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Frumpkis
04-10-2005, 05:41 PM
I know I saw a thread on this recently but I can't find it now (the search tool on this forum sucks).

I'm still early in the war (summer 1940) and doing fine in my VIIB. I think I'll stick with the VII series to the end, to avoid the long patrols of the IX series.

I have enough renown to make the swap to a VIIC, but is there really in point in that? I'm not seeing any major advantages... either in the manual or the in-game info.

I noticed that the in-game upgrade timeline chart shows more options for C-series conning towers later in the war, although I can't tell if they apply to all the C's, or if some are only for the C/41-42's.

So what do y'all recomend? Stick with the B, or upgrade to the C? I have too much renown right now, and nothing else to spend it on!

BlueHawk_1
04-10-2005, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frumpkis:
I know I saw a thread on this recently but I can't find it now (the search tool on this forum sucks).

I'm still early in the war (summer 1940) and doing fine in my VIIB. I think I'll stick with the VII series to the end, to avoid the long patrols of the IX series.

I have enough renown to make the swap to a VIIC, but is there really in point in that? I'm not seeing any major advantages... either in the manual or the in-game info.

I noticed that the in-game upgrade timeline chart shows more options for C-series conning towers later in the war, although I can't tell if they apply to all the C's, or if some are only for the C/41-42's.

So what do y'all recomend? Stick with the B, or upgrade to the C? I have too much renown right now, and nothing else to spend it on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i reccomend upgrading to the C, i myself am a Cpt of a C class U-boat, i will stick with forever. You get 2 flak guns plus a deck gun, with no loss of speed so it's a good deal!

BlueHawk_1
04-10-2005, 07:47 PM
oh by the way, with the B your forced to torpedo merchants, with the C, sneak up on it and gun it to death, that way you don't waste a torpedo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Nukem_Hicks
04-10-2005, 07:52 PM
The VIIC's length was slightly increased over the VIIB without a correlating increase in engine power, resulting in slightly slower (and I do mean slight) speeds in the VIIC. On the other hand, the dive time for the VIIC was dropped by about 3 seconds. It comes down to personal preference: vertical v. horizontal speed. I personally prefer the VIIC since I have a nasty habit of being surprised by angry DDs (I perform TDC calcs manually which means I spend too much time studying merchs and not enough time looking out for DDs), making a faster dive time a necessity. That extra three seconds can make quite the difference in whether the DD successfully rams you or not. Late in the war, however, when you're rarely on the surface, means that dive time won't really matter, although by then you'll have probably upgraded to the VIIC/41.

In terms of VII-class v. IX-class: I prefer to stick with the VIIs. The extra torpedo load-out with the IXs is great, as is the ability to participate in Operation Drumbeat (Brit escorts get really good around early 1942, making the unescorted shipping off the American coast a joy). That being said, the VIIs dive much faster and make for a much smaller sonar target in addition to increased underwater mobility. These attributes become critical later in the war, resulting in increased sinking rates of the IX over the VII.

KiwiVenge
04-10-2005, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlueHawk_1:
oh by the way, with the B your forced to torpedo merchants, with the C, sneak up on it and gun it to death, that way you don't waste a torpedo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

B has a gun too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

quillan
04-10-2005, 08:05 PM
There is very little in game difference between the two. In reality, the C was a little slower underwater and the batteries didn't last quite as long, but could dive a little faster and a little deeper. In the game, as is, the crush depths aren't modeled realisitically; all subs seem to die somewhere around 180 meters, even those that could go deeper (sometimes much deeper). People are making mods to change that if you're interested. Also, there are a couple of upgrades the C gets that the B doesn't.

The B gets two flak guns, at the same time the C does: January of 1942. It's a conning tower upgrade. The big differences are the C gets another tower upgrade or two beyond that. In January of 42, the C gets one that can put a heavy flak as well as two light flaks (same basic setup as the IX boats get), and in June of 43, yet another, that replaces the deck gun and the previous flak guns with 3 quad mounts. Also, only the VIIC/42 can get the Niebelung sonar when it becomes available.

As a practical matter, there isn't a lot of differences between the VIIB and VIIC models. The later you wait to switch, the more of the upgrades you paid for on the VIIB will become standard with a new VIIC. There's a default setup for each year. So, if you upgrade to a VIIC in 1943, you'll have a lot of free upgrades to it that would have had to have been paid for with renown if you'd grabbed it back in 1940. The big drawback to the VIIC (and not a very large one) is the slightly reduced underwater speed and range, and by the time you get the second battery upgrade, that will largely have been taken care of. With the same upgrades, a B will still go slightly faster and slightly farther underwater than a C would, but it's not much of a difference.