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mandrill7
03-02-2006, 09:46 AM
I'm partway thru a "dual" campaign which will have flyable versions for both Red and Blue. It's set on the Kanalfront in Summer 1943. Blue is JG26 "Schlageter" and flies the FW190A-5.

So far, I've been concentrating on the Spitfire IXc LF (CW) for the good guys. But I would like to ensure that the plane is historically accurate for the time period chosen.

As well, could anyone tell how this Spit variant was normally employed operationally by the RAF? I have a couple of high altitude B-17 escort missions at about 20,000 feet which would seem "wrong" for a LF/ CW variant. In the Blue-flyable version, Red = early P-47's and is USAAF. But the RAF version will have all Spitfires as the escort a/c.

I have another mission at about 10,000 feet escorting B-25's. Would a LF/ CW variant be used at this altitude for this type of mission either?

Any info or insights appreciated.

F6_Ace
03-02-2006, 10:43 AM
"Spitfire Experten" = Oxymoron

DIRTY-MAC
03-02-2006, 11:02 AM
he he no one responces,
because thereāĀ“s no such thing
as a Spitfire experten http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

horseback
03-02-2006, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by mandrill7:
I'm partway thru a "dual" campaign which will have flyable versions for both Red and Blue. It's set on the Kanalfront in Summer 1943. Blue is JG26 "Schlageter" and flies the FW190A-5.

So far, I've been concentrating on the Spitfire IXc LF (CW) for the good guys. But I would like to ensure that the plane is historically accurate for the time period chosen.

As well, could anyone tell how this Spit variant was normally employed operationally by the RAF? I have a couple of high altitude B-17 escort missions at about 20,000 feet which would seem "wrong" for a LF/ CW variant. In the Blue-flyable version, Red = early P-47's and is USAAF. But the RAF version will have all Spitfires as the escort a/c.

I have another mission at about 10,000 feet escorting B-25's. Would a LF/ CW variant be used at this altitude for this type of mission either?

Any info or insights appreciated. Generally speaking, the period you refer to was about the time that the Spit Mk IX became the predominant Mark used by combat Squadrons in Great Britain. As far as I know, the clipped wing version was fairly rare at that point, but Spits designated LF, F or HF differed mainly in when the final supercharger stage kicked in, to allow the best performance at a preferred height. Other than that, it was largely the same engine and equipment (altho the HF specialists were issued thicker socks).

In actual practice, it seems that there was little actual performance difference once the various types reached 25,000 ft.

Your LF Mk IXc was just as likely to escort B-17s at higher altitudes as RAF B-25 or USAAF B-26s (USAAF operated no B-25 'mediums' for bombing out of the UK during WWII). At that point in the war, they were too busy on the Channel front to dither over what altitude your Spits' blower started.

You had Mk IXs, you flew the missions they needed you for that day.

cheers

horseback

TX-Zen
03-02-2006, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
"Spitfire Experten" = Oxymoron


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Horseback, good response http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Lucius_Esox
03-02-2006, 12:30 PM
"Spitfire Experten" = Oxymoron

Noob.

Chuck_Older
03-02-2006, 01:54 PM
Well, maybe, but my first reaction to the title was....Spit pilots spoke English, not German

Viper2005_
03-02-2006, 02:02 PM
We don't have an F.IX Spitfire in game; you've either got an LF with clipped wings, an LF with normal wings, an LF with +25 and normal wings or an HF, plus the c/e wing choice. AFAIK.

luftluuver
03-02-2006, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Well, maybe, but my first reaction to the title was....Spit pilots spoke English, not German Besides Norwegian, Czech, Polish, French and a few others.

SnapdLikeAMutha
03-02-2006, 02:24 PM
Some of them spoke American

ploughman
03-02-2006, 02:34 PM
...and even German.


http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Spitfire_MkIX_nazicaptured_wartimecolour.jpg

mandrill7
03-02-2006, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
]Generally speaking, the period you refer to was about the time that the Spit Mk IX became the predominant Mark used by combat Squadrons in Great Britain. As far as I know, the clipped wing version was fairly rare at that point, but Spits designated LF, F or HF differed mainly in when the final supercharger stage kicked in, to allow the best performance at a preferred height. Other than that, it was largely the same engine and equipment (altho the HF specialists were issued thicker socks).

In actual practice, it seems that there was little actual performance difference once the various types reached 25,000 ft.

Your LF Mk IXc was just as likely to escort B-17s at higher altitudes as RAF B-25 or USAAF B-26s (USAAF operated no B-25 'mediums' for bombing out of the UK during WWII). At that point in the war, they were too busy on the Channel front to dither over what altitude your Spits' blower started.

You had Mk IXs, you flew the missions they needed you for that day.

cheers

horseback

Appreciate the help. So in short, forget the clipped wings and don't worry too much about using a LF at 20,000 feet.

ImpStarDuece
03-02-2006, 07:57 PM
LF. IXs were more likely to operate as close escort.

F. IXs were more likely to operate as swing escort.

HF. IXs were more likely to act as high cover.

F6_Ace
03-03-2006, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Spitfire Experten" = Oxymoron

Noob. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are ace of F6?

Lucius_Esox
03-03-2006, 03:15 AM
You are ace of F6?

No, I'm extremely proficient in the key combination, ctrl e though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Seriously though F6 when people say the Spit is a noob plane I think they haven't flown it too much against good Blue pilots.

Even the Spit Mk9 25pound boost can be bested by good 190/109 jocks if the Spit pilot is not up to much, not even a noob, just noob to average, hey even Ace to ace I'm not sure who would win!!

It makes me think that because people don't have the skill to beat it fair and square they sorta badmouth it and blame it for their own lack of skills (or aircraft choice!!!),,, pretty much the same as real life there then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It's a great aircraft in this sim as it was in real life,,, the best???

To survive consistently in a Spit in a hostile environment with good pilots around takes enough skill imo to warrent the term "experten"

People who think differently, well I've already expressed my opinion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pinker15
03-03-2006, 05:35 AM
To bee spitfire experten U need to fly alot on this plane. Everybody who is saying that spitfire is a noob plane have no idea what are talking about. That one plane is better dogfighter than others dont mean it is a noob plane esspecially when its FM is quite correct. I notice that many Lw flyers call an "UFO" every plane what turns better than LW birds and have similar speed. I know that can be painfull but spit just was better pure air dominance dogfighter than any LW plane.

F6_Ace
03-03-2006, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You are ace of F6?

No, I'm extremely proficient in the key combination, ctrl e though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Seriously though F6 when people say the Spit is a noob plane I think they haven't flown it too much against good Blue pilots.

Even the Spit Mk9 25pound boost can be bested by good 190/109 jocks if the Spit pilot is not up to much, not even a noob, just noob to average, hey even Ace to ace I'm not sure who would win!!

It makes me think that because people don't have the skill to beat it fair and square they sorta badmouth it and blame it for their own lack of skills (or aircraft choice!!!),,, pretty much the same as real life there then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It's a great aircraft in this sim as it was in real life,,, the best???

To survive consistently in a Spit in a hostile environment with good pilots around takes enough skill imo to warrent the term "experten"

People who think differently, well I've already expressed my opinion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spitfire has few vices. Almost new best for climb, dive, turn, carbon fibre wings during pull outs, armament and view. Level speed is not as good as some but who needs that when you can force most opponent away by climb

I do not think you need to be experten to get good results with the spitfire.

Especially if F6 ace in the cockpit.

Lucius_Esox
03-03-2006, 07:23 AM
Spitfire has few vices. Almost new best for climb, dive, turn, carbon fibre wings during pull outs, armament and view. Level speed is not as good as some but who needs that when you can force most opponent away by climb

I do not think you need to be experten to get good results with the spitfire.


Agree, to a point! But it's relative. It's what you consider good results.

F6_Ace
03-03-2006, 08:21 AM
Good result: swapping stories back at bar with half pint in hand

Bad result: cannon round + head = mess in pit

F6_Ace
03-03-2006, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
...and even German.


http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Spitfire_MkIX_nazicaptured_wartimecolour.jpg

who painted markings on that? abstract artist or 2 year old child?

Chuck_Older
03-03-2006, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Well, maybe, but my first reaction to the title was....Spit pilots spoke English, not German Besides Norwegian, Czech, Polish, French and a few others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but at bottom, they all knew how to say "repeat, please" in English. I've seen the film.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nigel Carruthers: "I say old chappie, Bob's your uncle"

Cyril Knightsbridge: "Say wot old boy? My Uncle's name IS Bob, and he's quite a mensch, at that"

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seems odd, hey wot?