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MrMojok
11-17-2006, 07:15 PM
Just a reminder that the episode premiering tonight is about the AVG. 10pm ET.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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knightflyte
11-17-2006, 07:45 PM
15 minutes and counting. Thanks for the reminder.

Covino
11-17-2006, 08:27 PM
Watching now, thanks.

Tinpanzer87
11-17-2006, 08:29 PM
This is good can't wait for Ki-27 in SOM

Chuck_Older
11-17-2006, 08:32 PM
Stupid cable channel not coming in on the stupid TVhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Covino
11-17-2006, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Stupid cable channel not coming in on the stupid TVhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Been there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, Check here for rerun times:
http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=193872

too bad theyre so late at night though.

LEBillfish
11-17-2006, 09:04 PM
Didn't miss much.....Just P40's, B-24's vs. Ki-21/30/27/43's................

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Chuck_Older
11-17-2006, 09:09 PM
B-24s?? Sounds like 10th AF<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VMF-214_HaVoK
11-17-2006, 09:37 PM
Was finally getting some flying in when it was on I will catch it at 2am since its Friiiiiday! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slo_1_2_3
11-17-2006, 10:49 PM
I too missed it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I was at Wal*Mart. but on a better note I found a FW-190d-9 and aP-47d made by 21st century toys for 20 dollars on sale in a box together. Of course i begged 3 more dollars outa my mom as I was a bit short and got them I'm realy happy bout them there're 1:32nd scale very cool<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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knightflyte
11-17-2006, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Stupid cable channel not coming in on the stupid TVhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif



Dang, Chuck!!!!!

Of all people I thought you'd enjoy this the most. I hope you're able to catch it on rerun.

CzechTexan
11-18-2006, 08:20 AM
B-24 in China:
This History Channel show did a great job explaining the history of the Flying Tigers group. In particular was mentioning the B-24 Liberators of the 308th Bomb Group of the 14th Air Force (evolved from the AVG Flying Tigers) under the command of Claire Chennault. Yes, these bombers were the unsung heroes and overlooked brothers who fought side by side along with the fighters of the 23rd Fighter Group, 14th Air Force.

The Bomb Group's supplies had to be flown over the "Hump" mostly by the B-24s themselves. It took about four trips hauling supplies to be ready for one bombing mission.
"The 308th flew nearly 600 combat missions under conditions that would have been deemed impossible in Europe....it went into action almost immediately after its arrival in the theater in the spring of 1943. As Chennault's only heavy bomb group in the world. Their B-24s had been designed for high-level precision bombing and that's how the crews had been trained, but the 308th quickly created new tactics for the war against Japan's merchant marine and navy. The enemy recognized the threat of the 308th's presence and reacted strongly to it by reinforcing their aiir forces and making frequent raids on their airfields. Chennault's fighters responded in the usual superb defensive tactics he had imparted to the original Flying Tigers. Meanwhile, he sent the 308th's B-24 Liberators beyond the Japanese lines to hammer their air fields, storage depots, docks, and ships."
---taken from the forward of the book I just started reading a few days ago titled CHENNAULT'S FORGOTTEN WARRIORS, the Saga of the 308th Bomb Group in China by Carroll V. Glines.

I'm about halfway through the book and it is very good reading filled with lots of details and personal accounts of missions and much more telling the story of these forgotten battles. It is 330 pages and many photos including B-24s with the famous shark mouths and also a large nose art gallery of pics that some plane skinners might be interested in.

If you are intersted in the CBI Theater and the bomber side of the Flying Tigers then I highly recommend this book. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Also, I give praise to the History Channel for creating some good stuff for us and not turning in to a sci-fi channel. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BillyTheKid_22
11-18-2006, 10:01 AM
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TC_Stele
11-18-2006, 03:10 PM
I watched the program and found it very informative. There were two highly dangerous maneuvers I would never do in IL2/PF, though.

One was the head on Tex Hill did on the Oscar. I don't care how well armored the P-40 was against the Oscar's loadout, I would never do it in RL, let alone in IL2/PF. Then again I was never in a combat situation so I won't pretend like I would not do that for sure.

The other was the sliding with the rudder and throttling back to park behind the Japanese bomber. With the AI's deadly accuracy in this sim I probably would have been torn to shreds. The other is that I would rather pass the bombers and go for another pass while retaining my energy. That's just me, though.

I found it very informative and I've always enjoyed reading and hearing about the Flying Tigers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VF-17_BOOM
11-18-2006, 05:02 PM
Realy good program,that was the first I seen in the series,I had no idea that the AVG was fighting in China for that long a time!
The computer graphics were done well also,did they borrow that from a flight sim?
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dugong
11-18-2006, 05:54 PM
I was hoping they would talk about William FX Band.. . .

I was strolling past a bookstore at the mall about 10 years ago. I noticed some oldster (I use the term affectionately) with an old flying jacket and a scarf.I noticed some WWII squadron insignias. I immediately struck up a conversation with him. He was a Flying Tiger and had just written a book called Warriors Who Ride The Wind. I bought and he signed it. He was a very humble guy. I shook his hand and I gave him a very sincere thank you for his sacrifices.

I remember one part of the book that was funny but not related to flight combat at all. When he was a kid he enetered a slogan contest for a condensed milk company. He wrote the following:

"No cows to milk no hay to pitch, just punch a whole in the side of that son-of-a-b*tch" or something to that effect. The president of the company personally wrote him a candid letter stating his was by far the best entry but of course he could not select it to win.

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Chuck_Older
11-18-2006, 06:08 PM
William Band? dugong, send me a Personal Message http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
11-18-2006, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Stupid cable channel not coming in on the stupid TVhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif



Dang, Chuck!!!!!

Of all people I thought you'd enjoy this the most. I hope you're able to catch it on rerun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe. I have "Fei hu" on DVD, so I probably have the core of what they presented anyway, and I get to "talk" to Tigers online, so it's OK. Actually, I learned that a Tiger passed away just recently- Bob Layher, a flight leader from the 2nd PS, passed away on the 17th of November 2006. Godspeed on your flight Home, Robert Layher, a grateful nation remembers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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knightflyte
11-18-2006, 06:39 PM
They are passing on more and more frequently. Sadly...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

heywooood
11-18-2006, 06:59 PM
DVR is a wonderful thing - this is the second installment of 'Dogfights' and it was well done.


I wonder about the flight sim they used for much of the airial sequences...it was able to render exaust stack blueish flame very nicely from the P-40 stacks...unfortunately - the camo coloring was off...much too brown over tan instead of the 'spinach n' sand' they actually wore...someone blew chunks on that deal.

The combat history was factual though - but there was nothing new..AVG fans would not be disappointed but there were no revelations.

The flight sim they used had lots of nice little details though...the pilot animations were very detailed and not nearly as blocky as in FAP...

Chuck - it covers alot from a brief background on Chenault to the Vinegar Joe debacle through to the end of the war. So yeah the USAAF takeover is covered.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slo_1_2_3
11-18-2006, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by TC_Stele:
I

The other was the sliding with the rudder and throttling back to park behind the Japanese bomber. With the AI's deadly accuracy in this sim I probably would have been torn to shreds. The other is that I would rather pass the bombers and go for another pass while retaining my energy. That's just me, though.
Wasn't that at night when he climbed to attack them? so wouldn't that mean there wasn't any energy to zoom with?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
11-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
They are passing on more and more frequently. Sadly...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Well, none of us get out of this life alive, after all. I look forward to meeting my heroes when I go Home http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-18-2006, 07:38 PM
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Feathered_IV
11-18-2006, 08:33 PM
Fingers crossed that it turns up on YouTube one day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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R_Target
11-18-2006, 10:08 PM
I thought it may have been FS9 when I saw the original two hour episode, but the producers say that it's all original CGI. They also have an e-mail address on this page (http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/) where viewers can suggest dogfights they'd like to see.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
11-19-2006, 01:39 AM
you have seen this about an AVG game ?

http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/

but, IIRC , that AVG Tomahawks were flying beside RAF Spitfires , well, LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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TC_Stele
11-19-2006, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TC_Stele:
I

The other was the sliding with the rudder and throttling back to park behind the Japanese bomber. With the AI's deadly accuracy in this sim I probably would have been torn to shreds. The other is that I would rather pass the bombers and go for another pass while retaining my energy. That's just me, though.
Wasn't that at night when he climbed to attack them? so wouldn't that mean there wasn't any energy to zoom with? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I"ll have to watch that again. I think it was the night one, but I'll double check. Still, though, he did it to slide behind the other bomber with the throttle being cut. You're still losing any speed and energy you've tried to build up.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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