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eddiemac0
02-12-2005, 01:54 PM
P-40s versus Betty...

Um, survivability rate is low so far (flying USAAF New Guinea). I almost scissor with the bomber and shoot a few rounds as he zooms bye. I hit him a lot, but never enough to get fire? Is there a way I can get close enough and hold still long enough to actually aim at his wings/engines?

Thanks in advance...

eddiemac0
02-12-2005, 01:54 PM
P-40s versus Betty...

Um, survivability rate is low so far (flying USAAF New Guinea). I almost scissor with the bomber and shoot a few rounds as he zooms bye. I hit him a lot, but never enough to get fire? Is there a way I can get close enough and hold still long enough to actually aim at his wings/engines?

Thanks in advance...

SeminoleX
02-12-2005, 02:02 PM
Try zooming attacks from above, headon, and/or from the side.

If you stay in one spot(especially in the rear) pumping lead you're gonna get creamed every time. Many times wounding the bomber is enough to cause it to crash before it can rtb. If you can start it smoking, or losing fuel, you have usually gotten a kill if you only give it time.

VW-IceFire
02-12-2005, 02:39 PM
Try and avoid dead 6 attacks. Hit them from angles above or below. Concentrate your fire for a second or two and then adjust your heading to avoid gunfire.

Some aircraft are better than others when it comes to shooting down bombers too...depends on what you have.

Giganoni
02-12-2005, 03:03 PM
Its a good idea to never tail a bomber but, the betty especially so since its tailgun is a 20mm. I don't think a P-40's engine would like 20mm rounds exploding into it.

Waldo.Pepper
02-12-2005, 03:36 PM
I use harsh language when I attack.

It seems to help.

Wemic
02-12-2005, 03:43 PM
Also, be sure to adjust your gun convergence. I set mine for 350m which seems to work well for me.

Wemic

Chuck_Older
02-12-2005, 04:03 PM
One the first post in this thread, I show a pic of what to do and where to be:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4901099372

The bomber is close when you open fire in this tactic. So close your convergance...might not matter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HotelBushranger
02-12-2005, 11:32 PM
About 90% of the time I'm flying P-40s against Bettys, So I know my stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The best way is for the first pass, to get some height and dive down. Weave back up and shoot from the bottom. Most importantly, you have to be flying around it, weaving two and fro;never be in the same spot for more than a second, otherwise the gunners will be able to catch up to you.
In one of my missions, I dive on some Bettys with a thousand metre advantage;get flamers on the lead almost everytime. It depends on your speed and distance;at 500 metres the bullts will likely scratch the paint (much to the annoyance of the pilot I'm sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif). However, if you're diving down at a 45 or so degree angle, at 500ks due to the higher altitude, the bullets are going to do more damage. Also, don't aim for the fuselage; I always aim for the engines. 6 x .50 cals can do a lot of damage when used properly. Now when you make your pass, fire for a second, and roll up or left/right. Don't dive, the tail gunner and bottom gunner will get a chance to fire at you;they won't necessarily it you; you'll be going almost 3 times as fast as him, but don't risk it, especially when flying against Veteran or Ace AI.

I think that covers everything, but just remember:
Get speed and/or height before attacking,
Weave around it when possible, or just zoom past;no heroics or movie style fighting,
When you take your shot make sure it counts, aim for the most vulnerable bits (mostly engine),
Get some distance before making another pass,
And just in case of fighters, if possible have someone cover your six.

Good luck and good hunting! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

eddiemac0
02-13-2005, 12:02 AM
thanks for all the help, will get back to work on them soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

flyplenty
02-13-2005, 04:49 AM
I'm with HotelBushranger on this, but make sure your first pass is a good one! Hits on an engine will slow it down. And keep your speed up. The Betty is pretty quick for a bomber, you might need a lot of time to get ahead of it again for your next pass, if you lose too much speed in the turns. Have fun with the "lighter"! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jarink
02-13-2005, 03:16 PM
I like head-on passes from level or slightly above. None of the Japanese bombers in PF have decent forward-firing guns. Pass underneath, making sure to avoid any bombs/torps being jettisoned! Zoom back to about 2-300m above them and swing around until you get out about 3km in front again. Repeat.

JunkoIfurita
02-13-2005, 04:10 PM
Chuck's method is a goodie, never underestimate the high side pass.

Still, if you find yourself at a distinct height advantage, the vertical dive requires a lot less skill, and you stay blind to the gunners for 90% of the time. Fly over them 500-1000m above, invert, looking up (down) through your cockpit to keep them fixed in view. When you pass slightly over them, pull the stick back and go into a stuka-like dive. Aim for the wing-root - if you're going after the 'lighter' you might as well scratch at the lighter-fluid. Extended burst from about 400m, then you'll pass below them, pull out of the dive before it gets dangerous and use your energy advantage to climb above them again for a rinse-repeat (if you need it). I honed this technique in 109 F4s against TB3s, when the vertical dive was the only way for my soft MGs to hit anything critical.

I'd do a screenie, but I'm too lazy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

eddiemac0
02-13-2005, 04:28 PM
Oh, I would always try to converge while I was still high and behind; I should dive bomb the suckers.

Still working on the high side pass; how far ahead of my target should I be when I want turn into him (that would change given how far away I was laterally I suppose...)