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Sillius_Sodus
05-01-2010, 07:51 PM
Hello,

I'm trying to come up with an appropriate LW plane set for the Eastern front in '44 and was wondering if late model 109's, i.e. anything later than the 'vanilla' G6 were present at that time. I imagine a few were around by the time the front line had moved to East Prussia but I'm looking for information on, say, 109's utilized during the summer of '44.

Same question for the 190 Dora series.

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jumoschwanz
05-01-2010, 10:31 PM
Didn't you ever read Hartmann's The Blonde Knight of Germany or Stuka Pilot by Ulrich Rudel?

I know that in Hartmann's book he talks about the 109Gs that do, and the one's that do not have some form of WEP, and he flew them both.

Also, Ulrich Rudel's unit had FW190s, including Dora's. In fact when Rudel surrendered he did it in a Dora which he purposely landed wheels up to ruin it...

JtD
05-01-2010, 10:52 PM
In the summer of 44 it was G-6 all the way. 190 anything up to A-8.

Would be good to know which part of the front you'd like to focus on, north, mid or south.

JG53Frankyboy
05-01-2010, 11:27 PM
not to forgett the Fw190F-8 & F-3 (aka A-5 1,65ata /U3&17).
as the main Fw users at the easternfront in summer 44 were the Schlachtgruppen.
IIRC only 2 groups of JG54 and some few units of JG5 (<-if at all?!) flew the Fw190 still as fighters.

Sillius_Sodus
05-02-2010, 12:17 AM
Thanks for the replies gents, I did read Hartmann's and Rudel's books, and know that Hartmann flew the G6 and that Doras were flying against the Russians as they approached Berlin.

Right now I'm focusing on the southern part of the Eastern front up to the autumn of '44 but would also like to know what flew in the other sectors.

Thanks again.

JtD
05-02-2010, 01:36 AM
A quick browse says than on June 1st, 1944,

JG51 (Middle) had 176 fighters, 176 of which were Bf 109 G-6
JG52 (South) had 76 fighters, 76 of which were Bf 109 G-6
JG54 (North) had 154 fighters, 154 of which were Fw 190, from A-3 to A-8.

That's certainly not complete, but it gives you a good idea.

Sillius_Sodus
05-02-2010, 08:47 PM
Thank you very much JtD, that information is very useful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

yuuppers
05-02-2010, 09:15 PM
There is a very nice site that list units, their a/c and their bases > http://www.ww2.dk/

Kettenhunde
05-02-2010, 09:41 PM
not to forgett the Fw190F-8 & F-3 (aka A-5 1,65ata /U3&17).
as the main Fw users at the easternfront in summer 44 were the Schlachtgruppen.
IIRC only 2 groups of JG54 and some few units of JG5 (<-if at all?!) flew the Fw190 still as fighters.

That is correct. Fighter variants were uncommon compared to the numbers of ground attack variants.

yuuppers
05-03-2010, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Sillius_Sodus:
Right now I'm focusing on the southern part of the Eastern front up to the autumn of '44 but would also like to know what flew in the other sectors.

Thanks again.

Luftflotte areas of operations

1944

Luftflotte 1 - Baltic
Luftflotte 2 - Northern Italy
Luftflotte 3 - France, Belgium and Holland
Luftflotte 4 - Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania and Bulgaria
Luftflotte 5 - Norway and Finland
Luftflotte 6 - Central front east
Luftflotte Reich - Germany

For a/c in Luftwaffe 4, http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/LWOB.html#Jagdwaffe

VW-IceFire
05-03-2010, 04:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there some G-14s or G-10s on the front lines later in 1944?

yuuppers
05-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't there some G-14s or G-10s on the front lines later in 1944?

G-14s were coming off the lines in Aug 1944. The K-4s introduction was slightly ahead of the G-10s. In Oct 1944, there was 293 K-4s to the 52 G-10s produced. In fact, G-10 production didn't really start rolling of the lines til Nov.

According to the .dk site G-14s did arrive at the front til Oct 1944.

All are a bit late for the OP's scenario.

csThor
05-03-2010, 09:48 PM
Several JG52 veterans mention the emergence of the first G-14s in very late autumn 1944 in Hungary. Only in 1945 these types succeeded the G-6 in that area in any numbers worth mentioning. The K-4 remained very rare with only a handful (literally) delivered near the end of the war.