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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 03:57 PM
I've recently installed Win XP Pro on my computer!

A whole new world has opened to me. I've been using Win2K and it is too restrictive for gaming it would appear. All in all there isn't a lot of difference in the OS, but XP really deals with compatibity issues much simpler. This opened a door to using a bunch of the old Win95,Win98,ME based Combat flight sims for me.

I've been reading the paperback book "To win the Winter Sky" by Danny S. Parker. It is about the air war over the Ardennes, 1944-1945. This book is an awesome reference, and interesting reading.

Since installing XP Pro, I installed Jane's WWII Fighters along with the patch 1.08 F. Previously, I couldn't get the WW2 fighters mission builder and my joystick to work simultaneously with the sim in Win2K. In other words, it was one or the other but not both. I just gave up it was just too much hassle.

Now, before anyone gets crosswise... WW2F is a four + year old sim, and it isn't an IL2-FB. It is however, still a very viable CFS with many fabulous add-ons. I can tell you this in straight talk, if Jane's updated the WW2F, it would certainly give IL2-FB a run for first place.

The one thing I originally felt about the WW2F was it seemed a little Star Wars to me, that is, after a couple years with the IL2-FB programs. What astonished me when I started reading Danny Parker's book is the damage modeling may not be as far off as I originally believed. In fact, weapons systems during the Ardennes conflicts were darned advanced over the early war weapons. The efficiency of the Flak gunnery was improved, 8 x.50 calibre guns, and 30MM cannons in aircraft definitely made air combat dangerous.

Originally, when I tried WW2F I thought the targets were too fragile. The more I read Parker's book I realized it wasn't uncommon for enemies to just bale out of their aircraft after a quick pass and they received a few hits. THe more you read the more you realize...those guys wanted to live and fight another day.

The WW2 Fighters war theatre is pretty exciting because it was late war, and you can use the jets, the 109Ks, etc.

The WW2F can use the IRTrack and the cockpits are second to NONE.

I've been reading all the postings about the upcoming IL2-FB patch, and it doesn't look like the FMB is gonna even get a tweak. So, if you like mission building and have a penchant for history...maybe the WW2 Fighters - Ardennes theatre would appeal to you. The mission builder in WWII fighters is a great tool. It has all the great stuff we need in and improved IL2-FB FMB (Full Mission Builder).

You can pick up copies of WW2Fighters around, and they aren't too expensive. You'll have some fun and you won't be wasting your money...IMO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There are a large number of very capable add-ons, which really perk up the old CFS.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 03:57 PM
I've recently installed Win XP Pro on my computer!

A whole new world has opened to me. I've been using Win2K and it is too restrictive for gaming it would appear. All in all there isn't a lot of difference in the OS, but XP really deals with compatibity issues much simpler. This opened a door to using a bunch of the old Win95,Win98,ME based Combat flight sims for me.

I've been reading the paperback book "To win the Winter Sky" by Danny S. Parker. It is about the air war over the Ardennes, 1944-1945. This book is an awesome reference, and interesting reading.

Since installing XP Pro, I installed Jane's WWII Fighters along with the patch 1.08 F. Previously, I couldn't get the WW2 fighters mission builder and my joystick to work simultaneously with the sim in Win2K. In other words, it was one or the other but not both. I just gave up it was just too much hassle.

Now, before anyone gets crosswise... WW2F is a four + year old sim, and it isn't an IL2-FB. It is however, still a very viable CFS with many fabulous add-ons. I can tell you this in straight talk, if Jane's updated the WW2F, it would certainly give IL2-FB a run for first place.

The one thing I originally felt about the WW2F was it seemed a little Star Wars to me, that is, after a couple years with the IL2-FB programs. What astonished me when I started reading Danny Parker's book is the damage modeling may not be as far off as I originally believed. In fact, weapons systems during the Ardennes conflicts were darned advanced over the early war weapons. The efficiency of the Flak gunnery was improved, 8 x.50 calibre guns, and 30MM cannons in aircraft definitely made air combat dangerous.

Originally, when I tried WW2F I thought the targets were too fragile. The more I read Parker's book I realized it wasn't uncommon for enemies to just bale out of their aircraft after a quick pass and they received a few hits. THe more you read the more you realize...those guys wanted to live and fight another day.

The WW2 Fighters war theatre is pretty exciting because it was late war, and you can use the jets, the 109Ks, etc.

The WW2F can use the IRTrack and the cockpits are second to NONE.

I've been reading all the postings about the upcoming IL2-FB patch, and it doesn't look like the FMB is gonna even get a tweak. So, if you like mission building and have a penchant for history...maybe the WW2 Fighters - Ardennes theatre would appeal to you. The mission builder in WWII fighters is a great tool. It has all the great stuff we need in and improved IL2-FB FMB (Full Mission Builder).

You can pick up copies of WW2Fighters around, and they aren't too expensive. You'll have some fun and you won't be wasting your money...IMO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There are a large number of very capable add-ons, which really perk up the old CFS.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:16 PM
I´ve been gaming with win 2000 pro Sp3 for two years and NEVER had any compatibility issue or problems of any kind...Just one game gave me some issues, and that was B17 the Mighty 8th. Otherwise, I´ll stick to 2000, as I´m really fond of...XP doesn´t really inspire me...

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:28 PM
I've been using Win2k for a long time myself. I have only had difficulty running some of the old combat flight sims . I used the MSFT compatibility utility and it was a good workaround most of the time. It just wouldn't work properly with the Jane's WW2 Fighters. I mentioned the OS primarily, because someone may try to use Win2K with WW2F. There are issues.

All in all I've always been happy with Win2K. I still have it on my system. Now, I dual boot Win2K and WinXP Pro.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:48 PM
cueceleches wrote:
- I´ve been gaming with win 2000 pro Sp3 for two years
- and NEVER had any compatibility issue or problems of
- any kind...Just one game gave me some issues, and
- that was B17 the Mighty 8th. Otherwise, I´ll stick
- to 2000, as I´m really fond of...XP doesn´t really
- inspire me...


You've had SP3 for two years now?

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But I agree with everything else that you say.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:01 PM
No, I´ve got SP3 since it came out, obviously...but still a geat OS. I still believe it´s even better than XP, as it is less RAM hungry and it manages memory quite fine.

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RichardI
07-11-2003, 05:01 PM
nearmiss:-
You may have seen some of my other posts on WWII Fighters. I couldn't agree more. Jane's was lightyears ahead of its time in 1998 and now that I have a system capable of running it maxed out it is awesome!. The new hi-res mods make this game comparable to FB in graphics, but not in FM.
Right now I play Jane's more than FB. It's much more fun and visually stunning. The flak sounds and the dissipating clouds of smoke, the 3D clouds, etc. are unmatched by anything today.
The AI planes act like real people. They will actually run from a fight if they have to. The soldiers on the ground will shoot at you with their rifles. There are deer in the forests. The tower clears you for take-off, etc..
Add to that some great '40s music, the videos of the WWII aces, I could go on but you already know.....


PS. If you haven't downloaded and installed the new P51-D and updated cockpit, go here:
http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=56;t=000571
It's unbelievable.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:11 PM
I have XP. How do you resolve the compatibility issues you talked about under that OS? I too love JWW2 Fighters and would love to see it in action with my xp2800/ATI 9700 pro system. Thanks.

stubby

RichardI
07-11-2003, 05:48 PM
stubby;-
I have XP and I'm running Janes' with no problems. As far as I'm concerned, there are no compatibilty problems with XP. Load 'er up and have a ball1

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:03 PM
Point of order:

I've never seen the WW2F soldiers on the ground shoot at you with their rifles. Never.

They stand or they run. I've studied these little buggers and scratched my head over how to change their 3D model. I've made new skins for them. I've gotten to know them pretty well I think.

Perhaps you're thinking of the MGs mounted on the halftracks? The default models simply show an unmanned gun firing at you; MIKH added a human figure at the gun for his "SdKfZ-251 with troops" update.

BTW, I just loaded up GhostPony/Nibbio's latest effect build for CFS-3, the advancing and firing infantry squads. The mod is somewhat rudimentary as far as animation but pretty cool nonetheless. The troopers jog along and fire their weapons from the hip; if you're on the ground you see muzzle flashes and whispy tracers flying all around. From the air you can distinguish that they're humans and you can strafe them down (like in WW2F); I believe they really do fire back at you as I've seen bullets whiz by and heard a few light 'thunks' hit my plane ...

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:32 PM
Stubby

No problems here with XP Pro!

I had issues with Win2K only.

I just installed it like normal

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:04 PM
Thanks RichardI. I thought I would have to do some magic in order to get it working. I've noticed a 'compatibility' button under the video cards display properties and wasn't sure that had something to do with running older Windows games.

By the way, I went to simhq and start reading their wwII fighters forum and i'm getting pretty pumpbed about reinstalling it and getting some of the latest mods. I saw screen shots of the new p51 cockpit and in my opinion, it's the best 3d cockpit i've ever seen. As muchn I love il-2, not one cockpit can touch the photorealism of that p51 cockpit. The freakin' dials have relfective glass surfaces for gods sake! Just crossing my fingers that it all works smoothly. I miss hearing 'Take the "A" Train' by Duke Ellington while panning the hanger!


stubby

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:10 PM
Anyone brave enough to try SP4 yet?

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RichardI
07-11-2003, 09:13 PM
stubby:-
If you have SP1 installed there's no need to do anything with the compatibility tab for WWII Fighters. It runs absolutely great on my P4 1.8 - 45 to 60 fps with everything maxed out.
BTW, Skycat may be right on the shooting soldiers. I cannot say that I have actually seen this, I'm just remembering it that way. They DO run like ants when you strafe a convoy or hit an airfield.
And, yes , I love the music too.
I sent away for the 'free' base mods add-on CD too. Lookin' forward to that. Apparently the main site is currently down, but they'll get it going again I'm sure (fingers crossed).
At any rate, the game is WELL worth playing, even with the odd flight models. Relative to each other, the planes perform as they should, and the AI is the best I've seen in any WWII air combat sim.
Watch out for the flak, though...

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