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dimebag15
08-21-2009, 04:15 PM
Hi all just wanted to see at what range you set your machine guns and cannons at or do you leave it at the default 500 m.
Cheers all.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 04:28 PM
1000 all the time.

ImMoreBetter
08-21-2009, 04:28 PM
200m is just right for me, although I may vary it 100m in either direction depending on how I'm flying that day.

Muddy17
08-21-2009, 04:33 PM
Hey,,I keep mine at around 150 each,, have tried other things for years but that seems to be what I end up with.

On a foot note, I have read in several books that the standard for the US in WWII was apx 300m. One book had a nice diagram to show that you could do alot of harm for a wider range of ,, well ranges IE- 180m to 460m with 4 to 6x50's would eat Average size fighters. Of course 300 being most destructive.

AndyJWest
08-21-2009, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
1000 all the time.
Flying what? Do you hit anything? Practically everyone else with any experience seems to use 300m at max.

Or are you just trying to be funny...

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
1000 all the time.
Flying what? Do you hit anything? Practically everyone else with any experience seems to use 300m at max.

Or are you just trying to be funny... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

He He He.

Damn, you guys are learning all my little tricks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


Sarcasim and dry humer is somethig you guys are good at figuring out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ba5tard5word
08-21-2009, 04:48 PM
When flying a fighter it's 250m and I try to get as close as possible to my target without ramming into him. 200m or closer is best for damage with the least ammo usage possible, but in a pinch 200 to 250m will work.

MD_Titus
08-21-2009, 04:49 PM
Varies wildly depending what i'm flying and what guns it has.
190, Ta152 - 500m-700m
La5f-fn - 700m
tempest, f4u-1c - 200m
109, p38 - 300-500m
spitfire, p51 etc - 170-180m

AndyJWest
08-21-2009, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
1000 all the time.
Flying what? Do you hit anything? Practically everyone else with any experience seems to use 300m at max.

Or are you just trying to be funny... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

He He He.

Damn, you guys are learning all my little tricks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


Sarcasim and dry humer is somethig you guys are good at figuring out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, ok, very funny. Only thing is this guy may be a beginner (only 17 posts) and may not realise what an awkward little (can't think of a word I can put here that will get past the autocensor) you are. Since your reply was the first, he could read it and spend the next six months wondering why his aim is so bad, or more likely assume that IL-2 is only worth what he paid for it, and go and play something else instead.

Take the mickey out of those who know you if you like, but show a little consideration for the noobs, Owlet.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 05:07 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


I'm the forum maskot(so is Raaaid). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 05:15 PM
I realy use 150 meters.

na85
08-21-2009, 05:17 PM
No, you really aren't the forum mascot.

Focke, I would suggest using 200m or less.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 05:19 PM
Then what am I?

'The official Forum smartass kid' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Waldo.Pepper
08-21-2009, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Then what am I?

'The official Forum smartass kid' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Your a B-32. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 200m for me btw.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 05:27 PM
Thats a good Idea.

We should start classifieing members as aircraft.

I'm teh B-32.

From what I can tell Billswagger is the P-47, Waldo is as Mousquito, Andy is a P-51, Bastardsword is a B-25, ImMoreBetter is a FW-190 and many other people are too, Tuphlandng is a P-51...

b2spirita
08-21-2009, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Then what am I?

'The official Forum smartass kid' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

'Official creator of useless posts'

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 05:30 PM
'Official creator of useless posts'


Puting in my sig right now...

Edit: Done. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TS_Sancho
08-21-2009, 05:37 PM
As a general rule 200 meters is my preferred convergence setting.

If I expect a lot of close manuevering fighter vs. fighter stuff I'll tighten it to 125-150 meters for lighter caliber mg's (.303 etc.)

I set cannons out to 300 meters if I'm expecting to tangle with heavies or ground pounding.

P47 has 4 .50 cal mg's set to weapon 1 (mg's) and 4 .50's set to weapon 2 (cannon)so I assign convergences of 175 and 225 meters respectively.

Nose mounted weapons dont adjust convergence but do adjust for bullet drop.

Everyones different and what works for one doent work for all. Some good advice is to pick a ride your going to stick with for a bit and enable distance tags and a couple of friendly aircraft in the quick mission builder.

Go into your IL2 installations config.INI file and change arcade=0 to arcade=1. This enables a tool which will show your bullet strikes with directional arrows.

Take note of where you tend to want to shoot and where you hit and adjust your technique accordingly.

Keep in mind that while low deflection shots are easier shooting from dead 6 astern is undesirable. Try for angle off of a couple degrees, this is the difference between single burst kill shots and pecking the enemy ac to death.

Learning to keep the slipball centered through trim and coordinated rudder makes it a lot easier as well.

Hope this helps...

AndyJWest
08-21-2009, 05:38 PM
To be honest, my aim has never been good enough to tell the difference between the effects of convergence at 200m or 300m, but from what other people have written, you will want convergence a little longer for attacking bombers than for dogfighting. Not that this helps much if you don't know in advance what you are going to be shooting at.

I'd say for the less experienced, try 250 or 300m, but concentrate more on being able to hit the target than worrying about how much damage you are doing. This requires a properly trimmed aircraft, appropriate joystick sensitivity, and LOTS of practice for deflection shooting. You also need to learn how to shoot aircraft down without ramming them, something I'm still doing far too often...

Edit ----

"Andy is a P-51" - If you are referring to me Owlet, I object to this slur.

Ok, I can suddenly snap on you, and go into a spin, and am prone to dive in on easy targets from my lofty perch. Oh, yes I do go on and on too, and my merits/demerits may have argued about occasionally on these forums since I arrived (late on scene, to take advantage of the lessons already learned). Hum, maybe you are right after all...

Actually, I'd be satisfied if I was just a humble Walrus, bumbling around pulling damp pilots out of the channel, and bringing them home for tea and biscuits...

Tully__
08-21-2009, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


I'm the forum maskot(so is Raaaid). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Andy has a point. If you continue to jump in with deliberately misleading information you're out of here. Consider this an official warning.

That being said, there are a small number who prefer to use long convergence settings for aircraft with most or all guns nose mounted such P-38, Bf109. For the most part a much shorter range (150 - 300m) is preferred for air to air work, but the 800-1000m range does suit some fighting styles and aircraft.

na85
08-21-2009, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by b2spirita:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Then what am I?

'The official Forum smartass kid' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

'Official creator of useless posts' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont encourage him, he's just looking for attention

The_Stealth_Owl
08-21-2009, 06:24 PM
See you guys are figuring out my tricks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

khatchatour
08-21-2009, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by MD_Titus:
Varies wildly depending what i'm flying and what guns it has.
190, Ta152 - 500m-700m
La5f-fn - 700m
tempest, f4u-1c - 200m
109, p38 - 300-500m
spitfire, p51 etc - 170-180m

What's the point of setting the range for La-5fn. It has two cannons shooting through a propeller. Isn't conversion relevant for wing-mounted guns only?

berg417448
08-21-2009, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by khatchatour:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MD_Titus:
Varies wildly depending what i'm flying and what guns it has.
190, Ta152 - 500m-700m
La5f-fn - 700m
tempest, f4u-1c - 200m
109, p38 - 300-500m
spitfire, p51 etc - 170-180m

What's the point of setting the range for La-5fn. It has two cannons shooting through a propeller. Isn't conversion relevant for wing-mounted guns only? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


There is a vertical component to weapons conversion which will affect nose mounted guns.

AndyJWest
08-21-2009, 06:50 PM
Yup, as Berg417448 says:

http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/dav2ken/convergence.jpg

(from Nugget's Guide (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9121094645))

Uufflakke
08-21-2009, 11:58 PM
This little tutorial 'Using the Sight as a Rangefinder and Convergence will be helpfull to you I think.

Using the Sight as a Rangefinder and Convergence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpnJeM3wjew)

TooCooL34
08-22-2009, 12:13 AM
For early planes, 200m
For 42~43 planes, 300m
for late war planes, 400m
Varies upon general speed and fighting style

megalopsuche
08-22-2009, 12:21 AM
~200m for anything with wing mounted guns.

~300m for nose mounted weapons.

When I'm feeling cocky, 400m in the P-47 with the extra ammunition package. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

MD_Titus
08-22-2009, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by khatchatour:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MD_Titus:
Varies wildly depending what i'm flying and what guns it has.
190, Ta152 - 500m-700m
La5f-fn - 700m
tempest, f4u-1c - 200m
109, p38 - 300-500m
spitfire, p51 etc - 170-180m

What's the point of setting the range for La-5fn. It has two cannons shooting through a propeller. Isn't conversion relevant for wing-mounted guns only? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well you see, i found the la-5f and la-5fn to be a bit freakish in terms of projectile velocity. at my usual nose mounted setting of 300m i couldn't hit anything with them, and absolutely hated the plane. whilst it was nice to fly killing anything was rare, and seeing as that's what fighters are for it made it useless in my hands.

however, shifting the convergence out to 700m seemed to fix my issues with it. i can hit things anywhere between point blank and way out to 500m and beyond. i guess the vertical drop over that range is minimal, and having the convergence so far out keeps the rounds just above or on the central point in the gunsight, which seems to work nicely for me, dropping rounds on top of them. whereas having it closer possibly lowers the elevation of the guns a bit, so that the rounds are in the centre of the sight for a shorter period of time, but then drop a bit by the time they get any further out and go under the bandit. that'd mean close in work should be fine, but making those long range shots becomes total luck.

this could mean i wasn't pulling enough lead with the shorter convergence and that the change in vertical trajectory caused by the longer convergence compensates adequately for it. not sure, but damn does it work. stats usually between 10 and 15% in la-5f/fns now. and there's nothing nicer than stitching a 190 in a gentle zoom climb from 500m away.

apart from stitching an la-5 with 30mm from 500m away.

dimebag15
08-22-2009, 03:05 AM
Thanks for all the replys i usually fly the 109 1943 with nose cannon with 25% fuel to help with the weight. So should i be setting the cannon to a range of 150-400 and have the machine guns between 50-150 .

b2spirita
08-22-2009, 03:46 AM
Play around with it and find out what works for you, not someone else.

dwagener
08-22-2009, 06:59 AM
I tend to fly the Spits & 109s in turn & burn with other fighters and 160m or 180m works well for me. It saves ammo and allows for more kills per mission, it also teaches you to get close to your target and to stop "spraying & praying" as soon as you see your target.

If flying a later model 109 & going after bombers I'll use 360m.

Cheers & tallyho!

Erkki_M
08-22-2009, 08:01 AM
I use fairly short weapons convergences myself: in P51 120-150(depending on opposition, if some 1/3 or more are FW190D9 then 150m), 130 and 160 in P47, 300 with nose-mounted guns. In FW190A I use 150(MGs and inner cannons) and 200m(outer cannons), as with the FW you shoot more from high deflections where hacing a "wall of fire" towards the enemy is more important than concentrating the fire. Same goes for Tempest(usually 150m).

These, however, most likely only work in FR or near FR enviroment where you get to surprise people a lot(I've estimated more than 80% of all my kills to have never seen me, and more than 70% of all firing being from dead, high or low six bounces and max 10 degrees left or right). However its good to have the convergence a bit further just to be able to shoot from further than that 150m deflection as well. In surprise attacks you almost always get a second or even two of firing time before you victim gets to react, anyways.

BillSwagger
08-22-2009, 08:17 AM
i would find the distance that you engage the enemy at most of the time. I recognize that MGs hit harder under 200m, but i've found most of my shooting goes on between 200m and 400m. I also do a lot high deflection shots so its nice to have the added range.
Your convergence will vary on the plane you use and how you fly it. There really is no perfect setting, but if you find you aren't getting the results you want then you may need to tighten up the convergence.


For me, 250-300m is a good balance of spread and firepower.

megalopsuche
08-22-2009, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by focke04:
Thanks for all the replys i usually fly the 109 1943 with nose cannon with 25% fuel to help with the weight.

Don't plan on RTB? 50% fuel will give you almost a half-hour in most 109s and the weight is negligible. The only time I can feel the fuel weight in the 109 is when I'm above 75%.

Choctaw111
08-22-2009, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


I'm the forum maskot(so is Raaaid). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

You wish you were the forum mascot.
Useless posts equals waste of space. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


Back to the original question...
As far as the range I set my weapons to, it really depends on the mission type, and the type of guns, even the aircraft type and if the guns are nose or wing mounted.
For dogfighting, I use 150-175 for 30 (8mm) cal machine guns and 250 for 50 cal and cannon.
For bomber intercept or ground attack you can set them out around 750 or even more if you like, giving you more firing time with all of your bullets hitting, and keeping you out of lethal range of the bomber gunners.

Choctaw111
08-22-2009, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Thats a good Idea.

We should start classifieing members as aircraft.

I'm teh B-32.



If you were around here a few months ago, you would know that this was already done.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-22-2009, 10:33 AM
Yeah I know, the If you were a Aircraft' thread, I bumped it up from 2007.

Bearcat99
08-22-2009, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by focke04:
Hi all just wanted to see at what range you set your machine guns and cannons at or do you leave it at the default 500 m.
Cheers all.

It all depends on the plane & the job. For ground pounding in a Jug I set my guns to @400-500m Since I fly primarily American planes my wing guns are usually @175-250m max for air to air.. If flying say a Spit or a plane with wing cannos & MGs I wuill set the cannon to @50-75m less than the MGs.

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-22-2009, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Then what am I?

'The official Forum smartass kid' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

More like the "Official Noob"

200m FTW

Download and watch Dart's video. Using the gunsight to determine range. I think you will find it very helpful. http://www.darts-page.com/movi..._and_Convergence.zip (http://www.darts-page.com/movies/Range_and_Convergence.zip)

Or watch it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTnUk4G9r-A

S!

Oops! Uufflakke already beat me too it.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Well the download link is there in case you want it on your HD for safe keeping.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-22-2009, 11:49 AM
5 years!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Remember...

I am no noob!

Choctaw111
08-22-2009, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
5 years!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Remember...

I am no noob!

5 years what?
And what have you got to be mad about?



It is interesting to see what ranges others use.
It really comes down to personal preference, but seeing what others do may give help to a good starting point.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-22-2009, 12:16 PM
I'v been playing for 5 years.

I'm mad becuase we already talked about this.

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I'v been playing for 5 years.

I'm mad becuase we already talked about this.

Difference between having a game for 5 years and actually having 5 years experience. When you get as old as I you will understand that.

Trefle
08-22-2009, 02:44 PM
Depends the plane and gun type , sub-variant , mission and more importantly , whether it is wing mounted or not IMHO .

These are examples of the settings that works best for me since 2004 that i fly in "full real" environment (where it is possible to surprise your ennemy very often ) more or less regularly , these are sort of "optimal settings" for me in order to "kill" in one single pass ( which is extremely important in squad play engagements online when you want to create a numerical superiority situation as quickly as possible ), but that often requires to be able to manoeuver your aircraft close from your target ( at convergence point ) before opening fire (the hardest part but the most rewarding IMHO) , when the target nearly or totally fills your gunsight depending the plane (in zoom view ) :

Bf-109 Emil with 2X 20mm Oerlikon (low velocity guns) in the wings : i use convergence 140 metres
Bf-109 G6 or F4 with 20mm Mauser or Mk108 in the Nose : i use 300 metres , but i shoot below 150 meters most of the time with Mk108
Fw-190 Antons with 4 X 20mm Mauser in the wings : I use 300 metres . With the Dora and its 2X 20mm in the wingroots , i set the Minengeschoss explosive rounds to converge at 200metres .
Ju-87B Stuka : i use default 500metres because i only use my Mg17 guns for their tracers before releasing my bomb during a diving attack . I use 300 meters for the D5. These were the a/c i fly the most

Generally speaking , any aircraft with nose guns , i use 300 metres , like Yakovlev , MiGs , P-39 or Lavochkas , even though i usually begin to shoot at half this distance . It just works very well for me as i'm used to it

P-51 C with 4 X Browning .50cal in the wing : i use convergence 130 metres , works best for me (pilot kill, set on fire or totally disable engine in one pass very often ) cause i rarely have problems to come that close from my target (at convergence point ) since the plane is very fast and aerodynamically clean (keeps well energy )

P-51D with 6 X Browning .50al in the wings : i use 140 metres
P-38's with a 20mm gun and some Brownings in the nose : 300 metres
P-47's : 8 x Brownings in the wings : i use convergence 160 metres for air superiority , 200 metres for ground attack
Spitfire Mk V/VIII/IX : 2 x Hispano-Suiza 20mm in the wings : I use 160 metres
P-40 : 6 X Browning .50cal in the wing , but more stable gun platform than the 51 : i use 160 metres
Tempest : 4 X Hispanos in the wings : i have a very brief experience with this bird , so i usually use my 190 settings (300 meters)

A6M2 : 2 X low velocity 20mm guns in the wing : i use 130 metres , i use 150 metres for A6M5's with better wing cannons
F4F3 Wildcat : 4x Browning .50cal in the wings : i use 130metres
F6F5 Hellcat : 6x Browning .50cal in the wings : i use 150 metres for air superiority ( as it's slightly more stable gun platform than the Pony but less than the Warhawk ) , 200metres for ground attack
I-16 Type 24 : 2 X high velocity Shvak 20mm cannons in the wings : i use 160 metres because i like to shoot from close range with this bird , but i also use 200 meters ,especially in 1942 scenarios against much faster 109F
IL-2 Sturmovik with 20 or 23 mm in the wings when attacking ground targets : 220 metres (cause i start shooting approx 250m from the ground targets to avoid wasting ammos )

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-22-2009, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Trefle:
Depends the plane and gun type , sub-variant , mission and more importantly , whether it is wing mounted or not IMHO .

These are examples of the settings that works best for me since 2004 that i fly in "full real" environment (where it is possible to surprise your ennemy very often ) more or less regularly , these are sort of "optimal settings" for me in order to "kill" in one single pass ( which is extremely important in squad play engagements online when you want to create a numerical superiority situation as quickly as possible ), but that often requires to be able to manoeuver your aircraft close from your target ( at convergence point ) before opening fire (the hardest part but the most rewarding IMHO) , when the target nearly or totally fills your gunsight depending the plane (in zoom view ) :

Bf-109 Emil with 2X 20mm Oerlikon (low velocity guns) in the wings : i use convergence 140 metres
Bf-109 G6 or F4 with 20mm Mauser or Mk108 in the Nose : i use 300 metres , but i shoot below 150 meters most of the time with Mk108
Fw-190 Antons with 4 X 20mm Mauser in the wings : I use 300 metres . With the Dora and its 2X 20mm in the wingroots , i set the Minengeschoss explosive rounds to converge at 200metres .
Ju-87B Stuka : i use default 500metres because i only use my Mg17 guns for their tracers before releasing my bomb during a diving attack . I use 300 meters for the D5. These were the a/c i fly the most

Generally speaking , any aircraft with nose guns , i use 300 metres , like Yakovlev , MiGs , P-39 or Lavochkas , even though i usually begin to shoot at half this distance . It just works very well for me as i'm used to it

P-51 C with 4 X Browning .50cal in the wing : i use convergence 130 metres , works best for me (pilot kill, set on fire or totally disable engine in one pass very often ) cause i rarely have problems to come that close from my target (at convergence point ) since the plane is very fast and aerodynamically clean (keeps well energy )

P-51D with 6 X Browning .50al in the wings : i use 140 metres
P-38's with a 20mm gun and some Brownings in the nose : 300 metres
P-47's : 8 x Brownings in the wings : i use convergence 160 metres for air superiority , 200 metres for ground attack
Spitfire Mk V/VIII/IX : 2 x Hispano-Suiza 20mm in the wings : I use 160 metres
P-40 : 6 X Browning .50cal in the wing , but more stable gun platform than the 51 : i use 160 metres
Tempest : 4 X Hispanos in the wings : i have a very brief experience with this bird , so i usually use my 190 settings (300 meters)

A6M2 : 2 X low velocity 20mm guns in the wing : i use 130 metres , i use 150 metres for A6M5's with better wing cannons
F4F3 Wildcat : 4x Browning .50cal in the wings : i use 130metres
F6F5 Hellcat : 6x Browning .50cal in the wings : i use 150 metres for air superiority ( as it's slightly more stable gun platform than the Pony but less than the Warhawk ) , 200metres for ground attack
I-16 Type 24 : 2 X high velocity Shvak 20mm cannons in the wings : i use 160 metres because i like to shoot from close range with this bird , but i also use 200 meters ,especially in 1942 scenarios against much faster 109F
IL-2 Sturmovik with 20 or 23 mm in the wings when attacking ground targets : 220 metres (cause i start shooting approx 250m from the ground targets to avoid wasting ammos )

Very well put together and I like some of your suggestions and explanations. Good stuff!

S!

JV44_Wubke
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
1000 all the time.
Flying what? Do you hit anything? Practically everyone else with any experience seems to use 300m at max.

Or are you just trying to be funny... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

He He He.

Damn, you guys are learning all my little tricks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


Sarcasim and dry humer is somethig you guys are good at figuring out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't laugh, I used this for a quite a while. I always fired at 2-300m but for some reason had good success with convergence set way out.

M_Gunz
08-23-2009, 12:33 AM
It depends on what kind of shooting you want to do which depends on what kind of tactics you will use which depends on
both the mission and the opposition and of course what plane you you have. I set em long, 300-350m, for deflection shots.

Until you can judge distances and are good at guessing how long the shots will take to get somewhere the only thing is
to set it close and the most effective attack will be following and peppering a ~co-speed and ~co-alt target.

If you fly with a whole lot of skid or slip then you could easily miss with most of your fire at 100-150m.

doraemil
08-26-2009, 02:09 PM
Awesome job, even with stealth's malarky.

Trefle: kudos.



I think its personal. Setting convergence.

Dart is on point.

I like to open up around 400 m (except machine gun planes I open around 300 )


rockets, leave @ 500 m

bombs, set those 1-2 sec for fighters
3 sec for slower planes like IL-2, A-20, or SBD

if carrying heavier bombs set 1-2 sec more (+1 for 1000 pounders or +2 for mini nukes like 2000's )

bombs in naval setting, I set to 0 for skippin or dive bombing (I dive from 5000m and pull out around 1000m)

gunnery


for US .50 cal's I like 200m

German cannons 300 (wing mounted)

FW 190 400 m

German nose cannons 400
German low caliber nose machines 200
German high caliber nose mg's 300

for all other nose mounted goes 400 (p-38, 39, 110 etc )

7.62 m / weak machine guns 100-150 m wings

japanese planes machine guns 150 m, and cannon 200 4 wings

Zero mg's I set for 150

except the 84c, that gets my FW-190 set up @ 400m


The strangest is the Russian cannons, I can set those anywhere from 200 to 800m and not notice any real difference.

They are like Chuck Norris Facts cannons.

The Russian machine guns have the same effect, 200 good out to 600 ish.


Russian mg / cannon I set 400 wings / 500 m nose

Ground attack, I noticed machine guns harder to work beyond 400 . . . so I set lower calibers 300, higher ones 400

Cannon strafe gets 400 or default 500.

I drop 20 degrees - 45 degrees and let fly when altitude is around 300 above the ground


other stuff I have encountered:

I have read other posts of people using 100m very successfuly while opening 300 ish range to right before kamikaze -'n the other plane.


and some of the TX squadron guys advocate 1000m (I would suspect they use 500 m deflection shots but they didn't chime in when someone asked in the 1000 m convergence post when I DAFS).

Maybe its a secret like that guy who posted reverse joystick sensitivity settings and said something about flies eating caviar? Sorry I forgot your name (and I don't have time to look you up via DAFS), but I do remember you luv the FW-190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So much to experiment w/ . . .

turning off realistic gunnery, setting convergence doesn't really matter.