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macker33
02-01-2005, 01:13 PM
Look i know its off topic but ****,we are only passing time until SH3 comes out.

SITUATION 1.
Ok,this is the situation,its mid march 1940,hitler has earmarked you to plan and coordinate an invasion of switzerland to coinside with the attack on france.
At your disposal you have 4 divisions(your choice but dont break the bank)and full air support.
How would you do?
http://www.rooms-switzerland.com/images/map-switzerland.gif

SITUATION 2.
You are a swiss general and are aware that the germans are about to strike,your sources inform you the the germans are deploying about 4 divisions,defend your country.You have a strenght roughly equel to 4 divisions,with air support.

Pick which situation you want to adopt,if you can find a better map then use it.

Next week its spains turn to get it in the neck.

blue_76
02-01-2005, 01:17 PM
SITUATION 1: I would order the air support to evacuate all women and bring them to my harem. then, i would order 2 divisions to attack the chocolate factories and the remaining 2 to rob the swiss banks.

SITUATION 2: I would gather all the chocolate and money i could get and the women. then make a run for italy. Oh no! wait! that would be a mistake.. i'd run to France.. oh no! that would be a mistake too! hmm i'd run to luxenburg!

Yarrick_
02-01-2005, 01:26 PM
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Also an Off topic into the off topic.
Have you ever heard about the Swiss army of middle ages? It was one of the best round there.
In the centurys were heavy chivalary ruled the battlefields, Switzerland created an army of only pikemans wearing spears of maybe 5 meters long, which could defeat enemy chivalary.

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(new off topic, even more off topic now)
if I put the pikemans around the chocolate factory/women (not in that order) you wouldn't be able to reach them, and what would you do? There would be no reason then to invade Switzerland.

Jose.MaC
02-02-2005, 12:35 AM
SITUATION 1: I would remember the Fuhrer how handy comes all those banks in a fiscal paradise. Then, I would stay arround there just to show some activity but nothing serious.

SITUATION 2: I would made aware my german colleague that invading us they would loss our ability to play with money and to increase their black money accounts. Then I would do some maneovers just to show some activity, but nothing serious.

Messervy
02-02-2005, 12:35 AM
I personaly would let switzerland be and invade Ireland instead. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

cpt_earthling
02-02-2005, 02:01 AM
sitrep 1

Im a german general i allocate
1 panzer div
1 mechcanzied panzer div
1 infantry div
1 mountain infantry div

Air support
bombers
stukas
fighters
1 para div

ill send my panzer div with my infantry div through Shauffhausen and smash through the front door.

The mech panz div will come in from austria and take vaduz in liechenstein.

The mountain inf div will strike first in the night seizing bridges over near Basel and take that.

Air support will take care of their airforce and stukas protect the panzers. bombing runs will be made on southern towns and airfields.
Paratroopers from airsupport will land at night at Montreux in a suprise attack.

Then the panzer and inf divs will move onto Zurich with the mech div taking Zug to form a pinser movement. the mountain inf div will move its way west of Bern while panzer and inf divs move on from Zurich to Bern.

the mech div will move from Zug down to St. Moritz and secure the southern Switzerland with stukas paving the way. The mountain div will dig in and pund Bern with mountain cannons till the panzer and inf divs get their with stukas paving the way. Meanwhile the air support paratroopers will move from Montreax (leaving some behind) and make a lake crossing assult timed with more para drops on Geneva.

The mech div hold grond gained then move onto Tugano. panzer div and inf div will take Bern while mountain div moves south Zermatt then hook up with the mech div at Grindewald.

The luftwaffe will have taken control of the skies and stukas will have taken out enemy armour. with Bern, Geneva, Montreaux, Zurich, Zog, Grindewald, Shauffhausen, St. Moritz, Basel and Vaduz taken moping up ops will begin.

I will be promoted full general and commander of Switzerland forces. ill have a nice time with some Swiz girls choclate and beer yodalaoooooooo oops its an avalanche

EARTHLING EPO

bertgang
02-02-2005, 03:50 AM
Switzerland hasn't a great militar power, but to fight his highlanders, on their mountain ground, with an army of the same size could drive to a disaster.

Then, why to bomb the bank where I have my secrent account?

Gouldjg
02-02-2005, 03:22 PM
Off topic

I think but am not sure.

The Swiss threatened to blow up the steel mines if invaded.

Wonder if this was true?

blue_76
02-02-2005, 03:37 PM
it would be a bigger threat if they threatened to blow up the chocolate factories http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Rick614
02-02-2005, 09:17 PM
I would just announce that every soldier would like to open a checking account. The Swiss would then escort them in.

thefalen
02-03-2005, 12:11 AM
sitrep, situational report, i.e. an up to date report on the battlefield which can be given to any party entering the battlefield so they are briefed and aware of the situation.

Sitrep is NOT meerely a troop manifest, albeit a sitrep could INCLUDE a troop manifest, and probably always should.

macker33
02-03-2005, 12:25 PM
I'm still working on the finer details but i think its agreed the reason for going to war with switzerland is the chocolate and mountain girls,
http://drp.hypermart.net/images/LA8897.JPG
This men is what we are fighting for,to your posts.

Messervy
02-03-2005, 01:07 PM
Ha, ha I can allready see this is going to turn into tottie thread!

Tetrapack
02-03-2005, 02:57 PM
But please take first a look at the fortifications in Switzerland before planning to invading my home country http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/schwitte/Swiss%20fortifications.htm

macker33
02-03-2005, 03:38 PM
Much appreciated tetrapack,i can put this intelligence down to pretend campers.

If anyone can help me please do,i need an estimation of how much an army can travel a day,i dont need exceptions but averages.

cpt_earthling
02-03-2005, 07:03 PM
hey
your average inf div on foot in mountains would be between 5 - 10 ks of course panzer armies on flat ground could cover up to 60k for infantry in trucks maybe 20-30ks of course mountains would be a slow slog so half those transport times and panzer would be around 25ks at the most but more like 15ks. remember they have a top speed of 40ks an hour plus hills, combat and road conditions try 15ks.

macker33
02-04-2005, 04:03 PM
This sure is thirsty work,

http://homepage.eircom.net/~macker33/swiss2.jpg

Poacher886a
02-05-2005, 03:42 AM
BERTGANG:Please Mountain Men not Highlander's,the Scot's won't be happy!!

I would'nt worry that much about the four division's as Switzerland has the highest number of gun's per person in the world,you would have an army of Million's!!!

Tetrapack
02-05-2005, 05:12 AM
You clearly underestimate the value of the Swiss topography for the defender

Many of your planned routes of advance aren't possible to do with motorized divisions and they are exactly there where the Swiss army built the most fortifications and antitank obstacles.


http://www.jmem.ch/Wiler/Base/images/SwissMapRelief.jpg

McDaniel
02-05-2005, 11:07 AM
Just one note from a Swiss guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

my "grandpa" would have kicked those german ases!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

just kidding but i really dont like this topic... strange http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Greets
Daniel

McDaniel
02-05-2005, 11:10 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by McDaniel:
Just one note from a Swiss guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

my "grandpa" would have kicked those german ases!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

just kidding but i really dont like this topic... strange http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Greets
Daniel

Btw: i could tell you all something about the secret weapons of switzerland, but then i must kill you all!! sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif to funny.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

blue_76
02-05-2005, 11:51 AM
lets not forget the swiss cheese!
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http://www.pccnaturalmarkets.com/health/Food_Guide/Swiss.jpg

macker33
02-05-2005, 12:30 PM
I actually have written directions to go with the map but i havent time to type these out yet,

My girlfriend is just back from holidays so i must spend some time telling her how beautiful she looks,i should be back monday.

Any swiss here who doesnt like the idea of their country being invaded can have their revenge later

Jose.MaC
02-05-2005, 01:16 PM
What about just blocking them until ending their supply of petrol? Maybe they can have food, but without petrol, motorized divisions have to walk.

macker33
02-07-2005, 07:14 PM
Well i hope anyone defending switerland has their plans all worked out,
I got it typed out and am just waiting to blow the whistle to start the attack.

macker33
02-07-2005, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macker33:
Ok its kick off time...

OPERATION"GET SWITZERLAND" KICK OFF MAY 8TH

Group 1 for the purposes of clarification shall from now on be refered to as group JAB and shall be comprised of an infantry division.
Group 2 for the purposes of clarification shall from now on be refered to as group PUNCH and shall be comprised of a panzer division.
Group 3 for the purposes of clarification shall from now on be refered to as group FIST and shall be comprised of a motorised infantry division.
Group 4 for the purposes of clarification shall from now on be refered to as group HOOK and shall be an ad hoc division.Group hooks composition shall be such.
1st paratroop regiment,1st mountain regiment,1st moterised grenadeer battalion,1st and 2nd armoured recon battalions,1st and 2nd engineer companies and 1st signals company.

TO THE COMMANDER OF THE LUFTWAFFE FORCES ..
The luftwaffe is tasked with the detruction of the enemy airforce and support of our forces on the ground.Additionally the luftwaffe is responsible with keeping the roads ahead of our forces clear of enemy activity.
Forward reconnasanse and mountain reconnasinse are to be maintained to a high level throughout the operation.

PHASE1(to be completed no later than D-Day+10)
There are to be no incursions on swiss airspace prior to kickoff,the swiss may be aware of a buildup but they must be allowed to think it will be later rather than sooner.
Attacks on the airfields at zurich and lucerne are to coincide with the the start of operation get switzerland,the objective of this dawn raid is to catch the swiss airforce on the ground and to help facilitate a parachute drop by 1st parachute regiment on the airfield south of lucerne.
Special attention should be made to the roads,bridges and area around the airfield south of lucerne,if possible try to leave any bridges intact,Until the end of PHASE1 the 1st parachute regiment shall have priority of the luftwaffes resourses. Group Hook is the most dependant on airsupport and every effort should be made to help them achieve their goals.After the airstrip parimter is secured the luftwaffe may continue to ferry in reinforcements and supplys.

PHASE2(to be completed no later than D-Day+20)
Group hook is no longer the most in need of airsupport so plan accordingly.Just to note elements of group Jab will be operating behind Bern and may need instant air support,become aware of of this groups where abouts and avoid attacking them.Elements our bomber wing involved in this operation are to transfer to the airstip at Zurich while elements from the fighter wing is to transfer to the airstrip near lucerne.

PHASE 3(to be completed no later than D-Day+30)
The end is close,continue in your duties,special interest should be made of the mountain roads and byways,keep these clear of the enemy.

LAND FORCES
PHASE 1(to be completed no later than D-Day+10)

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP JAB.
Group jabs role is to protect the right flank of group punches advance,it is to capture aarau but is not allowed to advance further east beyond this point.It is also tasked to secure the area as far forward as Biel,Biel will be a useful supply garrison later on.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP PUNCH.
Group punch is tasked with the assault of zurich,As soon as the governnment builings,army barracks,police stations,transport hubs and hospitals are secure move on to the next objective,You are not responsible with the garrisioning of the city.From there advance south to Aarau,Olten and solothurn

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP FIST.
Group fists role is to support group punch and group Hook and as a result is subservient to both groups,it has got its own tasks but it can also be considered a reserve for both groups.In case of a conflict of priorities the requests of group Hook are to take precedent over the requests of group punch,
Group fist is to capture the airfield near zurich and to advance around zurich and onward to lucerne and its airstrip,the parachute regiment holding the lucerne airstrip are expected to be desperate need of support so the faster elements of group fist should try to bypass any strongpoints that may slow your progress.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP HOOK.
Group hooks main task is to capture the airstrip between lucerne and stans and also very importantly to prevent any migration of enemy forces and able bodied men to the mountains,the importance of these tasks cannot be stressed enough.For this task the town of chur is to be captured and garrisoned has a future HQ of mountain clearing operations.At least 1 armoured recon battalion is to immediatly make for the Lucerne airstrip to releave the soldiers fighting there,Bypass strong points if needed.
Group Hook has the priority of the luftwaffes resources.

PHASE 2(to be completed no later than D-Day+20)

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP JAB.
Group jab are to quickly advance south to Nuech─┬ütel.Group punch is expected to begin its assault on bern and elements of group JAB are to support this by advancing east of lake Nuech─┬ütel and take control of the roads and railway tracks between Bern and lake Geneva,this will serve two tasks,1.It will prevent any withdrawl of enemy forces from bern.2.it will prevent the supply and reenforcement of Bern.
To avoid unnessary casulties no attempt shall be made to attack Freberg is is tasked to group punch.
The remaining elements of group Jab that are still west of lake Nuechatel are to proceed south to Yverdon and secure all ground west of lake Nuechatel.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP PUNCH.
Group Punch are to advance south and assault Bern after which they are to proceed south and link up with elements of group jab who are operating in that area,from there you are to take Freberg and the surrounding area.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP FIST.
Group fists primary tasks are to support the assault on Bern and to secure the ground between Lake Lucerne and lake Thum.Only after this has been achieved is group fist allowed to proceed to interlaken and southward toward brig,this is again to prevent migration to the mountains where group Hook is operating in clearing out the mountains.


TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP HOOK.
Group Hook is tasked with clearing out any pockets of resistence and securing allground Chur,Andermatt and Lucerne,only then shall group Hook lay assault to Davos,Saint Moritz,Saint Gallen and their surrounding areas,It is of special interest to the commander in chief that Saint Gallen be left as intact as possible.

PHASE 3.(to be completed no later than D-Day+30)

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP JAB.
Group Jab is to regroup and advance to its final objective of Geneva,If group punch has fulfilled its responsibility of capturing Lausanne then you may call on it for support.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP PUNCH.
Group punch is tasked with the capture of Lausanne,Montreux and the general area around Lake Geneva.After these tasks have been completed you may be called apon to support groups jab and fist.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP FIST.
Group fist is tasked with the capture of Martigny and Verbier,and as a consequence cut any link between the swiss lowlands and highlands,After this has been achieved Group fist may give aid to groups punch and hook.

TO THE COMMANDER OF GROUP HOOK.
Group hook is to advance on and secure Bellinzona and Lugano,furthermore if the oppertunity to help group fist arrises then it should do so,It is group hooks business to make sure that all the mountain areas are secure and free from enemy influence.

Over and out,
signed your commander in chief,
King Cabbage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>