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DIRTY-MAC
03-29-2005, 11:20 AM
I bet you havenÔ┬┤t seen these before

madsarmy
03-29-2005, 11:51 AM
Some nice photos Mac. Thanks for posting.

ps.could you please save them in JPEG format. BITMAP images are very large & people with dialup will have to wait ages for them to load.

Tater-SW-
03-29-2005, 11:52 AM
WTF is it? Looks like a razorback Ki-44, but the gear are wrong.

tater

Zyzbot
03-29-2005, 12:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
WTF is it? Looks like a razorback Ki-44, but the gear are wrong.

tater <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is a Swedish FFVS J 22 Fighter:

http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Jakt/113J22.htm

Tater-SW-
03-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Ah, so the crowns are not showing up in the B&W images!

The marking with that film look like meatballs, I was assuming it was a japanese place tested by the Germans.

tater

ElektroFredrik
03-30-2005, 04:01 AM
I've seen the left one. From the book "n├┬Âdlandning Sverige", right?
The other two were new to me, thanks for sharing
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glarsso
03-30-2005, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElektroFredrik:
I've seen the left one. From the book "n├┬Âdlandning Sverige", right?
The other two were new to me, thanks for sharing
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right, the first pic. with a J22 and Fw190 is from the book N├┬Âdlandning by Bo Widfeldt and R.Wegman. Fw190F8/R1 landed according to this book at Bulltofta Airport, Malm├┬Â, on Feb 03, 1945. It was testflown by the Swedish AF and scrapped in 1947.
Second picture is J22 (22149)taken in Sweden at Karlsborg weapons shoot─▒ng range June 1942.Later restored to "Yellow E".
Third ─? believe is J22 (22214) crashlanded September 09, 1945, at Bj├┬Ârlanda. Pic. 2 and 3 you find in FFVS J22 Flyghistorisk Revy, 1989.

glarsso
03-30-2005, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glarsso:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElektroFredrik:
I've seen the left one. From the book "n├┬Âdlandning Sverige", right?
The other two were new to me, thanks for sharing
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right, the first pic. with a J22 and Fw190 is from the book N├┬Âdlandning by Bo Widfeldt and R.Wegman. Fw190F8/R1 landed according to this book at Bulltofta Airport, Malm├┬Â, on Feb 03, 1945. It was testflown by the Swedish AF and scrapped in 1947.
Second picture is J22 (22149)taken in Sweden at Karlsborg weapons shoot─▒ng range June 1942.Later restored to "Yellow E".
Third ─? believe is J22 (22214) crashlanded September 09, 1945, at Bj├┬Ârlanda. Pic. 2 and 3 you find in FFVS J22 Flyghistorisk Revy, 1989. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry! slipped. Photo 2 taken 1972, not 1942.

DIRTY-MAC
04-03-2005, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glarsso:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glarsso:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElektroFredrik:
I've seen the left one. From the book "n├┬Âdlandning Sverige", right?
The other two were new to me, thanks for sharing
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right, the first pic. with a J22 and Fw190 is from the book N├┬Âdlandning by Bo Widfeldt and R.Wegman. Fw190F8/R1 landed according to this book at Bulltofta Airport, Malm├┬Â, on Feb 03, 1945. It was testflown by the Swedish AF and scrapped in 1947.
Second picture is J22 (22149)taken in Sweden at Karlsborg weapons shoot─▒ng range June 1942.Later restored to "Yellow E".
Third ─? believe is J22 (22214) crashlanded September 09, 1945, at Bj├┬Ârlanda. Pic. 2 and 3 you find in FFVS J22 Flyghistorisk Revy, 1989. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry! slipped. Photo 2 taken 1972, not 1942. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


BULLS EYE!

Do you have any interesting info on other arcrafts encounters over sweden

glarsso
04-04-2005, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by glarsso:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by glarsso:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ElektroFredrik:
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BULLS EYE!

Do you have any interesting info on other arcrafts encounters over sweden <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure. What is of interest? During WW2 327 foreign aircraft landed or crashed in Sweden. The war events over the years had an influence upon from what nation they came.In the beginning 1939, mostly German. 1940 w─▒th the attack on Denmark and Norway came again German but also Norwegian ac. Sporadic British planes in connection with war events over Norway or surronding sea lanes. With the British night bomber offensive against Germany in 1942 an increase in British visitors: Halifaxes, Lancasters, Stirling,Mosquito,Wellington. Several crashed in the sea however and disappeared. 1943 the Americans with B17s and B24s came in numbers after suffering damage over Germany. Around 1900 aircrew of all nationalities landed in Sweden during the years, the majority of them from USAAF.For example B17G 42-32076 Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby, landed at Bulltofta 1944-05-29 with 9 crew onboard. She is today restored and resides in USA. The same day in total 8 four engined USAAF bombers landed in Sweden after bombing German ac facories and petroleum industries.
A record came on June 20, 1944 when 20 B24s landed or crashed in Sweden within an hour, again after attacking oil targets in Germany.
Towards the very end in 1945 German ac again came in numbers from the Baltics and Kurland pocket.Several with passengers on board, even Fw190s with up to 4 people(Fw190 Blue 11, Wnr 682790 from 5/JG54 on May 08, 1945 from Windau) to avoid Soviet capture.
After the war flyable US and British ac returned to the UK, after being well maintained in Sweden, repaired and sometimes engines changed. Some of the German coming from the East in 1945 were handed over to the Soviets (20 aircraft)as were several German refugees from Russian occupied territory. Some German ac remained however. A Ju88A with FuG200 radar stood at F12 Kalmar until scrapped in 1954. Another treasure waisted in the hands of the scrap man!!!
Events? Well, we had the Mosquito courier flights with mail, V─?Ps, agents and ballbearings among other cargo to the UK.
Operation Balken with US activties over northern Sweden and Norway in 1945.
German courier flights over Swedish territory.
German V1 and V2 from Peenem├╝nde dropping down.
Assembly of Fiat G50 in Sweden and delivery flights to Finland, and more......

Interesting sights in those years: ─?talian built Reggiane 2000 (J20 in Swe)in ─?talian camouflage and Swedish national markings guiding B17 and B24 to assigned emergency landing fields for example.The new Swedish J22 came 1943-45 but no modern fighter capable of seriously taking on late war bombers and fighters until the first P51D Mustangs came in April 1945. Some arrived in an extravagant way, by flying under Stockholm's largest bridge when delivered!
(Corrected 1944-05-09 above to 05-29 which ─▒s the r─▒ght date for Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif