving along.

Legal issues might be responsible for the silence. But then again, unless there is some sort of gagging order it would seem crazy not to tell the community what's going on because actually we have considerable lobbying power.

So it seems to me that simplest explanation for the lack of updates is a lack of tangible progress, possibly at least partly caused by the fact that delays have exposed the project to technological changes which have forced re-writes.

On the basis of this logic, if I had any stock in BoB I would have sold it long ago, since there is very little evidence to suggest that its (considerable) promise will be realised. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

disagree 100%

Lack of updates are because he's busy.

The sky is not falling chicken litte, Oleg is coming home.

crazyivan1970
10-16-2007, 10:51 AM
You make a lot of assumptions Viper. And they all wrong. I am not free to speak on how and why and what... but lack of updates is not Olegs fault and if you base your timeline of SOW development on these series of screenshots... i cant help you. I am not going to paint a pretty picture and claim that SOW will be out this xmas... but trust me... they are very far in development. Dont be disapointed. Ok?

Cheers!

willyvic
10-16-2007, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure that's Oleg posting over in the 1C forum. Just does not "sound" like him. Can't quite put my finger on it but the writing style strikes me as different.

Perhaps Evgeny is posting on his behalf?


WV

crazyivan1970
10-16-2007, 11:40 AM
It`s Oleg, be sure.

LEXX_Luthor
10-16-2007, 11:42 AM
Viper::
I am inescapably reminded of Duke Nukem Forever...
reminds me of ... TargetWare Forever.

I guess crazyivan is right though. Oleg is apparently doing some DEEP stuff to advance his sim above others, coding stuff, new feautures not seen in any of The Sims since the 1990s ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ). Computer code doesn't make good screenshots except for the most hardcore, and the competition.

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-16-2007, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
It`s Oleg, be sure.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 11:54 AM
How much would you give right now for the one and only first release of BOBSOW.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBRHetKH4MQ

Chivas
10-16-2007, 11:57 AM
"Here we begin to post development news of BoB.... some time, but not so rare... I hope once per 2-3 weeks or so .... and more close to beta - each week like in old good time with IL-2"

"More close to beta"....suggest to me that BOB is closer to beta than some here would have you believe.

"how it looks in engine tools (in final engine it looks really way better, like in cinema!)"

Suggests that the code is progressing nicely.

I've been waiting for BOB for what...4 years, during that time Oleg has developed Pacific Fighter, IL-2 1946, and still working on a free patch to add maps and help secure the hack free future of the IL-2 series.

Is there a chance that BOB will never see the light of day...of course... but it certainly doesn't warrant some of the current...the Sky is Falling...mentality.

I'm sure he has many valid reasons for choosing the latest update subject. Some say they are insignificat but the players ablility to open doors suggests a possibility for more complicated gameplay.

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 12:28 PM
all I can say is given this new available evidence IMO "don't hold your breath"... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_HZsVUz7DU

msalama
10-16-2007, 12:33 PM
First they whine when they don't get any updates. Then they whine when they get an update.

Seriously, calling you guys anything but sad is t3H overmodelled be sure.

MB_Avro_UK
10-16-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You make a lot of assumptions Viper. And they all wrong. I am not free to speak on how and why and what... but lack of updates is not Olegs fault and if you base your timeline of SOW development on these series of screenshots... i cant help you. I am not going to paint a pretty picture and claim that SOW will be out this xmas... but trust me... they are very far in development. Dont be disapointed. Ok?

Cheers!

Many Thanks Ivan for your post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Very sensible and illuminating.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 12:46 PM
we will watch and see what the next update has in store..in two to three weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mazexx
10-16-2007, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You make a lot of assumptions Viper. And they all wrong. I am not free to speak on how and why and what... but lack of updates is not Olegs fault and if you base your timeline of SOW development on these series of screenshots... i cant help you. I am not going to paint a pretty picture and claim that SOW will be out this xmas... but trust me... they are very far in development. Dont be disapointed. Ok?

Cheers!

Mmm, that statement smells a lot of "UBI lawyers are in the trenches with Oleg/1C, and they've got the bayonets on...". It wouldn't surprise me if the UBI legal department (that got screwed by you now which greedy aircraft manufacturer) are going to get this sim killed.

UnknownTarget
10-16-2007, 01:00 PM
Not impressed at all. The shots look almost exactly like the development shots for IL-2 - even the models seem like they have similar poly counts to some of the later FB updates (notice the polygonal look of the exhaust pipe on the bottom of the engine). Also, what I'm most disappointed by is the fact that the textures/rendering still look very "cartoony" and not realistic - there is also no evidence of shaders, either (the metal bit being shinier isn't really a shader, it can be done easily with a shine map, which is at least a 4 year old technology). I see pretty much no graphical updates between BOB and IL-2, and while I realize flight sims have to make trade offs, that doesn't mean it has to look the same as it did in 2003.

Here's hoping that Oleg will grace us with some shots that show what the engine is truly capable of.

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 01:02 PM
The only trouble I have with this "update" is that the updates went from this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIiz_HnMlw

to this..

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/BR-20M_09.jpg

Is somebody holding the BOBSOW graphics engine for randsome?

rfap
10-16-2007, 01:03 PM
I suggest everybody take a chill pill. Oleg has already delivered the most comprehensive WW2 flight Sim and is in progress of developing its successor. I cannot believe that ppl are complaining that
a: it's not finished,
b: won't be ready for their christmas stocking,
c: its not as good as it is expected to be,
d: might as well add in that its resource hungry and won't run on their tuned perfectly tuned Celeron 300A. Bah!

It will be ready when its ready and not before. It shall be the next generation of WW2 era flight sims which will be the benchmark for every other flight sim.
It shall beat up your Celeron, Athlon, 64, X2 Pentium 4, Core 2 system and will do for at least the next 3 years. You may even need to upgrade your graphics setup and add more ram!

Now chill out and be patient, fire up IL2 46, go to hyperlobby or select a tough offline campaign and as you're flying about knocking up the kills or getting shot down, stop and think how good it is at the moment and think of the lads / lassies in 1C how are doubtless working their socks off trying to improve what was until fairly recently regarded as SIM perfection.

FluffyDucks2
10-16-2007, 01:27 PM
OK we got some "insiders" telling us all is well, thats good as far as it goes. I REALLY want to believe in their message.

The problem I have is how anyone can think that a few 3dmax jpegs of an Italian bomber can in any impress or put to ease my suspicious mind.

As StalkerVision has pointed out, how can we go from the graphics on show in the 46 bonus dvd and on various websites 2 years ago to the current (impressive as they are) 3D Max pics???

SURELY if the game has developed as claimed we would see something a little more tempting, clouds/ground/terrain/towns, in game Hurri/Spit/109, ships AS SCREENSHOTS??? Am I expecting too much from a game that is supposedly so far into production?

Doubting Thomas...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

BaronUnderpants
10-16-2007, 01:49 PM
This has been said:
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________

"Hi folks!

Here we begin to post development news of BoB.... some time, but not so rare... I hope once per 2-3 weeks or so .... and more close to beta - each week like in old good time with IL-2


Ok, for the first update I would like to post some screenshots of Fiat BR20? how it looks in engine tools (in final engine it looks really way better, like in cinema!)
Please pay attention that all doors openable, rear low platform for the turret is openable (by AI or by the player)."
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________


And this:

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________

"I am not free to speak on how and why and what... but lack of updates is not Olegs fault and if you base your timeline of SOW development on these series of screenshots... i cant help you. I am not going to paint a pretty picture and claim that SOW will be out this xmas... but trust me... they are very far in development. Dont be disapointed. Ok?"
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________



And STILL people are refusing to listen, and comes up with all kinds of alternet realitys?


Unbelivble.


Like some smart fella said: "Hes damned if he do..and damned if he dont"



Calling this place the Ubizoo is an insult to zoos everywhere. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

FluffyDucks2
10-16-2007, 02:21 PM
I dont know why people are getting their knickers in a twist because some of us are not swallowing the miniscule amount of information we are being fed.
Maybe its the gullibility of youth or just pure naivety, me, I don't believe ANYTHING from ANYONE without absolute certainty, I am sort of twisted that way.
I have seen too many in the public eye "behind the scenes" and for the most part they are thieving lying bar stewards.

The fact is that media spin is for the most part lies and manipulation of the gullible, PR people are PROFESSIONAL LIARS, the better liar they are the more they get paid.

Now, no-one is suggesting in any way:

a. That Oleg is lying.

b. That his "spokespersons" or proxy conduits are lying.

BUT:

Personally I have my doubts and will continue to have my doubts until I see the goods http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Just MY opinion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

FYI also: No-one is more keen to see BoB or more supportive of the whole series, I AM A FAN; But I am not a FANBOI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Someone, anyone, is welcome to prove my doubts wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 02:27 PM
What is truly unbelievable is that anyone actually calling themself "BaronUnderpants" believes he can make serious posts calling other people "unbelievable" and say they live in alternate realities.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right now I am going to give oleg the benefit of the doubt till his next update or two but if I keep seeing this kind of "evidence of progress" that doubt will seriously be shaken..


Btw BVU..I will also give you the benefit of doubt that you came to use that screen name in a one time drunken stupor.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

maybe "the Red Baron" was already taken.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
I dont know why people are getting their knickers in a twist because some of us are not swallowing the miniscule amount of information we are being fed.
Maybe its the gullibility of youth or just pure naivety, me, I don't believe ANYTHING from ANYONE without absolute certainty, I am sort of twisted that way.
I have seen too many in the public eye "behind the scenes" and for the most part they are thieving lying bar stewards.

The fact is that media spin is for the most part lies and manipulation of the gullible, PR people are PROFESSIONAL LIARS, the better liar they are the more they get paid.

Now, no-one is suggesting in any way:

a. That Oleg is lying.

b. That his "spokespersons" or proxy conduits are lying.

BUT:

Personally I have my doubts and will continue to have my doubts until I see the goods http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Just MY opinion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

FYI also: No-one is more keen to see BoB or more supportive of the whole series, I AM A FAN; But I am not a FANBOI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Someone, anyone, is welcome to prove my doubts wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

FritzGryphon
10-16-2007, 02:42 PM
It's nice to see additional functional details, like the openable gun door. Surely this innovation will be one of many we'll see in BoB.

The workmanship of the model and texture is second to none, and it's good to see they are keeping the polycount low, in the spirit of the remarkably high-FPS IL-2 series. A little bird told me that bump and spec will be supported, so it will indeed look even more beautiful in motion.

I'm also ecstatic to hear that updates will be resuming, and not the slightest bit surprised or worried that it won't be out for Christmas.

knightflyte
10-16-2007, 02:43 PM
You got to admitt, fluffy, that Oleg's been pretty true to his word on patches and releases for us as a whole throughout the IL2 lifespan.

There have been numerous delays from sources outside his control. As I mentioned earlier, how many patches were leaked and caused delay with IL2? We won't even mention the UBI PF debacle. On several occasions there have been hacks to the IL2 code that needed remedying. Let's not forget two pretty serious car wrecks. (IIRC)

This somehow delays future projects like BoB.
As far as I remember this plane wasn't listed as a release to BoB. There are a few features of the plane that hint at an expanded game experience.

Would I LOVE to see some newer more developed updates? YUP! I guess the opporative word is patience.


Maybe we've been spoiled by 1C/Maddox.

BaronUnderpants
10-16-2007, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
What is truly unbelievable is that anyone actually calling themself "BaronUnderpants" believes he can make serious posts calling other people "unbelievable" and say they live in alternate realities.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right now I am going to give oleg the benefit of the doubt till his next update or two but if I keep seeing this kind of "evidence of progress" that doubt will seriously be shaken..


Btw BVU..I will also give you the benefit of doubt that you came to use that screen name in a one time drunken stupor.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

maybe "the Red Baron" was already taken.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


A. We aint beeing "fed" anything.

B. We aint supose to "swallow" what we ( aint ) beeing fed.

C. Just take it for what it is...NEEEWS. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


P.S. Red Baron?...Pfff, whats the fun in that.

BaronUnderpants and later Baron during my time in IL2 Air Racing was actually GeneralUnderpants at first, my nick in Medal of Honour...where i came up with it as a stab towards all the waaaay to seriouse clan names...like the names supose to scare me? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Well, been proven time and time again that game names actually do matter...and not many people expects beeing owned by a joker named GeneralUnderpants..or BaronUnderpants for that matter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Blood_Splat
10-16-2007, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by msalama:
First they whine when they don't get any updates. Then they whine when they get an update.

Seriously, calling you guys anything but sad is t3H overmodelled be sure.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

crazyivan1970
10-16-2007, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by UnknownTarget:
Not impressed at all. The shots look almost exactly like the development shots for IL-2 - even the models seem like they have similar poly counts to some of the later FB updates (notice the polygonal look of the exhaust pipe on the bottom of the engine). Also, what I'm most disappointed by is the fact that the textures/rendering still look very "cartoony" and not realistic - there is also no evidence of shaders, either (the metal bit being shinier isn't really a shader, it can be done easily with a shine map, which is at least a 4 year old technology). I see pretty much no graphical updates between BOB and IL-2, and while I realize flight sims have to make trade offs, that doesn't mean it has to look the same as it did in 2003.

Here's hoping that Oleg will grace us with some shots that show what the engine is truly capable of.

I am just amazed with this statement... No comment...

stalkervision
10-16-2007, 04:29 PM
P.S. Red Baron?...Pfff, whats the fun in that.

BaronUnderpants and later Baron during my time in IL2 Air Racing was actually GeneralUnderpants at first, my nick in Medal of Honour...where i came up with it as a stab towards all the waaaay to seriouse clan names...like the names supose to scare me?

Well, been proven time and time again that game names actually do matter...and not many people expects beeing owned by a joker named GeneralUnderpants..or BaronUnderpants for that matter.

Ya I can see your rational now believe it or not. It has me worried though. Not about you but me.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I use to play multiplayer Battlefield 1942 under the name "Ho Chi Menh" quite a bit. I got quite good at it too.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

People just hated getting "owned" by a commie like "Ho" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/H%E1%BB%93_Ch%C3%AD_Minh_Official_Picture.jpg

BTW "Ho" seems to piss off people whenever or whereever he shows up in multiplayer games..

anyone here is welcome to use him. You just watch and see.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FluffyDucks2
10-16-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
You got to admitt, fluffy, that Oleg's been pretty true to his word on patches and releases for us as a whole throughout the IL2 lifespan.

There have been numerous delays from sources outside his control. As I mentioned earlier, how many patches were leaked and caused delay with IL2? We won't even mention the UBI PF debacle. On several occasions there have been hacks to the IL2 code that needed remedying. Let's not forget two pretty serious car wrecks. (IIRC)

This somehow delays future projects like BoB.
As far as I remember this plane wasn't listed as a release to BoB. There are a few features of the plane that hint at an expanded game experience.

Would I LOVE to see some newer more developed updates? YUP! I guess the opporative word is patience.


Maybe we've been spoiled by 1C/Maddox.


Agreed 100%, I have no problem with what Oleg says and I do for the most part trust his word....it's what he isn't saying that bothers me(or maybe I should say, what he isn't allowed to say... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif) . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

mbfRoy
10-16-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by UnknownTarget:
there is also no evidence of shaders, either (the metal bit being shinier isn't really a shader, it can be done easily with a shine map, which is at least a 4 year old technology
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif LOL!

So what exactly is a shader then?

Amazing...

bhunter2112
10-16-2007, 05:21 PM
My take on all info available.

Game is still on
Hopefully be out first half of next year.
UBI will not be involved

knightflyte
10-16-2007, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by bhunter2112:
My take on all info available.

Game is still on
Hopefully be out first half of next year.
UBI will not be involved


UBI closes forums.
Everyone migrates to Maddox Paddocks.

knightflyte
10-16-2007, 05:41 PM
Agreed 100%, I have no problem with what Oleg says and I do for the most part trust his word....it's what he isn't saying that bothers me(or maybe I should say, what he isn't allowed to say... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif) . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Blood_Splat
10-16-2007, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bhunter2112:
My take on all info available.

Game is still on
Hopefully be out first half of next year.
UBI will not be involved


UBI closes forums.
Everyone migrates to Maddox Paddocks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The great forum migration to 1C.
http://www.bvallc.com/pensionblog/uploaded_images/Crowd-702052.jpg

major_setback
10-16-2007, 06:10 PM
A deep thanks to Oleg for this.

I really am happy to see development pictures again. I came to the site today just to see if there was anything posted relating to the new sim, and 'Bingo', there it was!
Mind you, I do happen to come here every single day for exactly that reason! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

biggs222
10-16-2007, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Blood_Splat:

The great forum migration to 1C.
http://www.bvallc.com/pensionblog/uploaded_images/Crowd-702052.jpg

no, those people look half-sane. thats not what it will look like.

csThor
10-16-2007, 10:05 PM
Apparently some of you have forgotten that writing a physics engine that is flexible enough for the myriads of vastly different environments and circumstances of WW2 aerial warfare isn't a "piece of cake" and takes more than a few hours on a boring afternoon. Let's all lean back and wait for whatever comes our way - may it be new development updates of the same style or perhaps something new. I don't know and quite frankly as long as I am shown that there is progress (= SoW:BoB is being worked on) I don't care if it's MAX shots or something else. The real deal will be the released game and that is, IMO, still a long time away.

TX-Gunslinger
10-17-2007, 12:29 AM
I put my faith in Oleg - he ALWAYS comes through.

It may be later, may be earlier - but my money is on him, as he produces.

Gotta bookmark this thread so I can dig up some of these responses to throw back when the worlds most amazing new combat flight sim comes out.

"Oleg, this is Awesome!"
"Oleg, this makes FSX look like do-do"
"Oleg, I knew you could do it"

Hey, but you negative guys, you know everything. Easy to be negative.

So far it's been Oleg 5, forum whiners 0.
Il2 = 1
IL2FB = 2
AEP = 3
PF = 4
46 = 5

Only Oleg will build your next WW2 Flight Sim. Just who else do you think is lining up to do that?

Can you name anyone? Any company?

I didn't think so.

S~

Gunny

BaldieJr
10-17-2007, 12:42 AM
i like to pretend-fly its fun. i can pretend-fly any ol thing till bobsow comes along.

knightflyte
10-17-2007, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:
I put my faith in Oleg - he ALWAYS comes through.

It may be later, may be earlier - but my money is on him, as he produces.

Gotta bookmark this thread so I can dig up some of these responses to throw back when the worlds most amazing new combat flight sim comes out.

"Oleg, this is Awesome!"
"Oleg, this makes FSX look like do-do"
"Oleg, I knew you could do it"

Hey, but you negative guys, you know everything. Easy to be negative.

So far it's been Oleg 5, forum whiners 0.
Il2 = 1
IL2FB = 2
AEP = 3
PF = 4
46 = 5

Only Oleg will build your next WW2 Flight Sim. Just who else do you think is lining up to do that?

Can you name anyone? Any company?

I didn't think so.

S~

Gunny



Shockwave..... Flying Tigers. (Just sayin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

TX-Gunslinger
10-17-2007, 02:03 AM
Good point, for my incomplete sentence. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Forgot the word "Combat".

So let me rephrase -

So who besides Oleg is gonna build your WW2 Combat Flight Sim?

Aircraft without weapons don't count in this arena - sort of like ladies without teeth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S~

Gunny

skarden
10-17-2007, 02:24 AM
What! ladies with out teeth dont count? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

bugger eh,well I guess I'm a virgin again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

major_setback
10-19-2007, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
It's nice to see additional functional details, like the openable gun door. Surely this innovation will be one of many we'll see in BoB.



Well, exactly. Most people seem to be missing the point that what we are being shown is 'opening' doors, not the plane model (which we've seen before - unskinned).

skies_blade
10-20-2007, 05:14 PM
OMFG!!! You're a herd of whining school girls. Good God you whine and complaing,"The graphics don't impress me,I've seen better." Do any of you know how freeking hard the stuff they do is. From research to programming...Ugh atleast 1C and Oleg are even bringing us this game. Now I just got IL-2 a month ago and have been a terrible noob. I currently couldn't land the easiest of aircraft if my very life depended upon me doing so,but I'm told so is everyone at my point, so maybe what I say is noobishly sane. But I say give Oleg so gosh dang freekin space his god-given talents don't grow on trees dangit. Now I know some of you guys are fine but some others who contantly question the quality of what will be the best game created should SHUT UP!!!!

I shan't ever doubt you Oleg my friend

skies_blade
10-20-2007, 05:31 PM
It may be later, may be earlier - but my money is on him, as he produces.

Gotta bookmark this thread so I can dig up some of these responses to throw back when the worlds most amazing new combat flight sim comes out.

"Oleg, this is Awesome!"
"Oleg, this makes FSX look like do-do"
"Oleg, I knew you could do it"

Hey, but you negative guys, you know everything. Easy to be negative.

So far it's been Oleg 5, forum whiners 0.
Il2 = 1
IL2FB = 2
AEP = 3
PF = 4
46 = 5

Only Oleg will build your next WW2 Flight Sim. Just who else do you think is lining up to do that?

Can you name anyone? Any company?


Knight...I really like the way you think my fellow simmer. Gosh, a buch critics. Most of them couldn't produce a bloody patch for IL-2 in the amount of time it took their mothers to lose their virginity. Or for Oleg to bring us BOB. They are clueless to the enslaving work 1C does in cramped up cubicles they all know almost to well.

I for one say to those who want peace,let them welcome war!

Fighterduck
10-21-2007, 02:38 AM
nice screens...as a work in progress they look good. Im sure that graphically it will be ok, but at the moment im most curious about sounds.

NAFP_supah
10-21-2007, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:
Good point, for my incomplete sentence. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Forgot the word "Combat".

So let me rephrase -

So who besides Oleg is gonna build your WW2 Combat Flight Sim?

Aircraft without weapons don't count in this arena - sort of like ladies without teeth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S~

Gunny

The aircraft in the shockwave flying tiger game will be fully functional. And if thier recently released FSX P-40 is any measure of the quality they will achieve I think oleg doesn't even need to visit the pacific with his series anymore in 5 years.

Chivas
10-21-2007, 10:52 AM
Yes its great that Shockwave is developing FT, but we've seen nothing from that development. I have concerns that Merlins terrain graphic engine won't be up to tomorrows standards, but we will have to wait and see. Good combat flight sims are hard to find so I'm hoping they can pull it off.

skies_blade
11-03-2007, 02:29 PM
Does anyone have any news on maybe rumored or facted realease date of BoB.

Chivas
11-03-2007, 05:25 PM
Quite sometime ago Oleg stated that he hoped to have BOB out by the end of this year. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it going to make it. Olegs last statement was that the beta is getting closer every day but that could mean anything. My GUESS is that if beta makes it by the end of this year we may see BOB by Mar/Apr. Others closer to the project have hinted at a date closer to the end of next year. Whenever it gets here, it should be the next benchmark in combat flight sims. Oleg has no real competition at the moment although BOB WOV is a decent sim and their Flying Tigers project may also be well worth buying for any combat flight simmer.

skies_blade
11-04-2007, 08:59 AM
**** I didn't know they were talking that long. The end of this year is BETA!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif Oh this sucks why oh why. And who says that the a *could be* release date will be that far off. The end of next year?

Pirschjaeger
11-04-2007, 09:13 AM
I really don't understand some of the members in this community. Nothing Oleg or anyone else says holds weight until it's said after the game is released.

You guys know how much things change around these parts. Just give Oleg the benefit of the doubt and be patient. He hasn't really failed us yet has he?

The game will come whenever and it will start a 3 year development process 2 weeks after after that.

Fritz