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xxcurarexx
12-19-2004, 10:39 PM
There's so much excitement around here about BoB being done by 1C. But I don't get it. Most of us have already played a great BoB campaign made my 3rd party people and had fun. FB/AEP/PF already contains most of the planes that would be in BoB. If the big hubbub is all about 1C making an official BoB dynamic campaign, then I don't see the excitement. While this flight sim is absolutely fantastic for on-line play and some static missions, we all know that the dynamic campaigns are the weakest and most unengaging part (at least that seems to be the general sentiment).

I hope Oleg and the team keep up the great work and I'll always pay top dollar for their products, but the only reason I would buy BoB would be to update my game for on-line play. Otherwise, about the theater itself: been there, done that. I hope they do something different...

Just an opinion...what do you all think?

edit: if there's some info I missed about what people are really looking forward to in BoB, please inform me.

WUAF_Badsight
12-19-2004, 10:44 PM
BoB is going to be a new Game Engine

all new from the ground up , made for Combat Flight Simming

by guys who have been making awesome Flight Sims for the last 5 years

RedDeth
12-19-2004, 10:49 PM
its a next generation game. it takes advantage of all the new technology.

basically its like comparing the original DOOM and DOOM 2 to the new release DOOM 3.

or comparing half-life to half-life 2.

if you loved the originals of those games you worship doom3 and half-life2.

thats basically it. there will be so much more detail in B.O.B. itll make Pacific Fighters look dated. and im not exaggerating. you will need a TOP END system to run B.O.B. as there will be hundreds of planes in the air at same time with extreme detail never before seen in a flight sim.

another comparison would be CFS2 to P.F. for example. same theater but cfs2 was a horrible game in my opinion. i bought it and tried to get into it but shelved it and went back to janes world war two fighters.

so dont expect the same old same old when Oleg releases B.O.B. itll be similar to how IL-2 changed flight sims forever. B.O.B. will do it again.

i guarantee the tracer fire and smoke from planes will probably look like your watching a real movie.

and no im not a B.O.B fan. but that is just what im expecting. and im not expecting to be unpleasantly surprised. not by Oleg. love him or hate him you know he has the same goals as you or me. to produce the most awesome flight simulation available to technology

Skycat_2
12-20-2004, 12:47 AM
Here's a reason. (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/070504/Bf-109E3_03.jpg)

Here's another. (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/7nov/Hurricane.jpg) (If you're not convinced yet, take a better look (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/21nov/Hurry_dam3.jpg).)

WTE_Ibis
12-20-2004, 01:39 AM
xxcurarexx, Maybe you need a little hormone therapy,perhaps a little testosterone.I heard that "The Sims" was a good game,you might give that a try. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Sorry,the devil made me say it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Friendly_flyer
12-20-2004, 02:26 AM
Extreme One and Pyomandos BoB campaign is wonderful, but it suffers from being made from a system really not made for a BoB scenario, no matter how cleverly they have utilised the Gulf of Finland.

And, the Battle of Britain is the mother of all air battles!

LEXX_Luthor
12-20-2004, 04:31 AM
France simulation is working on BoB addon pac Battle of France, another group is working Battle of Poland addon pac. Oleg has confirmed both. Who knows, there could be Bf~109 Dora in Battle of Poland pac. Finally, a real Dora for real flight simmers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

knightflyte
12-20-2004, 04:56 AM
I just got a chubby............

Those models look sexy cool.

regards,
Robert


Once you go Track... you never go back

VVS-Manuc
12-20-2004, 05:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
BoB is going to be a new Game Engine

all new from the ground up , made for Combat Flight Simming

by guys who have been making awesome Flight Sims for the last 5 years <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Microsoft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VVS-Manuc
12-20-2004, 05:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
its a next generation game. it takes advantage of all the new technology.

basically its like comparing the original DOOM and DOOM 2 to the new release DOOM 3.

or comparing half-life to half-life 2.

if you loved the originals of those games you worship doom3 and half-life2.

thats basically it. there will be so much more detail in B.O.B. itll make Pacific Fighters look dated. and im not exaggerating. you will need a TOP END system to run B.O.B. as there will be hundreds of planes in the air at same time with extreme detail never before seen in a flight sim.

another comparison would be CFS2 to P.F. for example. same theater but cfs2 was a horrible game in my opinion. i bought it and tried to get into it but shelved it and went back to janes world war two fighters.

so dont expect the same old same old when Oleg releases B.O.B. itll be similar to how IL-2 changed flight sims forever. B.O.B. will do it again.

i guarantee the tracer fire and smoke from planes will probably look like your watching a real movie.

and no im not a B.O.B fan. but that is just what im expecting. and im not expecting to be unpleasantly surprised. not by Oleg. love him or hate him you know he has the same goals as you or me. to produce the most awesome flight simulation available to technology <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Until now we had not seen more than some screenshots of work in progress. So no one can say what the final product may be. The whole project could be cancelled half way, too

blairgowrie
12-20-2004, 06:14 AM
I also wondered if BoB would have enough appeal to interest world markets so I started a thread here on December 6. I quickly changed my mind after I saw some posts from people who know more about it than I.

Here is a link to the thread for those who are interested:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=1771082942

-HH- Beebop
12-20-2004, 06:38 AM
The Battle of Britain campaigns in European Air War pulled me away from Janes WW II Fighters and kept me there until I had completed every camapign with every air group. A brief foray with CFS2 and then I discovered the IL-2 demo. Never looked back.
I'm eagerly awaiting the BoB from Oleg and crew.
How can you not be intriged by the story of a few men flying too few and nearly antiquated equipment, going up against the seasoned might of the most modern, battle-tested airforce in the world? The stakes...their way of life and the future of the Western world.
Great stuff!

NORAD_Zooly10
12-20-2004, 03:45 PM
allegedly BoB is still on course for a 2005 (btw it was THE most important air battle of early WW2) release (but the exact in unknown), i'm hoping that it will put the Rowan game to shame (it was a okish game but failed to hit the 'spot' for me.
~S~
Zooly

Korbelz
12-20-2004, 04:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ...wire models..wow that game will be good for sure.

Rola.
12-20-2004, 05:30 PM
I know that those press kits are old, but at least they give some info about what we can expect from BOB:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=98509

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2BOB/index.htm


No wonder we switched our project to from FB/AEP to BOB (following Oleg's advice) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
If you want to know, what 3rd party already started doing for this "future sim", visit the website of our planned BOB add-on: 9/39
www.9-1939.pl (http://www.9-1939.pl)

@ LEXX_Luthor: big S! for bumping each BOB thread with info about 9/39 project! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

axm285
12-20-2004, 05:45 PM
So will BoB be another addon similar to PF? Or is it going to be stand alone and not combinable with the other three? should i skip buying PF?

Rola.
12-20-2004, 06:06 PM
sigh...

Once again:

The IL-2/FB/AEP/PF family of sims will NOT compatible with BOB (9/39, BoF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) series because this is gonna be NEW game, with modified engine and many new features. Haven't you seen the screenshots & press kits posted above? BOB is advertised as a revolution in flightsims, just as IL-2 was in the days past.

axm285
12-20-2004, 06:41 PM
sorry, i'm with my fiance and didn't feel like reading the whole post. i guess i might hold off on getting PF then, that's good to know. i don't see why they'd release an expansion pack so soon before a whole new uncompatible game. thanks

LEXX_Luthor
12-20-2004, 06:57 PM
You will wait at least a year.

PF is pretty good right now, and runs flawlessly out of the box, but needs the first Patch for better missions and campaigns. It was heavily rushed by Publisher--old story in gaming industry. Hang out here and you get more made by 3rd Party people. You can get last year's (and now cheaper) FB Gold that you can install PF on top of if you wish, and get all the planes and maps from the very beginning of this sim combined with PF stuff. This pretty much triples the amount of content.

Wellcome to Forgotten Board.


Oh, and the world's largest, and only, MiG~3 website...
~~> http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/mig3.html


MiG~3 pilot interview, and its NOT Porkyson (sp?)...
~~> http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/Rybalko.htm

RJNewly
12-20-2004, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:

Until now we had not seen more than some screenshots of work in progress. So no one can say what the final product may be. The whole project could be cancelled half way, too

I agree with the cancelled statement. With all the things we have been hearing lately about the troubles at 1C with various issues, limited appeal of flight sims, and MONEY - I wouldn't be surprised if it was abandoned halfway through. Yes this would be unfortunate becasue the 1C crew is incredibly talented and I have received many hours of enetertainment for the $150 or so I have invested in their software over the last 3 years.

Skycat_2
12-20-2004, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by axm285:
i guess i might hold off on getting PF then, that's good to know. i don't see why they'd release an expansion pack so soon before a whole new uncompatible game. thanks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, Pacific Fighters does cover a theater of operations that BoB and the suspected first official 1C expansion will not. While PF has again pushed the IL-2 engine even further than ever intended, it does successfully capture carrier operations ... Which either interests you or it doesn't.

However, if you thought PF was a necessary link in the chain from FB to BoB, then you can breathe a sigh of relief. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

xxcurarexx
12-20-2004, 11:26 PM
Thx for all the info guys. I didn't realize that BoB was going to be a new engine...that does sound exciting even though I'd chose a different theater for it - one with a greater variety of planes.

I'm also not so eager to see me top end comp pushed to the limits so soon, but such is the way of computer games...

WUAF_Badsight
12-21-2004, 12:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xxcurarexx:
I'm also not so eager to see me top end comp pushed to the limits so soon, but such is the way of computer games... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
its not being developed for this generation of computers

its being developed to run on good computers a year from now

buy it , run it , then decide on upgrading

building beforehand is not the way to go

trumper
12-21-2004, 02:52 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifFor us Brits it give US a chance to fly,defend and fight over OUR countryside ,towns.I look forward to taking off from my local air base Duxford and flying over the countryside i know.[well 60 years earlier].
It is also a chance of upping the quality and specs of flight sims,it's all new developement that will hopefully involve other theatres of operations.

JG53Frankyboy
12-21-2004, 02:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xxcurarexx:
Thx for all the info guys. I didn't realize that BoB was going to be a new engine...that does sound exciting even though I'd chose a different theater for it - one with a greater variety of planes.

I'm also not so eager to see me top end comp pushed to the limits so soon, but such is the way of computer games... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, most propably , the BoB theater of operations was choosen because 1. its well known and 2. because of the "relatively" small variety of planes to introduce and "test" the new engine.
FM and CEM will be much improved (hopefully)

and
Spitfire MkI
Hurricane MkI
Gladiator Mk.II
Blenheim F.Mk.I
Blenheim Mk.IV

Bf109E-1/-3/-4
Bf110C
Ju87B
He111H
Ju88A-1
Do17Z-2
FIAT Cr.42
FIAT G.50
FIAT Br.20
<- yes Italians http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm


isnt bad (some planes are sure just guesses ! espacially the Bombers , but the Br20 pit was posted in a friday DevUpdate in the past http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ), isnt it ?

Rola.
12-21-2004, 06:57 AM
We've seen also the screenshots of:

Avro Anson
Avro C-30A (autogiro!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif )
Bristol Beaufighter
Messerschmitt Bf 108 Taifun
Boulton Paul Defiant Mk.I
Dornier Do 215
Heinkel 59
Focke Wulf Fw 200C-1
Heinkel He 115
Junkers Ju 52/3m
Westland Lysander Mk.II
Vickers-Armstrong Wellington

..of course those were "just" external models.

And I was giving ONLY the types seen on the actual official screenshots, I haven't leaked any confidential info... of course I deny that I have any extra information... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeminoleX
12-21-2004, 08:47 AM
If I can fly and bomb from He-111s, Do17's, and Ju88's with a better than 75% chance of returning alive from any single mission, then BoB will be a success at least as far as I am concerned.

I am guessing that BoB will just be a starter for numerous future expansions and add-ons as was Il2.

The more the better.

Capt.LoneRanger
12-21-2004, 09:04 AM
The limited planeset, timescale and theater is not a reason against BOB, but for it!

How many planes do you usually fly? I don't mean for a test, but for a campaign or online? 5 of the planes in AEP+PF? Maybe 10? That would still mean a fraction of the planes available now, and I'd gladly scrap most of the planes, even my favourites (P40, P38, P51) for a sophisticated flight modell of the planes included, vastly improved damage modelling (just look at the internat modelling!), better AI and graphics & sound engines.

You also got to remember, that BoB will be the first step in a new direction, as IL2 was originally. Other theaters are likely to follow.