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MagicoDc
10-22-2010, 10:00 PM
Wow... I've been sitting for around 4 hours just finding new historically accurate stuff about the Assassin's Creed franchise and I'm just amazed!

More like very scared, but amazed as well :P

First of all I love both games, and just can't wait for the new one, I have to know those secrets before I get crazy!

Second of all, I'm scared because this game is so historically accurate I'm scared it's true :P
And if not accurate then just somewhere close..

*IF YOU HAVN'T FINISHED ASSASSIN'S CREED II YET - SPOILER ALERT*

*AGAIN WARNING YOU*

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

Makes you think of anything? especially because it's in Italy..

And this all Assassin moto which is actually the moto used by the Hashshashins and stuff that really scarily can remind you of Pieces of Eden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eltanin_Antenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsegg_Iron
Sorry if you disagree with me on that one but that's my opinion..

Also this all Illuminati stuff, and 2012, and that theory of actually being created or related to some ET life, and that there were actually two civilizations, both human, but with a large gap of darkness and not even a single historical thing about that gap between them (suggesting the first civilization was just annihilated somehow), that's all stuff which is actually being researched! I don't know about you, but this stuff is scary in my opinion :P</span>

So do you also find it scary or is it just me?
Now I just wanna buy some good books about the Hashshashins and the Templars and know stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can't wait for Brotherhood, again, and for a third Assassin's Creed if there would be one, I need to know the answers, as fictionalized as they may be (but also scarily true). You really made AC2 a HUGE cliffhanger (Good job? :P)

LaCava1
10-22-2010, 10:04 PM
This is some nice stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The Hashshashin are my favorite historical group, (besides the Spartans http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) because they go in, kill brutally and swiftly, and then leave.

Xanatos2007
10-22-2010, 10:55 PM
Seems somebody's a bit late to the party...

GarethNelson
10-23-2010, 12:01 AM
How I describe AC to friends:
Stargate meets Davinci code meets Indiana Jones meets Matrix

MagicoDc
10-23-2010, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Seems somebody's a bit late to the party...

What does that suppose to mean? :P

Xanatos2007
10-23-2010, 05:43 AM
It means we've figured out all this stuff ages ago. I would say "Use the search button, damn it!" but I understand its limitations in finding particular threads.

UBOSOFT-Gamer
10-23-2010, 09:18 AM
welcome to history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

it is cool and great you want to know more about history because of the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and i think it is cool you want to buy books about the Hashshashins and the Templars and know stuff. but stick first with 'serious' history and history books and then you may can go for books with ancient astronauts and those things. NOT first ancient astornauts and then (or never) 'normal' history books.

There is more "history beyond mainstraim', but not everything is based on histoirc factss. something of pure interpretation like erich von däniken. i can not understand how anybody can this guy serious!

You know this is still Assassinc Creed! Not a history docu or something!

How can you say Ancient astronauts is historically accurate stuff?

anayway, if you can read german then buy this, it is about the templars and imo very good!!!
http://www.ritterladen.de/out/pictures/z1/titelseitecodex8_z1.jpg

Die Kreuzzüge

* Der erste Kreuzzug
* Die Entstehung der christlichen Königreiche
* Kreuzzüge und Kreuzfahrer aus muslimischer Sicht
* Vom friedlichen Pilger zum kämpfenden Kreuzfahrer
* Leben im Heiligen Land

Die Geschichte des Templerordens

* Die Gründung des Templerordens
* Bernhard von Clairvaux
* Die frühen Jahre
* Profil: König Balduin II. von Jerusalem
* Der Anfang vom Ende - Rückzug nach Zypern
* Profil: Philipp IV. „der Schöne“
* Der Prozeß und die Auflösung des Templerordens
* Das Erbe der Templer - Was geschah mit den letzten historischen Ordensbrüdern?
* Die neuen Templer seit dem 18.Jh.



Die Templer intern

* Der Habit der Templerbrüder
* Zeichen und Symbole
* Vom Knappen bis zum Großmeister: Die Hierarchie
* Profil: Jacques de Molay
* Die Templerregeln und Ordensstrafen
* Ein Tag im Leben eines Templers
* Mönche als Bauern
* Bankiers im weißen Mantel - Die Templer und das Geld

Mönche im Waffenrock

* Rüstung und Bewaffnung
* Militärische Einsätze - „Die Ritter Christi aber kämpfen mit gutem Gewissen die Kämpfe des Herrn…“
* Die Turkopolen


Die Quellen

* Die Sicht der Chronisten - Wilhelm von Tyrus und Jakob von Vitry

Mythen und Legenden

* Der sagenhafte Templerschatz
* Die Templer und der Heilige Gral
* Die Bundeslade als Schatz der Templer?
* Kreuze unter den Sohlen Teufelsanbetung bei den Templern
* Rennes-le-Château
* Die Prieuré de Sion
* Baphomet
* Die Templer und...
* Rosslyn Chapel



Andere Ritterorden

* Hospitaliter - Johanniter - Malteser
* Der Deutsche Orden Seite
* Der Lazarusorden



Handfest und Hautnah

* Das Bankett der Templer
* Pilgerspeise - Was aßen die Pilger auf ihrem Weg?
* Schnittmuster - Waffenrock und Tunika für einen Lazarener
* Templer Komthurey Mark e.V. - Verein zur Förderung der mittelalterlichen Darstellung des Ordens der Tempelritter
* Der „Freie Ritterorden der Templer“



Bauwerke und Stätten

* Die al-Aqsa-Moschee
* Templerburgen im Heiligen Land Seite
* Spurensuche auf Zypern
* Der Tempel in Paris - Die Wall Street des Mittelalters
* Temple Church in London - Kirche der Templer und Juristen
* Die Zeit der Templer
* Die Templer kommen - Events im Histotainment Park Adventon

MagicoDc
10-23-2010, 02:42 PM
Know some German but only studied it for two months (and now am stopping, so I don't even count as a beginner :P)

Alamut (http://www.amazon.com/Alamut-Vladimir-Bartol/dp/1556436815/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287804820&sr=8-1-fkmr1)
ISMAILI ASSASSINS, THE: A History of Medieval Murder (http://www.amazon.com/ISMAILI-ASSASSINS-History-Medieval-Murder/dp/1848325053/ref=pd_sim_b_5)
Secret Societies of the Middle Ages: The Assassins, the Templars & the Secret Tribunals of Westphalia (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1578633346/ref=rdr_ext_sb_ti_sims_6)

These are books I think I might buy :P

Also now that I read the synopsis of Alamut:
"The novel focuses on Sabbah as he unveils his plan to his inner circle, and on two of his young followers — the beautiful slave girl Halima, who has come to Alamut to join Sabbah's paradise on earth, and young ibn Tahir, Sabbah's most gifted fighter. As both Halima and ibn Tahir become disillusioned with Sabbah's vision, their lives take unexpected turns. "

Ibn Tahir?
Most gifted fighter?
Sabbah = Al Mualim (really is :P)

Sory but that sounds familiar from somewhere.. no idea where though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

UBOSOFT-Gamer
10-23-2010, 02:50 PM
well, within english, italian or may spain and french i would say you are beginner, but not with german. Mark twain said once in a humor way "you learn english in 30 hours, french in 30 days and german in 30 years" :P

yepp, seems to be good books http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

it sound's familiar, because i reade a while ago, Patrice Destilets (spelled the name correct? anyway) readed the book and it was inspired. they also reade some other books. if you like i can search and try to find what other book they used/got inspired of.

DoomKnight10
10-23-2010, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by MagicoDc:
Know some German but only studied it for two months (and now am stopping, so I don't even count as a beginner :P)

Alamut (http://www.amazon.com/Alamut-Vladimir-Bartol/dp/1556436815/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287804820&sr=8-1-fkmr1)
ISMAILI ASSASSINS, THE: A History of Medieval Murder (http://www.amazon.com/ISMAILI-ASSASSINS-History-Medieval-Murder/dp/1848325053/ref=pd_sim_b_5)
Secret Societies of the Middle Ages: The Assassins, the Templars & the Secret Tribunals of Westphalia (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1578633346/ref=rdr_ext_sb_ti_sims_6)

These are books I think I might buy :P

Also now that I read the synopsis of Alamut:
"The novel focuses on Sabbah as he unveils his plan to his inner circle, and on two of his young followers — the beautiful slave girl Halima, who has come to Alamut to join Sabbah's paradise on earth, and young ibn Tahir, Sabbah's most gifted fighter. As both Halima and ibn Tahir become disillusioned with Sabbah's vision, their lives take unexpected turns. "

Ibn Tahir?
Most gifted fighter?
Sabbah = Al Mualim (really is :P)

Sory but that sounds familiar from somewhere.. no idea where though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Just sayin.

UBOSOFT-Gamer
10-23-2010, 04:09 PM
AC 1

Alamut

The Third Crusade 1191: Richard the Lionheart, Saladin and the Battle for Jerusalem

http://www.consolemonster.com/...st.php?id=0000001959 (http://www.consolemonster.com/newspost.php?id=0000001959)

http://www.computerandvideogam...rticle.php?id=148805 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=148805)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tech...assinscreedinterview (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2007/oct/19/assassinscreedinterview)

AC 2

history of Florence

http://blogs.ign.com/UbiAssassinsCreed/2009/11/20/

http://www.faceoffgames.com/section/11675

http://content.usatoday.com/co...s-patrice-desilets/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2009/11/a-killer-discussion-about-assassins-creed-ii-with-ubisofts-patrice-desilets/1)

The History Behind Assassins Creed
https://staff.tlt.psu.edu/feed/item/3762

hewkii9
10-23-2010, 04:48 PM
Of course it sounds familiar - AC1 is based on Alamut. While the game doesn't use the book's story at all, most of the game's ideas and concepts are taken from the book - the leap of faith, the Assassin's maxim, and the hidden blade [although it's concealed differently]. Even the Assassins' fortress is mentioned in the book, as Masyaf is seen as a potential expansion point for ibn Sabbah's operation.

Also, Hasan ibn Sabbah really isn't Al Mualim. You're thinking of Rashid al-din Sinan.

MagicoDc
10-23-2010, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by hewkii9:
Of course it sounds familiar - AC1 is based on Alamut. While the game doesn't use the book's story at all, most of the game's ideas and concepts are taken from the book - the leap of faith, the Assassin's maxim, and the hidden blade [although it's concealed differently]. Even the Assassins' fortress is mentioned in the book, as Masyaf is seen as a potential expansion point for ibn Sabbah's operation.

Also, Hasan ibn Sabbah really isn't Al Mualim. You're thinking of Rashid al-din Sinan.
Oh sorry got confused on that one, but still, I'm not surprised it's based on the book. Now I want to read it even more!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And wait, where does the Pieces of Eden idea comes from?

UBOSOFT-Gamer
10-26-2010, 02:40 PM
i think it is an creation by the developers

Xanatos2007
10-26-2010, 08:12 PM
You mean Assassin's Creed was created by the developers? Great bit of detective work there, Einstein. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

UBOSOFT-Gamer
10-27-2010, 02:31 PM
you didn't know that? lol

no, in response about pieces of eden idea comes from.

AubreyWilborn
10-27-2010, 11:27 PM
*IF YOU HAVN'T FINISHED ASSASSIN'S CREED II YET - SPOILER ALERT*

*AGAIN WARNING YOU*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

Makes you think of anything? especially because it's in Italy..

And this all Assassin moto which is actually the moto used by the Hashshashins and stuff that really scarily can remind you of Pieces of Eden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eltanin_Antenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsegg_Iron
Sorry if you disagree with me on that one but that's my opinion..

Also this all Illuminati stuff, and 2012, and that theory of actually being created or related to some ET life, and that there were actually two civilizations, both human, but with a large gap of darkness and not even a single historical thing about that gap between them (suggesting the first civilization was just annihilated somehow), that's all stuff which is actually being researched! I don't know about you, but this stuff is scary in my opinion :P


The piece of Eden doesn't come from anything historical, lol. It's just fiction invented by the game's developers. And as for the Ancient Astronauts theory-I'm huge, amateur buff at that stuff. Most of it is still considered "psedoscience", because there is no hard evidence for it. But the literary and mythical evidence for it is pretty interesting. So many ancient civilizations have stories about lights in the sky, and meeting wierd "people" who are not of this world. Fascinating stuff.

AubreyWilborn
10-27-2010, 11:29 PM
Also, was anyone else kinda disappointed that in the AC universe, the "ones who came before" were annhilated by a solar flare, and not a great flood? There are hundreds of "great flood" myths throughout the world. Some of them mention great, god-like civilizations which were destroyed by this same great flood.