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Lord-Raptor
10-21-2004, 01:59 PM
I neeed help in the jug, so far in my life on AEP i have been flying the spitfire all the time, and i have decided to fly the jug...

Iv been using boom n zoom tactics, with limited kills to be frank....

I was just wondering if anyone could help me, to be honest i getting reall "$!$"! off.

Thanks in Advance

madsarmy
10-21-2004, 02:11 PM
If you dont hear from Copperhead then give their website a visit.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?showforum=25

Zen--
10-21-2004, 02:25 PM
AFJ Mantis is an excellent P47 pilot, I've seen him quite often doing very well in it. I wouldn't doubt that he'd have some great suggestions.

PBNA-Boosher
10-21-2004, 04:05 PM
The objectivev in a Jug is to drive away the enemy, not necessarily shoot him to pieces. Being greedy and flying a Jug should not go together in one package. It will get you killed.

RedDeth
10-21-2004, 04:14 PM
ahem....

we have no true knowledge about mantis at this time. we suggest he is merely possibly off course weather balloons or electrical anomolies in the atmosphere.

any discussions about a mantis afj will be through appropriate channels. which could of course take years.

but until then we refute the existance of any mantises flying in jugs.

Cajun76
10-21-2004, 04:30 PM
Boosher, I'm surprised you didn't remember this thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=581107416&p=1

While I'm not the worlds authourity on the Jug, I agree with most of the responses in that thread with the exception of the "climbing vertical" guy. Only in speacial, overwhelming energy advantage situations should you attempt to go vertical on an opponent. Most everyone can go vertical much better than you. Stay fast and high, and practice deflection. The rest will come with experience. Any specific questions can be answered by various Jug drivers around here. Good luck, and

VW-IceFire
10-21-2004, 05:06 PM
Jug tactics:

1) Stay on the offensive. Always be above your opponent or with a large speed advantage. If he gets behind you...then tricky aerobatics are going to get you killed. Dive away or if you have no room to dive...firewall the throttle, close the rads, and hope that you're faster.

2) If you plan to fly it as a fighter...take the extra ammo load. Its the standard fighter sweep loadout while normal/drop tank is long range escort or ground attack loadout. With the extra ammo load, you have a long fire time...so don't be affraid to open fire in good bursts. Don't be spraying with them either...but if you think you have a good shot...don't worry about it too much...put that finger on the trigger. Becareful...the Jug has a wide array of .50cals so aircraft close in are harder to hit than ones further out. Convergence is deadly critical but so is it for the Spitfire.

3) Always keep in mind that you are in a heavier, stronger, and generally faster fighter. You don't have a good climb advantage like the Spitfire but you can use your weight to its advantage. Particularly in zoom climb. Get up over 400 or 450kph and you can climb pretty handily or escape. Remember that the Jug and the FW190 are two aircraft that are generally most manuverable over 400 kph while most other fighters are generally most manuverable between 250 and 390kph.

Eagle_361st
10-21-2004, 07:02 PM
I don't know how I managed to miss the other thread. But I will just add my little bit to what most everybody else has said. Pay extra attention to what Icefire has laid out. When you are flying the Jug you teter between master of the skies and target for everyone. It all depends on how smart you fly the ole' Jug that will determine which you are. My basic rules in the Jug are.

1) Stay high 4+ Km
2) Stay fast. never give your "E" and speed away in a fight. Keep your speed above 400 Kph to get the most out of the Jug.
3) Never make more than one pass on a target. This will make you learn to shoot properly and set yourself of properly. You can break this rule if you need to, but keep in mind that you are taking the chance of becoming a target yourself.
4) Know your escape routes and other features of the landscape that can assist you in a pinch.
5) Be sure you are very good at deflection shooting. I cannot stress how important this is. If you can't get your kills with deflection in the Jug fly something else. You cannot waste time lining up for that perfect pass, or staying locked on the tail and blasting away. Short controlled and well placed shots at angle will garner your best results and best chance of making multiple kills per sortie and surviving.

Lastly enjoy the big beast, there is not anything she can't do well in the right hands. And nothing is more satisfying than landing the big girl after a successful sortie on a DF server.

crazyivan1970
10-21-2004, 07:16 PM
Hi Raptor, you might wanna find Korolov, sometimes he trains guys on allied birds.