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Alexi_Alx_Anova
08-03-2004, 05:01 AM
I'm still happy with my BFG 6800GT but I'm surprised by these results.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/graphics-cards-2004_38.html

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
08-03-2004, 05:01 AM
I'm still happy with my BFG 6800GT but I'm surprised by these results.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/graphics-cards-2004_38.html

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08-03-2004, 05:14 AM
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tsisqua
08-03-2004, 11:05 AM
Wow! The X800 XT kicks som serious butt in this benchmark test.

I'll be so happy when I can afford it.

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Cragger
08-03-2004, 11:54 AM
6800GT is a econo card of the 6800 series (Yes it costs more than the superior 6800 Ultra in benchmarks... go figure, but Nvidia has always had questionalbe marketing schemes such as the MX series ripoffs, I mean cards).

The 6800 Ultra 256MB is the premo if you disregard the Ultra expensive platinum edition. Regardless the X800 beats it flat out no FSAA or AF. With Full FSAA and AF the cards have less of a gap in terms of preformance.

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Slechtvalk
08-03-2004, 12:57 PM
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Slechtvalk
08-03-2004, 12:58 PM
Must be something wrong with that benchmark because I have seen other reviews where the 6800 series where faster so that huge difference as in that review is almost impossible.

Here is a another review for example:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_performance_and_overclocking/page6.asp

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-03-2004, 01:17 PM
I agree with Slechtvalk...check out firingsquad comparisons.

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Kasdeya
08-03-2004, 01:28 PM
THere are many ways to come up with the results on these sites. Read the comments at the bottom of that page. One states that, this certain test was run on Direct3D and not OpenGL. I am not sure, I didnt read it anywhere, but the way I figure it is that both are very comparable using either method. Some tests from sites are geared toward certain cards, so be it. Thats the way its always gonna be.

Just look at the fps we're talking about- any where from 3 to 7 frames- at a freakin astonishing 80 fps. bah I aint worried bout 3 frames that high up. I run a FX card on GL, my squadmate run ATI in Direct 3D. We both have decent frames with eye candy. What more do you want? Why worry what some pple say. I love Nvidia but have bought a X800(on backorder). Why, I like the way it looked on the few screens I saw. Sometimes I think I should have gotten another Nvidia, but all in all its about the same.

This is sad but here goes. *Disclaimer: These are my opinions and if I spelled it wrong it would by onions. To each his own, esp. if he paid for it. I am not ragging on anyone I just feel that both sides need to lighten up. Thats all.

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Jetbuff
08-03-2004, 01:53 PM
Note, the comment was mine. Based on the numbers at firing squad it is obvious the test was run in direct3D. Simply put IL-2:FB has always been faster in OpenGL (hence the higher numbers for BOTH cards at comparable settings in the firingsquad review and others) and OpenGL has always been nVidia's strong point.

Here's the review: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/gigabyte_gv-r80p25d_x800_pro/page6.asp

You really can't go wrong with either brand at the moment. But that review unrealistically skews the numbers in favour of ATI because of improper testing. At the very least, they should have tested in both OpenGl AND direct3D. Me, if I get the cash, I'm getting a 6800GT because:
a) I play in OpenGL.
b) I want the advantages of pixelshader 3.0, just in case
c) With 16 pipelines, a good GT card will overclock to 6800 Ultra speeds (a card that costs $100 extra) while the X800 pro can never become an XT because it has only 12 pipelines. (althouth the VIVO version has been successfully converted to 16 pipes by some)
d) If I get a PCI version, I have an opportunity to upgrade to an SLI solution (imagine 2xGT's running side-by-side!!!) which is currently an nVidia-only technology.

Bottom line, both video card manufacturers are offering comparable performance and comparable quality at comparable prices. What you need to ask yourself when deciding is which games do I play and what are each card's numbers in that particular game. Throw in other things like:
- power consumption: 6800 Ultra is very power hungry unlike the ATI cards or the other 6800's
- heat: ATI cards are running slightly hotter at the moment because of their higher clock-speeds
- price: the very competitive nature of the graphics card market atm is great and might yield some great bargains
- size: some of the nVidia cards are HUGE!

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Jetbuff
08-03-2004, 01:57 PM
Here's another review of the 6800 Ultra versus the X800XT in IL-2. Again note the lack of a HUGE difference as shown in the, apparently faulty, X-bit labs review.
[edit]Whoops! forgot the link:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1578&page=5
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[This message was edited by Jetbuff on Tue August 03 2004 at 02:18 PM.]

Kasdeya
08-03-2004, 02:05 PM
I agree with what you commented on on that site and agree with what you just said. I would love to see the two 6800 cards side by side. Now that is badass. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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eXtra_Corrosiv
08-03-2004, 02:28 PM
a) i have always gotten double the frames in d3d that i do in ogl. BUT i have always had ati cards until now (since il2) the x800 pro (yes 12 pipe) pounds the 6800 ultra by 15 frames in d3d, in ogl, in perfect mode and the the 800 pro gets 32 fps with vsynch, 1280 x 960, 6xaa and 8x af.

with the same settings the nv gets 46 fps. solid. this is using real aa on the ati card. the temporal aa makes little white flashes appear in the horizon.

with the nv6800 ultra whenever I snap view left in any bf109, the clock flashes and gets texture corruption.

in lomac the 400 dollar ati pro gives me 10-20 more frames than the 6800 ultra which was 600.00. AND the 6800 is on an 800 mhz faster cpu.

with full 6xaa and 8xaf in far cry, the pro runs away from the 6800 ultra. the ultra is better at anti aliasing in neverwinter nights, and better at anti aliasing (iq wise) in both battlefiled games. the x800 pro has lower spikes and less dips being way smoother, that could be the amd processor though. (in bf)

that's all i have to say in the tale of the 400 card vs 600 card.

another two things that should be nnoted is that ATI DOES have a dual pci express solution, that's what the xbox 2 is built on, also because of doom 3 ATi is working overtime on ogl drivers, which will be good for us.

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Kasdeya
08-03-2004, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:

buy what you like, they'll all suck in 9 months anyway

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LMAO...so true. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Jetbuff
08-03-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:
buy what you like, they'll all suck in 9 months anyway<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But that's the BEST time to buy them... dirt cheap! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Macel
08-03-2004, 07:23 PM
I'd just like to point out that IF the X800 is faster than the GT6800, it's not because of PCI-Express. PCI-Express is, for current gaming purposes, a gimmick, as most games don't even really take advantage of all of AGP's bandwidth. The only use PCI-Express really has is if you're into video editing, which eats up bandwidth going in both directions (from processor to vid card and back).

If you're thinking about spending lots of cash on a PCI-express board, think twice.. It's not anything like the improvement that AGP had over PCI.

BlackerCardinal
08-03-2004, 07:26 PM
Ya shouldn't have bought that 9800 ehen you did http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Wow! The X800 XT kicks som serious butt in this benchmark test.

I'll be so happy when I can afford it.

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Rogodin
08-03-2004, 10:28 PM
I'm going to be picking up a 6800Ultra here in a week or so just to test it-I'll let you all know what I think.

Glad to read some impressions of others using it.

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JG27_Aristo
08-04-2004, 02:35 AM
ahhh but Slech what you are missing in your example is a 6800 ultra against an x800 not an x800xt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

RAAF_Edin
08-04-2004, 03:48 AM
Ah yeah... good point Aristo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Slechtvalk
08-04-2004, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Aristo:
ahhh but Slech what you are missing in your example is a 6800 ultra against an x800 not an x800xt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I know, not easy to find. But I found 1:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1578&page=5

Myself got the 6800GT which is a better buy than the 800pro and about the maximium euro I was willing to spend on a new graphicscard and it's a great card.

So in the 400$ range get the 6800GT and in the 499$ range the 800XT is the better choice. To bad there ain't benchmarks with perfect mode.

StudUK
08-04-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:

buy what you like, they'll all suck in 9 months anyway
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LOL ....exactly

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BM357_TinMan
08-04-2004, 12:39 PM
Kind of shows how I got ripped off when I bought my 5900 a little over a year ago http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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