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Tallyho1961
03-10-2005, 06:54 AM
Is the presence, or lack thereof, of clouds determined by the server, or are each pilots personal settings in effect online?

dgaggi
03-10-2005, 06:56 AM
Pretty sure it's up to the server. Otherwise, you would have an advantage if you had them turned off and I had them on trying to hide in the clouds. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tigertalon
03-10-2005, 07:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dgaggi:
Pretty sure it's up to the server. Otherwise, you would have an advantage if you had them turned off and I had them on trying to hide in the clouds. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But from time to time it seems that enemy is miraculasly following me jinking through the cloud... Enter the cloud, change direction a few times randomly, come out somewhere, and he is still on my 6... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Hetzer_II
03-10-2005, 07:23 AM
The host can chose if clouds are on, but the client can choose the "type"of clouds in his setup menu.

You can choose if clouds are detailed on your system or not, detailed clouds are bigger than the "low-res" clouds.

The effect is:
Sometimes you see that people are trying to get cover from a cloud where you cant see a cloud, its in the area where he (with detailed clouds) is in the cloud but not for you with your "low-res" clouds..

Ahhh not easy to describe.. hope you got what i mean...

Greets

Tully__
03-10-2005, 07:27 AM
If the server has clouds on, everyone will have clouds. Those who have detailed clouds will see them at greater distances than those who have medium clouds, but otherwise there's no difference.

Tallyho1961
03-10-2005, 07:33 AM
Dgaggi, this is exactly the motivation behind my question. I'm still fairly new to online play and find a nice big cloud bank is often my best friend when fighting a more experienced pilot. But like TigerTalon said, I've also had a bandit stick to me like glue through the clouds despite making random course and altitude shifts to throw him off.

Can anyone give the definitive answer here?

Hetzer_II
03-10-2005, 07:41 AM
I already did ;-)

Manos1
03-10-2005, 07:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
If the server has clouds on, everyone will have clouds. Those who have detailed clouds will see them at greater distances than those who have medium clouds, but otherwise there's no difference. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please allow me to express a different opinion Tully,

It is true that
1. Those who have detailed clouds will see them at greater distances than those who have medium clouds.
But also
2. Those who have detailed clouds will see a lot more clouds than those who have medium clouds.

I is pity because I like detailed clouds a lot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

JG53Frankyboy
03-10-2005, 07:54 AM
i can only say , dont trust clouds online !!

more than once following happend - with other people on VoiceComs:
i was in a cloud on my screen, for another player i was not ! and other way round too.
and we had the same clouddetail settings !

soo, i never use clouds to hide.

F19_Ob
03-10-2005, 10:29 AM
What tully said.

And also...In a battle the two available cloudtypes doesn't have any greater inpact. That close the clouds are visible to all.

Frankyboy doesn't trust clouds but to me they are a great aid for escaping, reversing a fight or just to cool the engine for a while when overheated.
I often fly crappier planes that cant gain the advantage in the open so easily (p38's or il-2's for example).
One have to be mindful though and climb high enough into the cloud so an attacker behind cant see you and counter your moves.
The experienced will dive below the cloud or remain above waiting since its easier to spot something in the thinnest (vertical) part of the cloud.
On the horisontal the layer is just too thick.

a few thoughts

Monty_Thrud
03-10-2005, 10:58 AM
Sometime ago on Warclouds i was chasing a FW190 into some clouds, he was to my right, when amongst the clouds i suddenly went into a spin and had to bail...i'd lost a wing...!?..i watched the video afterwards and it showed me and the FW190 colliding just outside the bank of clouds,he'd turned across me in clear perfect daylight...wierd...anyway, he got the kill, it didnt affect the FW

Tallyho1961
03-10-2005, 11:05 AM
Thanks guys and to Hetzer II - your answer is perfectly clear; I posted my follow up before you answered, but the post order somehow got shuffled. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks!

bolillo_loco
03-11-2005, 12:47 PM
one thing I have noticed is that if you are close enough to the a/c when you enter the cloud you can see their canopy reflection. I have shot down a lot of people in clouds because I could see glare on their canopy. I had quite a few people question me about this and they just dont believe me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif the time is 12 noon static time, when i run a server I lock the time.

on the other hand I have noticed (via voice coms) a friend turns detailed clouds on and I have mine set to medium. now when said friend enters cloud I can still see them. once they are deep inside the cloud I do lose sight of them, but it is well after they said to them they entered the cloud and could no longer see.

ZG77_Lignite
03-11-2005, 01:07 PM
Imho, this has been adjusted slightly (for the worse) since the release of PF. It used to be 'medium' type clouds equaled 'detail' clouds out to about 5km (or was it 8? memory fails). Now they are reduced, 'medium' clouds equal 'detailed' out to about 3km.

This is with standard offline dot_ranges, possibly it is tied to the dot_range though (thus effecting online play).

TheGozr
03-11-2005, 05:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4511039582

read.