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Mike8686
08-22-2004, 12:23 PM
Which ones better at what?

Mike8686
08-22-2004, 12:23 PM
Which ones better at what?

F0_Dark_P
08-22-2004, 01:13 PM
i think you should go for the x45 rather then the cyborg, if you like me want a stand alone throttle, but the downside is the stick, some of the buttons are on the wrong place for my quite smal hand, and the stick handle scratch the base when ju manoeuvre the stick, i solve this problem with removing the spring, it gets realy sensitive and fast but without the spring it will not be able to centre, that can be realy dangerous, couse you cant get your hand of the stick:P, i am thinking of buying a new Logitech Freedom 2.4 Cordless Joystick, my friend have one and it is realy good, not poorly made like the other Logitech sticks, admittedly it cost 60$ but you get what you pay for, so i think you should go for the Logitech Freedom 2.4, i will get it but i will use it together whith the x45 throttlehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, btw i hope you can read my crapy english:P

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Tully__
08-22-2004, 02:31 PM
X-45:

More buttons. More programming options.
More space required. More dollars required.


Evo:

Can be set up for left handed use. Less dollars. Takes up less desk space.


In quality they're about the same, it depends on your needs, available space and budget.

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lil_labbit
08-22-2004, 05:13 PM
I have BOTH
It works too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

why?

Simple - I realy LOVE the X45 throttle - BUT
Saitek build the rudder control into the throttle of the x45 instead of making the stick swivel.... it REALY sucks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
So with the (new - not yet available) X52 they corrected that... (x52 got a swivel stick like the evo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )
I realy love my evo too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif great control - there is an evo FFB coming too... so...

Maybe I Will Upgrade BOTH http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
X52 + evo FFB

lol

OK Saitek X45 is a HOTAS - loads of switches/hats/sliders and an EXTRA throttle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Saitek cyborg evo is a STICK - ok 1 slider but that's it - it's got rudder control on swivel stick though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif thats a +++ for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ThanasisK
08-22-2004, 05:27 PM
X45 hands down. I paid 70 quid for that, never looked back.

T_O_A_D
08-22-2004, 05:33 PM
Right now if you was to get the Cyborg Evo you can't get the latest drivers anyways http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif They took them down. And you will be waiting for new ones sort of like waiting on IL2 patch. two more weeks. Got a friend with one, and it needs them it rolls to left al the time and its a well known driver problem.

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lil_labbit
08-22-2004, 05:41 PM
The evo DOES HAVE A LITTLE problem...

Nothing BIG though...

Just start a game - sit in a cockpit and move all evo axis through the extremes... - dont throw it 'round the room http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif then fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That's called "quick calibration" and should be done once after windows restart (untill next restart of windows it WILL be ok)...

Some people hate it - I don't mind - I'm allmost sure ANY pilot in WWII would check his control cables before takeoff too - so - maybe it's "more-real" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol

And it can be done off-line too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I don't see a (real) problem.

And I DO NOT agree with the "2 weeks" thingy - thats 1c / UBI miscommunication mostly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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OldMan____
08-22-2004, 06:09 PM
I have an EVO..use from the box drivers.. and never had any problems. This quick calibration does bother. I just make the full axis moves during IL2 loading.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

The12342sainT
08-22-2004, 09:04 PM
I just got x45. I have yet to map the buttons, any advice on what buttins to map to what>

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lil_labbit
08-22-2004, 09:29 PM
not realy 12342sainT lol whattaname http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

what ya need is what ya need to program http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

its personal realy - but using the saitek profiler you can get a lotta extra commands (useing shift and modes) onto the stick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

anyways - stick is stick - throttle is throttle
the dials (sliders on the trottle i use for elevator trim / prop pitch .
the "throttle" on the evo i use for flaps http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


but then I dont fly dogfights - I just fly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif / or crash http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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WTE_DuStA
08-22-2004, 10:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
i am thinking of buying a new Logitech Freedom 2.4 Cordless Joystick, my friend have one and it is realy good, not poorly made like the other Logitech sticks, admittedly it cost 60$ but you get what you pay for, so i think you should go for the Logitech Freedom 2.4, talmud<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

mate i would not go near a logicrap joystick. I have gone through 2 freedom 2.4's and my mate has gone through 3 logicraps. I have to disagree with you on the build quality of logitech joysticks. They are actually a crappy built joystick, def noit a solid build.

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lil_labbit
08-22-2004, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_DuStA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
i am thinking of buying a new Logitech Freedom 2.4 Cordless Joystick, my friend have one and it is realy good, not poorly made like the other Logitech sticks, admittedly it cost 60$ but you get what you pay for, so i think you should go for the Logitech Freedom 2.4, talmud<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

mate i would not go near a logicrap joystick. I have gone through 2 freedom 2.4's and my mate has gone through 3 logicraps. I have to disagree with you on the build quality of logitech joysticks. They are actually a crappy built joystick, def noit a solid build.

http://members.westnet.com.au/dusta/images/dustasig12b.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL did I miss thatta! hhehehe

ok If you want to go to "destruction" (dont pass jail - dont pass anything - and give up all fortune and croack) then buy a logisucks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

they DO NOT make sticks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif they make real big DISASTERS ! never ever buy a logy !

get an evo ! it's cheaper and works better !

with a logi stick you JUST CANT FLY STRAIGHT!
no need for slider(s) to adjust where you are going - the stick itself sends random commands http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif that the fine-tune sliders cannot adjust for http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif - i had the logisucks strike force 3d FFB (the top-model) - i killed it too !

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Texas LongHorn
08-23-2004, 07:47 AM
Hey Guys, Here's my two cents. Of all the irony, I must have seven hundred dollars worth of Thrustmaster sticks and throttles sitting around... and of course my go to stick is the Evo. It works, plain and simple. Some of the posts I didn't understand, I just calibrate the stick before firing up IL2Aces and never have an issue with drift or whatever. That and the fact the stick is like thirty bucks US, Heck, just put a gun to your head, the Evo is a steal &lt;ggg.&gt; All the best, LongHorn

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WOLFMondo
08-23-2004, 08:09 AM
I've got an EVO and I like it, the spring could do with being a little stronger and the base larger but overall its the best stick i've had but Im thinking of getting a X45 because I want more buttons.

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Platypus_1.JaVA
08-23-2004, 09:15 AM
I've got both http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The X45 rudder is a rocker switch on the throttle. I never was happy with it. For this reason alone, I bought the Cyborg EVO. But, the X45 throttle has so many knobs and wheels, you cannot replace it with anything else really. So, I now use the X45 Throttle together with the Cyborg EVO. The X45 stick is sitting somewhere in the corner of my desk now.

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F16_Neo
08-23-2004, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
...i am thinking of buying a new Logitech Freedom 2.4 Cordless Joystick, my friend have one and it is realy good, not poorly made like the other Logitech sticks...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't. ****. I've been trough 2 wingmans and 1 2.4 cordless.
With average sim-geek wear & tear they will last 6 months or less, then the pots will start to spike. I think they made pots better in the 2.4 though, but instead the cables inside the handle started to spike.
After the 2.4 i switched to... EVO. Much better precision once I got used to it, and hopefully better quality. Actually I could make the response-curves a bit more aggressive. Oh and I dont risk to run out of batteries in the middle of VEF missions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

CRSutton
08-23-2004, 03:30 PM
I was wondering why my Evo was doing that and needed recalibrations once in a while. Other, than than that, it is a great mid price stick. I bought a Logitec Wingman when I purchased IL2 and thought I was the worst pilot in the world. Simply could not control a FW190. Turns out the Logitec was the worst stick in the world.(I was just mediocre) The Evo was like being born again. I love to fly the 190.

Dammerung
08-23-2004, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lil_labbit:

That's called "quick calibration" and should be done once after windows restart (untill next restart of windows it WILL be ok)...

Some people hate it - I don't mind - I'm allmost sure ANY pilot in WWII would check his control cables before takeoff too - so - maybe it's "more-real" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol

And it can be done off-line too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I don't see a (real) problem.

And I DO NOT agree with the "2 weeks" thingy - thats 1c / UBI miscommunication mostly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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All pilots do this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My Instructor said to "Box" the Controls: Pitch Down, Aileron Left, Pull back, Aileron Right, Neutralize. I have an X-45, by the way, didnt look back. (Actually better than the Yoke in the Cessna 152 ::Grumbles:: Left hand flying = bad!)

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