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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:08 AM
i flew my P-40 all day with dive speeds in excess of 725 unlimited times and never blew up or fried engine. whoever has a problem with this plane is just letting the engin over rev. it does not need fixing in the patch.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:08 AM
i flew my P-40 all day with dive speeds in excess of 725 unlimited times and never blew up or fried engine. whoever has a problem with this plane is just letting the engin over rev. it does not need fixing in the patch.

adlabs6
07-04-2003, 03:19 AM
Hmmm... I'll try that tonight on HL.

I did some tests back when this 'bug' came out, and mine blew up at 500mph every time. I didn't check the revs at the time of the blast, though I did save a track. If I still have it I'll check tonight.

When I played back my tracks at 1/4 speed, and paused repeatedly, very quickly, I found that my P40 broke apart in mid air during the dive. This is followed by the message "Fuel Tank on Fire", which appears only INSTANTS on the screen before the whole plane is in a million pieces. I made this screen of the instant before the blast ocurred.

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So I always figured the explosion was due to structural failure igniting the fuel tanks.

What you say is interesting though, so I'll try it again.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:25 AM
yea its not a bug....try dropping prop to 45 ...you can hit 750 in a dive in P-40

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:04 AM
It will happen in level flight too. Reddeth is right - keep the motor at the right revs and it wont go boom as easily. Keep the revs too high and KABLOOEY! Ironically, the P-39 does not suffer from the same problem however - even at the highest RPMs. Notably, when you begin to approach the explosive bug in level flight, the P-40 begins to wobble a lot before exploding. If its strictly a engine quirk, then why is the P-39 unaffected and the P-40 wobbles when nearing the 500kmh range?

Going to do some tests with it now...

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:21 AM
The problem has nothing to do with over reving, it is dive angle. If you point the nose straight down you will not explode till you go over 800km/h IAS. But in a very shallow dive you will wobble violently and then explode at about 550km/h IAS everytime. Try it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:25 AM
Can you explain why it explodes at 550 with the engine off then? definate bug. I tried it with 0 prop pitch same deal 550 600 and boom, i have managers to get to 700 once something screwed with it and they are fixing it

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:31 AM
Wrong, Everclear-breath. It is NOT caused by overrevving. If you had been reading the many threads on this subject, you would know that people have gotten the explosion even with the engine shut OFF.

I personally have never had the plane explode at any speed, and I did try to reproduce the effect; all I ever got was a period of extreme buffeting, and I thought that was the signal it was going to blow, but it didn't.

(The MiG-3 in Il-2 did this; at certain extreme dive speeds it would start violently yawing and fishtailing and then it would explode. I thought the P-40 might be like that. But it's not.)

And I tried running the engine full-out in a dive, deliberately trying to overrev it, and it didn't do a damn thing.

But other people HAVE experienced it, including people whom I have always found to be trustworthy. And they have reported getting the explosion under various conditions; some get it at different speeds, some at different rpm - and many people say they get it only some of the time.

In other words, what you have here is what technical people in all fields dread most: an intermittent malfunction.

An intermittent bug is the worst kind to try to fix, because it's so hard to reproduce it and therefore to find out what's causing it. You think you've got it fixed and then it does it again.

Because so many different people have gotten such different results, I have to believe that this bug is in some way affected by the computer setup or the hardware settings or something like that.

But you shouldn't say that just because you don't get it, it doesn't exist. I don't seem to get it either, but too many reliable people have reported it - under conditions in which overrevving had to be ruled out - for this to be imaginary. I'm not going to accuse those people of lying, or incompetence, just because my mileage varies.

There's nothing all that unusual about a bug that only happens to some people with some setups. I never could get the track saver to work with Il-2, but most other people did. Some people can minimize the game to desktop and then bring it back up again; others of us get CTD if we try. It's always going to be like that. There are just too many variables.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:39 AM
It is a bug.... I thought the same thing...I figured by using pitch and watching my revs I could control it.... It worked for a wile but every so often it will still explode...in level flight...

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:57 AM
When I was running my dive tests, I tried to replicate the P-40 explosion bug, with a variety of dive angles, speeds, and prop pitches. None of them worked, even with the engine running *very* far in the red zone.

Then, after one of these tests, I was playing aorund with the plane, and trying out shallow pursuit dives. One one of them when I hit 600kph, the plane started to shake violently and exploded. I've never been able to get it to do that again.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:05 AM
9 times out of 10 the P40 in my game blows up at 500 ... or 505 or 510 or 495 or 490 ... go figure


i notice other differences like a squadmate ( from Germany ... i.e. he has a german brought copy of FB ) will suffer engine failure in the K4 waaaay Before i do & we treat it EXACTLY the same ... go figure

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:12 AM
Please download this track file and see for yourself.


http://www.templeofthegoddess.com/files/hoss/p40explosion.zip

engine off, prop pitch set to 0%
as you can see it goes faster then the explosion bug if you go past a certain speed with enough momentum. but will explode if you go threw that zone at a slow enough speed. Once the planes starts to shake, just pull up alittle or dive a bit more usually gets it past the explosion most of the time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:22 AM
It hasn't happened to me either.

But that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

If the explosions happen in the manner that they've been described to me, then it is a bug! \

No warning? No overheating. Just B O O M!

Does that sound right from a fighter than was known for its reliability and durability?

C'mon, other than those 2 attributes, the P-40 was only known for the cool shark mouth painted on it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:02 AM
everyone in my squad has it blow up on them around 500

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:04 AM
Should any plane just explode when it reaches a certain speed? Wouldn't pieces fall off and the thing just lawn dart, in RL, I mean?

I've had this happen in a Hurri IIc several times. If you dive too fast in it, you can explode at about 640kph. Did this happen in RL? That WWII prop planes exploded from high speeds?

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:05 AM
My undamaged P-40 blew up twice during campaign when AP was engaged for a long time!

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:09 AM
It is a bug. Oleg said it was a bug, and Oleg said it was fixed in the patch. End of story!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:18 AM
I blew up at a really fast speed diving in my P-40 once too!

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:21 AM
Ok ... I fly the Warhawk often, almost everytime I play fb.

RedDeth, I think the reason yur P-40 didn't explode is because u are not flying with full realism.
specifically the CEM feature.

Switch on the CEM feat. and try to dive again.
And u will explode once u exceeded speed 550.

And I know adjusting the flaps and everything can control the plane. I have tried it and it isn't doing anything much.

So ... juz wait for the patch.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
07-04-2003, 06:37 AM
In full real and a simple QMB-Mission, you'll die, if you get past a certain speed. It differs however from machine to machine. With E-Version you can fly around 600kph, sometimes it begins shaking (even when a lot slower) sometimes it explodes without warning.

The M-Versions just explodes when it get's past 500-550 kph. No warning, no shaking, no over-revs, it just explodes.


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:20 AM
Red Death, you are simply wrong on this one. Spontaneous Curtiss Combustion is a great big fat BUG.
Inconsistent? Yes
Non-existant? No.
It needs patching, and it has been patched, according to leaked info.
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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:16 AM
Cpt.LoneRanger wrote:
- In full real and a simple QMB-Mission, you'll die,

I've never been able to get it to blow up in a
QMB short of ridiculous speeds (over 900kph - all
the Russian aircraft lose wings before then so blowing
up at 925kph seems relatively fair).

But if I fly the ice road mission in the FMB - bang.

I think pushing negative Gs to keep it in a dive
is part of what causes it to explode.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:18 AM
I noticed, on my installation, that the explosion takes place only in winter maps, not summer ones.

On a winter map, the explosion is systematic at about 500-550 km/h. On a summer one, all other things being constant, i can fly at any speed to about 750 km/h.

So for all who say that there's no bug, only one question : did you try to fly the P-40 during winter, especially during a campaign game ?

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:02 AM
adlabs6 wrote:
- Hmmm... I'll try that tonight on HL.
-
- I did some tests back when this 'bug' came out, and
- mine blew up at 500mph every time. I didn't check
- the revs at the time of the blast, though I did save
- a track. If I still have it I'll check tonight.
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michapma
07-04-2003, 10:11 AM
I find it interesting that people are trying to say that it isn't a bug when Oleg has said it is. It's in the code. That's not to say that there shouldn't be aircraft damage though...

If there's one thing I'd like to see modeled better, it would be the damage from over-revving. Of course, I don't know whether the over-revving is realistic as is, but I think so. I'd also like to see (hear?) more kinds of noise coming from the engine depending on stresses, this was a major feedback for the pilot and as important as any gauge. But it's just this idea I have.

I've made this point before when the P-40 bug was being discussed so much, and it's worth making again. Just so people will take note, I'm going to take advantage of hyper-text markup: <font size="+1">When in a dive in an aircraft with a constant-speed propeller (such as the P-40), the only physical possibility to prevent the engine from over-revving is to reduce the throttle, and not the prop-pitch/rpm control.</font> I actually made this mistake too, and got called on it. I wanted to test it to see how if it's modeled correctly but never got around to it.

The reason is that the rpm governer of a constant-speed prop will try to keep the rpm constant. If before your dive you have it set to red-line (100%) and you enter the dive, the governer will coarsen the pitch as you pick up speed and windmilling wants to increase rpm. However, if the speed increases very far, the governer will bring the prop to its mechanical stops for the coarsest position. Further increases of speed will simply windmill the prop faster and faster unless you reduce throttle. Setting the prop-pitch control mechanism (rpm governer) to a lower position (such as 50% in FB) shouldn't do a thing for you once the engine is overspeeding in a dive.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:22 AM
"RedDeth, I think the reason yur P-40 didn't explode is because u are not flying with full realism.
specifically the CEM feature"....LOOOOL!!.....warhawk 530 EVERYONE USES CEM ....duh !.... and for those that say the p40 blows up no matter what, your high. our team has tested it and yes if i dive at 100 prop pitch my p40 blows up EVERY TIME at 500 plus....if i drop prop pitch to 45 nothing happens.IF YOU SHUT OFF ENGINE MAKE SURE YOU SET PROP PITCH AT 45 then it wont explode....for those of you who say its a bug or its dive angle...FLY THE PLANE online for a few hours. then come back and apologize for your ignorance. oleg said the spontaneous explosion part is a bug...not the engine malfunction part...dive a real p40 at max revs at high speed and youll cook the engine. oh and like i said above...BEFORE responding to this do as i say. THEN you can post.i blew up every p40 i flew till i started using the prop pitch CORRECTLY. i try to give advice and no one trys it they just talk talk talk.... p.s. icolin the map doesnt matter at all......pps mulla i never said it doesnt happen to me...lol start reading before you start typing...were not saying it doesnt happen to us only others....



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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:30 AM
It's about G's. Be anywhere near 0 G when closing in on the magic speed and you'll blow up. Try it, when you pull sufficient positive G you will not explode. Needless to say it's a bug, and a weird one.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:31 AM
lol everyone has their theory...try this...dive at 100 prop pitch and wait for the boom....lol

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07-04-2003, 11:32 AM
Its just a bug, stop going on about it!

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michapma
07-04-2003, 11:45 AM
RedDeth, what do you think about my post? It's apparent from your post the way it seems to work in the game, but it doesn't work that way in RL.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:04 PM
we arnt stupid you know. your not the only one who understands cem and how it works. and as for "taking it online for a few hours and then coming back to apoligise" ive taken it online almost every day since fb came out. there are games online i can get 700 with prop pitch at 100% throttle 100% rpm way past redline and not only does it not explode but it doesnt overheat. however if i reboot that same day and join the same game and try it again i go off at 500. no matter what the rpm is set at and no matter what the throttle is set at. so how about you apoligise for insulting our inteligence.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 01:45 PM
I can get the P-40 to go kaboom at 520ish everytime I fly online if I let it. Makes no odds if your engine is running or not. The only way I know of nipping the impending disaster in the bud is make sure you are applying positive g when you are at the critical airspeed, then make sure you bleed some speed (thnx sw33p). It's a bug, but you can fly around it 95% of the time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:19 PM
RedDeath wrote:
- LOOOOL!!.....warhawk 530 EVERYONE USES
- CEM ....duh !....

Over 1/4 of the DF servers at any time have CEM turned off, this is a granddaddy of assumptions pulled from your own a$$.

RedDeath wrote:
- and for those that say the p40 blows up no matter what,
- your high. our team has tested it and yes if i dive at
- 100 prop pitch my p40 blows up EVERY TIME at 500
- plus....if i drop prop pitch to 45 nothing happens.

It has nothing to do with prop pitch or RPMs, it has everything to do with the G load, positive Gs will let you get thru the magic number without an explosion.

Second thing, the P-40 has a CONSTANT SPEED PROP. Not a variable pitch prop, Setting a lower RPM value thru pitch % will not prevent the engine from overspeeding the governer will simply thru the blades to max pitch against the stops, same thing it would do at 100% if you were over the 100% rpm limit for the governer.

RPM governers on CSP work on a basic idea, over set rpm = coarsen pitch, under set rpm = fine pitch once it hits the physical stops in either direction thats the best it can do. Its just the same as a variable pitch prop when at the max courseness you've got to reduce throttle to lower RPMs at that point.

But as how your the one that started the P-47 kills Tiger tanks with .50s thread your poor understanding of mechanics and physics is already blatant.

RedDeath wrote:
- IF YOU SHUT OFF ENGINE
- MAKE SURE YOU SET PROP PITCH AT 45 then it wont
- explode....for those of you who say its a bug or its
- dive angle...FLY THE PLANE online for a few hours.
- then come back and apologize for your ignorance.

I fly it often online and I blow up often online if I'm at 0 G or negative and hit the magic number, engine off or on, rpm setting doesn't matter.

- oleg said the spontaneous explosion part is a
- bug...not the engine malfunction part...dive a real
- p40 at max revs at high speed and youll cook the
- engine.

Overspeed a allison V-12 too much and sure you'll seize the pistons and throw the rods, maybe even blow the heads off. But explode in a fireball with total airframe destruction not in your life. Again learn how mechanics work and engines function and fail before you make assumptions all you'd end up with in that scenario is a dead engine and a oil/coolant stream.

RedDeath wrote:
- oh and like i said above...BEFORE responding
- to this do as i say. THEN you can post.i blew up
- every p40 i flew till i started using the prop pitch
- CORRECTLY. i try to give advice and no one trys it
- they just talk talk talk.... p.s. icolin the map
- doesnt matter at all......pps mulla i never said it
- doesnt happen to me...lol start reading before you
- start typing...were not saying it doesnt happen to
- us only others....

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:24 PM
RedDeth wrote:
- "RedDeth, I think the reason yur P-40 didn't explode
- is because u are not flying with full realism.
- specifically the CEM
- feature"....LOOOOL!!.....warhawk 530 EVERYONE USES
- CEM ....duh !.... and for those that say the p40
- blows up no matter what, your high. our team has
- tested it and yes if i dive at 100 prop pitch my p40
- blows up EVERY TIME at 500 plus....if i drop prop
- pitch to 45 nothing happens.IF YOU SHUT OFF ENGINE
- MAKE SURE YOU SET PROP PITCH AT 45 then it wont
- explode....for those of you who say its a bug or its
- dive angle...FLY THE PLANE online for a few hours.
- then come back and apologize for your ignorance.
- oleg said the spontaneous explosion part is a
- bug...not the engine malfunction part...dive a real
- p40 at max revs at high speed and youll cook the
- engine. oh and like i said above...BEFORE responding
- to this do as i say. THEN you can post.i blew up
- every p40 i flew till i started using the prop pitch
- CORRECTLY. i try to give advice and no one trys it
- they just talk talk talk.... p.s. icolin the map
- doesnt matter at all......pps mulla i never said it
- doesnt happen to me...lol start reading before you
- start typing...were not saying it doesnt happen to
- us only others....



How bout you download the track file I have posted and watch. Then come back with your attitude and tell me that it isn't a freakin bug. It's a big woppin 1.76kb if you are worried about a long download.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:30 PM
time for a reality check cragger and company. IM NOT TALKING ABOUT REAL LIFE. im telling you how to avoid blowing up your plane in a dive. and all that constant prop stuff is wrong. it does matter if you lower the prop percentage from 100 to 45, try it. i tried the positive G trick in a dive and when i went over 500 i blew up in positive Gs.i did it again at low prop pitch and was ok...hey if you dont agree and want to argue and say god ive been flying for years...fine go ahead. then do that leetle experiment . you dont even need to come back and post. i know you wont http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:17 PM
I see you still haven't downloaded the track. Afraid it will prove you wrong?


http://www.templeofthegoddess.com/files/hoss/p40explosion.zip


Just in case you missed it the first time.

Message Edited on 07/04/0308:19PM by Wuzzums

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:27 PM
i guess hed like to think he is the first person to think of something as simple as pulling back the prop pitch

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:49 PM
Fuel load will also effect the dive bug. The plane is less likely to explode if you carry more fuel, but usually it just increases the explosion speed a little. The P40 as currently modeled is hosed, pure and simple.

Now move along like good little gentlemen.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 01:32 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:58 AM
Considering how your ignoring Wuzzum's track because you know you'll be wrong there is no need to post the tracks I have of P-40s exploding from

1. 110% power 100% rpm setting
2. 0% power 100% rpm setting
3. 0% power 45% rpm setting
4. 110% power 45% rpm setting
5 0% power 0% rpm setting
6. Engine off 45% rpm setting
7. Engine off 0% rpm setting
8. Countless tracks of doing a gentle turn in a dive and reaching breakup speed of 800+

RedDeath wrote:
- oleg said the spontaneous explosion part is a
- bug...not the engine malfunction part...dive a real
- p40 at max revs at high speed and youll cook the
- engine.

Sound like talking about Real Life to me, quit double talking your own words your worse than a crooked politician.

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About after 30 minutes I puked all over my airplane. I said to myself "Man, you made a big mistake." -Charles 'Chuck' Yeager, regards his first flight

Message Edited on 07/04/0310:01PM by Cragger

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 04:17 AM
TAKEN totally out of context cragger. good job. your fired.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 05:38 AM
two people blew up in air racing tonight because of it. the bug is there. many people have had this happen. just because you havent found it doesnt mean it isnt there

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:21 PM
have you even seen that P40 track posted RED DEATH ???

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 05:20 PM
I'll say it again: It's about Gs. Someone told me that once and it seems to be true. This can also be an explanation for why people have so different experiences, sometimes blowing up, sometimes not. When you are close to 0 G, which is the common thing for a dive, you will explode.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:31 PM
You were lucky. The thing explodes, period.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:45 PM
just keep prop pitch below 40 and no matter what angle your at you dont have to worry about it.... yo wont explode i do it everynight..... no problems...

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:16 PM
Again, some of us have done extensive testing of this. Watch the posted track and you'll see.

The factors that contribute to the magic kabloome are:

1. G load
2. Fuel load
3. Ammo load (I.E. have the guns been fired)

It has nothing to do with the engine. engine on or off. Rpm setting 0, 20, 40 , 100 and kaboom as well.

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About after 30 minutes I puked all over my airplane. I said to myself "Man, you made a big mistake." -Charles 'Chuck' Yeager, regards his first flight

michapma
07-07-2003, 10:21 AM
If the explosions are affected by the rpm controls (prop-pitch), they shouldn't be since this control doesn't affect engine overspeeding as has been explained. By this I mean it is a programming error. The throttle setting does affect engine overspeeding.

However, it is being claimed/confirmed (I haven't made time to verify tracks) that it is independent of the engine.

In any case, it is clearly a programming error/bug.

What for me is unacceptable is the explosion that completely disintegrates the entire aircraft. This could only come from an exploding fuel tank or payload, which as far as I know or can reason is historically a non-issue. As Cragger pointed out, if the engine detonates due to overspeeding, you should at worst get a useless engine and oil everywhere. I would like to see this implemented.

Another issue I have with the engine modeling is that I can keep the throttle fully open and pull the rpm control all the way back without damaging the engine. Keeping a high manifold pressure and reducing rpms too far leads to detonation as well as overspeeding. I guess it's a less practical issue, though.

Cheers,
Mike

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