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BobV_07
03-10-2005, 11:41 AM

Nieldo
03-10-2005, 11:43 AM
I don't care, I just looked at the thread name, thought about it. opened it up and posted the response. Thats what most people who are offended should do, but they dont and thats when things spiral out of control into a 10 page thread.

Closed the thread and never looked at it since http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oops sorry, im not american but meh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Giantsfan24
03-10-2005, 11:44 AM
Well, i think it was a biased report and I voted offended only because I see this happening all the time. The right attacks the left. Left attacks the right. So on. Should we ban him...no I don;t think so. Do we need someone who can delete these kinds of posts...yes definitly.

Capt.LoneRanger
03-10-2005, 11:45 AM
Me too. Been on the forums too long to get upset from a dump moron.

erikkai66
03-10-2005, 11:47 AM
Does it matter? None of us were there. I don't believe the reporter's version of events is reliable, as she was already traumatized. I also don't believe anything the US government says without first seeing hard evidence. After all, I am an American.

In the end, I am here to get info on SH3. I am drooling with excitement. Politics don't belong here.

Rocco76
03-10-2005, 11:47 AM
If everyone treated the forums like a bar, everything would be fine.

No politics, religion, or her.

There was another thread that took pot shots at people who believe in God.

What's this world coming to?

Rocco

BobV_07
03-10-2005, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giantsfan24:
Well, i think it was a biased report and I voted offended only because I see this happening all the time. The right attacks the left. Left attacks the right. So on. Should we ban him...no I don;t think so. Do we need someone who can delete these kinds of posts...yes definitly. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I dont think we should ban him either! I like him and think he is a great forum member. But, as you can tell I did not like his thread.


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BobV_07
03-10-2005, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by erikkai66:
Does it matter? None of us were there. I don't believe the reporter's version of events is reliable, as she was already traumatized. I also don't believe anything the US government says without first seeing hard evidence. After all, I am an American.

In the end, I am here to get info on SH3. I am drooling with excitement. Politics don't belong here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, I agree! What government can be trusted?


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Nieldo
03-10-2005, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobV_07:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by erikkai66:
Does it matter? None of us were there. I don't believe the reporter's version of events is reliable, as she was already traumatized. I also don't believe anything the US government says without first seeing hard evidence. After all, I am an American.

In the end, I am here to get info on SH3. I am drooling with excitement. Politics don't belong here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, I agree! What government can be trusted?


http://adjunct.diodon349.com/photopoint/0037/0046.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tut tut, you agree that politics dont belong here. Thats a politics question :P

Messervy
03-10-2005, 11:57 AM
Now I am getting restless!!!!!!!!

Those who can`t deal with different opinions should stay away from threads that might offend them.
WE DON˙T NEED THIS FORUM TO BE POLICED!

There was a "Spanish" issue and our Spanish speaking frends took quite an amount of flak but they didn`t act like a cry babies!

SORRY if I just offended a load of people!

And yes, maybe I should stay quiet since I am not an American.
I just found out it is for Americans only.

Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 11:59 AM
Fact of the matter is

1) The post should never have been made
2) The poster should never have started spouting off about the american government.

The poster is one of those stubborn, opinionated morons who can't see in more then one direction. If you want to start a politercal argument, go do it elsewhere. We don't want to hear about it. I don't care if you put "OT" in front of the topic, its still not the place. So do us all a favor, and go to hell. Thanks.

Null04
03-10-2005, 12:01 PM
I am not American. But If you did not like the thread entitiled "OT: Italian Agent shot by US soldiers in Iraq" then I don't think you should play Silent Hunter III, since it simulates Nazi's killing the Allies.

And for the record, that thread was out of place and should have been locked since this is a Silent Hunter III board and so should this thread.

BobV_07
03-10-2005, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nieldo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobV_07:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by erikkai66:
Does it matter? None of us were there. I don't believe the reporter's version of events is reliable, as she was already traumatized. I also don't believe anything the US government says without first seeing hard evidence. After all, I am an American.

In the end, I am here to get info on SH3. I am drooling with excitement. Politics don't belong here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, I agree! What government can be trusted?


http://adjunct.diodon349.com/photopoint/0037/0046.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tut tut, you agree that politics dont belong here. Thats a politics question :P <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, your exactly right! This is a sub sim forum and not a politics forum. But when I see ill politics draged into this forum it chaps my hide something fierce! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif


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TankerAce
03-10-2005, 12:04 PM
Personally, I don't think Americans should be offended (yes, Im a yankee). Why? Because the entire world takes shots at us. Some poor SOB runs a checkpoint and gets fired upon. The Americans say that it was an accident (I'd bet it was), but the Italian Communist Party (the people who first started saying we were lying) and basically everyone who opposes US policy will condemn America. After seeing all the **** that has been said about what America does in the past 50 years, and despite the fact that if not for America many of those people who ***** about us wouldn't be in a position to do so, I find it funny. It's like the French. 1944 we liberate Paris, and by 1950 they are telling us to get the f*** out of their country, and to listen to what they want us to do.

Basically, I have the American attitude, in that "Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam n" what the rest of the world thinks. If they want to think that America is so evil that we shoot people for no reason, I think we should remamber that the next time some fascists are marching through their country, or hard line communists have nuclear missiles pointed at their capital.

I have no problem with Europe as a whole, but there are some people and political parties that make me sick, and make me thank God I live in the USA.

erikkai66
03-10-2005, 12:05 PM
Yeah, let's delete or lock all threads that don't relate to SH3 and cause problems. These political discussions don't stregthen the community.

Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Personally, I don't think Americans should be offended (yes, Im a yankee). Why? Because the entire world takes shots at us. Some poor SOB runs a checkpoint and gets fired upon. The Americans say that it was an accident (I'd bet it was), but the Italian Communist Party (the people who first started saying we were lying) and basically everyone who opposes US policy will condemn America. After seeing all the **** that has been said about what America does in the past 50 years, and despite the fact that if not for America many of those people who ***** about us wouldn't be in a position to do so, I find it funny. It's like the French. 1944 we liberate Paris, and by 1950 they are telling us to get the f*** out of their country, and to listen to what they want us to do.

Basically, I have the American attitude, in that "Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam n" what the rest of the world thinks. If they want to think that America is so evil that we shoot people for no reason, I think we should remamber that the next time some fascists are marching through their country, or hard line communists have nuclear missiles pointed at their capital.

I have no problem with Europe as a whole, but there are some people and political parties that make me sick, and make me thank God I live in the USA. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We need to stop feeding the troll. Although I share your feelings, This thread needs to be locked. If we continue to add gas to the fire, it will only make it worse.

Charlie901
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
People like that who deliberately post O.T. inflamatory discussions intended to cause arguments between members of this forum (creating dissention, sterotyping another person, country, political party, or religion) should have their posting privledges removed for one month.

Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 12:14 PM
Yep. Or longer.

BobV_07
03-10-2005, 12:15 PM
Let me say this and make it as plain as possible. My intent is not to slander my buddy the Kaptian! But only to piont out that his thread is offensive to Americans and thats it!!!!! Understood? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I meen him no ill at all. I think he is a VERY valuable member of this forum and it would not be the same without him around! And i dont think i can speek any more highly about him! I respectfuly disagree with his his thread in question.

THIS IS NOT A HATE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE KAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 12:16 PM
Still, he made a pretty stupid choice in posting that topic, and important or not, there should be ramifications.

Arsonide
03-10-2005, 12:16 PM
I really don't care, don't start this patriotic good soldier **** here either please. Personally I think OT posts shouldn't be allowed. This is a forum about Silent Hunter 3, not politics. Secondly, his topic was simply informing people that we apparently shot some guy in the middle of a war. Why would I find that offensive? This looks like troll bait to me, so please delete/lock the thread or something.

Nieldo
03-10-2005, 12:19 PM
Hows about we sort this out here and now.

This thread should die.

The next person to post in this thread is a big poo!

Starting NOW!

Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 12:19 PM
Did you read his thread? It wasent JUST the fact the topic had nothing to do with SHIII, but then he went on to spout off about how the american govt sucks blah blah blah. It just doesent belong here.

Nieldo
03-10-2005, 12:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nieldo:
Hows about we sort this out here and now.

This thread should die.

The next person to post in this thread is a big poo!

Starting NOW! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Starting now!

Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 12:20 PM
Oh god...yes, next person to post is a poo. Starting.....NOW

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KC23
03-10-2005, 12:27 PM
Mods, please delete this ****. There are plenty of forums on the net for this not to be needed here.

Just say no to trolls.

Nieldo
03-10-2005, 12:29 PM
Well it was going to DIE UNTILL U POSTED IN IT AND RE ACTIVATED IT

U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 12:39 PM
[sigh] Do we really need to drag this out any longer? People are accusing me of being a troll. I swear to you on my mother, father,dog's life that I had no intention to post simply for the sake of a future argument. Really, if I knew it would become so heated, I wouldn't have posted it. Once again, all I wanted to do was voice my opinion of America's government and government alone. I had no ill feelings for America, just issues with the government. BobV is a great guy and I have no quarrels with him, (thanks for the topic btw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif) so why would I hate all Americans?

Right, now I can finally say I have my own hate thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif.

Nieldo
03-10-2005, 12:41 PM
Look your dragging it on BY POSTING HERE, JUST LET IT BE!

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BobV_07
03-10-2005, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jreynol2game:
Still, he made a pretty stupid choice in posting that topic, and important or not, there should be ramifications. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, and thats my piont exactly! The ramifications for threads that are political or religious in subject should be that they get removed from this forum. Such individuals should be warned, then and only then if they persist in there polital or religious threads should they be bard from this forum for any amount of time.
I posted a political thread in here not to long ago and found out right away that it was a big mistake! So, I removed it by removing my question and the thread titel. We need to post "On Topic" threads. And that topic is SH3.


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Messervy
03-10-2005, 12:43 PM
You should have known better. You can`t criticise America and get away with it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 12:56 PM
But the thing is I didn't. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif The American people are a really nice bunch (towards Europeans at least) and I would never slander them in any way. But there is a difference between to public and the government.

Rocco76
03-10-2005, 12:56 PM
Why don't they just open an off topic forum?

Problem solved?

Rocco

BobV_07
03-10-2005, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>....Right, now I can finally say I have my own hate thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Ahhhh, I dont hate you! I don't think anybody dose. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I just disagreed with your thread.


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U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 12:59 PM
Yeah. Other forums do it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 01:03 PM
@BobV,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
dump moron. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jreynol2game:
stubborn, opinionated morons...So do us all a favor, and go to hell. Thanks...stop feeding the troll <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Last one was particularly mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Rocco76
03-10-2005, 01:06 PM
To be honest, it's the only answer. I come here to find out the latest news and discussions on Silent Hunter III. Instead, the space is cluttered with discussions that have nothing at all to do with SHIII. It's a distraction to me, and possibly others.

Who's the administrator, and how hard would it be to start an off topic forum?

Rocco

BobV_07
03-10-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by U-551 Kapitan:
But the thing is I didn't. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif The American people are a really nice bunch (towards Europeans at least) and I would never slander them in any way. But there is a difference between to public and the government. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Kapitan, what if I were to go to your country and wear a shirt that has the American flag on it and says "I'm proud to be an American"? Keep in mind I'm not a government official or even an American soldier. What do you think the general feeling twards me would be? Would people like me or tend to dislike or even hate me? I would be willing to guess that they would at the very least dislike me. And that would be mainly due to all the anti-American bios news coverage that the world see's. So my whole piont is, why post threads like that? They only stimulate anti-American sentiment. So please folks, lets not post threads of this sort of nature any more! We got an awesome game coming up here real soon, so lets talk about it. And thats something I think that we can all agree on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif As far as I'm concerned i'm done with this thread. I think that the piont has been made. Hopefuly we will not see anymore political threads posted anymore in this forum. And that my friends is the main reason that I have posted this thread. So, let us move forward at FLANK speed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


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U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 01:38 PM
Nah, the majority of us would be indifferent http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif. Probably work like: Be nice to us and we'll be nice to you. We're not as intimidating as we make out. I guess it would just be like all those Brit tourists, with beer bellies, you see with union jack flags plastered all over their clothes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Leif...
03-10-2005, 02:03 PM
>Kapitan, what if I were to go to your country and wear a shirt that has
>the American flag on it and says "I'm proud to be an American"


No, you wouldn€t be hated nor disliked, but we, the Swedes, would think to ourselves €œYep, that€s a stereotypical American.€ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Leif€¦

Jreynol2game
03-10-2005, 02:04 PM
I think ark said it in another thread,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"It's like a crack house in here, once the high wears off, everyone get very touchy." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kapitan Apoligized, that should be enough for everyone. I think we all really just want this game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 02:17 PM
TY, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif let's get with our shared SH3 obsession.

Delfin1941
03-10-2005, 03:46 PM
lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


I predict a conflict between British and Americans here on this forum..
(Bits will thake their submarine into american waters and sink oil tankers, while the Americans will drive Uboats to the British Isle and blockade it!
haha - this game will be fun!

Ice414
03-10-2005, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TankerAce:
Personally, I don't think Americans should be offended (yes, Im a yankee). Why? Because the entire world takes shots at us. Some poor SOB runs a checkpoint and gets fired upon. The Americans say that it was an accident (I'd bet it was), but the Italian Communist Party (the people who first started saying we were lying) and basically everyone who opposes US policy will condemn America. After seeing all the **** that has been said about what America does in the past 50 years, and despite the fact that if not for America many of those people who ***** about us wouldn't be in a position to do so, I find it funny. It's like the French. 1944 we liberate Paris, and by 1950 they are telling us to get the f*** out of their country, and to listen to what they want us to do.

Basically, I have the American attitude, in that "Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam n" what the rest of the world thinks. If they want to think that America is so evil that we shoot people for no reason, I think we should remamber that the next time some fascists are marching through their country, or hard line communists have nuclear missiles pointed at their capital.

I have no problem with Europe as a whole, but there are some people and political parties that make me sick, and make me thank God I live in the USA. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Im with this man the the hell with Europe PROUD TO BE BORN IN THE U.S.A.

rugerat1
03-10-2005, 04:58 PM
As a proud American,and a proud supporter of President Bush, I have to say that I'm more
irritated then offended. The post was marked
OT and the choice to look was mine. Should the Kapitain be banned or his thread blocked? No,No,No,NO!!! I don't think his opinion is very valid considering he, like most of us, weren't there. Statements like "trigger-happy Americans" aren't very helpful either. I think the anti-Bush sediments expressed by the Kapitain are pure rubbish, but I defend his right to speak his mind. Freedom of speech will expose all of us to unpleasant and offensive opinions, but censoring out that which we don't like is uglier still.

U-551 Kapitan
03-10-2005, 05:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rugerat1:
Statements like "trigger-happy Americans" aren't very helpful either. I think the anti-Bush sediments expressed by the Kapitain are pure rubbish, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually took out all the irrational statements. Trigger happy is long gone, now it just states the facts, perhaps slightly skewed against Bush, but certainly nothing major.

BoneDaddy1844
03-10-2005, 06:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by U-551 Kapitan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rugerat1:
Statements like "trigger-happy Americans" aren't very helpful either. I think the anti-Bush sediments expressed by the Kapitain are pure rubbish, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually took out all the irrational statements. Trigger happy is long gone, now it just states the facts, perhaps slightly skewed against Bush, but certainly nothing major. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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HansVonLuck21
03-10-2005, 06:22 PM
I already posted in the original thread so everyone knows where I stand. I was not really offended becuase I am use to seeing people from other countries in Europe post half led facts about America or act like they know all about our govt.

I was over In Iraq and saw what happened first hand, and it just bothers me that people think the situation is worse when they are only posting from what they hear about on the tele or the news papers in their country.

Lchza
03-10-2005, 07:07 PM
[QUOTE]It's like the French. 1944 we liberate Paris, and by 1950 they are telling us to get the f*** out of their country, and to listen to what they want us to do.QUOTE]

If it wasnt for the French, There wouldnt be a United States like we know it today. I think they helped you in your independence, dont they?

Dutch_vn38416
03-10-2005, 07:39 PM
Well, it is no longer uncommon (unfortunaty) for the all wise all knowing forgiener to pass judgment on the United States. For someone reason everyone else on Earth believes they know what best for the United States' wellbieng more than the US does.

I have come to take some forgien comment of the US with a grain of salt(Like the France Abasador to India or w/e commented that the only reason the US sends releif supplies to the people of the Tsunami disastor was to be able to boast about it. That the US troops INTENTIALLY shot at a speed motor vehical that ran through numours checkpoints which just happen to hold a Italian "seceret" agent.)

It seems to me that the gentle giant of the world is now become the one who everone hates on. If we try to do something good, we get gripped out by people who want the US to do nothing at all. If we do nothing at all, we get gripped out by those same people for bieng lazy and uncaring.

I've heard it once said that you can't please everyone and now days it is so blaintently true. People hate the United States for a few reason and this is MHO. They dont like us because we are very prospurous. Because we do tend to medle in forgiener affairs for the good of the world. Or they have held a grudge against us for so long that they don't even know why they don't like us.

It seems to me that no matter what the US does, it will allways be the scapegoat for the other countries of the world. I am not a forigner hater. Yes I live in the US, but I do appreciate all the things the countries around us have done for us and others. But let me just say one thing. If you don't live in the United States, then you can in no way pass judgment on exactly how "corrupt" you think our nation is. Cause the turth of the matter is, you are looking in from the outside, not the inside. We live in the **** country, I would think we would know just a we bit more about it than you would, and though you are intitled to your opionion, if you try to cram it down ours and others throats, you will get it spit right back into your face.

I will admit, I am not the most intelligent of Americans. I attend a small High School in a small town in the great state of Texas (yes the steer and queer state...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) I love my country more than anything. As a matter of fact as of Feburary 9th of this year I am PVT/E1 in my nations Army. I will fight for my country and I will fight for the right to defend my country either militarily or shoving the ingnorant ungratful words of our forgien friends back up thier arses.

I apologize for the frankness of this post and I have siad all this to say this.

The "OT" post made by whoever did not offend me, but the way that it was presented was. I am very disappointed in the person responsible for the post but none the less think no less of that person, he/she is entitled to thier opinion. I just wish that person would have chosen not to try and start a flame war over such a very sensitive subject.

Lchza
03-10-2005, 10:51 PM
Go freedom force!!, as an emperor once said the US is a Giant, or as u said a Gentle Giant. Or maybe as one of your presidents said, the US has responsability of playing the role of police of the world, and u are, killem all SON!!
You are the only light shinning in this world as Rome was once.

PS:U dont owe anithing to anyone, everyone owes the US for their righteousness!!

wolfh2o
03-10-2005, 11:06 PM
we have a comedian...are you here all week?

julien673
03-10-2005, 11:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lchza:
Go freedom force!!, as an emperor once said the US is a Giant, or as u said a Gentle Giant. Or maybe as one of your presidents said, the US has responsability of playing the role of police of the world, and u are, killem all SON!!
You are the only light shinning in this world as Rome was once.

PS:U dont owe anithing to anyone, everyone owes the US for their righteousness!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

God bless america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .... and i realy respect then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are great and generous whit the other country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are never at peace ( more then 2 year ) for the glorious of the God http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ... to see how much the america is great.. you only need to see the south america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We love you.. you love me pataptapat... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

First of all, to talk about politic in game forum is very great !!!! And for the second think, don t busy us whit your lovely america ... and to finish.. the people who said that the america is great ( but i m agree its very powerfull ) ... go back in school.. or stop studying the propaganda http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The empire country are never good for the other one.. its why its a empire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

ingsoc41
03-10-2005, 11:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dutch_vn38416:
Well, it is no longer uncommon (unfortunaty) for the all wise all knowing forgiener to pass judgment on the United States. For someone reason everyone else on Earth believes they know what best for the United States' wellbieng more than the US does.

I have come to take some forgien comment of the US with a grain of salt(Like the France Abasador to India or w/e commented that the only reason the US sends releif supplies to the people of the Tsunami disastor was to be able to boast about it. That the US troops INTENTIALLY shot at a speed motor vehical that ran through numours checkpoints which just happen to hold a Italian "seceret" agent.)

It seems to me that the gentle giant of the world is now become the one who everone hates on. If we try to do something good, we get gripped out by people who want the US to do nothing at all. If we do nothing at all, we get gripped out by those same people for bieng lazy and uncaring.

I've heard it once said that you can't please everyone and now days it is so blaintently true. People hate the United States for a few reason and this is MHO. They dont like us because we are very prospurous. Because we do tend to medle in forgiener affairs for the good of the world. Or they have held a grudge against us for so long that they don't even know why they don't like us.

It seems to me that no matter what the US does, it will allways be the scapegoat for the other countries of the world. I am not a forigner hater. Yes I live in the US, but I do appreciate all the things the countries around us have done for us and others. But let me just say one thing. If you don't live in the United States, then you can in no way pass judgment on exactly how "corrupt" you think our nation is. Cause the turth of the matter is, you are looking in from the outside, not the inside. We live in the **** country, I would think we would know just a we bit more about it than you would, and though you are intitled to your opionion, if you try to cram it down ours and others throats, you will get it spit right back into your face.

I will admit, I am not the most intelligent of Americans. I attend a small High School in a small town in the great state of Texas (yes the steer and queer state...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) I love my country more than anything. As a matter of fact as of Feburary 9th of this year I am PVT/E1 in my nations Army. I will fight for my country and I will fight for the right to defend my country either militarily or shoving the ingnorant ungratful words of our forgien friends back up thier arses.

I apologize for the frankness of this post and I have siad all this to say this.

The "OT" post made by whoever did not offend me, but the way that it was presented was. I am very disappointed in the person responsible for the post but none the less think no less of that person, he/she is entitled to thier opinion. I just wish that person would have chosen not to try and start a flame war over such a very sensitive subject. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Dutch..well said..for ....you are quite wrong to say that you are not the most intellgent of Americans..I'd say your quite intelligent...that is not because I agree with your opinion (I do).but because you are quite articulate..which is a pretty valuable thing in this world..
I will point out my observations..I lived in Austria during the early 80's..I hitchhiked and met so many wonderful Europeans..at that time there was quite a bit of US-Russian saber rattling..and the rest of europe was caught in the middle and rightfully a bit on edge with 10,000 soviet tanks on the eastergerman border waiting to punch the lines..I will say what I experienced then was a general liking and very high liking and admiration towards the Americans....when the drivers found out we were amearicans..they were consistently very happy and loved to talk about the state of the world...that all has changed...quite dramatically...we hear Russia is a friend of the US..but living in Russia and witenessing the nightly Russian news broadcasts first hand (and speaking Russian myself) I can tell you that the news is vehemently anti american..and only plays stories that are quite negative ....twisting the truth...mixing it with half truths...botched facts..outright lies..and only highlighting the bad..never do I see positive news stories about the US..so..things are not always what they seem...I understand to a degree this sentiment..I dont share it..but I can see where it comes from...i can also say that this sentiment is probably much fueled by similar half truths...twisted facts presented to much of Europe through their media....I also agree with Tanker..it will only take something like what happened here on 9/11 to happen overseas to possibly wake up the rest of the world to this fight against terrorism..spain had a bit of it..but they did a 180...unfotunately..it happens...I know these posts are way off topic..but perhaps because we all for sooo longs have been awaiting this game..and one can only post so many topics re sh3..will it have this or that...I will do this or that..after a while..people are bound to want to discuss something else..I do not feel anyone should censor posting here re topics..if one does..then it defeat the purpose of free independent speech and thought..which is what all those souls who died fighting in WWII fought for..so that we may discuss openly that which we hold near and dear to us....just my three cents worth

ingsoc41
03-11-2005, 12:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by julien673:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lchza:
Go freedom force!!, as an emperor once said the US is a Giant, or as u said a Gentle Giant. Or maybe as one of your presidents said, the US has responsability of playing the role of police of the world, and u are, killem all SON!!
You are the only light shinning in this world as Rome was once.

PS:U dont owe anithing to anyone, everyone owes the US for their righteousness!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

God bless america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .... and i realy respect then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are great and generous whit the other country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are never at peace ( more then 2 year ) for the glorious of the God http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ... to see how much the america is great.. you only need to see the south america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We love you.. you love me pataptapat... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

First of all, to talk about politic in game forum is very great !!!! And for the second think, don t busy us whit your lovely america ... and to finish.. the people who said that the america is great ( but i m agree its very powerfull ) ... go back in school.. or stop studying the propaganda http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The empire country are never good for the other one.. its why its a empire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Julien..it dosnt surprise me that you dont think America is great..I dont know your age..you write fairly poorly( I know I have bad spelling by its more typos trying to type and finish a message)..but perhaps you are not a native english speaker..so If you arnt..then I understand...I can only say that from what I have read and heard..and I read enough differnt views from differnt sources to form what I believe to be a well founded opinion..that many Canadians dont like their little brother to the south..but then ..Canada has a luxury that many democracies do not have..they have rather small army....and are able if the "sh##" were eve to really hit the fan..to rely upon the military power of the US to protect them../meanwhile ..they denounce and trash us.and get to spend thie canadian dollars on lots of other productive things other than a large military...so..Julien..I dont think you should be telling us to go back to school if we think America is great...Americans just as any other people are entitled to be proud of thier country ....that dosnt mean we always believe or trust the government..but Im talking about pride and love of ones country..if you dont or cannot understand this...then you may want to get a bit more education...however..my educated guess is that your still in school..and quite young and naive.

U-551 Kapitan
03-11-2005, 12:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ingsoc41:
then you may want to get a bit more education...however..my educated guess is that your still in school..and quite young and naive. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ANOTHER EVIL AGE DISCRIMINATOR!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

FFS, how long will it take you guys to get it into your heads that I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICANS. Jesus, can you try reading my posts first before seeing one comment and flaming the forums?

Muppetts
03-11-2005, 12:54 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I love forum boards!! You all get so wound up over a post in a board about a game!!

Who cares, all you do is show how easy it is to push your buttons, relax flame wars happen on every board, oddly enough game boards are well known for it, many having uber police laws locking any thread that even hints at anything flame'ish. It will happen here as well, nature of the boards.

The runners of the site will need to set up an off topic or announce there will be no off topic threads only game discussion (which would be a relief considering other Ubi Soft game Boards that are full of locked threads! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

PS Last Word - If you want to complain PM the board GM's DO NOT start a new thread and another Flame War!! In general I think this sites memebers are very good, so lets try to move away from calling people morons or starting answers with Actually (my private hate word!)
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Mup

daniel671967
03-11-2005, 05:09 AM
yes,i find it offensive.mainly because im in the military and i recently returned from there.

mazexx
03-11-2005, 05:58 AM
If there are any mods out there:

PLEASE LOCK/DELETE THIS THREAD!

We've all seen these threads in every forum around the world since 9/11 and I've never seen any one of them lead to anything but people from both sides picking up school yard rethorics. This is really sad as one starts wondering where the world is going...

/Mazex (from Sweden - since long neutral http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

SDG73
03-11-2005, 06:21 AM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of the US.In the mean time we will continue to kick *** while the rest of the world sits back and *****es.Godbless all the US and British forces that have the balls to stand up and do what no one else will.

SeminoleX
03-11-2005, 08:16 AM
Gee guys ...since WWII the Euros have had America play the role of nuturing mother and protective father for them.

Now they have become the petulant teenager trying the demonstrate a wee bit of indepedence from Mom and Dad and like children will they rebel and pitch the occasional tantrum.

I see no need to argue with them. Like the President has been doing we tell them how things will be and they have no real option other than to obey.

Of course there will be the howls of protest before they fall in line but again...that's just to be expected when dealing with children.

Dominicrigg
03-11-2005, 08:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif What a lovely attitude you have. Im starting to be swayed the other way (anti US) by some of these arguments.

What with "America saved the world" and "you all suck". I think you are as bad as the Anti US people in your secular mentality.

Styx1962
03-11-2005, 08:43 AM
Two old sayings come to mind..." Everyone is entitled to their oppinion" and "There is a time and place for everything". A game forum is not the place for politics period.

HansVonLuck21
03-11-2005, 08:46 AM
Well said Dutch. I think most of us Americans feel that same way you do!

Good luck in the ARMY... what MOS you thinking aobut going into?

kafe_konjak
03-11-2005, 08:49 AM
C'NA E CATE KARIN

BobV_07
03-11-2005, 08:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ingsoc41:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dutch_vn38416:
Well, it is no longer uncommon (unfortunaty) for the all wise all knowing forgiener to pass judgment on the United States. For someone reason everyone else on Earth believes they know what best for the United States' wellbieng more than the US does.

I have come to take some forgien comment of the US with a grain of salt(Like the France Abasador to India or w/e commented that the only reason the US sends releif supplies to the people of the Tsunami disastor was to be able to boast about it. That the US troops INTENTIALLY shot at a speed motor vehical that ran through numours checkpoints which just happen to hold a Italian "seceret" agent.)

It seems to me that the gentle giant of the world is now become the one who everone hates on. If we try to do something good, we get gripped out by people who want the US to do nothing at all. If we do nothing at all, we get gripped out by those same people for bieng lazy and uncaring.

I've heard it once said that you can't please everyone and now days it is so blaintently true. People hate the United States for a few reason and this is MHO. They dont like us because we are very prospurous. Because we do tend to medle in forgiener affairs for the good of the world. Or they have held a grudge against us for so long that they don't even know why they don't like us.

It seems to me that no matter what the US does, it will allways be the scapegoat for the other countries of the world. I am not a forigner hater. Yes I live in the US, but I do appreciate all the things the countries around us have done for us and others. But let me just say one thing. If you don't live in the United States, then you can in no way pass judgment on exactly how "corrupt" you think our nation is. Cause the turth of the matter is, you are looking in from the outside, not the inside. We live in the **** country, I would think we would know just a we bit more about it than you would, and though you are intitled to your opionion, if you try to cram it down ours and others throats, you will get it spit right back into your face.

I will admit, I am not the most intelligent of Americans. I attend a small High School in a small town in the great state of Texas (yes the steer and queer state...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) I love my country more than anything. As a matter of fact as of Feburary 9th of this year I am PVT/E1 in my nations Army. I will fight for my country and I will fight for the right to defend my country either militarily or shoving the ingnorant ungratful words of our forgien friends back up thier arses.

I apologize for the frankness of this post and I have siad all this to say this.

The "OT" post made by whoever did not offend me, but the way that it was presented was. I am very disappointed in the person responsible for the post but none the less think no less of that person, he/she is entitled to thier opinion. I just wish that person would have chosen not to try and start a flame war over such a very sensitive subject. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Dutch..well said..for ....you are quite wrong to say that you are not the most intellgent of Americans..I'd say your quite intelligent...that is not because I agree with your opinion (I do).but because you are quite articulate..which is a pretty valuable thing in this world..
I will point out my observations..I lived in Austria during the early 80's..I hitchhiked and met so many wonderful Europeans..at that time there was quite a bit of US-Russian saber rattling..and the rest of europe was caught in the middle and rightfully a bit on edge with 10,000 soviet tanks on the eastergerman border waiting to punch the lines..I will say what I experienced then was a general liking and very high liking and admiration towards the Americans....when the drivers found out we were amearicans..they were consistently very happy and loved to talk about the state of the world...that all has changed...quite dramatically...we hear Russia is a friend of the US..but living in Russia and witenessing the nightly Russian news broadcasts first hand (and speaking Russian myself) I can tell you that the news is vehemently anti american..and only plays stories that are quite negative ....twisting the truth...mixing it with half truths...botched facts..outright lies..and only highlighting the bad..never do I see positive news stories about the US..so..things are not always what they seem...I understand to a degree this sentiment..I dont share it..but I can see where it comes from...i can also say that this sentiment is probably much fueled by similar half truths...twisted facts presented to much of Europe through their media....I also agree with Tanker..it will only take something like what happened here on 9/11 to happen overseas to possibly wake up the rest of the world to this fight against terrorism..spain had a bit of it..but they did a 180...unfotunately..it happens...I know these posts are way off topic..but perhaps because we all for sooo longs have been awaiting this game..and one can only post so many topics re sh3..will it have this or that...I will do this or that..after a while..people are bound to want to discuss something else..I do not feel anyone should censor posting here re topics..if one does..then it defeat the purpose of free independent speech and thought..which is what all those souls who died fighting in WWII fought for..so that we may discuss openly that which we hold near and dear to us....just my three cents worth <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'd say a million dollars worth! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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U-551 Kapitan
03-11-2005, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SDG73:
In the mean time we will continue to kick *** while the rest of the world sits back and *****es. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Is this the stereotypical US understanding? You 'kick ***' (no mention on whether its the bad side or not) while everyone else does nothing? I think you'll find the rest of the world tries to come to a peaceful understanding of events while America 'kicks ***.'

@Dom,
don't say anti-US, say anti-US govt. There ya go, welcome to our side of the argument.

finchOU
03-11-2005, 09:14 AM
come on Kaptain....saying you hate our government but love our people is like say you hate my family but you love me......for better or worse, our country has its checks and balances to makes sure our government changes as we do...so we do have the power to change government...so its still a slap in the face. The world seemingly loved us with Clinton(not too bad a guy), but hates us with Bush (persception I got anyway)? Sure Bush is a little too religous (for my tastes) and is from Texas (I went to OU...big rivalry).....but what do I like about him?...he is not a Gutless pupit...

U-551 Kapitan
03-11-2005, 09:22 AM
I guess it must have some relation to the American ppl, since you do vote him in. But being anti-US govt is certainly nothing like being anti-american. I could say your all overweight pigs who eat pretzels (which I'm not, since that would be prejudiced, something which I try to avoid.), like you could say we were stiff upper lipped posh ppl with bad teeth. But I haven't passed that line.
The thing is, Bush tries, and he means well, but he's too, well... thick. He screws things up and without a pre planned speech (which he messes up anyway) he gets himself confused.

julien673
03-11-2005, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ingsoc41:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by julien673:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lchza:
Go freedom force!!, as an emperor once said the US is a Giant, or as u said a Gentle Giant. Or maybe as one of your presidents said, the US has responsability of playing the role of police of the world, and u are, killem all SON!!
You are the only light shinning in this world as Rome was once.

PS:U dont owe anithing to anyone, everyone owes the US for their righteousness!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

God bless america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .... and i realy respect then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are great and generous whit the other country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are never at peace ( more then 2 year ) for the glorious of the God http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ... to see how much the america is great.. you only need to see the south america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We love you.. you love me pataptapat... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

First of all, to talk about politic in game forum is very great !!!! And for the second think, don t busy us whit your lovely america ... and to finish.. the people who said that the america is great ( but i m agree its very powerfull ) ... go back in school.. or stop studying the propaganda http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The empire country are never good for the other one.. its why its a empire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Julien..it dosnt surprise me that you dont think America is great..I dont know your age..you write fairly poorly( I know I have bad spelling by its more typos trying to type and finish a message)..but perhaps you are not a native english speaker..so If you arnt..then I understand...I can only say that from what I have read and heard..and I read enough differnt views from differnt sources to form what I believe to be a well founded opinion..that many Canadians dont like their little brother to the south..but then ..Canada has a luxury that many democracies do not have..they have rather small army....and are able if the "sh##" were eve to really hit the fan..to rely upon the military power of the US to protect them../meanwhile ..they denounce and trash us.and get to spend thie canadian dollars on lots of other productive things other than a large military...so..Julien..I dont think you should be telling us to go back to school if we think America is great...Americans just as any other people are entitled to be proud of thier country ....that dosnt mean we always believe or trust the government..but Im talking about pride and love of ones country..if you dont or cannot understand this...then you may want to get a bit more education...however..my educated guess is that your still in school..and quite young and naive. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My first language isnt the english... so i can t find all my work to talk clearly. My topic was about to talk about the people who belive the america is a peacefull country.... and maybe i had much more studies in my background then you can t belive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I m not talking about patriotisme think... its much more about reality. if i was a american, i will be happy to controll all the world and exploitate then.. for the luxure. But you can said the america is correct whit the other country.. you can t said that.

ingsoc41
03-11-2005, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by U-551 Kapitan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ingsoc41:
then you may want to get a bit more education...however..my educated guess is that your still in school..and quite young and naive. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ANOTHER EVIL AGE DISCRIMINATOR!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

FFS, how long will it take you guys to get it into your heads that I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICANS. Jesus, can you try reading my posts first before seeing one comment and flaming the forums? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Imnot at all an age discriminator..many young people are educated.bright..articulate and wonderful.those individuals I applaud..however..many are not so bright.and naive..and this shows in their postings...some of the most intellignet people I know are under 18..its just that..they are INTELLIGENT...ignorance does not discriminate..it exists in people in all ages.but in some people..its obvious they are both young (not a problem) and ignornat (big problem) the two combined is not good at all..just like an old ignorant person..both are bad situations

ingsoc41
03-11-2005, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by julien673:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ingsoc41:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by julien673:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lchza:
Go freedom force!!, as an emperor once said the US is a Giant, or as u said a Gentle Giant. Or maybe as one of your presidents said, the US has responsability of playing the role of police of the world, and u are, killem all SON!!
You are the only light shinning in this world as Rome was once.

PS:U dont owe anithing to anyone, everyone owes the US for their righteousness!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

God bless america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .... and i realy respect then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are great and generous whit the other country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif... they are never at peace ( more then 2 year ) for the glorious of the God http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ... to see how much the america is great.. you only need to see the south america http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We love you.. you love me pataptapat... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

First of all, to talk about politic in game forum is very great !!!! And for the second think, don t busy us whit your lovely america ... and to finish.. the people who said that the america is great ( but i m agree its very powerfull ) ... go back in school.. or stop studying the propaganda http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The empire country are never good for the other one.. its why its a empire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Julien..it dosnt surprise me that you dont think America is great..I dont know your age..you write fairly poorly( I know I have bad spelling by its more typos trying to type and finish a message)..but perhaps you are not a native english speaker..so If you arnt..then I understand...I can only say that from what I have read and heard..and I read enough differnt views from differnt sources to form what I believe to be a well founded opinion..that many Canadians dont like their little brother to the south..but then ..Canada has a luxury that many democracies do not have..they have rather small army....and are able if the "sh##" were eve to really hit the fan..to rely upon the military power of the US to protect them../meanwhile ..they denounce and trash us.and get to spend thie canadian dollars on lots of other productive things other than a large military...so..Julien..I dont think you should be telling us to go back to school if we think America is great...Americans just as any other people are entitled to be proud of thier country ....that dosnt mean we always believe or trust the government..but Im talking about pride and love of ones country..if you dont or cannot understand this...then you may want to get a bit more education...however..my educated guess is that your still in school..and quite young and naive. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My first language isnt the english... so i can t find all my work to talk clearly. My topic was about to talk about the people who belive the america is a peacefull country.... and maybe i had much more studies in my background then you can t belive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I m not talking about patriotisme think... its much more about reality. if i was a american, i will be happy to controll all the world and exploitate then.. for the luxure. But you can said the america is correct whit the other country.. you can t said that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Julien..dont get me too wrong..Im sure you a great guy and mean well...its just..I dont have such a simplistic view of america as ane exploiter

BoneDaddy1844
03-11-2005, 05:27 PM
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AKA44
03-11-2005, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobV_07:
How many Americans find U-551 Kapitan's thread entitled "OT: Italian Agent shot by US soldiers in Iraq" to be offensive?

I could be wrong in my feelings about this and so I wanted to find out what other Americans on this forum have felt concerning this thread.

1. I could be alone on this.
2. I could have the same feelings as other Americans about U-551 Kapitan's thread.

If the first, them I'm way to sensitive and if the later then I do believe that I have a valid piont! I shall let the pole decide.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What a ****ing dumb poll!!!
It's a international forum, u should add choices for non-americans to tell if U-551 Kapitan's thread is offending or not.
That's pretty much why some people don't like Americans, they don't care of others opinion.

BobV_07
03-11-2005, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AKA44:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobV_07:
How many Americans find U-551 Kapitan's thread entitled "OT: Italian Agent shot by US soldiers in Iraq" to be offensive?

I could be wrong in my feelings about this and so I wanted to find out what other Americans on this forum have felt concerning this thread.

1. I could be alone on this.
2. I could have the same feelings as other Americans about U-551 Kapitan's thread.

If the first, them I'm way to sensitive and if the later then I do believe that I have a valid piont! I shall let the pole decide.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What a ****ing dumb poll!!!
It's a international forum, u should add choices for non-americans to tell if U-551 Kapitan's thread is offending or not.
That's pretty much why some people don't like Americans, they don't care of others opinion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There, its fixed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif


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AKA44
03-11-2005, 06:45 PM
thx http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BobV_07
03-11-2005, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AKA44:
thx http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You welcome! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Messervy
03-11-2005, 06:56 PM
Now that is a conversation I like.
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Congrats to both of you!

Pr0metheus 1962
03-11-2005, 07:05 PM
Personally I'm surprised that so many Americans aren't offended (nearly 2/3rds at this point). No one likes to see his country criticized, even when the criticism may be justified. It's interesting that so many Americans can be objective. I doubt so many people would be so accepting of criticism in many other countries.

DaSloth
03-11-2005, 07:07 PM
I just found the title "Attention all Americans and Non-Americans" sort of bizarre http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif... why did'nt you just say "Attention Earthlings!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Messervy
03-11-2005, 07:11 PM
If you care to look deeper you will find that one to! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

DaSloth
03-11-2005, 07:15 PM
I tried reading all of it, but the drivel made my eyes hurt.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Messervy
03-11-2005, 07:17 PM
And the answer to your question is because they don`t mix well! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BobV_07
03-11-2005, 07:29 PM
Mess Master, your suppose be in bed. Get to bed sailor. Thats an order! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


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Messervy
03-11-2005, 07:33 PM
I am in bed! Search for: "Show your command area" thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BobV_07
03-11-2005, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Messervy:
I am in bed! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gifMesservy


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xrvjorn
03-13-2005, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeminoleX:
I see no need to argue with them. Like the President has been doing we tell them how things will be and they have no real option other than to obey.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When that president says things like:
- "The majority of US imports come from foreign coutries" and
- "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepeneur", there is also the option to laugh.

Unless you had a choice of parents and country before you where born, your country of birth is pure coincidence. To be proud of, or ashamed of something someone else has done, merely because chance placed them in the same country, is complete nonsense.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-13-2005, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xrvjorn:
Unless you had a choice of parents and country before you where born, your country of birth is pure coincidence. To be proud of, or ashamed of something someone else has done, merely because chance placed them in the same country, is complete nonsense. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said!

Franzen
03-13-2005, 10:12 AM
I didn't read all the posts in here and couldn't find Kapitans thread. Based on what I have read, I do have an opinion.

People never look at the bigger picture. The headlines are designed to guide you, for better or worse. When I see threads like this one it reminds me that the majority of people are sheep, being led by the shepards.

A little something about me; born into a German immigrant family in Canada, 21 years after Germany surrendered. I'm first generation Canadian. Unless he knew how to through ****ty diapers my father was too young to fight. Opa was a musician in the military. That makes him a Nazi to the ignorant but I can assure you his musical abilities never killed anyone.

From Kindergarten in Canada I was often called "nazi" or "jew killer" long before I ever knew what it meant. I guess having a name like mine(Fritz Franzen)makes me a nazi, at least to the ignorant.

So now you are probably thinking"well, you know children". That would be your ignorant side speaking. Where would children learn this? Ok, now you are starting to think.

Next, what has it to do with this thread? The answer is simple. In the IL2 general discussions(very similar to this forum) I have been called the same names on emore than one occasion, simply because I didn't agree with what a couple of Americans said.

The ramificasions? Nothing happened. A few buddies, including Americans, wrote complaints to the mods and of course, nothing happened. Anyone who has ever participated in il2 GD know how easy it is to have your thread locked or to get banned. But as soon as something is said against Americans the bans and locks are there.

I'm not bashing Americans here, it's not my style and actually I feel sorry for what their government does to them. But americans need to learn to be not so defensive. The world hates American government, not the people.

About Kapitans post; as I said I wasn't able to read it. I would guess he was a bit emotional about the incident. Then he came to this forum, feeling as part of a community, and posted his thoughts and feelings. So, should he be bashed for this? Or banned? I think not. He should probably get a warning. I've read a lot of his posts and they are pretty good. We have to think of his intentions. Was he trying to insult or offend people? Or was he simply expressing something he felt very strongly about, in a community he feels part of. I would guess it was the latter.

So, should we put him in the chair or talk to him? Let's go a little further. Let's toast the guy that started this thread. Why not? Maybe he actually set the stage for more insults and offenses. Or, was he affected emotionally by Kapitans thread that he wanted to share his feelings in a community he feels part of.

Listen guyz, throwing a switch takes no effort or intellegence. Let's try giving the benefit of the doubt. If we must judge let's do it based on intentions. Let's learn to look at the big picture.

I left the il2 forums simply cause too much is banned and not enough is banned. Here there is still a little freedom of expression. Trust me, having mods will only make it worse.

Go to il2 and simply post that you love u-boats. It won't take long before you are bashed and called a "luft lover" or "kriegs lover".

Let's try to solve issues logically. Don't ***** to each other about Kapitan's post. It's useless and will only spoil the forum. Write to him directly, without name calling and bashing. I'm willing to bet he'd post an apology. He seems like a good guy.

Fritz Franzen, AKA Nazi http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
03-13-2005, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Go to il2 and simply post that you love u-boats. It won't take long before you are bashed and called a "luft lover" or "kriegs lover". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, it doesn't take much over there for the trolls to appear, and more often than not, the moderators side with the worst trolls (because in the IL-2 forums, trolls rule the roost.

Muppetts
03-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Silent Hunter III, remember, ditch the world agenda and concentrate on the game, screaming opinions at each other over the internet is a waste of time and energy. Relax, buy a goldfish and chill the fk out all these threads about the US or God...forget it, not like you will listen anyway.

BobV_07
03-13-2005, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muppetts:
Silent Hunter III, remember, ditch the world agenda and concentrate on the game, screaming opinions at each other over the internet is a waste of time and energy. Relax, buy a goldfish and chill the fk out all these threads about the US or God...forget it, not like you will listen anyway. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


YES, well said! Thank you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


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Pr0metheus 1962
03-13-2005, 11:39 AM
No matter how hard I listen, I don't hear any 'screaming'. I hear a low-pitched whine, but I'm pretty sure that's my cooling fan.

Seriously though, if you don't care for a thread, why even read it? Not only did you read it, you BUMPED it. Heck, far from showing dislike for this thread, you folks are its best supporters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

U-551 Kapitan
03-13-2005, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
I didn't read all the posts in here and couldn't find Kapitans thread. Based on what I have read, I do have an opinion.

People never look at the bigger picture. The headlines are designed to guide you, for better or worse. When I see threads like this one it reminds me that the majority of people are sheep, being led by the shepards.

A little something about me; born into a German immigrant family in Canada, 21 years after Germany surrendered. I'm first generation Canadian. Unless he knew how to through ****ty diapers my father was too young to fight. Opa was a musician in the military. That makes him a Nazi to the ignorant but I can assure you his musical abilities never killed anyone.

From Kindergarten in Canada I was often called "nazi" or "jew killer" long before I ever knew what it meant. I guess having a name like mine(Fritz Franzen)makes me a nazi, at least to the ignorant.

So now you are probably thinking"well, you know children". That would be your ignorant side speaking. Where would children learn this? Ok, now you are starting to think.

Next, what has it to do with this thread? The answer is simple. In the IL2 general discussions(very similar to this forum) I have been called the same names on emore than one occasion, simply because I didn't agree with what a couple of Americans said.

The ramificasions? Nothing happened. A few buddies, including Americans, wrote complaints to the mods and of course, nothing happened. Anyone who has ever participated in il2 GD know how easy it is to have your thread locked or to get banned. But as soon as something is said against Americans the bans and locks are there.

I'm not bashing Americans here, it's not my style and actually I feel sorry for what their government does to them. But americans need to learn to be not so defensive. The world hates American government, not the people.

About Kapitans post; as I said I wasn't able to read it. I would guess he was a bit emotional about the incident. Then he came to this forum, feeling as part of a community, and posted his thoughts and feelings. So, should he be bashed for this? Or banned? I think not. He should probably get a warning. I've read a lot of his posts and they are pretty good. We have to think of his intentions. Was he trying to insult or offend people? Or was he simply expressing something he felt very strongly about, in a community he feels part of. I would guess it was the latter.

So, should we put him in the chair or talk to him? Let's go a little further. Let's toast the guy that started this thread. Why not? Maybe he actually set the stage for more insults and offenses. Or, was he affected emotionally by Kapitans thread that he wanted to share his feelings in a community he feels part of.

Listen guyz, throwing a switch takes no effort or intellegence. Let's try giving the benefit of the doubt. If we must judge let's do it based on intentions. Let's learn to look at the big picture.

I left the il2 forums simply cause too much is banned and not enough is banned. Here there is still a little freedom of expression. Trust me, having mods will only make it worse.

Go to il2 and simply post that you love u-boats. It won't take long before you are bashed and called a "luft lover" or "kriegs lover".

Let's try to solve issues logically. Don't ***** to each other about Kapitan's post. It's useless and will only spoil the forum. Write to him directly, without name calling and bashing. I'm willing to bet he'd post an apology. He seems like a good guy.

Fritz Franzen, AKA Nazi http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif I believe I said sorry to those who found my post offensive and I even edited out the emotional words I had when I was writing the topic (they were only mild opinions like trigger happy, shoot 1st ask quezzas later etc, nothing too bad). The problem is no one's happy with someone's opinion, and they will deny its right to the death. I started that topic firstly to give the deceased some respect, and allow others to show their appreciation for what he had done. However all I got in return was accusations of being a troll, and ppl simply calling him and the reporter he was protecting communists, who were no real loss at all. I was ashamed I had started the thread.
Forums can bring out the worst in people. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BobV_07
03-13-2005, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by U-551 Kapitan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
I didn't read all the posts in here and couldn't find Kapitans thread. Based on what I have read, I do have an opinion.

People never look at the bigger picture. The headlines are designed to guide you, for better or worse. When I see threads like this one it reminds me that the majority of people are sheep, being led by the shepards.

A little something about me; born into a German immigrant family in Canada, 21 years after Germany surrendered. I'm first generation Canadian. Unless he knew how to through ****ty diapers my father was too young to fight. Opa was a musician in the military. That makes him a Nazi to the ignorant but I can assure you his musical abilities never killed anyone.

From Kindergarten in Canada I was often called "nazi" or "jew killer" long before I ever knew what it meant. I guess having a name like mine(Fritz Franzen)makes me a nazi, at least to the ignorant.

So now you are probably thinking"well, you know children". That would be your ignorant side speaking. Where would children learn this? Ok, now you are starting to think.

Next, what has it to do with this thread? The answer is simple. In the IL2 general discussions(very similar to this forum) I have been called the same names on emore than one occasion, simply because I didn't agree with what a couple of Americans said.

The ramificasions? Nothing happened. A few buddies, including Americans, wrote complaints to the mods and of course, nothing happened. Anyone who has ever participated in il2 GD know how easy it is to have your thread locked or to get banned. But as soon as something is said against Americans the bans and locks are there.

I'm not bashing Americans here, it's not my style and actually I feel sorry for what their government does to them. But americans need to learn to be not so defensive. The world hates American government, not the people.

About Kapitans post; as I said I wasn't able to read it. I would guess he was a bit emotional about the incident. Then he came to this forum, feeling as part of a community, and posted his thoughts and feelings. So, should he be bashed for this? Or banned? I think not. He should probably get a warning. I've read a lot of his posts and they are pretty good. We have to think of his intentions. Was he trying to insult or offend people? Or was he simply expressing something he felt very strongly about, in a community he feels part of. I would guess it was the latter.

So, should we put him in the chair or talk to him? Let's go a little further. Let's toast the guy that started this thread. Why not? Maybe he actually set the stage for more insults and offenses. Or, was he affected emotionally by Kapitans thread that he wanted to share his feelings in a community he feels part of.

Listen guyz, throwing a switch takes no effort or intellegence. Let's try giving the benefit of the doubt. If we must judge let's do it based on intentions. Let's learn to look at the big picture.

I left the il2 forums simply cause too much is banned and not enough is banned. Here there is still a little freedom of expression. Trust me, having mods will only make it worse.

Go to il2 and simply post that you love u-boats. It won't take long before you are bashed and called a "luft lover" or "kriegs lover".

Let's try to solve issues logically. Don't ***** to each other about Kapitan's post. It's useless and will only spoil the forum. Write to him directly, without name calling and bashing. I'm willing to bet he'd post an apology. He seems like a good guy.

Fritz Franzen, AKA Nazi http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif I believe I said sorry to those who found my post offensive and I even edited out the emotional words I had when I was writing the topic (they were only mild opinions like trigger happy, shoot 1st ask quezzas later etc, nothing too bad). The problem is no one's happy with someone's opinion, and they will deny its right to the death. I started that topic firstly to give the deceased some respect, and allow others to show their appreciation for what he had done. However all I got in return was accusations of being a troll, and ppl simply calling him and the reporter he was protecting communists, who were no real loss at all. I was ashamed I had started the thread.
Forums can bring out the worst in people. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hello Kapitan
I know that I said that I would not comment any further on this subject but this must be said.
I feel awefull about this thread! I've been sick about the whole thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Every time I see it pop back up to the top I wish that it would go away! And yes I know, I'm bumping this thing back to the top again. But I feel this needs to be said.

Kapitan, I'm sorry if this has hurt you or anybody in any way at all. I never once intended it to do so at all. My intent for this thread was never once to thrash you or anybody but ONLY to show that what you said was offensive and this sort of content(politics)can and most generaly causes devision amongst people. I HATE that!!! It really wasn't so much so your opinion about my government as it was that this sort of topic causes ill feelings amongst us in this great forum. Lets talk about things that promote peace.
Hopefuly this has been a learning expirence in the right direction for us all. I know that I have learned alot from it!
Its my desire that you not hardor any ill feelings twards me. You know that I don't twards you and that I consider you a forum chum! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well, enouph of the goowy stuff. Lets get back to the main subject at hand.....SH3! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Woooo, hooo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



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Franzen
03-14-2005, 10:37 AM
Can you feel the love in this forum? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

GROUP HUG! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Messervy
03-14-2005, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Can you feel the love in this forum? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

GROUP HUG! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YEP http://www.flightsimmer.com/forums/images/smilies/new/grouphug.gif

naturalhigh1985
03-14-2005, 12:22 PM
What the ****... How can some of you say America saved the world and won the wars etc? What a load of garbage! America was a member of the Allies, just like England, France, Australia, New Zealand and many other countries. They all played key parts in winning the war, and saving the world, as it was so nicely put. And they still play a huge part in keeping the world safe. Equally as much as America.
And by denying that you are disrespecting any allied soldier who fell in WW1, WW2, and since then, because your denying them the victory which they so deserved.