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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:36 AM
I'm getting really fed up of all the damn whining about what wrong and which aircraft doesn't have the right speed here or dont roll like the real one does there..!! Dammit why cant you people just accept the fact that Oleg and his team (including all other sim devolpers) have worked thier arses off to give us a wonderful "representation" of the WW2 enviroment that we all have no experience of..? why ? just play the damn sim and enjoy it.. or you get off you silly butts and make a better sim think you can do it ?? no i dont think so.... is virtually impossible to build a simulator that will give us anything exactly like the the real world.. not in a million years..!! so bloody what if a 190 flies 30kmh slower than the real thing ?? who has ever flown one in the stress enviroment that all the WW2 participants did ?? who gives a damn if the P47 doesnt roll 5 secs quicker like the real one did ?? and why dont the huriicane have full working flaps ?? why cant the I-16 get nailed so easily..?? who cares. ? so what ??? it's just a sim.. A billion Kudos to those who have attemted to reproduce WW2 or any enviroment into our screens !! Damn good work.. before you whine about something not being right or to your liking.. just stop and think of the guys that have made this for us..!!

I'm tired of the whining.. write something productive for a change!!

ps incase you're wondering who I am.. dont wonder.. i'm just not a whiner..

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:36 AM
I'm getting really fed up of all the damn whining about what wrong and which aircraft doesn't have the right speed here or dont roll like the real one does there..!! Dammit why cant you people just accept the fact that Oleg and his team (including all other sim devolpers) have worked thier arses off to give us a wonderful "representation" of the WW2 enviroment that we all have no experience of..? why ? just play the damn sim and enjoy it.. or you get off you silly butts and make a better sim think you can do it ?? no i dont think so.... is virtually impossible to build a simulator that will give us anything exactly like the the real world.. not in a million years..!! so bloody what if a 190 flies 30kmh slower than the real thing ?? who has ever flown one in the stress enviroment that all the WW2 participants did ?? who gives a damn if the P47 doesnt roll 5 secs quicker like the real one did ?? and why dont the huriicane have full working flaps ?? why cant the I-16 get nailed so easily..?? who cares. ? so what ??? it's just a sim.. A billion Kudos to those who have attemted to reproduce WW2 or any enviroment into our screens !! Damn good work.. before you whine about something not being right or to your liking.. just stop and think of the guys that have made this for us..!!

I'm tired of the whining.. write something productive for a change!!

ps incase you're wondering who I am.. dont wonder.. i'm just not a whiner..

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 11:45 AM
whining = truthful on here.


whining about whining, now thats sad


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 12:21 PM
How old are u Leadsplitter ?? is that all you can say ??

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:24 PM
Crazy indeed. If I want BS I can always buy Micro$oft. Oh, wait, even if I don't I still can get a weirdly tilted playing field just in another direction and a newer more detailed kind of weird.

Sorry pal, but some of us were under the impression back since 2001 that this new sim was heavily into realism. I guess you are not one of us. And maybe you don't fly online ever either, certainly not in a historic based competition.

Now I don't give a hoot if the planes are 5% off here and there but I do care ofr things farther off than 25% that can be fixed and aren't.

BTW, I am 47 years old and don't much care wasting my time and money on Arcade Games. How about you? Huh?


Neal

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:31 PM
I do give a hoot about sims being as accurate as possible.. dont get me wrong.. its the whining about the 2% inaccuracy that annoys me.. I do play Online in Full Real..an yes i am "one of you" been flying online longer than i can remember.. so i hope that wasnt an insult..

I wanst comparing this sim to any other MS stuff dont even come close the subject

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 03:13 PM
Crazy go and post your "its only a sim" under your real acount name you whiner.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 03:21 PM
Leadspitter has a point ...

of the tens of thousands who have FB ...

and the hundreds who use these forums ...

the whining is relatively small.

and most of it is arguably NOT whining ...

If you're truly mature ...

all grown-up-like ...

you will understand that and not get so upset.

Relax and enjoy the forums and the game everyone.


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 03:23 PM
Pippig.. why dont u go jump in a lake.. this is exactly what i mean .. an arshole always shows up damn git ! ?

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 04:09 PM
RE: Its only a Sim !!!

You should have said...its just a GAME.

Once you claim its a SIM and according to the developer a highly accurate one, than you stand open to legitimate criticism when its due,

SIM vs GAME

Actually its both, so that's what makes it so hard.

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'95-02 - WB Jagdgeschwader 53
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The rest is history...

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:25 PM
I'm 27, and by seeing what you wrote.

"I do give a hoot about sims being as accurate as possible.. "

Seems your just another one who just wants an arcade sim, even the game designers are trying for the most realism they can achieve.

cfs2 and 3 are ok if you like arcadish flight. take care.


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 07:58 PM
So Leadsplitter.. how does it feel to get nailed by someone you thought was an amature ? think again..

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 08:19 PM
alright,whinning about whinning.some have real arguments and facts,think of it as trying to make this sim better.
and besides if you don t post under your own name who s going to take you serious?also its been posted above"if you
don t want realism,go play something else".

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 08:40 PM
Why the HELL should I Post with my real name ??? Is it so important that i write my real name here.. I dont see any of you doing that either.. and if you suppose I'm a fake.. do some research.. goddammit !!

If you people cant seem to understand my post.. then dont bloody write any comments..!

Jeeze.. whats the point..?

As for Whinning.. I'm not whining.. I'm having a go at the losers that whine about the SIM not being "perfect" so fly one of those aircraft first, then try to develop a realistic as possible sim before you start complaining about this and that being wrong !! and dont give me the crap about "the numbers aint right"..

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 02:21 AM
EAF331_Crazy, don`t listen to those guys who can`t handle the truth. You are absolutely right!
I`ve flown alongside you many times. Crazy`s a damn good flyer (like the rest of EAF) and he takes his sims seriously too.
Oh, and DON`T post you`re real name. That would be dumb.


"Tis better to work towards an Impossible Good, rather than a Possible Evil."

SeaFireLIV.
(Spitfire & Escape Whiner Member).


Message Edited on 09/14/0301:24AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 05:39 AM
Crazy, it would seem you want to critisize without being critisized. If you can't take the response, don't post. I post under the name I play the game under. But then, I am not afraid to speak my mind to someone's face, much less on a message board.
Grow up. Your age has nothing to do with being grown up by the way. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

WYS
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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 05:48 AM
it's more than a sim, it's a lifestyle

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 06:38 AM
the only time i remember flying with you eaf crazy was when there was 7 of you in g2s and when i came into the game was in the middle of a vulch attack, me and 609 recon were able to take off and shoot you all down 2 vs 7 then we vulched you guys for a little.

I remember fighting with you a couple times online after you vulched us pretty bad but we got you back and you were pretty good in the g2 in 1.1b with us in p40m's

I left a couple minutes after recon didnt respawn.

Do you remember me saying S` good practice 7 vs 1 i always managed to get at least 2 of you before getting shot down, then I asked if some eaf to come red and no one did so i left. Only time i seen you guys but you were all pretty descent

hopefully see you flying in the greatergreen soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 11:34 AM
hmm LeadSplitter.. the only time I've ever flown a G2 was yesteday in a DF, with one other EAF pilot..I usually fly the I-16..I'm a RED http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif you were on his six when I nailed you and u were toast.. i didn't get shot down then.. so it must have been another guy u talking about..maybe I'll bump into u someday, never been on that server..

and SeaFireLIV.. thx for your view and understanding.. finally one who understood what i was saying http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

anyhow its being talked to death.. so i quit..

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 12:04 PM
S! all

Thats a bit boring... Other people als criticize "whining". The only problem is that this forum is made for that! You can like it or not, but there are many problems in this SIM. And I mostly dont mind about complete accurateness on historical test datas, but RELATIVE accuratness between enemy planes of the same era. And yes, you can find early Lagg, Hurri w/o overheat, Ratas and others almost not loosing speed on turns, 109 overheating way too fast, and achieving about 50kmh less if auto prop pitch and auto rad is used while VVS CEM seems to be very easy and fast, and so on...

You can say its a game, enjoy it, and/or buy CFS, build your sim and stuff like that. The thing is that Oleg and team dont propese their sim like just a sim, but a highly accurate and historically correct game. And it is not far from that. Thats why all of the "whiners" are not just saying all the day long "oh, what a wonderfull game" (which is), but pointing out all what is wrong, or presumably wrong on the sim. I would say if you are tired of "whining" why do u need to read these forums?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW did u play the good ol' EAW? There wasnt stuff like, Spit dont overheat, Emil could outclimb Spit1, and so on. There wasnt historically uncorrect things though it was a much less complex sim in every aspect. I would not return to EAW but Id like to see FB as accurate as possible.


Salute to u and to EAF,
a former EAF pilot,
Mahgar

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:04 PM
srry,crazy my mistake.i didn t mean your real name,just
sometimes people make up a new name just to post once,
something others might find inflammatory,or to stir things up.i was trying to use a bit of humour(whining about whining).
i myself just hope to make the game better,i rarely post
here,but after the latest patch i ve felt the need.so again srry for the misunderstanding,S!

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:17 PM
Np Mate.. I fully understand and accept your apology http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was just airing my views.. but as usual some cant take the heat..http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 09:19 AM
i didnt even play the day your talking about so who knows im sure will will find each other online.


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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 12:49 PM
It' a sim... it's a game... I don't care so much, I enjoy a lot "playing" with it. I think attention can be directed to other aspect of the program, like new planes and maps.

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 03:33 PM
I too, was baffled by the complaints about FM's, DM's, visibility, color of the skins, color of the pilots . . . etc . . . So, my first post sounded alot like yours. After a while I began to realize that there is actually a point to the CONSTRUCTIVE critiques. Now, there was a thread that had a post that actually said to the lead developer "You is scum . . ." When the name calling starts, it makes me want to do more than whine about whining . . . it makes me pretty darn angry. Accusations of patriotic bias (and many nations represented by this game have been accused of being the favorite before), accusations of quality being abandoned for the sake of selling to new users, things like that . . . that's what I can't take very much of.



As long as people are polite when they make their point, I listen (not that my opinion matters that much), and I am sure that Oleg, and 1C are more apt to listen as well. Something that I have noticed about Oleg: If you have been downright rude to him, it takes more than a little apology to get yourself back on his good side. Therefore, all the rude rants only serve to defeat their own purpose.



So, my point? Oleg wants to hear about the data that we uncover, or there wouldn't be an Oleg's Ready Room forum. There's nothing wrong with reporting a problem with your favorite plane, as long as there is data to back it up . . . but you damn well better be polite to the developer, or (Tsisqua makes gesture by drawing index finger across throat . . .)


So, I agree to a point with what you say, and totally understand how it makes you feel. I have very few, if any, real complaints about this awesome game/sim. But I have indeed noticed that my game has gotten better since the original IL2 Surmovik, largely due to the constructive observations of the members of this community, even the ones that I do not always agree with because it seems they are just whining.


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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:08 PM
How does this sim improve without opinions?

Opinions take the place of facts, charts data experiences and most of these when displayed come across as whining. Some of it is in fact Whining I am sure, but then again who are you to tell me what do to lol.

I live my life and will whine if I want to /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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