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Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2009, 03:08 PM
http://community.discovery.com...919888/m/71819618201 (http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9551919888/m/71819618201)

You never know. If we all make it popular enough they may test it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Choctaw111
09-24-2009, 03:27 PM
This is not the first time I have heard such a thing.
Could the Mythbusters really try this? Maybe.
If so, I wonder how true to life they could make the experiment.

stalkervision
09-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Oh I tried to get them to test it waldow but got no response. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2009, 03:47 PM
If so, I wonder how true to life they could make the experiment.

Probably not very. But I didn't want to be a pr!ck about it on their site. Here I can be myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DKoor
09-24-2009, 04:04 PM
Haha interesting... they should at least try to shoot from very close range because otherwise they will only scratch the paint.
And yes convergence, oh the convergence... they need to hit in the point http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif .

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Joke aside, I think they would be surprised to see just how iconic this issue gets here on these boards... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2009, 04:07 PM
I think they have to test the penetrative ability of a round post bounce. BUSTED.

TS_Sancho
09-24-2009, 04:17 PM
You seem to be getting a better reception than the last time the 50cal/Tiger question got posted over there.

general_kalle
09-24-2009, 04:23 PM
well in theory the bullets does bounce and the tank is weeker armed underneath but how much of the energy is lost when the bullets hit the ground and ricochet?
probably enough to bust the theory

Wildnoob
09-24-2009, 04:27 PM
ah, maybe they could make a exception and also test the IL2 porked .50 cals effectiveness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

PS: that's a joke.

TS_Sancho
09-24-2009, 04:30 PM
If it bounces off the ground the round is certainley going to bounce off the inch of plate steel on the underside of the tank after bouncing off the ground.

Romanator21
09-24-2009, 04:35 PM
I recently watched the scene from Saving Private Ryan we are referring to. I don't think it's inconceivable that those mustangs weren't using bombs or rockets. I did not see the guns firing at the tanks. And at the time of the tank's destruction there were not little bits of dirt flung all around which would connote bullets raining on it, rather they were hitting from the front, connoting the fire is coming from the US troops. When the Mustangs start flying over the scene, explosions appear below them, so it looks like bomb drops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBXjThmQwWY

WTE_Galway
09-24-2009, 04:46 PM
lol ... everyone knows bullets will bounce off super hard european dirt but hitting mushy third reich armor plate at the same angle will go straight through it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stupidity ...

the last time this was put up on myth busters it got shot down in laughter

HOWEVER it is pretty well documented that 0.50 cal could DISABLE most tanks at least temporarily until they were repaired, especially if shots from above made it through the baffles and into the engine compartment, its just cooking them that is unlikely or even impossible.

Scolar
09-24-2009, 04:52 PM
I don't see how that Saving Private Ryan scene can be interpreted in any other way.. Of course they were bombs.


Anyway aircraft attacking tanks shot the top armour not tried to do some form of magic trick to hit the underside. The tank would have to be on some impenetrable flooring like steel for the .50cals to bounce, and yet they can supposedly penetrate the tank's steel underbelly? You would have to fire at some rediculously small angle from horizontal to get the bullets to skip off the floor (hoping that the floor is very tough so it doesn't crumble - wasting the bullets energy) and then they have to just rise enough to hit the underside.

Its not even plausible. I sure hope the junior team don't test this myth (they are pretty short sighted when it comes to mythbusting!) as they would just make a robot and use tanks and guns from the wrong era. History and the junior team don't mix

Viper2005_
09-24-2009, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by TS_Sancho:
If it bounces off the ground the round is certainley going to bounce off the inch of plate steel on the underside of the tank after bouncing off the ground.

That may seem like the obvious conclusion, but actually it's not correct.

The crucial factor is the angle of impact.

Stones will penetrate water. But you can skip them off its surface given the correct impact angle.

Of course, if the ground is flat and parallel to the underside of the tank it's unlikely that you'll bounce off the soft ground and penetrate the hard metal. But for the sake of playing devil's advocate, there is no requirement that tanks drive over flat surfaces.

The other important point is that there is no requirement that the underside of tanks be flat.

As such it might be at least theoretically possible to arrange geometry that would lead to unexpected results.

However, despite the fact that people have become rich through playing the lottery, it isn't a good business proposition to bulk-buy lottery tickets...

waffen-79
09-24-2009, 05:02 PM
to be honest I think is ridiculous(sp?)



they would just make a robot and use tanks and guns from the wrong era.


even If they get a P-47 or P-51, armed! let alone with .50cals they're still not be:

1 in europe
2 correct temperature
3 correct altitude
4 correct MG
5 correct MG belts AP-API-APHE

and the other side, I won't even start with the correct Tiger Issues

WTE_Galway
09-24-2009, 05:07 PM
I really couldn't be bothered searching for 0.50 cal penetration at oblique angles but this site:

http://www.inetres.com/gp/mili...ntry/mg/50_ammo.html (http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html)

claims that an M2 AP round fired from a 45-inch barrel at 200 meters will barely penetrate 1" of armor plate when hitting at 90 degrees.

If the same round -- after bouncing off a hard surface and then hitting at an angle that is likely 30 degrees or less can still penetrate 1" of armor that would be impressive.



EDIT: (its also worth noting that 1" plate at 30 degrees, using simple high school trig, is effectively 2" thick )

Treetop64
09-24-2009, 06:31 PM
Why must we persist with this nonsense... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Skoshi Tiger
09-24-2009, 06:43 PM
Why must we persist with this nonsense...


To hazard a guess, 1) it's anoying and 2) EVERY one knows the actual answer and 3) bar every one chiping in for a tiger tank, six browning machine guns and a keg of beer, we still won't prove it to the people who want to believe it!

Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2009, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Why must we persist with this nonsense

It is nonsense. And in my ideal world we could get the Mythbusters to fire a few rounds of 50 cal ammo into the ground, get them to measure their speed after they ricochet. They know the mass of the rounds and can then calculate (which is I suppose the best that we can do) their penetrative potential.

I don't have a 50 cal, nor a high speed camera, nor a timing rig - Do you?

They do. If they would test it we could know. Then the crowd that does believe in the testimony of the Vet. May just dwindle away.

That's why. I brought it up.

stalkervision
09-24-2009, 09:16 PM
look if they spent a whole show trying to prove you can't "polish a turd" then waldow's request seems quite reasonable doesn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Treetop64
09-24-2009, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
look if they spent a whole show trying to prove you can't "polish a turd" then waldow's request seems quite reasonable doesn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

They actually did a show on that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

These guys running out of myths to bust, or what.

Is that hot redhead still on the show? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

stalkervision
09-24-2009, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
look if they spent a whole show trying to prove you can't "polish a turd" then waldow's request seems quite reasonable doesn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

They actually did a show on that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

These guys running out of myths to bust, or what.

Is that hot redhead still on the show? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI


and she's the only thing there worth watching now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

TS_Sancho
09-24-2009, 10:17 PM
every one chiping in for a tiger tank, six browning machine guns and a keg of beer,

Sounds like a hoot, count me in.

Skoshi Tiger
09-25-2009, 06:29 AM
Has any one looked into how much spalding occurs when a 50.cal hit's 25mm armour plate?

Though I always thought you'ld have to get the round hitting at about a 90 degree which would rule that kind of damage from a ricochet?

Skoshi Tiger
09-25-2009, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by TS_Sancho:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">every one chiping in for a tiger tank, six browning machine guns and a keg of beer,

Sounds like a hoot, count me in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well thats two.

Treetop64
09-25-2009, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
look if they spent a whole show trying to prove you can't "polish a turd" then waldow's request seems quite reasonable doesn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

They actually did a show on that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

These guys running out of myths to bust, or what.

Is that hot redhead still on the show? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI


and she's the only thing there worth watching now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Watched a few minutes of that. The phrase "Jumped the Shark" came to mind...

M_Gunz
09-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Considering many things these guys do, I can't see why they'd miss this one. They don't HAVE to use a plane or a tank.
They chopped trees down with a gatling gun, blew off 600 lbs of TNT trying to make a surfable wave.. how could they not
want to ricochet bullets into steel plate?

-Anything- flashy, loud, and with a destructive element should be irresistible to them. Just play it up more.

doraemil
09-25-2009, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Why must we persist with this nonsense... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

because the P-51 won the war!



the stalingrad one cracked me up man, so funny



/sarcasm off
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Waldo.Pepper
09-25-2009, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Considering many things these guys do, I can't see why they'd miss this one. They don't HAVE to use a plane or a tank.
They chopped trees down with a gatling gun, blew off 600 lbs of TNT trying to make a surfable wave.. how could they not
want to ricochet bullets into steel plate?

-Anything- flashy, loud, and with a destructive element should be irresistible to them. Just play it up more.

+1 Exactly.

As for specifically why


Originally posted by M_Gunz:
they'd miss this one.

Because is it potentially disrespectful toward the Veteran(s) who say they did this. It could be seen as insulting to WW2 vets who have acquired near sainted status. That could be one reason.

VF-17_Jolly
09-25-2009, 01:33 PM
Richocet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc)

They had better get the angle right though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif