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RS.Wedge
02-08-2006, 10:00 AM
I have been playing the Cobra Pilot campaign and every other mission or so I seem to get into trouble and enter a flat spin. I tried cutting all power and forcing the stick and rudder oposite of the spin while also trying to pitch the air craft forward. I have yet to recover from a flat spin - I just end up ejecting.

Can anyone offer any other suggestions on getting out of this situation?

Thanks for any help.

Hawgdog
02-08-2006, 10:04 AM
If you're 2500 up, 0 throttle, flaps, hard rudder INTO the spin and pray.
Otherwise, start bailing out

JG5_UnKle
02-08-2006, 11:07 AM
0 throttle
Drop flaps - landing flaps if needed

Push stick forward

I push rudder against the spin myself and it sort of snaps out of it.

Zero throttle, keep stick pushed forward, step on rudder.

Be careful on recovery or you will re-enter the spin immediately.

BRASSTURTLE
02-08-2006, 11:11 AM
ctrl+E
WORKS EVERY TIME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

MLudner
02-08-2006, 11:46 AM
To my experience a flat spin is irrecoverable; once you've entered one you'll have to bail.

Flat spins are an Aircobra fact-of-life. Practice to avoid them.

Unknown-Pilot
02-08-2006, 12:01 PM
There's another Cobra that was also also quite deadly if you lost it while 'piloting' it -
http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10094000/10094351.jpg

As the saying goes - "Get it wrong in a Cobra, and it will kill you"

TheGozr
02-08-2006, 12:18 PM
On spining with a front position engine you go foward yes but in a central engine it's a no go. Try to rock the plane as much as you can tail to front you'll get out of the flat spin.

shahsxfx
02-08-2006, 01:39 PM
I'm new to this, and in X plane we don't have flat spins! In the world of X plane stals are nice friendly little things you do every now and then to show off! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But this is what I do (I've only been flying this sim for about a week now) to get out of a flat spin.
1) Avoid them!
1a) To avoid them adjust your controlls accordingly so when you pull back 100% on your controlls your actually only pulling back at 95%. It really helped me out!

2) If you do get into one cut power, to say 10% or so, open up radiator, a little flap and push forward and counter rudder. If you are high enough you'll snap out of it if not then well just change your call sign to Lawn Dart!

Now as i recall there was some video of some guy actually getting his P-51 into a flat spin and out of one all the while explaining what he was doing.

Sorry wish i could help more!

Dash_C.
02-08-2006, 01:48 PM
Forward elevator in addition to the previously mentioned tasks helps a great deal.

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-08-2006, 02:07 PM
Have you ever tried the Il-2 1.0 P-39 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dravisar
02-08-2006, 02:14 PM
I cut throttle, dump flaps, and even the landing gear if needed. If all else fails, I bail.

wintergoose
02-08-2006, 02:18 PM
As sooner as you react the easier
If you are high enough
Rudder in oposit direction
Dont touch the other controllers
All flaps down
wheel down
Stop the motor
Afther a while the spin stops
Spesially the stop of the motor helps

Texan...
02-08-2006, 02:22 PM
I'm glad to see the Cobra return somewhat to being a plane that will bite you. Very rewarding and deadly to the opponent and sometimes the pilot as well.

You'll know within 5 or 6 seconds if the P39 is in one of those irrecoverable variety of spins. Good thing it has big car doors.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Remarkable how close some of Olegs models come to mimicking what we have read about these planes. Maybe someday he will get the Mustang right.

Pinker15
02-08-2006, 02:47 PM
First U need to cut power, next full drop flaps and gear down. Push stick forward and to direct of spin. Rudder push oposite to direct of spin. At the end U need to pulse with power from idle to full etc.

Akronnick
02-08-2006, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by shahsxfx:
I'm new to this, and in X plane we don't have flat spins! In the world of X plane stals are nice friendly little things you do every now and then to show off! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What kind of planes do you fly in X-Flight?

Most civilian planes are designed to have gentle stall characteristics so hamfisted pilots don't kill themselves. In wartime military aircraft, this is less of a priority.

besides, would you like your Cobra to fly like a pussycat?

p-11.cAce
02-08-2006, 06:55 PM
I second what Pinker said - usually if you cycle the throttle from idle to full and try to get the pitch changes in synch you can recover -it does take a lot of height thou in my experience. If you are low just get the heck out!

Ace_Hyflyer
02-08-2006, 07:03 PM
Hey guys,

I'm still flying the original IL-2 (no forgotten battles, waiting for the Platinum pack due in a few weeks) and the P-39 is my favorite fighter and only ride (other than the IL-2 my other favorite ride).

Here's my tips. First, don't stall!!!! I find you can actually man-handle it a lot, so long as you keep everything coordinated. Don't pull too hard once you get slow or fast, but between 300-370 kph it's not that easy to spin.

Once you are in a spin, cut the throttle, apply no elevator input, full opposite rudder, and finally apply aileron in the direction you are spinning. I.E. if you're spinning left roll to the left or vice versa. The aileron input can really help. I have successfully recovered in a well developed spin from less that 700m!!!!

Of course, there's always the odd unrecoverable one, but that's what the massive doors are for!

Chris

Waldo.Pepper
02-08-2006, 08:32 PM
Turn the engine off .... count to 5 slowly. 1,2,3,4,5 ... then turn the engine on again.

Don't argue - just try it.

mortoma
02-08-2006, 09:11 PM
I was only 1800 mtrs. up in a P-400 over New Guinea map and I recovered by hitting full flaps,
opp. rudder, then landing gear. Then near the end I pushed forward on the stick. Maintained a dive until I had a good speed and even then I was gentle. Came close to the ground though.

msalama
02-08-2006, 10:20 PM
1) Cut throttle
2) Flaps all the way down
3) Gear down
4) Rudder 100% against spin direction (i.e. spinning right -> rudder left)
5) Ailerons 100% into spin direction (i.e. spinning right -> stick right)
6) Nose down
7) Clean up immediately after getting out

Works everytime if you've got enough altitude http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Max.Power
02-08-2006, 11:09 PM
Also, be careful about bailing out. If you enter the spin below 2000m, you're probably dead. You'll never recover in time. If you bail out, your little man, in all his wisdom, will jump down directly below the aircraft and deploy his chute immediately. You'll then watch in horror as the windmilling airplane lands directly on top of the chute and explodes, collapsing your chute and killing you instantely.

Enforcer572005
02-09-2006, 05:00 AM
while i have employed some of the mentioned techniques to get out of a standard spin (nver thought about the gear), ive never been able to get out of a flat spin in a cobra. they were notorious about that. you cant really throw one around like you can a Lagg or Yak. ive found that i have to keep my speed up and not overcontrol.

F19_Ob
02-09-2006, 05:10 AM
I can recover from flatspins in the p39 by throttling idle and push stick forwards and opposit rudder.
One still need about 3000m altitude to pull it of though.

I remember an account with a p39 pilot who said if a flatspin happened below 3000m it was best to bail and not push ones luck. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif