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M2morris
04-27-2007, 03:04 PM
I'm doing a cam-pain and I launch from a carrier in a Hellcat because the fleet is under attack. "Go GO GO!" get to altitude ASAP!.
Well, during the whole thing I flamed 4 enemy planes, that-is put them on-fire, and I definatley splashed one more for sure. But I set several of them on fire, so as I do that I instantly peel away and go after another one, and so on before his wingman or somebody gets on my 6. As I get on the tail of another frank I get enough ****s into him to get him burning and sure enough a freindly comes blasting right into my field of view and takes him out the rest of the way.

" Good shot three, he's going to hell." I hear.
(I am number one) well tthat vulching had me pee- owed. Those wingys took 4/5 of my kills in the end..
I shoulda shot that sombee-atch for steeling my kill. Okay, thanks for listening. My ranting and whining is now over.
AI vulching peesses me-owff.
Time for the next mission. So-far I'm a Louie with a silver star 19 sorties and 41 kills. This sim rocks.

XyZspineZyX
04-27-2007, 04:27 PM
shoot the sum***** down

staticline1
04-27-2007, 08:43 PM
Been there many of times. The first couple of times I just let it go but finally got so irritated that the ******* had to go. So I made it a point to remove the wingman from the roster. Doesn't help the war effort any but made me feel a bit better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

VW-IceFire
04-27-2007, 09:40 PM
Sounds pretty much the same as people online. The AI is actually very good at replicating people being stupid.

polak5
04-28-2007, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The AI is actually very good at replicating people being stupid.

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tigertalon
04-28-2007, 03:00 AM
Order them to RTB.

M2morris
04-28-2007, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
Order them to RTB.
Thnks, good idea, if that doesnt work I'll start going it alone like staticline said.
I watched the movie Flags of our Fathers a few days ago and this campaign so far is completley on Iwo Jima, good stuff.

stansdds
04-28-2007, 06:25 AM
Yep, AI, on or off line, will steal kills whenever they can. Very immature of them and I think if a real combat pilot saw an enemy aircraft on fire and in a dive, they'd leave him to his own demise and look for a live one to shoot down or a friend in trouble.

On more than one online mission my skipper would review the track and award kills to us if we clearly incapacitated an aircraft or pilot and an AI zoomed in at the last moment and put a couple of rounds into the dead aircraft before it impacted the ground.

WWSensei
04-28-2007, 11:48 AM
If you are the Squadron/flight commander padlock the enemy aircraft and do a Squadron->Tactical->Break and they will peel off and hunt elsewhere.

M2morris
04-28-2007, 08:26 PM
Take a look at this; everything from
1 March 1945 represent campaign flights I made after recieving advice from you guys. I told those chuckle-head AIs to RTB, or break, and it looks like I do alot better all by my self. I put a wuppin on those Japanese pilots, BUTT
I also found that I can steal kills from my own Navy ships by just getting hits on planes and when the Navy AAA gets them I get credit for it.
I found out about that long after I ran out of ammo and I had 6 or 8 enemy still chasing me around my own ships trying to SHOOT me until FINALLY my own ships decided to open up on them an eternity later. It's a miracle I made it back on deck alive.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/grab0001-2.jpg

Nimits
04-28-2007, 09:12 PM
You know, IRL, alot of (probably even a majority of) kills were claimed by more than one pilot. What happened in real life is that if intel figured out there had been been a double claim, they would either award it to who they or the pilots engaged decided was the most "deserving" or split the kill; but most of the time intel never knew for sure, so they just awarded multiple kills (which is why most air forces, including the Luftwaffe, overclaimed by about 1.5-2 times the number of enemy aircraft actually destroyed). Since the game does not allow overclaims or split kills, sometimes you lose. But it is in fact rather realistic that you have AIs and yourself all shooting at one plane.

M2morris
04-28-2007, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Nimits:
You know, IRL, alot of (probably even a majority of) kills were claimed by more than one pilot. What happened in real life is that if intel figured out there had been been a double claim, they would either award it to who they or the pilots engaged decided was the most "deserving" or split the kill; but most of the time intel never knew for sure, so they just awarded multiple kills (which is why most air forces, including the Luftwaffe, overclaimed by about 1.5-2 times the number of enemy aircraft actually destroyed). Since the game does not allow overclaims or split kills, sometimes you lose. But it is in fact rather realistic that you have AIs and yourself all shooting at one plane.
That is very interesting and informative, and one thing I have always thought about is; if I was a fighter pilot in war I would probably not have worried so much about who killed what enemy plane, as long as that enemy plane was shot down, I would still be happy. The hell with all the counting and taking credit,all that **** would not even have been much of a thought at that time.

M2morris
04-29-2007, 09:09 PM
Back with another report to whomever in may concern. I slightly dabbled in an ETO campaign once when I first found this sim in late 2004 or early 05 maybe, since then I have only been an FMB geek, and I am sort of blown away by how fast they awarded me the CMH for sorties flown on this my 1st PF campaign, I mean, I have settings set pretty easy. Sometimes I even go to no-cockpit to check something out. But I did notice that as I blacked out trying to escape enemy zekes, they would tend to not shoot anymore, sort of like they were fooked up by the turn as well as I was, maybe the AI were blacking out? I doubt it. I just know I got away from them, and they made a mistake by not continuing to pursue me. But I am enjoying the heck out of this-my-first campaign ever flown after so many years of FMBing it only.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/CMH.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/grab0000-3.jpg
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M2morris
04-29-2007, 09:12 PM
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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-30-2007, 08:28 AM
Get online dude, get on TS and enjoy twisting around with other humans...after you finish the campaign of course.

Nimits
04-30-2007, 01:30 PM
and I am sort of blown away by how fast they awarded me the CMH for sorties flown on this my 1st PF campaign

Well, you exceeded the record of the American Ace of Aces by 20 planes, and are averaging 2+ kills per sortie; that will tend to get you the MoH (or the Knights Cross, or Victoria Cross, etc.)

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M2morris
04-30-2007, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and I am sort of blown away by how fast they awarded me the CMH for sorties flown on this my 1st PF campaign

Well, you exceeded the record of the American Ace of Aces by 20 planes, and are averaging 2+ kills per sortie; that will tend to get you the MoH (or the Knights Cross, or Victoria Cross, etc.)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I geuss thats what a simulator geek like me can do as long as he has that "refly" button going for him.
Here's a way to add some REAL consequences to a failed flight-sim mission; pull THIS chair up to your PC desk, hook it up to the program and fly, you would be a real-careful pilot then I'm sure.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/electchair.jpg

AVG_WarHawk
04-30-2007, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by M2morris:
I geuss thats what a simulator geek like me can do as long as he has that "refly" button going for him.
Here's a way to add some REAL consequences to a failed flight-sim mission; pull THIS chair up to your PC desk, hook it up to the program and fly, you would be a real-careful pilot then I'm sure.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/electchair.jpg

As soon as odds improve, I now order them to RTB, they've stolen my joy too many times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif That chair might retrict my use of rudder pedals yet increase my incentive to succeed. If for no other reason, to keep the electric bill down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Huxley_S
04-30-2007, 10:02 PM
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Deadmeat313
05-01-2007, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by M2morris:
...one thing I have always thought about is; if I was a fighter pilot in war I would probably not have worried so much about who killed what enemy plane, as long as that enemy plane was shot down...

I think a lot of us have reached that level of maturity in this community, but this reminds me of a pilot in the book "Finest Hour" by Tim Blayton and Phil Craig.

The book is a narrative history of the Battle of Britain, and one of the pilots they follow is a chap called Dennis Wissler. He is an okay pilot and gets a couple of kills early on, but then his luck seems to dry up. He comes back time and time again from sorties where they either met no opposition, or where he was not in a position to be able to attack the enemy. Other sorties come back with tales of how they encountered a whole bunch of unescorted Ju-87s and tore them to bits etc, but poor Wissler always seems to miss these chances and his score falls behind.

He's a young man in a very competitive environment, and some of his more successful squadron-mates start to comment in a petty and vicious fashion, suggesting that he is a bad pilot, or even worse - "LMF". (Lacking in Moral Fibre = A Coward).

Based on Wissler's journal, and interviews with his fiance, his story is a sad tale of a man driven to desperate measures to get some more air kills. His fate is not a happy one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


T.

Xiolablu3
05-07-2007, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Get online dude, get on TS and enjoy twisting around with other humans...after you finish the campaign of course.
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If you like offline campaign you are going to love online battles.

Rammjaeger
05-08-2007, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
Order them to RTB.

I think the best tactic to neutralise kill stealing is to order everyone to rejoin after you've hit the enemy plane.

Billy_BigBoy
05-10-2007, 04:16 PM
I remember a dirty trick that worked a couple of patches ago anyway: get them in formation and go low. Then slow down, I mean slooooooow down, flaps gear. And the kill-stealers will fall like leaves http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Philipscdrw
05-11-2007, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by M2morris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and I am sort of blown away by how fast they awarded me the CMH for sorties flown on this my 1st PF campaign

Well, you exceeded the record of the American Ace of Aces by 20 planes, and are averaging 2+ kills per sortie; that will tend to get you the MoH (or the Knights Cross, or Victoria Cross, etc.)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I geuss thats what a simulator geek like me can do as long as he has that "refly" button going for him.
Here's a way to add some REAL consequences to a failed flight-sim mission; pull THIS chair up to your PC desk, hook it up to the program and fly, you would be a real-careful pilot then I'm sure.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/electchair.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah, you were Chair of Electrical Engineering at an important government institution, kept there by close personal ties, doing work with - in its field - shocking results.

M2morris
05-12-2007, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M2morris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and I am sort of blown away by how fast they awarded me the CMH for sorties flown on this my 1st PF campaign

Well, you exceeded the record of the American Ace of Aces by 20 planes, and are averaging 2+ kills per sortie; that will tend to get you the MoH (or the Knights Cross, or Victoria Cross, etc.)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I geuss thats what a simulator geek like me can do as long as he has that "refly" button going for him.
Here's a way to add some REAL consequences to a failed flight-sim mission; pull THIS chair up to your PC desk, hook it up to the program and fly, you would be a real-careful pilot then I'm sure.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/electchair.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah, you were Chair of Electrical Engineering at an important government institution, kept there by close personal ties, doing work with - in its field - shocking results. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Howdjyou geuss. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
Actually I had read The Green Mile by Stephen King, and I thought that the electric chair would fit in there.

M2morris
05-12-2007, 06:22 PM
Huxley_s, that vent photo is perfect. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
I needed that.
As you can see I don't check back to this forum much, but thanks for being a complaint absorbing tampon anyway.

To anyone concerned:

I am about to go back at this very minute to resume the Hellcat campaign I am on. Man I am wondering how long it will last; sometime till August 45 I'm sure, but how many more dang missions? I am REALLY wanting to do a Corsiar campaign. Anyone know where I can get a good F4U Corsair campaign?

Fox_3
05-15-2007, 07:06 AM
A great Corsair campaign. The VMF-214 Campaign by Dhumphrey.

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.ph...e_number=4&cat_id=28 (http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/listings.php?page_number=4&cat_id=28)