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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:54 AM
So is the LA-7 slower too?
Is the FW-190D9 improved?
Or are the Germans just getting screwed again?

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:54 AM
So is the LA-7 slower too?
Is the FW-190D9 improved?
Or are the Germans just getting screwed again?

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:55 AM
I hope this is bogus. The K4 was capable of out running most fighters. It even says so in the ingame aircraft bio. That would totally suck if this was true.

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cruelsword
08-11-2003, 05:56 AM
Just wait till patch release. Nobody knows right now./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:56 AM
The K-4 was one of the fastest, IF not the fastest prop fighter of WWII.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:13 AM
THE fastest SINGLE ENGINE prop plane of the war was the P-47M.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:20 AM
You know what would be really cool?

For Oleg to pick one story and stick with it!

EDIT:Or let me do the FM work!

Message Edited on 08/11/0305:20AM by VOL_Jon

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:20 AM
Salute

The 109K4 was one of the fastest Prop Planes at HIGH altitude. At Sea level it was nothing special.

Maximum speed at altitude was 452 mph.

At Sea level it was rated at either 357 mph, or 362mph depending on the fuel used.

The fastest German prop plane at Sea level was the 190D9 with MW50, which topped out at 378 mph. It was slower than the 109K4 at higher altitudes, doing a maximum of 440 mph.

The La-7 was slightly faster at 380 mph, but was slower up high, topping out at either 410mph, or 422mph depending on the test report you read.

The fastest mass production fighter at Sea Level was the Hawker Tempest, which maxed out at 392 mph.

The current 109K4 in FB 1.0 is way too fast at sea level. It tops out at 393 mph. It is a litte too slow up at higher altitudes.

In the Beta 08 version, it seems to have been adjusted to correct speed at sea level and higher altitudes.

You will have to fly a 190D9 if you want a speedster on the German side. (or a jet)


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Message Edited on 08/11/0305:22AM by RAF74BuzzsawXO

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:22 AM
Can't speak for the final, but in 08 the planes were like this.

K4.....585 km/h at SL
Yak3...570 km/h
La7....600 km/h
Dora...590 km/h

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:24 AM
Salute Buzz

Then it looks like the Dora and La-7 are a little slow. The Yak-3 seems correct, and the K4 a little fast.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:32 AM
VOL one little note: All V-VS fighters, including La-7, will fall apart at speed beyond 690kph IAS. (edit) (Patch 08)

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Message Edited on 08/11/0306:40AM by KIMURA

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:33 AM
Pretty much Buzz.

btw..That was IAS.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:55 AM
KIMURA wrote:
- VOL one little note: All V-VS fighters, including
- La-7, will fall apart at speed beyond 690kph IAS.
- (edit) (Patch 08)

That's a great correction! early russian fighters like yak1 or laggs should desintegrate 100km/h earlier though.


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:01 AM
So, Lame-7 and Fw 190D-9 need some 10 kph on the deck, it seems...

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:51 AM
Salute Huckbein

The early Laggs and Yaks do fall apart a slower speeds.

In Patch 08, there was the anomaly that the 109s were as durable at holding together in a dive as a 190. Which is wrong. And the K4 is more durable than the G models. Which doesn't make sense since structurally there wasn't a lot of difference.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 08:26 AM
RAF74BuzzsawXO wrote:
- Salute Huckbein
-
- The early Laggs and Yaks do fall apart a slower
- speeds.
-
- In Patch 08, there was the anomaly that the 109s
- were as durable at holding together in a dive as a
- 190. Which is wrong. And the K4 is more durable
- than the G models. Which doesn't make sense since
- structurally there wasn't a lot of difference.


Depends on what speed are you talking about. Emils had a dive limit of 750kmh IAS whereas La7 of only 650kmh IAS!! Nothing matched Emils in dive at the beginning of the war. Also 109 suffered a further strenghtening once the G series was launched. Bf-109 was not the paper airplane advertised in FB, it was as strong as USAAF fighters (except P-47 of course). It's wings were very strong, only the skin was easy to deform, in order to save weight. American fighters had stronger aluminium skin on wings because wing guns were serviced by a man sitting on top of the wing (of course that brought a lot of unwanted weight).


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 09:49 AM
-American
- fighters had stronger aluminium skin on wings
- because wing guns were serviced by a man sitting on
- top of the wing (of course that brought a lot of
- unwanted weight).

Well, they were not supposed to fly with men sitting on the wings anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:01 AM
Salute

109's were not built anywhere near as strongly as most U.S. fighters.

Provide some proof that the wing spars were as numerous or heavy on the 109. Or that the fuselage was as durable.

The late 109's had a wooden tail, attached by a few bolts.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:51 AM
According to some sourves, Dornier DO 335 was the faster prop plane in ww2 time .. and it had 2 engines! One in the back and one in the front..interesting design..

I just hope they fix FW-190 Dora perfomance bugs.. because at the moment FW-190 D9-late is slower and less-agile with MW50, than FW-190 D9 Early without MW50..

P-47M was remarkably fast only at high altitudes..it could reach 507 mph at an altitude of 34,300 feet.. don't know how fast it was at sea level though.. not quite as fast.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:01 AM
The D-9 1944 is much lighter by some 150kg, that's why the earlier is more agile thatn the alter one./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 12:45 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- VOL one little note: All V-VS fighters, including
- La-7, will fall apart at speed beyond 690kph IAS.
- (edit) (Patch 08)

I tested the La7 a few weeks ago (ver 1), and it broke up in a dive at 830 Kph. I needed all 3 km of height to get it there too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 01:41 PM
Katr wait for the patch./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif With the Beta 08 the "diassembling" speed is redruced dramatically compared with the CD-version. IIRC at 630kphIAS a La-7 begins to shake violently, and the rudder is like cement. You have nearly no chance to follow a zoom out of a 190. The ailerons effects are also hard - roll rate......uhhmmm.....the 4 seasons are changing faster at those high speeds./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Also for the Yak-9. The La-5FN will turns tighter than the La-7, like it was in reality. IMHO Oleg did a good job on the FM, (related to Beta 08). IHMO I find it more changeling now to get some kills while flying VVS-a/c. And IMHO it's more realistic than the CD-vers. Now you have to think before engage an enemy, even if oyou're sitting in a La-7./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:29 PM
have only fly g14, so have no great problem with slower k4



Message Edited on 08/11/0304:46PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:33 PM
Going to be some interesting times post patch.

Me thinks there is a steep learning curve ahead whilst we acquaint ourselves with our new 'rides'.

Almost makes it pointless flying at the moment, if it weren't for the fun that would be missed.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:37 PM
slow speed dora with mw50 sealevel

eric brown test
a8 1750ps with bombrach reach 571km/h sealevel

but dora with 2250ps no bombrack and better aerodynamik

only 590km/h



a5 without bombrach is 10km/h faster as a8

that means 580km/h sealevel

dora with better aerodynamik,have not radial engine and 500ps more power,

is only 10km/h faster as a5 sealevel

seem little slow


Message Edited on 08/11/0305:15PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 03:01 PM
that funny plane, u call it, is capable to speed out every other fighter.
Jesterday my friend tried to follow me in a dive in a Yak3...well he reched the ground lots faster than me...^^

BTW: the acceleration of the D9 is verry good too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 03:28 PM
Skalgrim wrote:
- slow speed dora with mw50 sealevel
- eric brown test
- a8 1750ps with bombrach reach 571km/h sealevel
- but dora with 2250ps no bombrack and better
- aerodynamik
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- only 590km/h
- a5 without bombrach is 10km/h faster as a8
- that means 580km/h sealevel
- dora with better aerodynamik,have not radial engine
- and 500ps more power,
- is only 10km/h faster as a5 sealevel
- seem little slow

According to the Jagdhund site the Dora with MW50 should(if I read it correctly) be able to reach 612km/h without bombrack and full internal fuel and weapons.

http://jagdhund.homestead.com/files/DoraData/horizontalgeschwindigkeiten.htm

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